Dyno Fund

[robs02elantra]

Ok everyone, I've been toying with this idea for a while now. Like I just said in 4mynikka's thread, it is a LOT easier to find 5$ each time than it is to come up with 160 or so by yourself after you just paid for a mod to your car. So, who would be willing to give 5$ to a dyno fund each time there is a legitimate desire for a dyno on someone's car? I realize that there are dynamics to this that need working out, but just vote for the idea at the moment. I'm working out rules and suggestions for how this could work that I will post in this thread later on for people to discuss and flame. So, how about it...let's see a prelim. show of hands.

[th003g]

dyno fund for my car... raise your hands....
relevant mods:
s/c
short ram
ngk wires
ngk iridium plugs

[robs02elantra]

6 votes including me, and 34 members online. Come on guys, bump for a good cause.

[CTele02]

What about have it part of the "Pro-member" thingy, like only Pro members are allowed to receive money from the dyno fund?
Requirements should also include that the person needs a digital camera to post pics of the place they will go to, receipts, the car actually being dynoed and a pic of the dyno sheet.

[robs02elantra]

I don't know, I hadn't thought about that. The only thing about it would be that there aren't that many pro members, so it would be harder to raise the money for dyno's. If only the pro members could take money from it, then non-pro members wouldn't give money to it. And the pro members have already given 20$ to the site, so they most likely won't want to give more money now. At first glance, I see it being easier as including all members pro or not, that are active. Kind of like all the people who rckozma sends birthday wishes to...and the same criteria for being car of the month. So, you have to have posted a certain amount of times in the previous weeks to requesting money for a dyno. Again, the rules are in the works, and it all depends on what kind of response I get from the poll to how seriously I look at potential rules for this! We'll see...keep up the comments and suggestions though! I haven't ruled anything out so far.

[05xd]

I agree with the requirements.The thing about the certain post is that they would have to be useful or pertainent(sp) to something and not just "post whoring" to get the loot.

[robs02elantra]

true. The masses of people who will contribute (:abovelol: ) will get upset if it's postwhoring just to get the loot though. I think

[CTele02]

Well to me being a Pro-Member is one step above just being an "active" member. It means that the person has already willingly contributed to the site and can be "trusted" to carry through with the dyno, not accusing that anyone here would just take the money and run, but its like a little security layer. With this dyno fund possibility, perhaps more people will join in :deal:

[yamaha]

Hey, nothing better then supporting the dyno for a turbo'd Elantra. :)

[CTele02]

Hey, nothing better then supporting the dyno for a turbo'd Elantra. :)
You mean J2.... another requirement is XDs(1s&2s) only!!!! (jfwy)

[robs02elantra]

Well to me being a Pro-Member is one step above just being an "active" member. It means that the person has already willingly contributed to the site and can be "trusted" to carry through with the dyno, not accusing that anyone here would just take the money and run, but its like a little security layer. With this dyno fund possibility, perhaps more people will join in

yeah, I had thought that when you suggested it as well! I just want this to take off quickly if it does, so I'm thinking seriously about both routes and which one would work the best/quickest.

[yamaha]

XD's should only pertain, but seriously, there are only 2 cars I would put money towards to see what they are putting down.

[CTele02]

Well I think its best if you take it slowly and securely since you're talking about a research "charity" that people contribute to and really get nothing directly out of it, just knowledge. So rushing into it isn't the best way to go about it IMO.

[robs02elantra]

well, I don't mean to sound like I want to rush into it. I have put a lot of thought into it, being that I suggested it a month or two ago and have had it in the back of my mind ever since. I just mean that once I get this started for real, I'm going to want it to build quickly so we can get some dyno's done and start earning peoples trust in the system.

[CTele02]

Also perhaps if this goes through there should be a separate Dyno Fund page that shows contributers listed (not by amounts, just in the order of contributing). Not really as great as a plaque but I think you get the idea.

[robs02elantra]

perhaps also a system of credits, like you can raise money for 1 set of pulls for each time you contribute. That way, people don't contribute once, and then ask for 10 seperate dyno's to be paid for...lots of ideas, please keep them coming, I'm very serious about getting this started.

[CTele02]

On this Dyno page, there can be the "pending" Dyno listing where people (PRO MEMBERS) who have legitimate mods that they will BEFORE AND AFTER dyno on their car(XD1or2 and maybe one turboed J2) are listed in order (first to get their stuff together, or perhaps the order can be voted on, a weekly poll to select a new addition to the listing?) and the money will go accordingly from the top of the list and down. Then each person's dyno will have its own page/thread to describe the details of the mod, the car, other mods, temperature, altitude, date, location and a little about the person and ofcourse the pics.

Oh ya and if the person takes the money and runs and does not return it, they are banned and hunted down :D

[skeetre]

I already plan to dyno mine before and after the turbo install. I wanted a before and after on the exhaust, but I didn't feel like waiting to install my exhaust.

I'm going to try to go next week and dyno mine with a SRI and catback exhaust, F1 racing clutch and Fidanza flywheel... then get the car painted again, and turboed, and go back and dyno again. I think the extra paint will give me 10whp. :-)

[robs02elantra]

On this Dyno page, there can be the "pending" Dyno listing where people (PRO MEMBERS) who have legitimate mods that they will BEFORE AND AFTER dyno on their car(XD1or2 and maybe one turboed J2) are listed in order (first to get their stuff together, or perhaps the order can be voted on, a weekly poll to select a new addition to the listing?) and the money will go accordingly from the top of the list and down. Then each person's dyno will have its own page/thread to describe the details of the mod, the car, other mods, temperature, altitude, date, location and a little about the person and ofcourse the pics.

Oh ya and if the person takes the money and runs and does not return it, they are banned and hunted down :D


We can include each persons dyno and details in their member profiles!! That way we don't clutter everything up with a thousand and one dyno threads, and they don't get lost in the official dyno thread!

[CTele02]

We can include each persons dyno and details in their member profiles!! That way we don't clutter everything up with a thousand and one dyno threads, and they don't get lost in the official dyno thread!
Well I'm not talkin about just making one big thread.... i'm thinking more along the lines of its own sub-Forum!!!!

[robs02elantra]

haha, ok then. Unfortunately, I don't have the power to do that, so James can you chime in sometime soon! Possabilities of this kind of thing going down under your watchful eye are??

[CTele02]

haha, ok then. Unfortunately, I don't have the power to do that, so James can you chime in sometime soon! Possabilities of this kind of thing going down under your watchful eye are??
Obviously its passed his bed time :D so we'll probably get a response tomorrow, but we might as well still continue with ideas.

[robs02elantra]

definately. Any other ideas?? I'm working on some of the rules at the moment, do you mind if I pm them to you later on, or in the morning...for you to review and tell me what you think?

[CTele02]

definately. Any other ideas?? I'm working on some of the rules at the moment, do you mind if I pm them to you later on, or in the morning...for you to review and tell me what you think?
Sure even you could meet me in the chat if you want.

[SuperGLS]

I have supported a couple different members when they have needed some money for a dyno. Usually it only happened when the person was buying a mod that was the first of it's kind or perhaps they had a lot of different engine mods.

I think if there was something that was set up to be open to all members, that people with a small set of mods would want to dyno their car simply because they could get a helping hand. I'd love to dyno my car, but with only a CAI it's not worth it. I think we'd have a bunch of people in similar situations. I'm all for supporting individual members when the situation arises.

I'd glady throw $5 towards Sean for some dyno money when he gets the turbo set up. One because it's a mod that not a lot of people have. Two because he's a great member here. Three because, well, there's no three, but for some reason he's worth it.

And, you're right, it is past my bed time.

[robs02elantra]

Yes. It wouldn't be there for people who wanted to dyno with new spark plugs, or comparing two different accord $15 intakes. Everything within reason. And everyone doesn't have to contribute everytime, so if you don't think that something is worth throwing your money into the ring, then they won't have to do it. I'm not going to twist any arms.

Just a "we do what we can" kind of offer.

[CTele02]

Also we are still wondering if the fund should put forward the money ahead of time or reimburse the person after they present the fund with the correct parameters that would make the knowledge "useful". Thus "useful" and the "parameters" will have to be discussed and decided on.

[cbehage]

How about a pool of money and when people get a mod they want to dyno, we have a poll with 4-5 cars/mods to see what mods the majority of people want to see dynoed (like an airram and auto->manual swap.) hehe

Also another Idea I had was, maybe charging a small fee for completing a sale from this forum. (like $2) Maybe split between seller and buyer.

[CTele02]

Well yes the money should be pooled and the cars and the mods should be voted on by everyone, (pretty much like COTM). Then the results can be displayed on pages set up like COTM (or listed like in the DIY section under different modification sections) where theres input from the numbers, pics, and review on the mod being tested.

To me the results should be very well organized and fit a set of parameters that everyone will find useful when comparing to other dynos and mods. This in essense will be like a "3rd party Independent Review" on the mods for elantras. Eventually the database will be very rich of knowledge/information and we can decipher which mods are worth the money and are best for what people desire.

[Estopatitiana]

you know who i think needs the dyno fund the most is mohonroy..i would like to see his numbers with 15psi, im guessing its at the very least 230 whp

[robs02elantra]

ok, well how many people right now need a dyno and could benefit from this kind of service? Mohonroy, 4mynikka, cbehage, th00g??

Yamaha, who would you put money down to see their numbers?

[4mynikka]

ok, well how many people right now need a dyno and could benefit from this kind of service? Mohonroy, 4mynikka, cbehage, th00g??

Yamaha, who would you put money down to see their numbers?

Count me out dude, save the money for someone who's pushing over 200whp, there's no point in doing another dyno so that I can get a base line when at most our cars are pushing 115 whp stock.

[yamaha]

Ill bw putting money down for a before dyno and after anyways to see what I'm getting, regaurdless.

[slow 2K2GT]

I agree with the Pro Members only getting the dyno funds because being a Pro member shows that you are dedicated to this site (I know I havent signed on yet!), I also say that you should dyno the car under your own funds, show the dyno and forward a reciept to Super, than you can recieve a return from contributions! You also need to be a contributor to the dyno fund prior to dynoing your car, this way you support others in the same ventures, not just getting something for nothing.

ok, well how many people right now need a dyno and could benefit from this kind of service? Mohonroy, 4mynikka, cbehage, th00g??
Come on now...why would you do this when in the real world how many people are able to afford a reliable turbo setup and would be willing to go through with the project...There are dyno result for turbo applications on other forums and there is such a huge variation in results due to various fuel tuning setups. This Dyno Fund should be for those who are adding bolt on mods that will yeild very close results for others who do them. We also have SC results from Ford so again why? We dont have a solid lightweight flywheel dyno yet or anyone with cams...see this is just it, everyone gets lost in the FI numbers when very few will go there, I have some mods that very few have due to its cost and install difficulty, I know there is power there just not sure how much. Lets allow this subject to be hashed apart, im sure there will be a good set of guidelines once its in effect.

[tharptroy]

Come on now...why would you do this when in the real world how many people are able to afford a reliable turbo setup and would be willing to go through with the project...There are dyno result for turbo applications on other forums and there is such a huge variation in results due to various fuel tuning setups. This Dyno Fund should be for those who are adding bolt on mods that will yeild very close results for others who do them. We also have SC results from Ford so again why? We dont have a solid lightweight flywheel dyno yet or anyone with cams...see this is just it, everyone gets lost in the FI numbers when very few will go there, I have some mods that very few have due to its cost and install difficulty, I know there is power there just not sure how much. Lets allow this subject to be hashed apart, im sure there will be a good set of guidelines once its in effect.

slow is right, anyone doing a turbo setup will be taking their car to the dyno anyway.

the only dyno fund that would be worth it would be for those with bolt-on mods.

like for example, seeing how much power slow is putting down with his cams, or how much power oregun is making with his $600 kspec header, or someone dynoing the air ram.

[BogiesHyundai]

sounds like a plan to me.

[robs02elantra]

sounds like some great ideas coming out in this thread. I'm going to be off work a couple of days early this week, so I'll throw a few things together and see what I can come up with, taking all the suggestions into advisement, of course!

[cbehage]

someone say airram?

I will have an airram very soon. Can't wait.

You are right about not dynoing turbo cars, that is why I want to see some intake comparisons and stuff.

[robs02elantra]

so, perhaps a better way of doing it would be to make a list of products that we want dyno'd and have people who have only those mods done dyno their cars. That way, we have a standard stock dyno that we can assume is going to be fairly accurate, and we can compare each time someone with a certain mod gets a dyno done.

So, we can start off with a list similar to this:
- Accord Intake
- SRI
- P&P IM
- etc...

and then we can start to mix and match once we have those dyno'd. We can dyno a more complex list like:
- P&P and CAI
- CAI and BBTB
- BBTB and P&P
- etc...

that way we can make a pretty good list of which mods give which gains, and then also find out if the gains stay consistant when added together with other mods. Getting a good grid of which mods add which gains, and what the best combinations are. Someone who has a stock car can then look at the grid and figure out which route they want to go with, and work towards a serious goal! Let me know what you think

[slow 2K2GT]

we have a good platform from Fords dynos, find someone with the same mods who has other mods that people are interested in also and have them dyno.