why so pricy

[st_anger5532]

why are turbo kits so pricy. i can make my own for less than $1200 usd. $300 for a stage IV garret T3/T4 turbine. maybe 200-300 for a shop to make a turbo mani (cheaper than buying one) then 100 for pipping at a shop. oil lines. $20-30 just pick some up at an auto zone or something. they have them here. SS oi lines. silicon couplers 10 each for the chap ones at autozone. down pipe is included in the manifold price. BOV $50 off ebay, 150-200 for a wastgate. im sure im missing something you HAVE to have so please tell me. so right now with the most expesive prices it adds up to $900 could be even cheaper could even lose the BOV. doesnt need to be intercooled would only be running like 5-6 psi. well thats what i think and im probobly WAY off. if im wrong(probobly am) please correct me. if im right...well im probobly not.

[yamaha]

First off, show me a speed shop that will make you a custom manifold and downpipe for less then three hundred dollars. Second, unless your using all used pieces from a turbo kit, you will no where get close to that estimated price. For my Garrett T25 turbo project, everything was $1,000, then I added things along the way, and Im currently at $1,900. A GOOD and RELIABLE turbo doe's not come cheap. Sure, you can do 5-6psi non-intercooled, but you still have to get adequate fuel tuning, dyno time for tuning, etc.

[ba_feitl]

The piece I see missing is the fabrication time to fit all teh misc parts together and get them mounted. You'd have to assume some labor rate.. say $75/hour for fabrication and assembly time. That can add up quickly if you want it to look nice. Lastly, from the business end, you're missing the "overhead and development" costs. The companies making widgets need more than to cover parts only; they have labor, management, advertising, order processing, rent/mtg for a manufacturing assembly location facility, research & development, taxes, etc..........

All that rolls into your price, that's why it is usually cheaper to do things yourself.

Brad

[Estopatitiana]

i guess if your running that low of psi you dont really need to do much with the fuel system, but im guessing you would only be in the 160-175 whp range with that setup, the big thing with the expensive kits is ecu management and fuel system stuff, but im not an expert on this i dont even have a turbo

[st_anger5532]

how much does a piggy back cost. and i have a friend (jason) getting out of mechanic school here soon he will be able to make me the parts if i want thats why im not adding in labor. and i wouldnt have him put everything together either i would to it myslef. i shouldnt need new injectors only running 5-6 psi should i?

[evan938]

fuel management is where itll hit you. even for sonata injectors, 200$, fuel tuner, cheapest youll find is an SAFC for 250, but the stock ECU will over ride it.

im not even going to get into a 'i can turbo my car for 1000$' arguement. ive said it before, and ill say it again. with a turbo, theres 3 options. cheap, reliable, powerful. pick 2.

[Cypher]

ok yup evan is right... you cna etihere dyno and get it right or not.... now i'm going ti soay i'm drunk cuase i am1

[Vampyrate]

ok yup evan is right... you cna etihere dyno and get it right or not.... now i'm going ti soay i'm drunk cuase i am1


cypher your feeble attempts at backspace are shown here

[DAILLESTWUN]

cheapest youll find is an SAFC for 250

Actually here in Miami I just got my boy a deal on an SAFC for $100.00 he he You just gotta know where to look and you can make a custom turbo kit for a good price..

[BColeman]

Well, you can could make a turbo kit and install if under 1G. It's very possible.

But, If you want a turbo kit that works on the vehicle, be prepared to spend money on dyno time, tuning devices (SAFC, Boost Controller), etc. I was going to try and build my own. I've got a S14 Turbo, but the work required to get it all to work right will come right up to the point of buying a whole kit.

It's worth buying SpeedFactor's kit, you save 1200 dollars. Then the money you save, you buy the electronics and get it tuned on a dyno, and then you'll have enough left for a case of beer...

[st_anger5532]

yea you guys are right again. just had to see if it was possible to get one for that cheap. i could still save a bit tho, buy parts from speed factors kit i could gt pipping made cheaper, and thats about it. i could probobly save like $5 lol.

[evan938]

http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41049&highlight=RANT+COMPLETE+TURBO+KIT

[KeWLKaT]

STOP BUYING SAFC's!!!!!!

THEY DONT WORK PROPERLY!!!!

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TELL YOU!

[Cypher]

****... i did it again... oh well... at least i only posted once... and i wasn't doing too bad until the end!

[evan938]

whoa. chill out man. who are you yelling at? i hope not me. as you can see, i stated that it will override the ECU. im just stating that a cheap fuel tuner is going to run around 250. i didnt say 'a cheap fuel tuner that is perfect for our cars will run 250'

damnit. i need the chill pill gif from columbusracing.

[KeWLKaT]

Nononono evan don't worry

It was for the couple that are talking about it (too lazy to croll page up). I know you understand your ****.

But I think we should start a thread talking about the SAFC and sticky it or something.

[evan938]

I think what would be great is if we had a return style system like the beta 1's, and could use a vortech FMU and slightly larger injectors (i think beta 1s are like 240, so they may work). this way, the FMU adjusts fuel according to how much boost is present.

[KeWLKaT]

Yeah. That's an RRFPR, right?

Thing is, those are too linear in their fuel increment. They work very well, but with a nice pigyback it is possible to go get other numbers.

[evan938]

honestly, im not 100% sure about a RRFPR, but i know w the FMU, you can put in like a 12:1 disc, so for every 12 units of air, it gets so much fuel, and you can change the disc....i cant remember too well...its been a while since i talked w/ my buddy w/ an rd2 tib and he explained it to me.

[dj4monie]

DYI turbo kits usual end up two ways for the unexperienced -

With a load of broken parts or a very slow car compared to its competition of equal modification level.

In most cases you will spend more than you think for all the small things you haven't noticed yet.

I don't understand the moaning about cost for some products, especially turbo and supercharger kits for Hyundai cars. Be lucky you have an aftermarket at all considering these are NOT the most popular cars to modifiy in the US and about 80% of your parts come from overseas anyway.

The Alpine systems are about 10% cheaper than comparable kits for Honda cars, think about that for a second. In fact Hyundai forced induction kits are only slightly more than Mustang 5.0L related kits.

Also companies have to recover cost to manufacture and R&D in their kits. Something you don't have to do. If you want a real idea, make and develop your own turbo system and sell it to 100 people. You'll find its alot harder than you think to maintaine 100% perfect quality control and still get your turbo systems out on time to your customers.

Alpine has done the work for you, however if your an experienced tuner/dyi type of person and I don't mean just doing your own tune ups, which in modern cars involved a simple spark plug change or changing your own oil, does not qualify you as a turbo system expert, no matter how many books you read.

I say, save your self some money and wasted time and prolly your engine by getting a turbo system already ENGINEERED to work on the Beta engine.

honestly, im not 100% sure about a RRFPR, but i know w the FMU, you can put in like a 12:1 disc, so for every 12 units of air, it gets so much fuel, and you can change the disc....i cant remember too well...its been a while since i talked w/ my buddy w/ an rd2 tib and he explained it to me.

The old BLUE Greddy Emanage is under $250 right now.... Just look around the net.

You guys still aren't covering any new ground and DIY turbo kits are less than 5% cheaper than most available systems and they don't perform nearly as flawless as system with years of R&D, consumer feedback and engineering.

Not when I can beat you when it counts with a nitrous system with only $1,000 invested in parts total, all installed in a day, not a weekend.

Say what you want about having power all the time, its a lame and bs copout. A nitrous car can and will BEAT you when it counts and that's all that matters.

[Dust]

Not when I can beat you when it counts with a nitrous system with only $1,000 invested in parts total, all installed in a day, not a weekend.

Say what you want about having power all the time, its a lame and bs copout. A nitrous car can and will BEAT you when it counts and that's all that matters.

And in 6 months your cost will be the same as a turbo kit, and then in another 6 months it will be more than a turbo kit, and then in another 6 months, it will be alot more than a turbo kit.


Pay now or pay later, and increase the sudden shock to your tranny and drive train that 100 hp shot of giggle gas gives that a spooling turbo won't.

[st_anger5532]

if i do end up doing something big to my elantra its not gunna be turbo. costs more over time just as dust said. i would rather have contstant power than just little shots of it. and im suprised this thread was brought back i made this a long time ago. for thos who dont know i droped my idea of making a custom turbo kit. too much work for me right now. and my car is still a bit too new. i want to wait a bit longer. maybe 6 months or so befor i do anything really big to it. if i do turbo ill most likely end up going with speed factors kit i like it.