build my engine

[2loud2k2xd]

im letting the cat out of the bag. evan and jimmy, you know what im talking about. i needed some imput.

due to some recent events (and NO, i didnt blow up my motor), i might be building a motor. everything from the crankshaft, to the tb. im mainly leaning twords N/A and nitrous :D so, lets hear some of your ideas. ive got about 2000.00 at the moment. i will have everything blueprinted and balanced, better pistons, rods, sleeved cylinders, cams (if needed), p/p IM, p/p head, bbtb, basically the works. i will also need to figure out the trans as well. possibly beefing it up. that will come a bit later. fuel tuning will most likely be a smt6 or 7. or possibly an aftermarket ecu and a safcII (if its tested and it works). so lets hear it guys, what should i do. and i know it will be more than 2000.00 for the motor parts, thats what i have at the moment. i am willing to go as high as 4000.00. and i will try and build it myself at work (with help from some of the techs)

when you list the parts, if you can include websites where they can be purchaced so i can find them easily.

[KeWLKaT]

ok this is very important.


you HAVE to know if you will boost it or not, everything goes from there.

we have to know if we are going to go with higher or lower compression.

[2loud2k2xd]

ok, changed the first post felix. NITROUS baby :D

i dont want to sink 4000.00 for motor and another 3000.00 on boost. 7k and ill buy a 10 second car. and yes i can find a 10 sec for 7k. the car might not look good, but it'll run 10's.

back ot:

[Estopatitiana]

www.levelten.com for the tranny i emailed them about me boosting and having 250whp and they told me exactly what i needed and that it was good for 300whp!!! so email em..it was around 1500 bucks

[evan938]

i still think youre an idiot and should boost it. you can only get so far w/ nitrous.

[cclngthr]

Levelten is not exactly compatable with the auto in the Hyundai. It will work, but the clutchpacks they use do not last long with the way the transmission is designed to shift, plus it will cause codes if things are way off.

You can go with a high performance torque converter and it will work with the factory internals.

Dave, I would go with forged internals. That is what I'm doing on my spare motor.

[2loud2k2xd]

no, i do not like t/c or s/c. the cost factor playes a HUGE part in in.

back OT

ground and balanced crank, tigerlilly pistons, custom grind cams, titanium rods, valves cross-ground, all the goodies. ive found some things on-line, but im unnsure what are great products and what are ish.

[Cypher]

i say go for N/A power well that and the nitrous! you'll have a true sleeper. i don't know if this is something you might be interested in... go to www.importperformanceparts.net then go to hyundai and engine kits and see what you think.

i don't know much about the engine so i don't know if this stuffs helps at all but this is waht you can order

Complete Gasket Set
Cometic Head Gasket
ROSS/Wiseco Forged Performance Pistons
(82, 82.5, 83mm Bore) and
(8.5-1, 9.5-1, 10-1 comp ratio)
Performance Rings
Performance Wrist Pins
TOGA HP Main Bearings
TOGA HP Rod Bearings
Thrust Washers
Timing Belt
Expansion Plugs

for $939... i'm probably not helping but i'm trying :P

[labmixz]

If your going to build the engine correctly, it's still going to cost you...

Here's a list of my modifications to my beta II engine:

Wiseco Forged Low Comp Pistons (9:1)
Bored Out Block (.5 Overbore)
Polished Interal Block
RPW Cams
Pauter Connecting Rods
P&P Heads & Custom Valve Job
P&P / Gutted Intake Manifold
Knife Edged / Balanced / Oil Flow Holes made larger on the Crank Shaft
Spec Aluminium Lightweight Flywheel
Spec Stage 3 Clutch & PP
Tigerlilly BBTB

~

The car is currently in the shop being fitted for it's 3rd turbo setup... a T3/T4 .63ex .60comp turbo, greddy e-manage ultimate, 590cc Injectors, apexi a-vcr, and many other goodies... should be able to post dyno within the next two weeks...

[2loud2k2xd]

If your going to build the engine correctly, it's still going to cost you...

Here's a list of my modifications to my beta II engine:

Wiseco Forged Low Comp Pistons (9:1)
Bored Out Block (.5 Overbore)
Polished Interal Block
RPW Cams
Pauter Connecting Rods
P&P Heads & Custom Valve Job
P&P / Gutted Intake Manifold
Knife Edged / Balanced / Oil Flow Holes made larger on the Crank Shaft
Spec Aluminium Lightweight Flywheel
Spec Stage 3 Clutch & PP
Tigerlilly BBTB

~

The car is currently in the shop being fitted for it's 3rd turbo setup... a T3/T4 .63ex .60comp turbo, greddy e-manage ultimate, 590cc Injectors, apexi a-vcr, and many other goodies... should be able to post dyno within the next two weeks...

NICE :D
this is what im talking about. but i will keep compression at a normal to spray. who did the motor work? and pricing for the head and im work. thanks

[labmixz]

NICE :D
this is what im talking about. but i will keep compression at a normal to spray. who did the motor work? and pricing for the head and im work. thanks

I'll put a price tag on everything for ya:

Wiseco Forged Low Comp Pistons (9:1) - $500
Bored Out Block (.5 Overbore) - $50 (Dave Pletcher NHRA Racing)
Polished Interal Block - $70 (Dave Pletcher NHRA Racing)
RPW Cams - $800
Pauter Connecting Rods $800 (w/overnight shipping)
P&P Heads & Custom Valve Job - $350 (Dave Pletcher NHRA Racing)
P&P / Gutted Intake Manifold - around $250 (Accelerated Motorsports)
Knife Edged / Balanced / Oil Flow Holes made larger on the Crank Shaft - $200 (Dave Pletcher NHRA Racing)
Spec Aluminium Lightweight Flywheel - $500
Spec Stage 3 Clutch & PP - $410
Tigerlilly BBTB - $200

Thats a little over $4k in engine work

And btw, if your going N/A and want to stay N/A up the compression to a 13:1 ;) I've been thinking about building another engine just for N/A with a 13:1 compression...

Also that is JUST engine work, doesn't include the fuel system modifications needed to have some good power with the engine work...

You would still need to upgrade the injectors, have some sort of fuel controller, atleast upgrade to a 190lph pump, etc, etc...

[2loud2k2xd]

labminx, what are you doing about engine management? what are the plans for that. because i dont think the stock ecu will like the motor after its been built up.

and i will use spray. i kinda like it. ive been thru 6 bottles since i installed my zex kit a bit ago. love the stuff.

[labmixz]

labminx, what are you doing about engine management? what are the plans for that. because i dont think the stock ecu will like the motor after its been built up.

and i will use spray. i kinda like it. ive been thru 6 bottles since i installed my zex kit a bit ago. love the stuff.

Using a Greddy E-Manage Ultimate with two seperate program setups, one for track and street, one for track with a spray :) (hint hint)

[swifty]

If any 1 has part # for thoes products please post. also i saw this check it out
http://www.mmrusa.com/gudehead.htm
thanks

[labmixz]

If any 1 has part # for thoes products please post. also i saw this check it out
http://www.mmrusa.com/gudehead.htm
thanks


well, seeing how I was the person that bought the 1st production GUDE Turbo kit...

I'll be honest and say... GUDE products aren't worth shyt... and I wouldn't trust Bill Gude -- mainly because he's so old he barely remembers his own name...

[tharptroy]

especially since you're spraying, I'd look into piston dome coatings, and exhaust valve coatings.

[Cypher]

what needs to be done for the engine to safely handle 100+ shot of nitrous? new pistons, rings, rods???

[2loud2k2xd]

what needs to be done for the engine to safely handle 100+ shot of nitrous? new pistons, rings, rods???

jimmy, i plan on a 125 shot or better if all works out. the block will be done, pistons, rods, everything. ill throw a 100 shot in it now. i dont think anything bad will happen. remember a 100 shot will only make about 50whp and 70wtq...at least on my car based on my dyno pulls. now with the new header and 2.25" exhaust, it may go up by 3 or 4. but a 125 shot with a done up motor should produce maximum gains that my stock motor could not produce. air flow in, and air flow out= more h/p and tq.

[Cypher]

i figured you planned on a shot bigger than 100 thats why i asked... but what do you need the STRENGTHEN for the motor to handle more than 100? i know you're doing EVERYTHING but i'm asking for specifics :P

[labmixz]

tbh, you don't need much to have a stable high shot of nitrous... ;) Car just needs to be tuned correctly is the key...

[Cypher]

tbh? whats that?

[labmixz]

tbh? whats that?

To Be Honest - tbh ;)

[2loud2k2xd]

ok, here is what ive found so far.

cams from h/p
http://shop.hyundaiperformance.com/shop/item.php?i=HWA_CSB264PA
rods from h/p
http://shop.hyundaiperformance.com/shop/item.php?i=HWA_CRB0001
pistons from h/p
http://shop.hyundaiperformance.com/shop/item.php?i=HWA_PSB0004
the head work (p&p) will be done locally, or sent out to jpjr from egtclub.
intake manifold (p&p) will also be done locally or sent out.
bbtb from k-spec
http://kspec.com/list.php?ac_id=68&ai_id=671
larger injectors, fuel pressure regulator, pulleys, cam gears, msd ignition box
i will also be getting a trans kit, to help when its all said and done.

nothing is set in stone as of yet. i want to have all the money before i start ordering parts. i know i will also need a complete gasket kit, and some other things not mentioned.
but this is a start.

[evan938]

all this for a 125 shot? youre crazy. even if you go to a 200 shot, whats it gonna produce? maybe 220WHP? get a turbo @ 10PSI and youll hit those, and wont even have to build the engine. i think someone opened a can of weak sauce

[2loud2k2xd]

even if i boost the motor, i will need a new one. i have 68,000 on mine and i spray the F out of it. im not spending 3500.00 on a turbo to put it on the motor i have now. it will blow up after a couple 1000 miles. as i said above, this is just some stuff ive found. nothing has been purchaced yet. the block will also be done correctly, as will all the other major components. after all is done being built, i will throw on a 150 shot or more. depending on the whp of the motor. an aftermarket ecu combined with a safcII or a smt6/7 will also be added. you shall see.

on my earlier dyno runs, a 200 shot will make about 110whp and 130wtq. this is just a calculation, not actual figures

remember...anything is possible with the right ammount of money. :D

[labmixz]

*shameless plug*

I got 400cc injectors for sell if you need some injectors... From RE, only been on the car a total of about 1 hour -- I just needed larger injectors, using 590cc's now...

*shameless plug over*

[tricked03gls]

build the engine man dont just boost it and call it a day, do it because you want to be different, ya know **** id do it for a 125 shot i say youll push decent hp with a decent price tag.........but thats just me i say build and spray

[jrod13]

Building a motor for spray is retarded in my opinion. Build your motor put a decent turbo kit+spray, and now we are talking. Building a 4 cylinder N/A is not the smartest thing as far as cost goes. You will be lucky to hit 200 whp before spray. I would say 175 at the most. With spray maybe 300. Which if you did just boost you could be over 300. and if you throw in nitrous to the equation most likely you could hit 400+. Now doesn't that sound like more fun?

[trahma]

Well first off, 9:1 compression on a NA engine? Seriously, why LOWER your compression when boost isn't going to be applied.

Straight up, if you want power there is NO BETTER ADDER than forced induction. Short of nitrous (which will need to be filled PLENTY at a 125 shot) there's nothing that dollar for dollar can help you. Yes you need to build your bottom end but welcome to the world of paying to play.

68k and you're talking new engine? Come on now, I know the engine has to be good for that. Run a compression check, that is going to be light years ahead of your broad generalizations. I can't tell you how many times I hear about American engines being weak, yet I'm at 92k miles with boost and nitrous on stock internals. The last 42k have been in during the engines monster state. In the end, it all comes down to tuning.

If you're serious about going N/A and nitrous, you better start looking at 10.5:1 or higher. 4 cylinders simply can't put power down because they have smaller displacement. That's why you see less boosted factory V6's and V8's.

I could go on, but I'm sure I'm going to get 15 people replying to me telling me I'm wrong but don't know their head from their ***. In the end it's your money, but do your research. You'll always make more power adding forced induction on an NA 4 cylinder car compared to rebuilding the engine.

[KeWLKaT]

I actually agree with you this time. Good call.

[2loud2k2xd]

i never said im usind 9.1 compression pistons. and why would i want to spend money on a turbo (3500.00) and drop it in on the same motor that im killing with the spray. just to have it blow up on me in a few 1000 miles after the turbo install. and why would i buy a turbo, + build up a motor for about 6000.00+ when i can just buy a fast car for that much and have 10x the power of what i would get with a boosted gt.
screw it all, ill just make my gt my new winter beater and buy a project ride. ill get 15465431x more power from the get go.

[900Z1]

With the money your planning to spend, you could put a V6 and a 6 speed in it.
Plus it would be a one of a kind XD.

[yamaha]

Dave,

I say do what you want with it, I think building a N/A engine that can make 200whp is more then capable. But of course you will need to redo the whole engine, but you can do that for under 3,000 dollars I think. Stay on track and dont listen to what everyone else says in here. Goodluck with whatever you plan on doing.

[trahma]

i never said im usind 9.1 compression pistons. and why would i want to spend money on a turbo (3500.00) and drop it in on the same motor that im killing with the spray. just to have it blow up on me in a few 1000 miles after the turbo install. and why would i buy a turbo, + build up a motor for about 6000.00+ when i can just buy a fast car for that much and have 10x the power of what i would get with a boosted gt.
screw it all, ill just make my gt my new winter beater and buy a project ride. ill get 15465431x more power from the get go.

Nah I realize you didn't say you were using 9:1, I was referring to someone who earlier posted an engine build for you.

The question you just asked is the same one almost everyone that goes turbo considers. If you wanted to have a fast car, you shouldn't have bought an Elantra. There are plenty of options out there that are fast out of the box. DSM, Mustang, etc. If fast is what you're going for, you made the wrong choice with an NA 4 cylinder. Even if you had a Honda which are notorious for having cheap parts, you'd be looking at sleeving the engine and building internals to run big boost.

The best question to ask yourself is what do you want in a car and to go from there. If you want a car like what everyone else has, buy a car that has more cylinders or a hair dryer stock. If you want a car that nobody will guess has 200whp, an Elantra is an awesome choice. You're driving an economy car, not a sports car.

Before you start ordering parts, plan everything and get estimates to put it together from a machine shop. 200whp NA isn't happening for $3000, I guarantee that.

[labmixz]

Nah I realize you didn't say you were using 9:1, I was referring to someone who earlier posted an engine build for you.

The question you just asked is the same one almost everyone that goes turbo considers. If you wanted to have a fast car, you shouldn't have bought an Elantra. There are plenty of options out there that are fast out of the box. DSM, Mustang, etc. If fast is what you're going for, you made the wrong choice with an NA 4 cylinder. Even if you had a Honda which are notorious for having cheap parts, you'd be looking at sleeving the engine and building internals to run big boost.

The best question to ask yourself is what do you want in a car and to go from there. If you want a car like what everyone else has, buy a car that has more cylinders or a hair dryer stock. If you want a car that nobody will guess has 200whp, an Elantra is an awesome choice. You're driving an economy car, not a sports car.

Before you start ordering parts, plan everything and get estimates to put it together from a machine shop. 200whp NA isn't happening for $3000, I guarantee that.

I wasn't posting a engine build for HIM, though I was giving him an example of a built engine (my built engine) which has all of that done -- And my engine is built for F/I and does have a turbo setup ;)

[KeWLKaT]

Thing is... How would one build an engine that will use a big shot of juice once in a while, but stay resistant?

Compression should'nt be messed with IMO, except for mods that increase flow like cams an p/p, i think you would be OK with stronger rods. I am quite unfamiliar with nitrous setups, since I have never participated in the assembly of one/have had a car with a setup, but it seems like for that kind of "boost"ing, the compression shouldn't be messed with.

Oh, and for whoever said 200whp n/a on a beta2, LOL!!!!! That would take like 560,097,987$ to achieve that and put every imaginable piece that exists.

[Cypher]

i beg to differ felix. i'm tired of people saying it would take an insane amount of money to make that power. sure it will work out to more than a turbo but it can be done so stop laughing and saying it can't be done. theres a guy who made a 320whp honda prelude. they are 180stock... do the math 200hp from a beta2 is doable. heres what one of the guys i talked to on NT had to say:

"Talk to Larry at Endyn. He can work magic on a head for you. Tharptroy had work done with him, and I was going to have my engine built by him when I was going to go turbo. Trust me, if I had all the money in the world, I'd go with Larry. His work is brilliant and he probably has a good design already on file so he can put it right in the CNC machine.

He can make the Beta II produce 200hp with ease. He built an H22 Prelude engine with 320 whp or so. It has less than 180 whp stock. So, do the math."

[KeWLKaT]

Good to know!

I guess you learn something new every day... (notice how he didn't say the the 300whp wasn't N/A :abovelol: )

Thing is... Look. With almost all the bolt-ons, and p/p IM and TB, xd03gt produced under 140 hp.

I just find it hard to believe that with what's missing, some head work, cams, a bit of fuel tuning, high comp pistons, timing you would be able to add 60whp to our cars.

Then again, I am not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE, just that it hasen't been done and I would LOVE to see it get done.

But the thing is you can't have the 200whp n/a engine and juice it, IMO Nitrous+high comp applications dont mix.

[jrod13]

i beg to differ felix. i'm tired of people saying it would take an insane amount of money to make that power. sure it will work out to more than a turbo but it can be done so stop laughing and saying it can't be done. theres a guy who made a 320whp honda prelude. they are 180stock... do the math 200hp from a beta2 is doable. heres what one of the guys i talked to on NT had to say:

"Talk to Larry at Endyn. He can work magic on a head for you. Tharptroy had work done with him, and I was going to have my engine built by him when I was going to go turbo. Trust me, if I had all the money in the world, I'd go with Larry. His work is brilliant and he probably has a good design already on file so he can put it right in the CNC machine.

He can make the Beta II produce 200hp with ease. He built an H22 Prelude engine with 320 whp or so. It has less than 180 whp stock. So, do the
math."

I have a friend who has an H22 prelude with a bunch of bolt ons and a supercharger with tuning he hits 230 at the wheels. You would need a ridiculous amount of money to make 100 more at the wheels then that. And at that point you have to remember it is a Honda, and is it worth it? Probably not. Torque steer is going to own you. Not to mention most likely beefing up the tranny, and the axles. Now take into consideration that parts for the Elantra are much more scarce, and higher priced then anything for a Honda. You do the math.. 200 whp out of a N/A elantra is highly unlikely, and at that point you might as well just of dumped the money into a turbo kit, and still get more power out of it.

[Cypher]

stop saying its more feasible to do FI... it is more cost worthy but **** i would rather do a high hp N/A beta2 then FI... NO ONE has done a 200whp N/A elantra and i want to see it done so all of you that are saying it CAN'T be done can shut up... the point of this thread is not to say its pointless and stupid dave wants opinions to build his engine so stop saying its a stupid idea and N/A will always be more reliable then a FI setup. dave do this and show everyone you can do it i beg of you so people will stop saying it isn't possible!! nothing makes me angrier than to say something can't be done...

[pjc6281]

I'm with Cypher on this one. This is an elantra enthusiast site, correct. Then why is everyone bashing someones idea of building the most powerful na elantra that we would have a part of. I too would be interested to see someone go inside the beta2 for once and start swaping and building it up for na purposes. All we hear about is F/I and Alpine systems. Lets get some other project started that is different for a change. I feel like i'm on Nt.com with all the negative vibes going on around here. Someone has an idea or goal and everyone has to shoot em down so they can feel like they are hot ****. Well i support this project as we all should!

[evan938]

i dont doubt they could do some amazing work on a honda prelude/civic/integra. the difference between honda vs hyundai, is i can open ANY tuner magazine, and find almost ANY part made for a honda. they have more aftermarket support than any import in the world. hyundai is on the other side of that spectrum. there is very little, and to do custom work doesnt make it cost effective. why not do a custom turbo kit, buy pieces seperatly to save money, pistons/rods and some work on the crank, itll be a strong motor, for 2k in engine work, and will probably be good for 350whp, and that power is ALWAYS there. not gonna have any "oh, theres a ricer, **** im out of NOS!!?>@@!##R%@" its ALWAYS there

[KeWLKaT]

GUYS!!!

Cypher and pjc... THINK......

He CANNOT build the 200 whp N/A elantra. WHY? Because he uses nitrous.

Because he uses nitrous he cannot just raise the compression as high as it's needed for the best results N/A....

Because he uses BIG shots of nitrous, the compression, the fuel management and the timing will be different.

So yeah. Here's the deal.

It IS POSSIBLE to build a FRIGGIN POWERFUL ELANTRA IN N/A.

BUT Dave can't do that because he would have to give up on the nitrous.

So STOP TALKING ABOUT A 200 whp N/A elantra, because EVEN if it is possible (which I doubt... maybe 20 ponies less max), it is not dave's case, he isn't going that route....

I'm with Cypher on this one. This is an elantra enthusiast site, correct. Then why is everyone bashing someones idea of building the most powerful na elantra that we would have a part of. I too would be interested to see someone go inside the beta2 for once and start swaping and building it up for na purposes. All we hear about is F/I and Alpine systems. Lets get some other project started that is different for a change. I feel like i'm on Nt.com with all the negative vibes going on around here. Someone has an idea or goal and everyone has to shoot em down so they can feel like they are hot ****. Well i support this project as we all should!
I am not bashing, for one. I just think that 200 whp is RIDICULOUS to aim at, that is what a 8-10 psi (depending on weather/tuning) FI setup gives you at the wheels on an elantra.

There is NO way the same amount of air will be able to get rushed into the engine by vacuum....

Max with all bolt-ons is 135whp

Max for any N/A... OK if people were sayin 165-170 whp. But 200whp is just ridiculous. I mean you people put so much emphasys on p/p the head... dmdicks runs 15 psi turbo and his p/p yielded 40 hp.... imagine for a crappy n/a engine..

[elantra_mn]

I'm just kinda spitballing here,.... but i'd like to see a 500hp elantra,.. it's been done with everything else including a scion tc already ,.. y not an elantra?

[trahma]

Actually that's a bit inaccurate. A friend of mine runs 10.5:1 compression and sprays a 150 shot into his cavalier and it works quite nicely.

The big thing nitrous does is make your engine rev faster (more oxygen) but as a biproduct creates large amounts of heat. If your pistons, rings, etc can handle the added heat, you're going to be fine. There's a guy with a Focus that is NA running 12:1 compression and sprays a 150 shot. He also needs to run race fuel in the car to keep his compression that high without detonating.

I'd love to see a 200whp Elantra personally. I'll tell you right now it's not happening for $4,000 though. Take the Focus for example, it has a huge aftermarket, and engine internals are MUCH cheaper than Hyundai internals. I can also count the number of N/A Foci that are over 200whp on one hand. It's expensive and not cost effective to build N/A beyond basic bolt ons.

[05xd]

Actually that's a bit inaccurate. A friend of mine runs 10.5:1 compression and sprays a 150 shot into his cavalier and it works quite nicely.

The big thing nitrous does is make your engine rev faster (more oxygen) but as a biproduct creates large amounts of heat. If your pistons, rings, etc can handle the added heat, you're going to be fine. There's a guy with a Focus that is NA running 12:1 compression and sprays a 150 shot. He also needs to run race fuel in the car to keep his compression that high without detonating.

I'd love to see a 200whp Elantra personally. I'll tell you right now it's not happening for $4,000 though. Take the Focus for example, it has a huge aftermarket, and engine internals are MUCH cheaper than Hyundai internals. I can also count the number of N/A Foci that are over 200whp on one hand. It's expensive and not cost effective to build N/A beyond basic bolt ons.


Theres no way that a engine could be spraying and still considered N/A as in your story about the focus guy you stated

[trahma]

Nitrous isn't boost, it's an additive so yes, it's still NA. The intake manifold sees zero positive pressure from nitrous.

[05xd]

Well I dont consider power adders like that to be N/A,thats just my opinion

[trahma]

well if it's not NA and its not FI what is it?

[05xd]

well if it's not NA and its not FI what is it?

Then it's NOT a big deal!I was just stating what I thought about the subject.

[pjc6281]

So with that all said, lets welcome this project!

[2loud2k2xd]

i would say that a p&p head with a 150 shot would yeild about the same as dmdicks with his turbo set-up, imo.

another question was why would i dump 4000.00 worth of motor work in a hyundai. well ive dumped about 11k into it already. amd i have no more plans to sell it, so why not.

reguardless on weather or not i go turbo, sc, or nitrous, i still NEED to rebuild/build up the motor. ive put 6 bottles thru this one and i want a fresh motor for the next phase of the car.

[05xd]

I would go for it.

You never heard anything else from the guy that was going to buy the car? That sucks for him.Pretty cool that you decided to keep the xd

[Estopatitiana]

lets say you go to a car show..there are 2 hyundais... one is the usual boring boosted setup with a lame body kit and some boring system, that everyone knows produces around 180-220 whp, people are like yeah thats cool, but boring... then you see the one next to it that is something totally different, and you have your dyno sheets out and its says something like 200whp or whatever and some tuner prettyboy asks "so how much boost you got on that hyundai?" and your like none.., and hes like wtf mate?and then he calls all of his buddies over to see the amount of work done to it with a 125 shot and a built motor, and they all cum thier pants because they've never seen it done before.....then 50 years down the road tuner prettyboy and his cronies are talking to thier grandkinds and sayin..you guys rember that hyundai with 200whp..and theyre like the one with a turbo??and hes like **** no! the one wiht the built motor and nos..and theyre like oh yeah that thing was a work of art..im with cypher on this too i despise it when people say **** cant be done, if people like that ran the world we would still be roaming in africa in loincloths running from lions..

[slow 2K2GT]

200whp isnt a huge number now in the world. I made 226whp in my 90 jetta with the same mods I have on my elantra now...so to strive for 200whp, sorry all that money for a very low number. Yes the elantra is a sexy car, I love mine and its fun to drive and handle with, but thats about it. I am not bashing Hyundai here, if you are looking for a good motor build, get a honda with a B16 or B18 engine, they make awesome NA power and I have seen em make over 500hp boosted.

[Cypher]

dave said he wants 200hp before the nos at least the last time i talked to him thats what i thought he was aiming for in any case it isn't impossible to do 200whp N/A its just not likely someone will do it... dave i say do it and shut all the naysayers up even over 200whp on just spray is pretty damned good and better than most of us!

[2loud2k2xd]

jimmy, if you can get me the parts i said in the other post (head and intake manifold), ill port match the head (my old head) on the intake and exhaust side for free. and ill port the intake manifold(my old intake manifold) as well. i just need spare parts for now with out too much out of pocket. this will get me started quicker. let me know jimmy. as far as everything else goes. i will pretty much build this at work. i talked to a couple tech's there and they offered to help a little.

[KeWLKaT]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

When I refer to N/A I meant no Nitrous, SORRY GUYS, I guess we have different definitions :D

Ok then now I suddenly understand your train of thoughts :P

Trahma, good to know! In my mind nitrous and high comp dont mix because of pinging... But yeah race gas.... who would pay for 120 octane everyday :D LOL

[swifty]

how is the part search going? find anything new?keep us posted

[2loud2k2xd]

not yet. my winter car took a **** on me. blown head gasket. so i sold it for 500.00, and im searching for the next salt ride at the moment. i cant even drive my xd in the winter if i wanted to. too low and deffinately not the right tires for it.

i will most likely pick up a donor engine at the scrap yard and start tearing that down and getting stuff done bit by bit. im hoping to have it all done, installed, and dyno'd before the big ohio meet next spring/summer.
i might even think about picking up another trans while im at it.

[05XDGLS]

I think 200whp is doable N/A, all it needs is higher revs. THe only problem with getting more revs out of an elantra is that i don't knwo if reving that high would cause the piston speeds to be to high. And you would need huge cams, good tuning and probably a standalone or your car isn't going to idle. But it is i beleiev doable, if i knew what the max piston speed for the elantra is.