Alpine Developments Entry Level Kit READY!

[dmdicks]

Hey Everyone,

I just wanted to let you know that the testing is complete and Alpine is ready to release the New Entry Level Turbo kit for Sale!!! :3_yes:
Alpine guarantees at least a 43% Improvement in engine HP and Torque at 7psi. This equates to at least 180-190WHP at 7psi on the non-intercooled kit. Price for the kit, only available through Alpine is 2250USD. Act now and recieve free shipping through the end of the year!! :3_nosthum
This kit will work with the 2.0L Beta II engine found in the Hyundai Tiburon, Elantra, Tuscon, as well as the Kia Spectra and Sportage. This kit offers a great safe and reliable way to introduce youself and your ride to boost. The kit also offers a wide range of upgrade options like intercoolers and larger downpipes to increase the boost level even higher. Go to the below link for further details.

Alpine Developents Entry Level Turbo Kit (http://www.alpine-developments.us/newproducts.html)

[bikerPA]

by "OEM compression," does that translate into "uses the cheap gasoline?" please pardon my n00bitude; I always thought that higher compression ratios = higher octane gas.

[kdmguy]

It's ok price, but not for a long run and looking to get more power in the future. Non-intercooled piping will need to be upgraded, cat-back and down pipe has to be upgraded, fuel line and injector have to be upgraded, gasket or pistons and rods and so on will be another $2000 to go over 200whp once you buy this kit.

I gaurantee you will look for more power once you get used with the power in a week.

I would suggest you guys to save money and buy everything at once so that you only have to upgrade few things in the future. Thanks for sharing.

[Mahonroy]

It's ok price, but not for a long run and looking to get more power in the future. Non-intercooled piping will need to be upgraded, cat-back and down pipe has to be upgraded, fuel line and injector have to be upgraded, gasket or pistons and rods and so on will be another $2000 to go over 200whp once you buy this kit.

I gaurantee you will look for more power once you get used with the power in a week.

I would suggest you guys to save money and buy everything at once so that you only have to upgrade few things in the future. Thanks for sharing.

Eh I disagree, I personally think its best (especially if you are on a budget) to get it going first, then once you have a turbo setup (even if its simple) you can then build up on it, and the increments aren't usually that expensive either. Its a lot harder to save up for everything at once (sure it may be less work, and cheaper in the end) but its deffinetly easier to get an entry level kit first then build up on it, otherwise it will never happen.

[kdmguy]

Well I disagree with you :)
Been there Done that.
I had 4 turbo tiburons in my life so far, and still regreting my mistakes and wasting money on the car in the past. That's why I wanted you to realize just buying a inexpensive kit is not the first way to go.

My first setup was just a introduction kit just like that.
However, when I was wanting for more power after I got used to it within a week. Especially kit like this with small turbo,compression, piston, gasket, 290cc injector (junk), stock fuels, stock cat-back, stock pipe,wastegate,Intercooler, clutch, and so on. Not to mention MUST HAVES once you FI your car such as boost controller (not talking about some cheap junks), At least 2 gauges(Boost and Exhaust Temp, controller), Turbo timer.
You will need to replace all of above in order to go over 200whp and have a daily driven reliable car, and just hardware themselves are probablly over $2000 already. Well, you can still sell the kit and get some money out of it tho. However, like I said you will need to basically change everything. I mean everything.

[05TidalWave]

Might be a good idea for those of us who just want a little more (US being married guys) with out dropping 3k on a great setup. And I think I could sneak 2k out in a few months w/o her noticing. Gonna mean a lot of long nights in the pizza shop after I get off base... Tuuuuurrrrbo...... It would be nice. I say if you are not looking to set Elantra speed records its a good buy.

[only1db]

this would be a good kit for those who just want a small upgrade...

but i agree with KDM you will want more!!

[Estopatitiana]

i agree with kdm guy, i would rather wait and buy it all at once instead of buying parts here and there...its like an old car, you buy it, and it nickels and dimes you forever..when you could just buy the old car and do a complete restoration and replace everything at once..because once you figure out the costs, and how much youve psent on the old beater it will end up being alot more than you think...trust me i have experience with this....if i would have not bought rims, or any naturally aspirated stuff(ran into lots of problems), or any dyno costs etc etc i would have at least 3 or 4 grand to spend on a turbo setup, and i would juch rather be boring lookin sleeper than anything, so i will be wating to buy the highest stage kit..but thats just me, i dont like to be impulsive

[KeWLKaT]

ehhh it depends what you look for.

with my setup i am not aiming at anything more than 220 ish whp. If i reach it I will be MORE than happy.

No thanks, this is my daily driver... There is no way I'm doin internals in there.

[05XDGLS]

About this Unichip. Lets say I want to upgrade. Will I be able to buy bigger injectors and a Greddy Emanage (I believe it can support extra injector setups), and the E-manage be able to work along with the Unichip. Or will the Unichip override it. I wouldn't feel right upgrading if i have to send my Unichip away everytime, also i would want to be able to take the car down to the dyno and tune it exactly for my car.

[dmdicks]

The program on the Unichip will be good up to 15psi though 15 psi on OEM compression is not recommended for longevity. Installing the decompression plate or lower compresson pistons will help the engine last a very long time. I'm at 17psi with just the decomp plate and have had no problems with the OEM internals.

[Estopatitiana]

so dmdicks, how much psi will the kit run with an intercooler? and what would the additional cost be? thanks

[dmdicks]

The kit can be run safely to 10-12 psi with the addition of the intercooler. Beyond that I would recommend either adding the decomp plate or lower comp pistons for additional safety. The intercooler option with all the necessary hoses and piping is 650USD.

[Jamnaccent02]

dmdicks, What kind BOV comes with the kit? I would not need the unichip, so how would I go about that?

Thanks

[Mahonroy]

I don't believe a BOV is included, as the mitsubishi turbo doesn't need one under 12 psi, i believe it has a valve built inside it to releive pressure when the throttle plate closes.

[Cypher]

kdmguy i thought you said stock internals were good up to 300whp???? but you said up there rods and pistons would need to be changed?

[CornbreadXD]

man I think its cool my Daytona is only about 150hp w/a 15 year old turbo and it pulls alot more than the XD does. so im thinking that 180hp is adequate i may want more power but its a daily driver and if i REALLY want more power i might as well get another car.

[Estopatitiana]

i will probably get the decompression plate and the intercooler, i want to at least keep up with stock srt-4's oh and will i need a bov if i get the decompression plate and intercooler? that will make it about what 15 psi? oh and the price is not bad at all compared to sharkracing

[kdmguy]

kdmguy i thought you said stock internals were good up to 300whp???? but you said up there rods and pistons would need to be changed?

You will have to lower the compression either way : getting the pistons and rods or turbo gasket.

man I think its cool my Daytona is only about 150hp w/a 15 year old turbo and it pulls alot more than the XD does. so im thinking that 180hp is adequate i may want more power but its a daily driver and if i REALLY want more power i might as well get another car.

Believe or not.. my 300whp turbo tiburon was daily driven with full boost pushing @20psi for 3years before I sold it, and it is still boosted but has no problem. But like I said to have a daily driven car with no problem, you will need a lot of things

i will probably get the decompression plate and the intercooler, i want to at least keep up with stock srt-4's oh and will i need a bov if i get the decompression plate and intercooler? that will make it about what 15 psi? oh and the price is not bad at all compared to sharkracing
You won't be able to push 15psi with stock catback. You need 3" piping

[Mahonroy]

You won't be able to push 15psi with stock catback. You need 3" piping

Might want to keep this graph in mind that I got from Maximum Boost:

http://mahonroy.home.comcast.net/turbo/exhaustd.jpg

[Estopatitiana]

You won't be able to push 15psi with stock catback. You need 3" piping
thanks for the pointer...btw i have no cats and a straight through muffler with 2.5 inch piping...do i still need 3" piping?

woops didnt see your post mohonroy

[kdmguy]

2.5" should be good upto 240whp.. more power you definately need 3"

[Estopatitiana]

so about how much hp will 15 psi be?

[cbehage]

15 psi I would say is around 250-275.

I have been reading this.

I have an alpine kit for beta 1 (intercooled) at 10 psi. I am not using the unichip or fifth injector. One good thing is that it comes with EVERY single thing you need to install it. No trips to the hardware store to buy this fitting, hose, clamp, bolt, nut.

I installed it myself in my driveway in under a week. I have had it in for a while now and am still amazazed by the power increase. Can't see myself wanting more power anytime soon.

Also, I bought my kit used and it was missing some parts. I called alpine and the sold me the parts I needed for a reasonable price. They do a lot of testing / fiting. Other companies have alot of fittment issues and make you wait on parts for months. Alpine has parts in stock and decent customer service.

[kdmguy]

so about how much hp will 15 psi be?

15psi is around 0.8 bar, and horse power output depends on turbo size and various facts. With little turbos like that with 15psi is probably around 200whp or even less. I am 100% sure that you can't go over 200whp with 15psi just having that kit installed.

15 psi I would say is around 250-275.

Not possible. You need at least GT30 turbo to run 250-275 @15psi

[evan938]

well first

15psi is just over 1bar. 1 bar = 14.7psi.

with a good tune, you can hit 250 EASILY out of a t3 super 60 @ 15psi (bobsiz on NT did 238whp UNTUNED on a t3 super 60 16psi)

a 2.5" exhuast is PLENTY for 400hp. you will not need a 3" exhaust until you hit upwards of 600+ hp.

200whp can be hit w/ about 7-8psi of boost

[Estopatitiana]

ill probably wait for alpines dyno graphs before im 100% sure

[kdmguy]

well first

15psi is just over 1bar. 1 bar = 14.7psi.

with a good tune, you can hit 250 EASILY out of a t3 super 60 @ 15psi (bobsiz on NT did 238whp UNTUNED on a t3 super 60 16psi)

a 2.5" exhuast is PLENTY for 400hp. you will not need a 3" exhaust until you hit upwards of 600+ hp.

200whp can be hit w/ about 7-8psi of boost

You are right about PSI conversion. I was little confused since I have not used PSI conversion for a while.
But you are definately wrong about the exhaust size.
Plus good tune doesn't mean more horse power..
I had T3 on my tiburon before with 91 ocatane w/3" piping
14.7psi @240whp
17psi @ 270whp
17psi @290whp (premium gas)

2.5" exhaust is not plenty for 400hp, and that is why I had to replace my "GP sports" 2.5 full titan exhaust to 3" after my second upgrade to hit over 250whp. I am talking everything about from my experience :)

200whp can not be hit w/about 7-8psi period.

[KeWLKaT]

Yeah my friend had around 200 whp on his beta on 7psi before he upgraded.

LOL

[dmdicks]

With the correct supporting mods and tuning 200WHP should be easily attainable on an OEM compression engine.

[slow 2K2GT]

Even if you wanted to go with a decomp plate the price is still (and I use Kspec as an example) $299, now even to scrimp on turbo pistons you would pay $349 for a set. Use your stock rods thats fine, its been noted that they will last, and when they do break or you got cash enough, go out and get a good forged set. I just look at it this way, if you are tearing down the engine to do a head gasket, why not just drop the oil pan and change the pistons while you are at it, with the right equip it would only take an extra 2 hours or so.

[dmdicks]

Dynos are up!! On average the 8psi kit showed an improvement of 83ft/lbs and 65HP to wheels!! What is absolutely amazing is that the OEM Peak Torque levels are surpassed from around 2000RPM on up making a nice big fat torque curve, which is what really makes a car go fast off the line.

Alpine Developments Entry Level Non-Decompressed Kit (http://www.alpine-developments.us/newproducts.html)

[02xdGLS]

106.2 whp stock??
is it just me or does that seem a tad bit low...
i thought stock xd makes around 110 whp... didn't keyan or someone do bone stock dyno on his xd2??

nonetheless, good to see the dyno. 170 whp/195 torque is definitely a great improvement. i'm actually saving up for this kit and hopefully this coming summer i can get it. thanks for the dyno sheet.

[Mahonroy]

Looks like that kit is going to turn out really good! Thats a great improvment for the price!

[Jamnaccent02]

WOW! Those are some nice numbers from that kit. I may have to get this kit very soon.

[slow 2K2GT]

hey yeah just saw that, guess you beat me to it. Very nice indeed. 65whp improvement.

[dmdicks]

One thing to remember about these dyno graphs are that they came from a dynapack dyno. Dynapacks typically read lower than a dynojet. So yes your are correct in stating 106WHP seems low. On a dynojet the same car would read inbetween 110-115WHP stock. The thing to take from the sheets is the before and after numbers.

[02xdGLS]

ahh ic.
yea. i definitely agree that 65whp gain is great esp considering the price. just thought that the stock numbers were a bit lowe compared to what we know. but that explains it. thanks for the heads-up.

[pjc6281]

so just add 5 to the before and afters ;)

[CornbreadXD]

i will def go after this kit. one question though will it be safe to have this as well as nitrous or will I have to upgrade somethings, or will i just have to use an empty bottle for show?

[edit] Don't FLAME me I searched I found it thanks Cypher

[dmdicks]

Adding Nitrous is definately NOT recommend unless you are or have access to a highly skilled tuner and a deep wallet.

[dj4monie]

The kit is excellent for entry level power.

I agree that if you intend to make alot of power however I would skip this.

Alot of people spend two and sometimes three and four times before they get it right.

Reseach and setting a reasonable goal will make your dollars last longer and add more value to your purchases.

For those that live in the boonies, spend more and get the full kit. Unless you really like driving 50-200 miles back into town to get your car tuned and what if their isn't a Unichip dealer near you???

The entry level kit however doesn't mean you can't make better than decent power numbers from it. You can install a water/alky injection kit and use a pressure switch to activate it not only at a pre-set boost level but throttle input (ie: TPS sensor input) as well.