Ignorance, being spread by a school near you

[tharptroy]

my girlfriend's high school teacher had the audacity to say that wings on airplanes served no purpose other than to hold engines. I simply dont understand it, how can a man that teaches calculus be so far out from reality? and the worst part is, she beleived him!? i was telling another friend about it, and he was like "yeah troy, i just dont see how a wing would work to make a plane fly". so then he asked his really smart co-worker, and "wings just create balance". are these guys really ****ing serious? how can so many people be so misguided on such a universal idea? if you didnt know that wings on planes cause lift while in motion and you are offended, tough ****, this is the flame forum.

[vabeach_03]

wing cause lift becuase the pressure difference between the top and bottom of the wing are different. if there wasnt' a difference there never would of been an air plane that copuld lkife any higher thatn the qwright brothers;

[Josh K]

Was this guy for real? You should have asked him why birds have wings. I guess they're missing their engines...

[carbonman]

give him a smack for me would ya ;)

[SuperGLS]

Don't take this personal... maybe he was being sarcastic and your girlfriend couldn't figure it out?

Just giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[tharptroy]

she asked some of the other kids in the class, and they agreed with what she said. she also said this guy was formerly an engineer...well lol, now we know why he didnt make a profession out of it. she isnt stupid, she just lacks practical application knowledge sometimes. she graduated number one in her class, and the friends she asked were numbers 2 and 3 out of 500, so they're not dumb either. i wish she was still in school, I'd go up there and ask him WTF he was talking about. he's right, planes could fly with just engines, but they would be a hell of alot less efficient (helicopter). lol, the engines would be pointed at a 45 degree angle to keep it flying level....thats alot of wasted energy...
and as sarcartic as I am, I would hope that my girlfriend could figure it out if the teacher was being sarcastic. maybe he was trying to get them to think outside the box, and forgot to tell them that he wasnt serious about planes. its crazy that people would beleive something like that though.
www.howstuffworks.com has an explanation on it, and I told her to read it. she said she read it and continued to dispute what I had said. I asked her if she read all of it, and she said yes. I asked her how many pages there were, and she said one. LOL, theres like 30 pages on the subject, I told her to go read it again. fortunately she knows im right now, but wow, alot of work to fix a misconception that a teacher gave her...and that ****er didnt even give an explanation as to why he was right.
and even then, my other friend thoguht that wings had nothing to do with flight...I really need to find some more intelligent and mechanically inclined friends. i know lots of guys who are into cars, but alot of them are stick dumb and dont care to improve their knowledge on why thngs work on cars, etc. so I doubt that they'd care about how wings generate lift

[sed]

ask this teacher about the bernuli princaple....

uh difference in air pressure and air speed creates lift/drag/vortices.

jeez

shawn :)

[Beth]

first off~

if there wasnt' a difference there never would of been an air plane that copuld lkife any higher thatn the qwright brothers;

what?! lol

second~

what the hell kind of engineer was he?! my mom works with a bunch of em and she's always sayin that they lack common sense so maybe he does fir the description...

[tharptroy]

lol, I told her to go look for an airplane forum

[vabeach_03]

Beth.... that is what happens when you get drunk and start posting. i honestly don't remember posting that one.

[Beth]

lol i love drunk posting and then going back and saying "wow, i was really ****ed up..." haha

[vabeach_03]

yeah. should of seen some of my other posts or other sites

[watson80]

where did he get hi degree from a Rice Krispies box!!

[Jlivan]

where did he get hi degree from a Rice Krispies box!!
:abovelol: :abovelol: That was funny!!!

A lot of people that are booksmart lack common sense....I should say some people so I don't get hit with a lot of insults.

[04 elantra cvvt]

:wtf: Does this mean that if I strap an engine to my back that I could fly? What is this guy thinking? Engineer shmingineer :wtf:

[2GTS]

:wtf: Does this mean that if I strap an engine to my back that I could fly? What is this guy thinking? Engineer shmingineer :wtf:
Well actually yes you would fly but more like a rocket instead of a plane.

[sed]

as is stated above, tell your "teacher" to click here!

http://www.mste.uiuc.edu/davea/aviation/bernoulliPrinciple.html

shawn :)

[watson80]

Tell your teacher to click here.......... :jerkit:

[sed]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

your ghey!

shawn :)

[04 elantra cvvt]

Tell your teacher to click here.......... :jerkit:
:abovelol: That's some funny s**t!

[watson80]

all I meant was that teacher is a spank....thats all! Nothin against Sed my partner in crime. Like Pinky and the Brain we are trying to rule the world!

[slvrsleeper]

Ok here comes the contraversy.....Scopes Monkey Trial, nuff said

[2GTS]

You might want to explain that one a little. I'm not sure what you mean, are you comparing Scopes to the dumbass that doesn't know the principals of lift? Or are you trying to point out how bad the schools are that this boob is allowed to teach this nonsense and comparing that to the school boards desire to censor the teaching of evolution in the Scopes case? Or did I miss your point all together?

[slvrsleeper]

Only saying that the schools in general should never be relied on as a means of educating our young people. When a teacher can say that wings on an aircraft don't serve a purpose, I meant to point out the absurdity of his point and use the Scopes case as a comparison. For anyone completely lost at this point the Scopes Monkey Trail basically was a case where the school board fired a teacher for attempting to teach the theory of evolution. This at a time when creationism was accepted as fact, not just a religeous teaching

[2GTS]

Ok, that makes sense. I just wasn't sure where you were going with that.

Only saying that the schools in general should never be relied on as a means of educating our young people.

Where do you propose we turn? The parents of most kids are no better having come from the same school system, not to mention that the education my parents recived is very out of date and has been proven to be incorrect through more modern research in some cases.

We have to rely on our schools because there is nothing else out there to educate the masses. Do the schools need to be improved? Of course but that isn't likely to happen on a large scale with the amount of money the average teacher makes and the fact that their salary is directly tied to how much I want to pay in property taxes.

[slvrsleeper]

I share your dismay believe me, my daughter will be attending those same public schools in a few years. Both my parents were school teachers, retired after 35 years in my dads case. Watching what has become of the schools makes me sick! The only real answer is to supplement what our kids get at school with some kind of home school, and not the David Koresh kind of home school either. My folks made a concerted effort to get me intersted in history and literature outside of school and for the most part I am better for it. Now if only I wasn't such a dumbass at math......

[2GTS]

Interest in learning outside the class room is abslutely a must. One thing I credit some of my knoweldge and success to is the fact that by 4th grade I was reading adult books, Steven King, Dean Koontz etc..... Thanks Dad I apreciate it. The best was when I got in trouble for reading a Dean Koontz book in 6th grade(to their defence this was a catholic school) and had the book confiscated and was sent to the principal. The principal called my house and my mom who usually dealt with the school issues listened for a couple min and then told them they should speak to my dad. So principal calls my dad at work, he doesn't like personal calls at work at all so the phone just ringing starts the bad mood, and the principal begins to explain the filth that I was reading. After a min or two my pops interupts and starts telling the principal that he knows exactly what I was reading because he had just finished the book himself and had passed it to me because he thought I'd like it. He then continues to point out how the bible lessons that we are being taught contain just about as much filth by the principal definition as the book he took from me and how the school needs to stay the hell of his face for getting his kid to read something that should be beyond his abilities in 1/2 the time it took his old man to finish. The whole time I'm sitting on the other side of the desk from the principal watching him get more and more red in the face while my smile grew. After that I never got any **** about my reading selections though I think some of the detentions post incident were pure payback for the humiliation.

[slvrsleeper]

Catholic schools are the tool of the devil, except for the female uniforms (or is that especially the female uniforms?) You simply cannot meld a religeous education and a secular one, the two things are, and should be, mutually exclusive.

[2GTS]

Well I have to disagree with your opinion of Catholic schools. I am no longer a practicing catholic but I know that going to that school helped me alot. The class sizes were 1/3 of that in the local public schools and the teachers were alot better as well. Out of the 22 kids that graduated 8th grade there all but 2 were placed in honors programms in high school and one was valadictorian(sp?) and another was runner up at another highschool. I really don't think mixing the religion with the secular education was that big of a deal, it kept me a mostly good person and there were kids of other faiths that did attend the same school and same classes with us and they are probably better off having a different perspective than what they were exposed to at home. One thing that back fired on them was that in educating me so much in the teachings and workings of the church I became to dislike the organization more and more. The basic teachings I still agree with but the modern Roman Catholic church is more of a corporation and political entity than anything else.