kspec intake manifold Install

[rbenkemeadow]

Okay this is probably geared towards ford, that I know of. Can anyone give step by step instructions on how to install the kspec manifold on a beta 2.

One question I have is the 2 nipples on the back side of the manifold. Are they for hoses that you have to relocate or should I cap them? There also is one that is large towards the center and back of the kspec. :confused:

Second Can I put an air breather on the hose from the valve cover? Sense there is no hook up for that on the kspec.

Third Ford, can you explain in detail if you had to make any special vacum lines or anything.

Any help is great
Thanks everyone!!

Ryan

[FordFasteRR]

you absolutely, positively, cannot install a breather on the intake manifold.

lol


you will have to fabricate your own idle air bypass adatper.

then, using those spare vacume ports on the back, you'll have to route the air hoses to/from the idle air controller.


one side of the idle control valve gets air from the air intake, the other side of it goes to one of the ports on the back of the IM.. this is how the car will get air while the throttle body is closed for idling...

you'll want to make a bracket to hold the idle air control valve... if not, it'll bang around and possibly malfunction costing you a LOT of $$ to replace it with a new one.

take some pics of the IM on the front/back/sides so I can show you which ones to use...



and lastly, please dyno before and after using a dynojet dyno with SAE correction.

[rbenkemeadow]

The air breather would be from the valve cover not the manifold. lol I did the same thing for my friends srt4 when we put his cai on.

What about the cruise control?

Thanks for getting back to me also.

Do you want the pics to your email?

I also will be on the dyno this Sat.

I will install when the sr tb comes in

One more thing. can you tell me the size of hoses and length used?

Thanks Ryan

[cbehage]

http://www.rdtiburon.com/index.php?showtopic=14258

[mayollo072R]

I have one Kspec AirRam installed on my XD.
http://photobucket.com/albums/f45/mayollo072R/?action=view&current=enginestage1005.jpg

I have to tell you that you will need to go to a machine shop to custom made a port for the ISA (not provided) if yours uses a MAP sensor. The rest of the hoses; you just have to re-route them to the ports located in the back and side in the one closest to each hose. There is a big port under the manifold that I eliminated with a piece of hose, a spark plug and a clamp ( NO USE FOR IT RIGTH NOW). You will need basic tools only and gasket tak sealer (no silicone) to replace the manifold gasket.

If you have some mechanics principles you will do the swap in about 3hrs (including two trips to the autoparts to buy the different hoses and clamps needed). If you measure everything before it will take you no more than 2hrs.

[rbenkemeadow]

Hey ford give me you email address and I will send the pics. I have been f'en around with the pictures and I can't get them on here. So give me your addy and I'll send the manifold pics and engine bay pics.

[cbehage]

just upload tthe pics to here http://www.nitrousworld.com/login.php

Or email them to cbehage@aol.com and I will put them on here.

mayollo072R, Is that the ark strut bar?

[rbenkemeadow]

Thanks!!

[mayollo072R]

Yes it is. It fits perfectly with the airram.

[rbenkemeadow]

What fits?

[fgummett]

What fits? I think they are discussing that the Ark Racing Front Strut Brace fits with the KSpec AirRam... If you check out mayollo072R's profile he has a picture of his engine bay

[FordFasteRR]

how about those pics ?

[rbenkemeadow]

I looked. Did you get the pics?

[cbehage]

Here are the pics he sent me. Thanks fors for hosting them. Funny story. I am buying an used airram. I have been asking the guy for pics. I thought he finally sent the pics. I look at them and start swearing. I am like it's a damn beta 2. Then I look at the engine pics and remember this topic.

http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/100_0896.jpg

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[rbenkemeadow]

Thank you!!

Okay, the third pic down I believe that is the map. What the hell am I suppose to do with that? I thought maybe wire o2 sesor in place and tap into the cai tube.

On the fourth pic, It's easy to see I need to relocate the hoses to the available nipples on the side and the back of the man. But the main reason for the picture is the hose from the man. near the tb down further is what looks like a filter maybe on a bracket. What do i do with that?

[FordFasteRR]

I filled that huge plug on the back of the IM with silicone. It never gave me any trouble ! =)

I ran a hose from the brake master cylinder to the vacume port below the TB opening.

THen I ran a hose from the vacume port on the back of the IM closest to the TB opening to the PCV valve on the back of the valve cover.

Then I Ran a hose from the intake tube to the idle control valve adapter , and then another hose from the 2nd port on the idle control valve adapter to the final vacume port on the far end of the KSpec IM.

I think I may have done one other thing but I don't recall exactly.

[cbehage]

The third pic, with the sensor disconnected, That is the idle controll. The map is in the center of the airram.

I remember your pics ford. Can't find them now?

[rbenkemeadow]

Please read the post before Ford

Okay all these names is like reading korean. Can you say okay in picture 1 bla.....

I think i need it crayon!!!!

[cbehage]

Just hook up whatever vac lines you have to where they are on the stock mani, then plug the rest. Doesn't really matter where the are, as long as it is air tight.

If the names of parts on your car sound like Korean, maybe you should read up on it before trying to istall this. I know exactly what ford is talking about.

[rbenkemeadow]

WTF do you think I am doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Sounds like Korean" Just a joke D.S.

Sorry for snapping but....

[cbehage]

You might want to look on webtech or a shop manual to familiarize your self with the vacuum routing. It will help you alot.

[FordFasteRR]

the intake hose typically only has 1 vacume port on it.

that means that you will have to TEE that hose, from the tee, one hose goes to the inlet of the idle air control valve, the other goes to the secondary valve cover breather port.

DO NOT " PLUG " ANYTHING.

[rbenkemeadow]

A couple more questions. Thanks a lot Ford That Redzman guy talks s*** about you, but so far you cool peeps.

Okay did you put a hose in each of the idle control valve openings? If so how did you keep them in there?

And I counted 3 vacum openings on the kspec. Even if I T the idle control valve there is not enough vacum nipples on the kspec. Thats why I suggested a air breather from the valve cover.

The only one I would plug would be the 3/4 nipple.

For the ICV what if I wired in a 02 sensor or something of that nature and put it in the intake tube.

[FordFasteRR]

..........

For the ICV what if I wired in a 02 sensor or something of that nature and put it in the intake tube.


You MUST hook up the ICV or the car will not idle properly.

=(

[cbehage]

Any progress with this?

You can put a breather on the crankcase if you cant find any ports. Or you could T it into the brake booster line or another line.

Any more Questions, ask away. Be specific about what you are having problems with.

This might help you out. (http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4381)

Try asking dmdicks for more pics

[rbenkemeadow]

Okay a little update. I feel like a 6'5 p****. Today at 3 pm eastern I started the project. This is after My 2 friends with srt4's that are heavily modified came over Sat. to discuss how to do this. Any who after going to pepboys, advance, and Depot we came up with a plan.

Today I said screw it I'll take off the manifold and fabricate the air ram if I have to. I never once had to go under the car to take the stock manifold off. It took me about an hour or so and being careful and paying attention to where things go.

One problem I saw was with the stock tb and the gasket. But I put it on and bolted it up and saw no spaces for air to come through. I did buy a couple feet of 3/8 inch fuel line for the vacum lines. I also put the airam on and measured for length of hoses.

I read somewhere someone said don't take off the tb just put it aside. BS!!! It takes 2 seconds to pull off. It does help with it not there.

Getting back to feeling like P****. This is so f'in easy a retard could do it.


As for how I am going to fabricate the icv valve and the hose from the valve cover this is how I am going to do it. cbehage If you would post my pics I will email them to you again. For the ICV I took one of the nipples from back put a T and ran two hoses towards the sensor. Then you have to shave the outside of the hose down to fit in the icv holes. This is 3/8 hose again so ICV would get enough air.
the valve cover hose I will run to the intake tube nipple.

Thanks again for all your help.


Oh yeah, I F***** Hate REDZMAN and Kspec, If I could meet that F***** .... :mad:

And I bought a 61 mil TB from SR to go with this

One more thing My dad bought the new zo6 and we were crusin and I got some good race videos. I know it does not pertain but when their is power there is fun!!!

[slow 2K2GT]

LOL, sounds like you have some troubles....hey tell us how you really feel about REDZMAN and Kspec...lol! Now that you mention it, the other day as I was walking down the road, I did see some retards trying to put on the exact same manifold, but just couldn't make it work, so you are ok!

[cbehage]

Why do you hate redz and kspec?

You give no reasons.

http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/100_0903.jpg

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[rbenkemeadow]

Red, He is probably the short guy (nothing against short) but he is the one that feels everyone is to blame besides him and he is right always.

If you want the scoop go to kspec.com and go to forums. 1st part I was realy paying a compliment. That f**ker made it sound like they do no wrong. Anyway I think it is under the first topic on orders. Then it is I recieved my manifold today or something like that.

Before you read it go to the beta 2 air ram and click it and read.
Then go to Redztard or the forum.

it is 1142 and I am waiting for the glue to dry in the ICV. Then I will hook the T up and start it up.

[cbehage]

Cool, let us know how it goes. Can't wait to get and install mine.

[rbenkemeadow]

Okay just started it up and not good. I think it is the ICV. As soon as I started it, went from 2000 rpm to 4000, up and down... So this means that the ICV is not reading right.

Cbehage Can you find out what people do with the ICV with beta 2 engines. If not I'll sell you mine 20% off.

Thanks Ryan

[cbehage]

where do you have it T'd from

Did you reset your ecu?

I have a beta 1. And I already have an airram lined up for purchase

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4381

Pretty sure you need a line comming from pre throttle body (intake) and one going into the manifold. Not too sure since I don't have one.

[rbenkemeadow]

I'll send you a pic

[cbehage]

Did you get the message I sent you on here about posting pics?

The problem is you have the air coming and going on the same line.

You need air going into the sensor comming from a seperate line (not T'd) from you air intake (pre throttle body).

Then out of the sensor into the line you now have going into the sensor. remove the T and put it into the sensor.

http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/draw.jpg

[mayollo072R]

Guys, is the ICV that you are referring to the ISA (iddle speed actuator)? If so, I went to the shop and installed mine on the airram as on the picture on this link. There is a hole in the TB that is what youre calling the pretrothlebody were the top hole of the ISA needs to suck air. Your car is going high and lows in the rpms because of the hole designated for the upper hole of the ISA in the TB. Make a test and remove the CAI connection from the TB and put your finger into that small hole that sucks air in the TB (after the car is on). You'll see that it will stabilize at about 1000rpm.

You have tree options:

1. Install the external type like the one shown in the previous post.
2. Go to the shop, with your stock manifold and your ICV or ISA (for reference) and tell them to make two simple holes and two holes with treads for the OEM ISA bolt install in the exact location of the one in the OEM manifold (see this link this is the way I choose http://photobucket.com/albums/f45/mayollo072R/?action=view&current=engineresized.jpg )

You can close the hole in the TB with some heavy rubber (make sure that there is no way this rubber or wathever you put there is not suck by the engine or.. :confused: ...you know) to keep your engine on 1000rpm or reroute a copper line inside the manifold from the top hole of the ISA to the small hole on the TB (for cleaner looks)

3. Eliminate the ISA and close the hole in the TB. This option will work but you will have to accelerate your car until close to normal temp is reached or it will turn off.

The first option is the easiest, cheapest and quicker one.

[rbenkemeadow]

Thanks. I bought a air breather for the valve cover. Will get back when finished and start it up.

Thanks again

Changed the vacuum lines, reset the ecu, and still doing the same thing.
Maybe the 2 black lines going into the icv might be in too far.

Or should I wait a minute and the high idle will stop once the air makes it through the hoses?

[mayollo072R]

Make the test of the TB that I mention in the previous post you will not have the iddle problem. Check your OEM intake manifold (the area were the the tb was installed) and you will see that your airram does not have that hole. This cause the car to suck air trough that hole, even with the butterfly closed. This is causing your RPM problems (going from 2200 to 3800 up and down) It happens to me lo'l. Check that out and you will see.

[rbenkemeadow]

What happens when my new tb comes in?

How would it make any difference putting my thumb over the stock tb hole if the hoses to the ICV are not hooked up?

The only way I see it will work is if I drill out the holes and tap the ends to screw it into the manifold.

My only question is how did ford make this work without drilling?

[rbenkemeadow]

Took off the manifold and went to stock

[mayollo072R]

What happens when my new tb comes in?

How would it make any difference putting my thumb over the stock tb hole if the hoses to the ICV are not hooked up?

The only way I see it will work is if I drill out the holes and tap the ends to screw it into the manifold.

My only question is how did ford make this work without drilling?


He might have done something to fit the hoses but I don't know for sure. He might posibly use some sort of copper lines pluged in the ICV with some kind of glue or epoxy and, after plugging the hoses on the ICV, he might have re-route the upper ICV hose on the CAI, SRI or stock intake and the lower one to one of the ports located in the KSPEC Manifold. Have you close all the the remaining (out of use) inlets on the Airram?
Don't go stock. this will work great. If you need asistance pm me your phone number and ET hours to call you and I help you with the install (live help).

I can also e-mail some pictures of how I do it. I don't know how to post pics on the site.

Keep me posted.

[mayollo072R]

What fits?
Cbehage asked, "mayollo072R, Is that the ark strut bar?" (two posts before that one or so)and i answered without quote button.

[cbehage]

sux you gave up so easily. Why didn't you IM or PM FORD? I am sure he could have explained it to you.

[rbenkemeadow]

I did not give up!!! When this is your daily driver what am I suppose to do??? I took it off so I could go to work.

I figured out a solution to the problem. Cbehage your chart you gave me was backwards. Think about it. If the hose from the intake tube is in the hole that you showed, then the air from ICV reads there is never a time when air is restricted because air comes in from the cone filter. If I switch the hose from the intake tube to the back of the manifold then when the butterfly is closed it will restrict air.

So I need to run the manifold line to the opening of the ICV that recieves air, and the hole that blows it out, that line will go to the intake tube.

What do you think? Before I do this.

[cbehage]

I told you man. I don't even have that sensor on my car. I was explaining how I thought it worked. I wish someone else would help you out. I am trying man.

Did you ask fordfaster? IM or PM him. He can explain it a lot better than me since he did it before.

I don't think it shoud blow into the intake, but I am not sure. If it is similar to my idle actuator, it should bypass the tb when it is closed. Sucking air from the intake and regulating it into the IM. Could be wrong though.

[rbenkemeadow]

I was not lashing out at you bro!! So far you are the only rational person I know on this. But think about it, it makes sense. I told my dad my theory and he said it should work. If not I bought him a drill press and I will use it to drill the holes in the kspec if need be.

He thought it would be a good idea to try it.

I give mass props to cbhage :bowdown:

[cbehage]

I know you weren't lashing out mang.

did you read this part

"If it is similar to my idle actuator, it should bypass the tb when it is closed. Sucking air from the intake and regulating it into the IM"

It should not take air from the manifold to the intake. It needs to regulate the amount of air going into themanifold/cyliders from the intake.

[rbenkemeadow]

So, the new way I mentioned is the way to go right? I will wait a few days to put on because SR finaly shipped out my TB. I also got my Mussa grill in last night. I drilled the holes out to fit. I will paint tonight and install monday night.

[rbenkemeadow]

Okay people!! With the great help of Mayo I have finally found how to hook up the Airam on 01-03 elantra. I recieved my TB from SR and it has no cruise so those of you who love it do not buy this!! It also does not have the TPS sensor on the side which me and mayo are now talking about.

[cbehage]

Why don't you post how to hook it up so others that search and find this thread don't read the whole thing and come to a dead end.

Pics would be nice too. DIY style

[pjc6281]

want some pics and dyno numbers with this if you get the chance. Thank you

[rbenkemeadow]

I will try to Dyno this Sat or Sun. I am in a wedding in Indiana and that is a hour or so drive. My buddy trained me on the dyno jet yesterday. Mayo that's why I did not get a chance to call you back. So as long as someone is at the shop I can get in there and dyno. It is weird though because the guy he is renting the half of the shop to has old cobra's.... a ford fan. Then my buddy has twin turbo z06. Any who, he does not have the software to tune the ecu but I will mess with the fuel.


Here is how I am going to hook it up.

1) On the back of the SR tb there is a small hole below the hole to fasten the tb. I work for Depot so I took the tb in and found a rubber plug. You have to get this plug in very tight because if it comes out... Cut off the remaining rubber hanging out.

2) For the ICV or ISA- I bought 6' of 3/8" fuel line from auto zone.
I turned the ICV with the holes facing up and took a screw to fasten it where the engine or valve cover used to be. (I'll show pics when finished.) Do not use the same screws used to hold the ICV to the stock manifold!!! It will bogger the screws up and you will have to re tap the hole to the stock manifold. Take one end of the hose with a dremel or roto and shave the outside of the hose. (all the way around) Do not go overboard with the dremel. I shaved a little an test fit into the hole. Once you got it, take some super glue (gel works good, and set it in there.) Do not push down so far the hose blocks the opening at the bottom. I think it is about 1/4 inch down or so. Do the same for the other hole, although it will be a little tricky with the opening being flat on the end. Let the glue dry, then and some silicone around it to seal it. Run the hose that went into the full circle to the closet inlet to the TB. Take the hose into the the half circle and run that into the inake tube.

Now this is long but it is in detail. I have talking with MAyollo and he also agrees this will work. You can go to shop and have them drill the holes out or if you have a dood drill press.

I will install no matter what on Sunday. I have free time Sat Befroe the wedding to sneak in dyno time and maybe drag time.

So if anyone has anything to add feel free. I will take pics step by step this time to create a DIY possibly.

Thanks Ryan

[rbenkemeadow]

A little flaw in plans over the weekend. After the rehersal dinner I got sick. So Sat I came home for awhile and felt okay. I tried to get to the strip but did not have the energy. So no dyno and I might not get to the install today. I want to have time to take pics for step by step. So I am off Tue and Weds. I will start the install monday night or first thing Tues.

[rbenkemeadow]

Ok, I put the manifold on last night, and I agree with Ford. I put on the 63 mil tb from sr. I have no problems with the car running besides the idle acts up a little when stopped.

The reason for taking it off when I was on my way home from work tonight a honda civic with wheels, exhaust and others falls behind me. Up ahead the light is red so I go down to 2nd gear waiting for the light. Light turned green and he was a car length in front of me and got on it. Well so did I Pulled on him but way to slow. Then we got to another light from a dead stop. Light turned green I gave him another car length and still took in my opinion way longer than my stock setup. I really felt small and he thought I was fast because I caught up with him. So I think I will keep the TB, port the gasket to match, and port the manifold at the head opening.