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Fudbalplaya87

11-11-2005, 01:00 PM

Just out of curiosity, what was the maximum amount of horsepower achieved by anyone with a N/A manuel Elantra, and if anyone can predict the maximum to be achieved if all mods are done including complete exhaust, pulleys, injectors, remapped ecu,etc., etc..

2loud2k2xd

11-11-2005, 03:42 PM

well, i dyno'd my xd about a month ago. mods i have are stock exh manifold with a 3" weapon R sri, a 2.5" straight pipe to a racing muffler (2nd cat and resonator removed), tb coolant bypass, ngk 1* colder plugs, ngk 8.5mm wires. i dyno'd at 120whp N/A and 118wtq N/A. i have 18's and auto also.

im in the process of building up a motor from the block/crank up (pistons, pulleys, cams, all the bells and whistles. and im hoping for about a 200whp N/Aout of it. it will most likely be around 180whp tho. then spray the ish out of it with a 150+shot of nitrous.
scott/oiml8 on egtclub is putting down 136whp w/ p&p intake manifold, knife edged tb, header, full exhaust, pulleys and running on 16's.

i think fordfastrr was up around 138whp N/A..maby more, i dont remember.

FordFasteRR

11-11-2005, 03:44 PM

this is the best i've done NA and I don't have all of the mods out there... mostly little things here and there... Check out the dyno thread to see more info..

My best 1/4 mile was 15.5 ... and I could do better with more practice but the track is far as hell from my house so I don't go often.

http://www.nitrousworld.com/images/2005_Jan_18_dyno_1.jpg

pjc6281

11-11-2005, 04:11 PM

I thought someone pulley a 139 on a dyno on this site. I could be mistaken...

evan938

11-11-2005, 04:37 PM

dave, im sorry, but i dont think youre going to be hitting 180hp n/a w/ anything you do. the highest HP n/a tib that dyno'd @ s3 was bob (used to have the turbo tib, has a v6 now) and he dyno'd @ 180whp n/a. you wont hit 180

only1db

11-11-2005, 04:52 PM

you can hit 200 easily...pump up comression...new top end and raise the red line! and then do everyting else under the sun....you can do it!! *no Gazelle jokes) LOL

pjc6281

11-11-2005, 04:52 PM

Dont wanna sound like a dick but why can a n/a 4cly tib hit 180 and not a XD...?

FordFasteRR

11-11-2005, 05:00 PM

ahh.. 180 hp .. :(

damn rsx-s makes 210 bhp stock ... with a 2 liter engine...

sheesh...

It seems like we have to spend about $ 4000 just to catch up... if you are lucky the motor will barely idle and suck up TONS of gas and run really peeky and ****ty... ouch.

Cypher

11-11-2005, 05:01 PM

yes evan why can't it be done? 139 was a 2.0 tib that i posted because i found it on NT.com. he had exhaust, intake, underdrive pulley and lightweight flywheel. i personally wanna see at LEAST 150whp and i don't think it'd be that hard to tell you the truth to do it... i have headers on him but lacking the underdrive pulley, then cam sprocket (ok not hp gain but gives torque), maybe play with intake cam sprocket. ford has shown his IM gives 5whp i believe... it CAN be done... don't forget SAFC for fuel tuning

180whp as opposed to 210 at the crank... one of the guys on NT that i talked to with cams on his 2.0 said the idle isn't bad at all and his mileage hasn't dropped that much

evan938

11-11-2005, 05:40 PM

the highest HP n/a tib that dyno'd @ s3 was bob (...has a v6 now)

PLEASE READ

i never said that the 180 was in an i4, i said it was in a v6. lets do this. lets wait until he drops 3-5k into his engine "building" it, and hits about 150, maybe 160hp, then realizes how much of a waste of money it was, and could have put in a nice turbo or SC and be @ about 230WHP.

pjc6281

11-11-2005, 05:46 PM

Thats still not even the highest n/a v6 tib... highest one is at 200 if not a bit over that mark n/a... sorry but ur message made it sound like you were talking about a 4cyl tib considering that is the only engine option in the XD ;)

evan938

11-11-2005, 05:51 PM

ok. again, you arent reading. what i said was "the highest n/a tib AT S3" which was a huge meet of about 30-40 tiburons in ohio this past summer. the point im trying to get across is that out of 40 tibs there, the highest n/a is a 6 cyl, and only hit 180. and he plans on that out of a 2.0 i4? thats gonna be a very hard number to hit, and that money will be spent much better towards a form of FI

Estopatitiana

11-11-2005, 07:43 PM

wow hyundais v-6 sucks some major n*tts, with a bunch of mods all he got out of it was 180?? my moms sebring is bone 2.7 stock, 200whp

only1db

11-11-2005, 11:39 PM

that does suck...

look at the 3.5...barely 200...nissan 3.5...almost 300...WTF?

robs02elantra

11-11-2005, 11:40 PM

so what is hyundai not doing right then? what makes the other engines of the same capacity so much higher in hp? (sorry if that's a stupid question!)

2loud2k2xd

11-11-2005, 11:43 PM

poor flowing heads, and economy tuning for better fuel mileage. imo.

only1db

11-11-2005, 11:43 PM

well...too much fuel is a problem...

poor exhaust design

anybody have any thoughts?

evan938

11-12-2005, 12:09 AM

its a hyundai? id say thats the problem. its not a car built for power one bit. hell. the v6 tib is putting down about 150-155hp to the wheels stock. in a v6

robs02elantra

11-12-2005, 01:04 AM

I'm only asking about...

If other car companies are pushing larger hp through the same sized engines, then what would we have to change about ours (n/a) in order to get the same power out of them? What specifically is different, pistons, displacement??? does anyone actually have a real answer as to what differs from a 2L I4 in a hyundai and in something else that is apparently getting more hp. I may have oversimplified my question, but there has to be some sort of an answer out there somewhere?!

evan938

11-12-2005, 01:07 AM

simply put - better engine design

Cypher

11-12-2005, 01:21 AM

i swear i will make 150whp... i think i can easily do it... cams + tuning!!!! damn i'm drunk... i think i can do better than 150whp easy

evan938

11-12-2005, 01:29 AM

by the time you buy cams, shims, something to tune the cams, get head work done, youre looking @ probably close to 2k$. why not save a little more, buy a basic intercooled alpine turbo kit (which if i recall correctly, comes w/ a warranty if a pro installs...) and have way more hp. i realize you guys all want to get a "high" horsepower number N/A hyundai, but seriously...give me the budget youre on, or what dave plans to spend (on everything) and i garuntee you i will beat you in HP and in a 1/4 mile race

Cypher

11-12-2005, 01:49 AM

yes but come on evan!!! you know it'd bebad *** to have a nice whp elantra!!! i want to show everyone what no one has seen... i think i cna hit 150whp rather easily... then i want to turbo1!! that is my OEGINAL PLAN

robs02elantra

11-12-2005, 01:52 AM

I had an OEGINAL plan once as well. That didn't work out so well.

Cypher

11-12-2005, 01:52 AM

I WILL PROVE YOU WRONG ONE DAY!!! I KNOW I CAN DO AT LEAST 150WHP... **** its friday... omg... i'm so drunk lol evan you're a really cool guy and i udnerstand wher you're coming from.... its more cost effiece to spend that money on a tubro but 150whp N/A is sometnhing to be proud of in my opinon!!!!

jyfgt

11-12-2005, 01:52 AM

sure we all may have variable timing but that may have something to do with it tooo. and their variable lift ystems too. i bet that has to do with the power differences too. and the 3.5 in the altima is 260. not that close to 300.

Fudbalplaya87

11-12-2005, 02:37 AM

COmparing the Honda S2000 engine (highest N/A horsepower output in inline 4 2.0, I think) to the elantra engine, the S2000 has a bore of 87 mm and stroke of 84 mm and 11 compression ratio, not to mention the 9000 rpm redline. The elantra has a bore of 82 mm, 93.5 mm stroke, a 10.3 compression ratio, and 6500 redline. Adding to the bigger bore, shorter stroke, and a more performance oriented ecu, the engine is obviously built to be more efficient (dont know how)and a few more differences. So just copy the S2000 engine exactly and you will get 250 hp with 153 ft lb of torque. :D
Anyway the S2000 proves that the I4 is capable of achieving high Hp, we just have to figure out the S2000 secret!!

Cypher

11-12-2005, 01:27 PM

notice how all those posts i mentioned i was drunk... wow... but yeah see it can be done on our cars and its just hyundai built the engine for economy and to last not for power... a more agressive ecu, cams, all that can be done and it'll produce more power and still cost less than something like an s2000. and you'll have something to be proud of

robs02elantra

11-12-2005, 01:46 PM

I'm still finding my sea legs when it comes to engines and how to change them and improve on them. With bore and stroke, and the other things that you mentioned, what is the possability of changing around the beta2 to be like the s2000 engine?

yamaha

11-12-2005, 01:46 PM

evan938

11-12-2005, 01:50 PM

youre going to produce more HP than an s2000 (210-240 from a quick yahoo search)? right. is it going to look as cool as an s2000? is it going to be RWD? no. thats why the s2000 cost more. im just gonna stop talking about this. anyone who thinks that trying to get high hp numbers n/a in an elantra or 4cyl tiburon is crazy. even if you were granted a miracle, hit 200, thats still not a lot of HP. if you want to tune something n/a, go out and buy an old fox body mustang. otherwise, FI is the only way youre going to get good numbers out of your hyundai

im done

sean - its "mugEn"

Cypher

11-12-2005, 07:47 PM

you're right evan... i agree... today i spent the day test driving cars... 5 hours of it lol F/I is the way to go. as unique as it would be to have a high horsepower N/A elantra its pointless

only1db

11-12-2005, 08:03 PM

g35doc

11-12-2005, 10:45 PM

dude...infinity G35 sedan...297hp....3.5=almost 300hp

298 actually. 350z has 300hp though.
IS350 has 306 but it's got much higher compression w/ the direct injection.

Estopatitiana

11-12-2005, 11:32 PM

Their a Honda engine, enough said. Dont get me wrong, I love the Elantra, but Honda has some of the best engines that respond well to N/A Modifications. A Mugan 3 inch cat back on my friends 99 Integra yielded a 25whp increase in power, thats just nuts. And yes, I have the dyno's to prove it.

yeah, the japanese are very good at taking american inventions and fixing all of the problems and fine tuning it for everything great..like the vcr, originally it was a huge box almost the size of a 19 inch tv..the japanese refined it to its compact design..in the 60's and 70's there were massive gas guzzling american cars..then came the fuel efficient clean hondas..my history isnt 100% so dont take all that literally but you get the idea..look at thier robotics these days..and how all the gaming consoles come out there first...even though i despise hondas they are some well put together cars (mechanically)

korai9989

11-12-2005, 11:33 PM

I almost bought a '04 Mazda 6, it was a stock 5-speed with a 3.0L V6. It has 220HP stock. It still gets 29 MPG. I know different designs of engines has alot to do with horsepower. Very compact engines typically push less HP, and when I look under my hood, it is a pretty damn clean, presentable looking engine, mainly because it's so compact. Under the hood of the 6, it was very presentable, a beautiful, clean engine, and it was all over the place, side to side, that compartment was full.

Also, my first car was a 1989 BMW 325 4-door automatic sedan with an I-6, maybe 3.0L, can't remember. It only had 118 horsepower stock, but it would kick the Elantra's 145 stock's ***. I had the quarter in barely over 14, and 0-60 was somewhere between 4 and 5. The fastest I ever took it was about 128, 129. Still to this day I never understood how that car did any of that, STOCK!

One more thing, my friend has a 1995 Dodge Neon Sport with a 5-speed engine and a 2.0L stock setup. I don't know how fast he's capable of going, but it accelerated as fast as my 325, and we have NO idea why on a stock setup. His tires always screech shifting to second, and is capable of 120 in third gear. I don't think he's ever pushed it past that point. If anybody can tell me why these cars, with about 20+ HP LESS than my Elantra, can totally put my elantra to shame, please do!!

BTW, my 325 got about 30 miles per gallon.

mtlelantra

11-12-2005, 11:44 PM

Also, my first car was a 1989 BMW 325 4-door automatic sedan with an I-6, maybe 3.0L, can't remember. It only had 118 horsepower stock, but it would kick the Elantra's 145 stock's ***. I had the quarter in barely over 14, and 0-60 was somewhere between 4 and 5. The fastest I ever took it was about 128, 129. Still to this day I never understood how that car did any of that, STOCK!
I can believe the top speed, not so much the 1/4 times, considering confirmed 1/4 times posted at http://www.ssmoparmuscle.com/speedcomp.htm show 3-series from 80s up to 2004 running mid-15's to 18s. Only a few late model 3-series clocked in the 14s.
BTW, 325 = 3 and 25 = 3 series + 2.5 L displacement.
Furthermore, 1989 spec 325i = 2.5L 6 Cylinder 168 hp. Dunno where you got your 118 from...

only1db

11-12-2005, 11:54 PM

just a small threadjack,
325 = 3 and 25 = 3 series + 2.5 L displacement

thank you....and i raced an 90 325 IX 5speed and owned it...so i dont know what your talking about....

my friends 89 325 IS was the first car i power slide :drive: :bowdown:

korai9989

11-13-2005, 12:19 AM

well, my car's quarter was between 14 and 15, so not far off, but it's acceleration was something else. I didn't think of it at the time, being the first car i ever drove, but after driving several others, i'm stumped

the quarter was an unofficial reading, but the 0-60 was official, something was really wrong (RIGHT!!!) with that car, haha. too bad i wrecked it, huh?

only1db

11-13-2005, 12:27 AM

hey so did my friend...he rolled it with himself, me and another friend in the car...this was in 97...the abs was jacked and he did not now how to control the slide...he sucks at driving!

any back on topic!!

just go turbo!!!

robs02elantra

11-13-2005, 12:44 AM

Ok, seriously...I will contemplate a turbo when I get a second car for my wife, but until then it's strictly N/A. So, being that this is in the N/A category of the site, can we keep the "just go turbo" comments to ourselves and really find answers to why the engines are so much better from Honda, Infiniti and BMW, and how we could possibly try and find a way to bring our engines onto more of a level playing field.

korai9989

11-13-2005, 01:03 AM

I'm unfamiliar with the N/A system, how does it work?

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 01:08 AM

what about borring everything out getting the cams redone, the intake mani and tb ported. get a 4 angle valve job, 2 1/2" exhaust, lightwieght flywheel, act stage 3 clutch, lightwhieght pullys, a sri or cai, short shifter, high comp forged pistons, new crankshaft,rods,valves, how much power do you think can be pushed out with that. looking at that, thats only like 5-6 grand, that would be done over a long period of time of course, well most of it. all the internals adn stuff would be done when i got it bored out.

BlackElantraGT

11-13-2005, 01:10 AM

I'm with Evan on this one, most of you guys have unrealistic expectations if you're planning on going N/A. F/I is the only way to go if you want a fast car within a reasonable budget. You can put all the money you want into the Beta II engine, and I can guarantee you that its performance will never reach that of the S2000 N/A. You can't compare our Hyundai to a Honda. When a company like Honda dedicates so much money to motorsports and r&d, they're able to use some of that racing technology in their everyday car. The S2000 engine has the highest HP/displacement ratio of any engine being built today for consumer use. Not even Ferrari can make that claim to fame.

I find it funny that most of us can't even afford to turbo our cars, and yet there are still some of us who actually think that they can afford to build an N/A engine and come close to what Honda's doing. Dream on, my friend.

Even if you had the $$$ to do this and wanted to compete seriously in the all-motor class, most would think you were an idiot to start off with a beta II motor, on top of that the Elantra's not the lightest car around, so you would still lose.

korai9989

11-13-2005, 01:18 AM

my thoughts exactly BlackElantraGT.

when you build an N/A setup and aren't satisfied, you can't just go to turbo.

PSUsouthpaw

11-13-2005, 01:54 AM

I have to agree and disagree.

Yes, building an N/A engine to the maximum potential will take lots of time and likely lots of Cash.

I think one reason any Hyundai owner wants to build a really powerful N/A Hyundai motor is because it is uncommon. You don't see it around. Most people look and think Hyundai=Weak. Stock, they are, especially compared to most other "Sporty" vehicles. They are built for economy and reliability. Making it fast with no turbo/Sc would be a feat.

Figuring out how we can do this is the inherent problem.

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 02:00 AM

well theres always the option of a engine swap. even tho it cossts a few grand but if you were to find like a K20 or H22 honda engine you would be set for life, but i just het to get that inot this thread..............please dont yell at me............

evan938

11-13-2005, 02:00 AM

but, "really powerfull", "n/a" and "hyundai" NEVER go in the same sentence. just like the old turbo saying of "powerful" "reliable" and "cheap", pick 2.

really powerfull / naturally aspirated / hyundai. pick 2 :)

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 02:06 AM

just look at what i posted above you could get a "semi" powerful NA beta II out of that. if you give me about 5 or 6 years i could make a damn powerful engine. i could probobly make a 10-11 second car if i lightend it up enough. just wait if your still on this site in the next 5-6 years my GLS will be a monster.

evan938

11-13-2005, 02:19 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. your elantra will NEVER be an 11 second car. ever. period. theres a guy in town who has a formula firebird hes been working w/ for a few years now, at 12-14psi (s/ced) on DR, hes pushing almost 700WHP and barely broke into the 10s...like a 10.95 or something

the fastest tiburon (on newtiburon.com) is running low 13s. thats a stage 3 S/Ced v6

you seriously think you can build your hyundai engine into an 11 second car? ill make you a deal. you make an 11 second n/a elantra, you can have whatever car i own at the time

DAMN IM GOOD. i knew i could find it...heres what you need to read, mr "weight reduction"

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=776885

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 02:23 AM

deal. cause me and my dad built an 11 second ford tempo. ill post pics when i find them and scan them. ill write myself a note and ill post the dynos, it tooks 7 years my dad of course did most of the work i wasnt old enough to do alot of the work. we striped the car down made everything out of fiberglass/carbon fiber, bored the engine out like there was no tomorrow, too much crap to name. but it was N/A then we threw a turbo on and and acedentaly had the boost up way to high and the first day at the track the engine blew.

BlackElantraGT

11-13-2005, 03:12 AM

some how, i find something about that statement hard to believe...

is it just me, or do these things not add up?

ford tempo
7 years in the making
tempo consisting of mainly fiberglass/carbon fiber
bored engine like no tomorrow
at first n/a, then threw a turbo in with too high of boost
blew engine first day at track

All that = 11 seconds

You would think someone who has the mechanical know how of turning a tempo into an 11 second beast would also take the time into making sure he had his boost set correctly or at least gradually increasing boost.

sorry, but I don't buy your story

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 03:21 AM

no we did gradualy increase the boost but we pushed it to hard. we had it up way too high and blew the engine. the head gasket blew and coolent got in one of the cylenders and cracked the blockwe knew what we were doing but i guess our cheap $20 boost gauge was off it was reading 9psi either that was too much without an intercooler or the gauge was off and we were boosting more than that. blew it in 04 then bought my honda prelude as a work car. then the carbs craped out on me and rebuilt then then they craped out again so i bought the elantra. we had the turbo in the tempo for about a month or 2 befor we blew the engine the track was about 5-6 hours away. and you have to remember with it being bored out so much and we werent useing a copper gasket like we should have been. but we got about 3 or 4 runs in befor it blew. still have the turbo sitting in the garage too. most of you probobly wont believe this but when i get my pics up you will change your mind.

o yea and it had high comp pistons something that is not a the best of ideas with a turboed car. but i think the fastes run we got that day was around 10.5ish ill have to ask my dad tomorrow when we wakes up.

korai9989

11-13-2005, 03:22 AM

i don't really see a tempo as an 11 second car either. with what it would probably cost to do so, you could buy a 800TT Hennessey Venom, then you could kill e'erbody, haha

if it was an 11 second car, then that was quite a bundle of money, considering i don't see an 11 second engine fitting in a tempo, to reduce the weight enough, your engine would have to be an aluminum block and the whole 9, no seats, no glass, etc etc, haha. ps, you can't have an 11 second aluminum block.

im not saying it isn't possible, i'm typing it :)

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 03:34 AM

iron block, plexiglass(i think) windows. 1 light wieght seat, no dash only stearing wheel and pedals, light wieght wheels, 14's or 15's i think. all the back windows exept the rear one where just CF had a fuel cell took out the gas tank, like i said il get a full list of everything tomorrow ill have to ask my dad it was really his baby he put a **** load of his money it in. it was his gift to himself when he made master sergent. he dumped so much money into it. he was beyond pissed when we blew the engine.but ok im done talkin about the trmpo for the time being my brain hurts and im drunk not a good combo. we will pick up on this tomorrow.

CTele02

11-13-2005, 03:40 AM

Lol i just saw the chopped up 14sec Sentra... and i just have to say.... woah!.... im sure it was really safe going that fast on donuts... and no protection for when the wind just blows that thing over... but at least its more fuel efficient than ever!

Estopatitiana

11-13-2005, 05:41 AM

well i was with most of you guys saying there will never be an 11 second elantra..and that it will never put up fights against any v-8...but i watched some videos on streetfire and an srt 4 with who knows what mods was beaten by less than half a car length by a sprayed 04 gto....and i was like wtf mate?? that gto is supposed to be kicking the **** out of that 4 bangin srt4.. hell ill make an 11 second elantra..twin turbo with a blower and a powerdyn supercharger..AND 150 shot of nos that would be like 60 psi!!!!hell yeeeeeeaaaah!!!! that would be like a 5 second car... 30 grand later!!

yamaha

11-13-2005, 07:57 AM

621whp RDTiburon (http://www.rdtiburon.com/index.php?showtopic=11479)

This should somewhat solve the question of a fast Hyundai, RD Tiburon throwing down 621 whp. No, your never going to see a 11 second N/A Hyundai, ever, but this Tiburon could get up there.

robs02elantra

11-13-2005, 03:46 PM

(Please read this knowing that I'm a gentle person...I'm definately not mad at all).

For everyone who likes the S2000 engine that much more, have fun with this link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-S2000-2002-2003-Engine-with-transmission_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33615QQite mZ8014041730QQrdZ1

And again, I have no troubles with people who prefer FI to N/A on the Beta. I think that it's a much wiser investment of money and gives the most hp/$ out there. The problem again is that this is an N/A thread where we would like to discuss how we can make the beta engine better through other means than forced induction. When I said earlier that I would do as much as I can N/A and then go turbo later when I get my wife a second car, I didn't mean that I would just throw a turbo on and go for gold. I do know that the mods that are done for N/A will not necessarily be beneficial for Turbo (or even work at all with it), but with a betaII on ebay for 300-600 dollars with low low kms on it, well why can't you just imagine that I will get one of those and start working on it seperately, like others on this site have done.

Anyway, time to get back on topic. Through the FI comments that have been made, there have also been some halfway good comments about how to improve upon our engine N/A. Lets keep these ideas flowing, and maybe some of us will be willing to give them a go to see what we can yeild.

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 03:52 PM

ok i was talking with my dad and i got the times wrong it was a 13 second car befor the turbo. it ran an 11 at the track the day we blew it. later today my dad said he'll get me the pictures and dyno sheets. sorry i got that wrong up there.

robs02elantra

11-13-2005, 03:54 PM

Well, I'd be happy with a 13 second N/A Elantra (yes I know everybody...not possible).

05xd

11-13-2005, 04:48 PM

Hell, i'd be happy with a 14 sec n/a xd.
There has to be a way to get to 200whp without goin f/i.I know it's goin to take a lotta dough to do it

2loud2k2xd

11-13-2005, 04:57 PM

this is how. buy a donor motor. tear it down. have the block bored out, sleeve the cylinders, drop in oversized forged pistons. balance the crank. have the head ported/polished, extrude honed, and a 5 angle valve grind done. put new cams in. port/polish the intake manifold. grab a bbtb. a set of underdrive pulleys, headers w/ full 2.25" straight exhaust. and a cai. a new ecu. plugs/wires.

all what i WAS gonna do. about 4500.00+ to accomplish

05xd

11-13-2005, 05:03 PM

:eek: :eek2: Ooo k.Maybe I will eye up a turbo set-up for that price.*sniffle

BlackElantraGT

11-13-2005, 06:13 PM

I don't think a budget of $4,500 will get you very far N/A.

Even if you had the mechanical know-how of doing all the work yourself, unless you owned a machine shop with all the necessary equipment, there's no way you're gonna get 200 whp N/A with that budget.

There's a guy I used to work with at work who was involved in drag racing, and the amount of work put into the engine of his Mustang cost more than the price of an S2000 alone.

It's hard not to be a pessimist when the majority of the people on here are either broke or cheapskates, myself included, and we're sitting here talking about extrude honing, over boring, porting and polishing, etc etc as if we were playing Gran Turismo. Get real people! We all bought Hyundai for a reason. Most of us couldn't even afford a Tiburon to start with.

I could start a thread about how I'm gonna hook up with Elizabeth Cuthbert and bang her, and it would be just about as useless as this. It's nice to dream every now and then, but at some point you have to get real.

And for those that think they would earn respect by having a fast N/A Hyundai... if that's truly what you want from other "racers", do you really think they would care if your car was N/A or F/I? They would be like.."wow, I just got beat by a Hyundai." A fast car will get you respect, but an even faster car will earn you more respect.

evan938

11-13-2005, 07:00 PM

you mean elisha cuthbert (girl next door)?

she is probably on my top 3 hottest females ive seen

Cypher

11-13-2005, 07:40 PM

lol yes she is evan but stay on topic

evan938

11-13-2005, 07:43 PM

Cypher

11-13-2005, 07:45 PM

all what i WAS gonna do. about 4500.00+ to accomplish

do you not plan to anymore?

2loud2k2xd

11-13-2005, 07:45 PM

youre implying that this thread has been on topic. lets go back to the original question...something along the lines of

"what is the maximum amount of HP achieved from an elantra". which would be 135-140. this thread got so twisted into "this can/cant be done w/ this this and this". it wasnt "how much do you think" its "how much has been done"

the starter of this thread asked those questions a few posts after the origional post. so it is on topic. he asked how you could possibly get 200hp out of a betaII. i told him and gave a guess on the cost.

OT:
jimmy...nope. im done modding the xd. ive dumped way too much into it. now, it will be my auto-x car and everyday/winter car. and after the winter, if i want to start another project, it will be on a....well, i havent thought about it yet. i had a 84 camaro that i loved. maby ill find something like that again.

back on topic :D

evan938

11-13-2005, 07:48 PM

do you not plan to anymore?

dave finally realized how financially un-feasable it is

Cypher

11-13-2005, 08:06 PM

yeah... i am realizing that now too i guess

Estopatitiana

11-13-2005, 10:00 PM

thats a good slipknot song you have for your signature cypher

korai9989

11-13-2005, 10:19 PM

you say 135-140 is the maximum horsepower you can get out of an elantra... what elantra are we talking about exactly, because my '01 GLS came stock with 140 horsepower.

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 10:24 PM

korai9989

11-13-2005, 10:33 PM

the 05 sedan comes with 138 hp stock, i don't know about the torque

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 10:37 PM

evan938

11-13-2005, 10:37 PM

you say 135-140 is the maximum horsepower you can get out of an elantra... what elantra are we talking about exactly, because my '01 GLS came stock with 145 horsepower.

no it didnt. it came with 138 HP @ the CRANK hp. once it transfers to the wheels, you lose around 15%, which means you were probably right around 118 stock. if you bought the car new when they had the class action lawsuit over the over-estimating HP, you should have gotten some sort of settlement from the suit (usually a 50-100$ gift card to the dealership)

how can an elantra only have 135-140 mine is pumping out more than that and its damn near stock right now. i think, whats the stock HP and tq on an 05?

no its not. again, youre 05 is probably lower than that at the wheels. dig up keyan's dyno thread. what was he @? like 108 to the wheels w/ a midpipe?

fordfasterr has quite a few mods, mainly performance mods to his XD, cam sprocket, ported IM and TB, MSD ignition, intake, exhaust, 1.8l headers (which flow WAY better than stock) and only got to around 135 WHEEL HP

2loud2k2xd

11-13-2005, 10:38 PM

guys, we are talking about wheel h/p, not crank h/p.

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 10:40 PM

huh. well take 30HP off the things i said above. i agree with evan now. oo and now that i read all of this thread while being sober im not going to be able to make an 11second elantra N/A

evan938

11-13-2005, 10:42 PM

with that then im thinking that you might be able to pump out 150-160 practicaly, new intake mani, BBTB, intake, full exhaust, new cames, and a MSD ignition. maybe even get the intake mani ported. i would think that wouldnt be ALL that expensive.

you might hit 150 to the CRANK, but not to the wheels.

new intake manifold (either get your stock P&P or airram)...P&P is 200, depending if you go to FF or elsewhere, or airram is around 600$, and has been shown not to do more than a horse or 2 for NA.
BBTB- 2-300$ 1 hp tops
intake - 40$, 3-4 HP
exhaust - 250-400$ - 6-7hp
new cames - never heard of cames. but cams will set you back 700 for the set. maybe 8-10hp if tuned right
MSD ignition - 400$, maybe a couple horses

so we're talking

1800-2400 for around 30hp? haha

2loud2k2xd

11-13-2005, 10:43 PM

im putting down 120whp and 118wtq all N/A. dyno's to prove also.

korai9989

11-13-2005, 10:44 PM

hahaha, bout time you get it through your head

11 seconds was kinda pushing it

evan938

11-13-2005, 10:45 PM

when i get my speed sensor fixed, and can go past 5k rpms, im gonna dyno intake/exhaust. might have a ported IM and TB at that time

st_anger5532

11-13-2005, 10:46 PM

so basicaly you saying that you could probobly make your car run stock crank HP at the wheels practicaly, and i ment cams.

2loud2k2xd

11-13-2005, 11:02 PM

i still think 180 whp N/A is do-able. its just going to cost some money tho.

Cypher

11-13-2005, 11:03 PM

ur wrong... i think 150whp could easily be achieved N/A... don't say i'm wrong... now look at hte dyno i posted in N/A a lil bit ago... 139 with lightweight flywheel, udnerdrive crank pulley, exhaust and intake. now theres a couple other things that could be done to get more power from that point.

XDGT03 dynoed at 136 whp with these mods
OBX header 2.25 pipe, cat, straight through muffler
SR Crank Pulley
OBX SRI
Bosch +4
Magnecor 8.5mm

you could get to 150whp with a set of cams that are nicely tuned and a few little odds and ends

with what dave had planned he could have gotten to 180whp if he went about it the right way

evan938

11-13-2005, 11:25 PM

180WHP translates to about 215 hp to the crank. you seriously think he could pick up 80 CKP? please. he barely hit 165 WHEEL HP w/ an 80 shot of NITROUS

Cypher

11-13-2005, 11:41 PM

he's an auto i didn't say he could i think it could be done though don't twist what i said i said 150whp would be rather easy to get to

crap you're right i did say that... i think a manual could do it tho;)

2loud2k2xd

11-14-2005, 07:43 AM

180WHP translates to about 215 hp to the crank. you seriously think he could pick up 80 CKP? please. he barely hit 165 WHEEL HP w/ an 80 shot of NITROUS

120whp/118wtq-N/A
165whp/178wtq-80 shot

oiboy989

11-16-2005, 08:53 PM

it is simply stock piston compression ratios and air/exhaust flow the 10.1:1 compression ratio is to high for the wieght of the car lower it and get ten mpg and 3-15 hp (guesstamit) the stock neon runs at between 8.96 and 9.2 stock gets 138whp and 44 mpg on the highway

CTele02

11-16-2005, 09:18 PM

lol ya but can you explain why my friends neon's engine blew after only 70k miles? and it was bone stock... maybe that compression gives longevity to the beta2...

05xd

11-16-2005, 09:19 PM

lol ya but can you explain why my friends neon's engine blew after only 70k miles? and it was bone stock... maybe that compression gives longevity to the beta2...

Because it's a dodge.Hehe :)

g35doc

11-17-2005, 12:37 AM

Because it's a dodge.Hehe :)

+1. Of course according to my experience (2 dodges), it's the trans that goes first. :abovelol: POS crap.

Estopatitiana

11-17-2005, 04:51 AM

+1. Of course according to my experience (2 dodges), it's the trans that goes first. :abovelol: POS crap.
yeah, had an intrepid and sebring with the trannys giving out first...worthless

korai9989

11-17-2005, 11:15 AM

yeah, all of those cars: (dodge, chrysler, jeep, etc) had a chrysler transmission, and if you can remember a few years ago and continuing back for quite some time, the jeep cherokees were infamous for faulty transmissions.

on the transmission topic, but totally unrelated to anything: i heard that audi has come out with/will come out with an automatic transmission that doesn't actually have any gears in it. i'm curious how it works.