Good New Daily Driver?

[Gun5]

I really want to get a daily driver in manual so I can get more practice with a 5-6 speed I'v been leaning towards a V6 3.8 Camaro (makes 200hp) will run around 6-7k for a nice one.. I want the car to be pretty quick (quicker then the lantra) and have more aftermarket and response to some mods (intake/exhaust maybe a few other things)

Why do I need a daily driver (and not as high car payments)? well I was leaning towards originaly just selling the elantra getting a 13k-14k loan and buying a nice Z28 or trans am (LS1 powered) although I decided no just get a cheaper one and through a few connections I found a 97 firebird formula new paint, shaved doors and a 383 LT1 Stroker (12k invested total in the motor) -- for $1,500 ran 11's before his rebuild just somecollege student that just needs to get rid of it i just have to drop the motor and 6 speed tranny in

thanks for any input guys

[BColeman]

Your answer is in your driveway: Hyundai Elantra, daily driver.

[Gun5]

Your answer is in your driveway: Hyundai Elantra, daily driver.

I cant/dont want todo the 310-340 car a month car payment I only make 650 a month my project car isnt going to get to far when the daily is taking more money :(

[BColeman]

Well, I know your pain, except I make double what you do, but I've got wife and kids to feed.

Are you prepared to sell your Elantra? The reason I ask this is because you will need a sizeable amount of money to cover the negative equity you have in the vehicle. Elantra's blue book/black book value are a lot lower than what you may think. That's why you can pick up an '01 or an '02 with less than 50K miles for under $5K. If that's your payment per month, man, you are in deeper than you know.

Check this out, I pay $356/mo, 12.8% interest, with $3250 negative. My last bill showed only $98 towards principal. I've had this car 9 months, and I still owe just over $17K on it. I bought the car at $12,870, but with neg. equity, taxes, and all the other B.S., it brought out to over $17K.

That being said, Kelley Blue Book for Trade-in with 14K miles, fully loaded GT, is only $11K, and that's the max the dealer would give. I'm looking at the original $3200 of negative equity, plus an additional depreciation negative equity of about $3K.

Hopefully you've thought this through enough, and can AFFORD to even sell your car.

If you are prepared to sell your car in this manner, then, DAILY DRIVER:

1) Come here to Orlando, I'll take you to a friends house in Ocala, FL. There you may hand over $2K, and drive home in a 1994 240SX Fastback, loaded with JDM S13 Silvia Front end conversion, built KA24DE motor (by him and myself), and all the other parts, including a spare 5-speed tranny.

2) By the $1500 car, and wait to have the motor and tranny installed

3) Go to JD Byrider (not sure if you've got that where you are at) - and pay weekly on a POS that might not run after a week.

[Gun5]

We only owe 13,500 on the car and I have 9,800 miles on it.. the car was bought about a year and 1-2 months ago for 17-18k by my parents for me

[BColeman]

Oh, okay, then you aren't as bad off as I first thought. You've got great mileage and you've paid down quite a bit. You still might have to pay a little, if someone doesn't want to pay what you owe.

Good luck in the DD search...

[evan938]

if youre paying 310-340/mo for an elantra, youre crazy. im BUYING mine for 235/mo with my dad cosigning and having really crappy credit, and im sure most of the people here arent paying much more

as for the formula, im not sure if youre saying 1500 for the motor or for the whole car, but either way, what do you think youre going to get in something for 1500$ that has "12k into the motor"

i think youre still young and naive and think that all this good stuff is going to be coming for you for next to nothing

youre what? 16? 17 now maybe? you dont need a fast car. especially a really fast car. youve been around here long enough and made enough threads that show you really arent mature enough to have something like that. youve messed up your car by trying to pass someone, you flip people off who end up spitting on your car, you brake check people which in turn pisses them off. i really dont mean to sound like a dick, but i dont think you should even have your elantra until you wise up quite a bit.

[Vampyrate]

personally, i was surprised with how much i got for my GLS when i totalled it, it had about 98k on the odo and i got 5k for it.

i was even complimented by the appraiser on the car mods that i had done. but anyway, as far as something that you are looking for, find a nice trans am from the late 80s early 90s and make that your project/DD car. that way, you have the best of both worlds

[Gun5]

if youre paying 310-340/mo for an elantra, youre crazy. im BUYING mine for 235/mo with my dad cosigning and having really crappy credit, and im sure most of the people here arent paying much more

as for the formula, im not sure if youre saying 1500 for the motor or for the whole car, but either way, what do you think youre going to get in something for 1500$ that has "12k into the motor"

i think youre still young and naive and think that all this good stuff is going to be coming for you for next to nothing

youre what? 16? 17 now maybe? you dont need a fast car. especially a really fast car. youve been around here long enough and made enough threads that show you really arent mature enough to have something like that. youve messed up your car by trying to pass someone, you flip people off who end up spitting on your car, you brake check people which in turn pisses them off. i really dont mean to sound like a dick, but i dont think you should even have your elantra until you wise up quite a bit.

yea well I didnt sign the papers saying to pay $310 a month my parents did I had to take over payments or lose my car.. the formula's engine is still sitting in the speed shop where it was completed it's basicaly brand new even if I dont keep it the car is a steal for the price considering a rolling one is $1,500 or so... I'v never messed up my car trying to pass anyone or been in any car wreck since i'v been driving no tickets either

personally, i was surprised with how much i got for my GLS when i totalled it, it had about 98k on the odo and i got 5k for it.

i was even complimented by the appraiser on the car mods that i had done. but anyway, as far as something that you are looking for, find a nice trans am from the late 80s early 90s and make that your project/DD car. that way, you have the best of both worlds

ya my friend has a 81 trans am with a 454 in it (auto though) nice fking car original paint still on the ***** to, him and his dad own probably 5-6 trans ams and a few GTO's together

[ArunSenior04]

Damn. Buy a used Elantra...

I got mine for under 6K last summer. 01 Elantra w/ 35k miles.

I think we had a topic like this from you a few months ago. I think the general consensus was that what you had was good for what you need. Reliable transportation, good gas mileage, relatively low insurance, and a nice car.

[paki]

the better daily driver is the camaro.. much better gas mileage!

(if you don't sense sarcasm in this comment, please have your head checked. thanks everyone)

[evan938]

ok, so youre lying now, or you were lying about this

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13802&highlight=wreck
let me quote you from this SAME thread
I hit his hubcap and area before the door

look at some of the threads you start
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14450
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13984
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13803
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12698
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11553

just review those. those are only from the first few pages of threads youve STARTED

like i said, i really think you need to mature up some before you go jumping into something else

[KeWLKaT]

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[PSUsouthpaw]

IMHO, keep the Elantra. Its an excellent Daily driver, even with automatic, it looks good, they are spacious and reasonable in payments. If you can be patient towards the long term, sink more cash into paying off your Elantra, cause the sooner its paid for, the sooner you can do more, bigger things.

If you are dead set on getting a project car, get something cheap and cheaper to build up, like an 80s T/A like was mentioned.

Or, if you can, work some major overtime and you'll be able to proceed with either plan a lot quicker. Just don't be like me (60-70 hrs/wk, little social life outside of work and EXD (although thats not entirely accurate, it does make a good point, to not be a workaholic))

[Gun5]

ok, so youre lying now, or you were lying about this

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13802&highlight=wreck
let me quote you from this SAME thread


look at some of the threads you start
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14450
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13984
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13803
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12698
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11553

just review those. those are only from the first few pages of threads youve STARTED

like i said, i really think you need to mature up some before you go jumping into something else

hm was there I know what happend and my friend gave me $800 instead of us going through insurance....I was going straight through the intersection when he decided to go the short way and cut me off thinking I would turn with him. I love how you bring up past **** over and over again making it a big deal thinking anyone really cares :D

[metalfetish]

I pay $200 a month for my 04 i bought with 26,000mi. $6250 mhmm.

[Gun5]

I pay $200 a month for my 04 i bought with 26,000mi. $6250 mhmm.

ya I told my parents over and over buy a used one its cheaper and I get ****ed in the end for them doing it... they wanted it because the warrenty which a used one would still have remaining warrenty on the engine/tranny in the end

[Estopatitiana]

paid 6500 cash for mine

you want a fast cheap car? a 1980s 5.0 mustang..im sure you can get them for a pretty decent price
throw on a centrifugal supercharger and youve got an easy 300 whp


or just buy a used accent

toss in a beta 2 off ebay
and your set

[evan938]

I'v never messed up my car trying to pass anyone or been in any car wreck since i'v been driving no tickets either

mmhmmm. ok. you say youve never been in a wreck, but you just said you got in one. i never said anything about insurance coming into it

im not bringing it up because i think anyone cares, im bringing it up to show you some of your immaturity. obviously you dont realize it.

trust me. i know exactly how you feel. i was 16 at one time. although it wasnt long ago (5 years) i was always thinking up ideas on how to get a new car, etc, which never happened.

heres something else i dont think you're thinking of. you claim you make 650 a month. lets take out some numbers and see what youre left with.

say you sped 25$/week in gas. thats about 100$/mo
money to go out on weekends (which i know is the cool thing in HS) 100$/mo
entertainment (ie, cd's, dvd's, video games) 50$/mo. right there knocks your income down to 400$/mo. im sure theres other things you spend your money on.

what year camaro do you plan on getting for 6-7k? probably going to be 7-8 years old. maybe more. i dont know of any banks, at least around here, that are going to finance a car for more than 2-3 years thats mor than 5 years old. so lets say you do get a camaro for 7k$. 2 year loan, interest at 7%, makes about a 330/mo payment. then with going from a 4 door family car to a high performance sports car, expect your insurance to double. especially at your age.

so for ****s and giggles, you spend 250$/mo for personal usage (ie, stuff listed above) a 300$ (rounding down) car payment, gives you about 100$/mo left over. what are you going to mod with that? even if you cut your personal spending in half, its going to be at least 7 months before you can even think about getting that motor, then youll need money to pay someone to do the swap (and please dont say youre going to do it yourself)

be happy with what you have now, wait till youre out of highschool and can get a little bit better job and make better money where something like this is possible. this is why most students have ****ty cars. in your case, you got lucky your parents are loaded.

like i said, im not saying this to try to be a dick or to downgrade you, im just saying you really need to take a few steps back, and look at the big picture. stick it out for a couple more years and then when youre financially able to do something, do it then. the mindset youre in now is the completely wrong on

[CTele02]

Evan evan evan... why do you even try to reason....

[Gun5]

mmhmmm. ok. you say youve never been in a wreck, but you just said you got in one. i never said anything about insurance coming into it

im not bringing it up because i think anyone cares, im bringing it up to show you some of your immaturity. obviously you dont realize it.

trust me. i know exactly how you feel. i was 16 at one time. although it wasnt long ago (5 years) i was always thinking up ideas on how to get a new car, etc, which never happened.

heres something else i dont think you're thinking of. you claim you make 650 a month. lets take out some numbers and see what youre left with.

say you sped 25$/week in gas. thats about 100$/mo
money to go out on weekends (which i know is the cool thing in HS) 100$/mo
entertainment (ie, cd's, dvd's, video games) 50$/mo. right there knocks your income down to 400$/mo. im sure theres other things you spend your money on.

what year camaro do you plan on getting for 6-7k? probably going to be 7-8 years old. maybe more. i dont know of any banks, at least around here, that are going to finance a car for more than 2-3 years thats mor than 5 years old. so lets say you do get a camaro for 7k$. 2 year loan, interest at 7%, makes about a 330/mo payment. then with going from a 4 door family car to a high performance sports car, expect your insurance to double. especially at your age.

so for ****s and giggles, you spend 250$/mo for personal usage (ie, stuff listed above) a 300$ (rounding down) car payment, gives you about 100$/mo left over. what are you going to mod with that? even if you cut your personal spending in half, its going to be at least 7 months before you can even think about getting that motor, then youll need money to pay someone to do the swap (and please dont say youre going to do it yourself)

be happy with what you have now, wait till youre out of highschool and can get a little bit better job and make better money where something like this is possible. this is why most students have ****ty cars. in your case, you got lucky your parents are loaded.

like i said, im not saying this to try to be a dick or to downgrade you, im just saying you really need to take a few steps back, and look at the big picture. stick it out for a couple more years and then when youre financially able to do something, do it then. the mindset youre in now is the completely wrong on

I havn't caused a wreck sorry lol, second time my car has been hit though anyways... gas money is payed by a friend that I drive to school/work and the only spending i'v done recently is got my oil changed in the car all my friends cover the fun stuff on the weekends cuz im driving them.. Me and my friend put his 6 back in his 93 camaro before he sold it 3 weeks ago and my dad knows how to put in engines aswell both have offered to help me out. If i dont have enough money todo my stuff and get screwed thats my problem Im just asking for good cars u can usualy pick up for 6-7k

[evan938]

can you please go back and edit your post and use some punctuation? i don't have a clue where i should've stopped reading and start back up again.

[hyunelan2]

Have you looked to see what your insurance rates are going to be on a Camaro - being as young as you are? It's horrifying. (I had a Z28).

As for a cheap daily driver, go find the cheapest used accord/camry you can find. Something that will do you nothing other than to and from work, so you're not tempted to put any money towards modding it, and you can focus on your other car. I've seen people with 1985 accords still operating in as good as they did in 1990.

[robs02elantra]

Evan, Hyunelan2, you both sound like my dad. And I have to say, IT'S A GOOD THING.

Man, the numbers all seem like they add up in your head right now, and that's making you excited, and then you look for other cars and it seems like you could make it work easily. When you finally go out and get this second car that you want so badly, everything is going to overwhelm you and you won't know what to pay first...then you're going to forget to pay something, or God forbid, not have enough money to pay for it all...then those lovely people at the bank are going to come over and take away the car.

I was looking into a second car for my wife this month, I've been talked out of it by my dad and my wifes dad who both agree that I'm not in the financial position to get one. Instead of getting all pissy at them and telling them that they are wrong, that they did it when they were in my same position, I'm going to heed their advice and stick with what we have. It makes the most financial sense.

Now the thing is, you need to realize that we are all not trying to ruin your fun. We would love nothing more than for you to go out and get the car that you really want. Just wait a few years, make a crapload of cash, and then get yourself the car you want. You will look back on all of this and instantly understand what everyone has been saying, it's an age that you hit when all of a sudden all that crap that people tell you makes sense. Right now though, you're going to hate us all for saying this and wish that you never started this thread, but in the end, it's for the best.

Have fun, and keep us informed of the route that you go for all of this.
Cheers
Rob

[05TidalWave]

mmhmmm. ok. you say youve never been in a wreck, but you just said you got in one. i never said anything about insurance coming into it

im not bringing it up because i think anyone cares, im bringing it up to show you some of your immaturity. obviously you dont realize it.

trust me. i know exactly how you feel. i was 16 at one time. although it wasnt long ago (5 years) i was always thinking up ideas on how to get a new car, etc, which never happened.

heres something else i dont think you're thinking of. you claim you make 650 a month. lets take out some numbers and see what youre left with.

say you sped 25$/week in gas. thats about 100$/mo
money to go out on weekends (which i know is the cool thing in HS) 100$/mo
entertainment (ie, cd's, dvd's, video games) 50$/mo. right there knocks your income down to 400$/mo. im sure theres other things you spend your money on.

what year camaro do you plan on getting for 6-7k? probably going to be 7-8 years old. maybe more. i dont know of any banks, at least around here, that are going to finance a car for more than 2-3 years thats mor than 5 years old. so lets say you do get a camaro for 7k$. 2 year loan, interest at 7%, makes about a 330/mo payment. then with going from a 4 door family car to a high performance sports car, expect your insurance to double. especially at your age.

so for ****s and giggles, you spend 250$/mo for personal usage (ie, stuff listed above) a 300$ (rounding down) car payment, gives you about 100$/mo left over. what are you going to mod with that? even if you cut your personal spending in half, its going to be at least 7 months before you can even think about getting that motor, then youll need money to pay someone to do the swap (and please dont say youre going to do it yourself)

be happy with what you have now, wait till youre out of highschool and can get a little bit better job and make better money where something like this is possible. this is why most students have ****ty cars. in your case, you got lucky your parents are loaded.

like i said, im not saying this to try to be a dick or to downgrade you, im just saying you really need to take a few steps back, and look at the big picture. stick it out for a couple more years and then when youre financially able to do something, do it then. the mindset youre in now is the completely wrong on

Honestly, I understand where you're coming from Evan. When you're 16 you always have ideas to get a badass fast car - one that will probably kill you. But this kid ain't gonna listen, better off to just ignore the threads posts. Gun, I made the same mistakes as you and I make a $290.46 payment on my Elantra. It's not that bad you won't get the reliability of a Hyundai in a TA... So factor repairs into your budget.

can you please go back and edit your post and use some punctuation? i don't have a clue where i should've stopped reading and start back up again.

****ing Hilarious.

[Gun5]

Have you looked to see what your insurance rates are going to be on a Camaro - being as young as you are? It's horrifying. (I had a Z28).

As for a cheap daily driver, go find the cheapest used accord/camry you can find. Something that will do you nothing other than to and from work, so you're not tempted to put any money towards modding it, and you can focus on your other car. I've seen people with 1985 accords still operating in as good as they did in 1990.


Elantra is $2,500 a year camar Z28 (2001) would run me $1,800 with same $100 deductibles... our family has 6 cars though and I'm 17 with no tickets/at fault wrecks


Honestly, I understand where you're coming from Evan. When you're 16 you always have ideas to get a badass fast car - one that will probably kill you. But this kid ain't gonna listen, better off to just ignore the threads posts. Gun, I made the same mistakes as you and I make a $290.46 payment on my Elantra. It's not that bad you won't get the reliability of a Hyundai in a TA... So factor repairs into your budget.



****ing Hilarious.

I know I can definitly afford getting the second car, ya it might not go anywhere for awhile but I want to practice working on stuff and later in the year when Im going to tstc's mechanical program and collision program I get access to all the tools up there.. as for the camaro It's going to run me around $160 a month and I was going to put a extended warrenty on it for 3 years 60k miles (motor/tranny/electrical which is another $30 a month ($997 total)

[evan938]

you may want to check again. young male drivers in sports cars are more costly to insure than any one else. there is NO WAY your insurance will go down. do you even have a clue what you were asking for as far as coverage when you checked your rates? call your insurance company, give them the VIN of the car youre looking to insure, they'll ask you a couple questions even you might be able to answer and give you your rate.

remember if you take a loan out to buy the camaro, you WILL need full coverage, as the bank will still own the car. you will need to keep your full coverage until the loan is paid off. this is how it is on your elantra right now if youre still paying on it.

even if by the grace of god your insurance does go down, you are still not mature enough to have a car like that. at all. like i said before, your parents should have bought you a 1500$ beater car like the other 90% of kids get until you can show you are mature enough to have something like that.

[fgummett]

Gun5... All I can say is that you seem to have already made your mind up, so why bother even asking for advice if you're not willing to listen when you don't like the answers... especially when you have quite a group telling you basically the same thing and even sharing their own hard-earned experience?

[Gun5]

you may want to check again. young male drivers in sports cars are more costly to insure than any one else. there is NO WAY your insurance will go down. do you even have a clue what you were asking for as far as coverage when you checked your rates? call your insurance company, give them the VIN of the car youre looking to insure, they'll ask you a couple questions even you might be able to answer and give you your rate.

remember if you take a loan out to buy the camaro, you WILL need full coverage, as the bank will still own the car. you will need to keep your full coverage until the loan is paid off. this is how it is on your elantra right now if youre still paying on it.

even if by the grace of god your insurance does go down, you are still not mature enough to have a car like that. at all. like i said before, your parents should have bought you a 1500$ beater car like the other 90% of kids get until you can show you are mature enough to have something like that.

nope my mom checked on the rates for me online and on the phone vin number for a 2000 Z28 6-speed those are the currect rates....trust me I was amazed to we called other companies and they where about $100 higher then the elantra its just driving for a year no record and our 6 cars like I said the camaro was qouted with the same coverage we have on the elantra

Gun5... All I can say is that you seem to have already made your mind up, so why bother even asking for advice if you're not willing to listen when you don't like the answers... especially when you have quite a group telling you basically the same thing and even sharing their own hard-earned experience?

I'm asking for opinions on a new daily driver, a v6 camaro is what have in mind but I'm open to other cars to that is the only advice I am looking for in this thread I'm not an idiot like everyone likes to think I am

[Estopatitiana]

your parents should have bought you a 1500$ beater car like the other 90% of kids get until you can show you are mature enough to have something like that.

lol that is so true!, although my first car was a hand me down

and if you want to save money on insurance, have your parents listed as the primary drivers..and get good grades..and no wrecks/tickets

[Vampyrate]

evan, my elantra was the first non beater... everything else i got for free and had to pay for from my own pocket to fix up (stupid friends of the family owning construction companies and needing to get rid of an old ford pickup).

[toymachine566]

suggestions......................

Your answer is in your driveway: Hyundai Elantra, daily driver.
;)

[hyunelan2]

Actually, I just checked out eSurance (would never use them) for a generic quote for an 18-year-old driver with no tickets/accidents, living at home, and being self-employed. A 1997 Camaro RS V6 was $3413/yr, while a 2004 Elantra GLS was $3795/yr. Yes, I'm shocked as well. This may be due to the liklihood of the Elantra being totalled if it were in an accident. To get around this, I also checked out a 2004 Impala, and 1997 Lumina, here's the totals for 1 year:

1997 Camaro LS: $3413
2004 Elantra GLS: $3795
2004 Impala LS: $3043
1997 Lumina LS: $2303

Sure enough, the Camaro is more expensive than the others I added in. Probable reason - Elantra is an import with a high liklihood of total loss, and a high likelihood of serious injury in an accident. Yes, the Camaro is expensive to insure, but so it the Elantra.

P.S. If you want to compare how much young people get bent over, I pay $1224/year for BOTH my wife and I on BOTH vehicles with the same coverage as the cars I listed above.

P.P.S. I looked at what E-Surance would charge my wife and I for the same coverage I have now, and it's $1181/year - so comparable to the big-boys out there $3.33/month difference.

[Gun5]

lol that is so true!

and if you want to save money on insurance, have your parents listed as the primary drivers..and get good grades..and no wrecks/tickets

yea my dad won't let us do the insurance thing like that, he's a ER Dr and we need all that protection... ya I get the $400 B average rebate thing and just dont have any wrecks/tickets

[Vampyrate]

yeah, i was listed as the primary driver on my parent's policy... i love state farm though, they never check grades, and i can alter them to be better if i really need the discount in the future :)

[Gun5]

Actually, I just checked out eSurance (would never use them) for a generic quote for an 18-year-old driver with no tickets/accidents, living at home, and being self-employed. A 1997 Camaro RS V6 was $3413/yr, while a 2004 Elantra GLS was $3795/yr. Yes, I'm shocked as well. This may be due to the liklihood of the Elantra being totalled if it were in an accident. To get around this, I also checked out a 2004 Impala, and 1997 Lumina, here's the totals for 1 year:

1997 Camaro LS: $3413
2004 Elantra GLS: $3795
2004 Impala LS: $3043
1997 Lumina LS: $2303

Sure enough, the Camaro is more expensive than the others I added in. Probable reason - Elantra is an import with a high liklihood of total loss, and a high likelihood of serious injury in an accident. Yes, the Camaro is expensive to insure, but so it the Elantra.

P.S. If you want to compare how much young people get bent over, I pay $1224/year for BOTH my wife and I on BOTH vehicles with the same coverage as the cars I listed above.

yea thats what I was doing to look at numbers before my mom called and I had her double check what had to be 3-4 times and 2 different people on the phone told her those numbers so I was happy

ya I looked at all our vehicles for a whole year (all have $100 deducts on them to)
05 Corvette - $1000
03 S430 - $1200
1994 E50 Van - $600
04 F150 - $750
Elantra $2800

[fgummett]

...I'm asking for opinions on a new daily driver, a v6 camaro is what have in mind but I'm open to other cars to that is the only advice I am looking for in this thread I'm not an idiot like everyone likes to think I am I don't think anyone here really thinks you are an idiot even though this thread has become a little heated back and forth. I think folks are questioning your reasoning (not your reason!)... you start off saying you want a cheaper to run, daily driver that has a manual transmisson (so you can practice shifting which I personally think is great!) and maybe something you can do some fixing up and modding yourself... I'm paraphrasing, so sorry if I misundertsood but that's what I got out of your original thread. That all sounds great so far but then you start talking about a V6 3.8 Camaro (makes 200hp) or a Z28, or a Firebird... do those sound like the car you initially described? No doubt they are fast, powerful, exciting cars and I would love to have one of them myself someday (I'm 47 by the way)... but I personally don't see them as daily drivers.

[evan938]

what you guys arent understanding is this

cops watch out for kids in fast cars. talk to anyone you want, i dont care. thats how it is. my buddy had a 2000 grand prix GT when he was 19/20. he probably got pulled over 5 times in the year and a half he had that car. know how many times ive been pulled over in my elantra? never. 2.5 years. i got one ticket from an accident, but its not something they came after me for. i drive a little more erradict (sp??) than him, but because its not a sports car, they dont mess with me. even with my exhaust being loud as hell.

i bet within the first 4 months you will get a ticket. speeding, drag racing, whatever it is. you want to talk about your insurance rates then? ive seen threads youve posted about getting pulled over, so dont act like youre the greatest driver on earth.

[Gun5]

I don't think anyone here really thinks you are an idiot even though this thread has become a little heated back and forth. I think folks are questioning your reasoning (not your reason!)... you start off saying you want a cheaper to run, daily driver that has a manual transmisson (so you can practice shifting which I personally think is great!) and maybe something you can do some fixing up and modding yourself... I'm paraphrasing, so sorry if I misundertsood but that's what I got out of your original thread. That all sounds great so far but then you start talking about a V6 3.8 Camaro (makes 200hp) or a Z28, or a Firebird... do those sound like the car you initially described? No doubt they are fast, powerful, exciting cars and I would love to have one of them myself someday (I'm 47 by the way)... but I personally don't see them as daily drivers.

I would not have over a V6 for a daily driver due to gas... a V6 3.8 is rated at 21 city 30-32 highway driving... as far as mileage goes

[evan938]

I'm not an idiot like everyone likes to think I am

can you at least start using some punctuation then??

[Gun5]

what you guys arent understanding is this

cops watch out for kids in fast cars. talk to anyone you want, i dont care. thats how it is. my buddy had a 2000 grand prix GT when he was 19/20. he probably got pulled over 5 times in the year and a half he had that car. know how many times ive been pulled over in my elantra? never. 2.5 years. i got one ticket from an accident, but its not something they came after me for. i drive a little more erradict (sp??) than him, but because its not a sports car, they dont mess with me. even with my exhaust being loud as hell.

i bet within the first 4 months you will get a ticket. speeding, drag racing, whatever it is. you want to talk about your insurance rates then? ive seen threads youve posted about getting pulled over, so dont act like youre the greatest driver on earth.

yea I'm sure someday I'll get a ticket defensive driving is there for me but I got a radar & scanner the moment anything beeps I slow down only reason I got pulled over was when I took a turn going into the sun on a gravel road and the back end went out for 5-10 seconds.. **** happens you learn from those experiences..

[evan938]

gun -

USE SOME PUNCTUATION!!!!!!!!!!!!

your last post was 2 sentences. should be at least 6 sentences

[Cypher]

ok ryan i'm going to jump into this thread for just a few words. i understand your desire to have a faster car and be able to mod it into something faster. but all of evan's points are very valid. you WILL get yourself into trouble if you have a faster car thats more fun to dick around with. you know it, i know it, everyone here knows it. you street race already in the elantra. you think you won't get ticketed for racing in a camaro? you've been arrested for shooting fireworks off for no reason at all. you and your friend were being dumb and he clipped your car and damaged it.

your immaturity shows through with every post you make. when i was looking at cars my parents made it a poiint that i COULD NOT get a sports car because i would be on their insurance (why i don't know when i pay it anyway) but even then i could understand why. cops will pick you off for being young and having a sports car. i guaruntee with the way you act you'll get ticketed within a couple of months of having a sports car. GROW UP and be glad that you have parents that will get you a brand new car. my car was used not that i'm complaining cause it was a killer deal. 42k 5 spd for 7k off the lot. the point is don't be an ungrateful brat. learn to care and grateful for what you have.

[evan938]

you know, i was just sitting here thinking about the situation, and heres what i came up with

buy the camaro. buy a z-28. get a formula firebird. whatever you want. once you do this, you will (hopefully quickly) mosey on over to ls1tech.com and less here. THEN, we wont have to have all these threads where you ask for opinions and dont listen, or a new audio thread every few days.

but please, do us all a favor and when you DO get pulled over and get a ticket or 3, please come back for a day so we can all flame you

[hyunelan2]

I think this thread has outlived its usefulness.

Closed.