Official E3 06' Thread

[ArunSenior04]

Ok. I dunno if any of you are big gamers like I am, but E3 (this biggest gaming conference) has begun. Use this thread for discussion. Good sources of info on E3: The-Magicbox.com , Ign.com .

Playstation 3 to be released in Nov.
$499 for PS3 w/ 20GB HD
$549 for PS3 w/ 60 GB hd

The controller will be the wireless dual-shock, but it will no longer have rumble. This is because it will now have a motion sensor in the controller.

[Tx_boy]

Do you think it will be better than the 360?

[omghi2u]

The question of will it be better or not I dont think is the right way to go about it. The question is who will produce the better games. The consoles are what they make of it, its left to the developers of the games to make that console great. Spec wise their both equal, while one may have more processors and the other might have more video power its all in the architecture of the design and how its used. For the next year 360 will be on top but until xmas 07 I dont think anyone will be able to say weather one is better than the other.

As for e3 news, I have 3 good friends there this week and will be providing me with day to day news and pictures. I'll pass the information along here as well.

[BlackElantraGT]

I think in the end, the PS3 will be better than the Xbox360.

The biggest advantage that the PS3 has over the Xbox360 is because of the Blu-Ray drive. I don't think HD-DVD will ever take off without Sony support. I think it will be the next Betamax. The market will not want 2 different DVD standards for Hi-Def DVD. Not only that, but the HD-DVD drive Microsoft is coming out with for the Xbox360 will only be good to play HD-DVD movies, so the games are limited to 8.4 GB Dual-layer DVD discs, whereas a single layer blu-ray disc holds more than 23GB I believe. So let's just say the graphical power of the 2 systems are the same, developers will have so much more to work with when the discs can hold so much more info.

As far as Nintendo, I still don't think it will be able to compete with the 360 and PS3, much like the GameCube didn't make much of an impact against PS2 and Xbox. They haven't released any real info about their system or the games, but they did say that it will not support HD. I think that is pretty stupid to not take advantage of today's technology. Having next generation graphics is pointless if it can't be viewed in Hi-Def. That's like having a 16 megapixel DSLR and using it only to capture pictures in 640x480 and printing it on regular paper on the fastdraft setting.

You guys can support Nintendo all you want and say how fun their games are, but Nintendo has been on the wrong track for way too long. They have no good 3rd party developer. Shigeru Miyamoto can only make so many good games. I grew up on NES and it's just sad to see their company make one mistake after the next.

[knottravesty]

Took the words right out of my mouth BlackElantra. I'm a big PS2 fan, have been since day one. In fact I'm just a big Sony fan all together, everything I buy, Camera, Tv. Everything is Sony. All the NextGen Games look AMAZING. I would love to get a PS3. I'm probably going to end up waiting awhile though. I do have to say that PS3 is going to be WAY better than 360. Just like PS2 was better than Xbox lol... But its all a matter of opinion, I know there are some Xbox lovers out there. The Nintendo Wii, looks like a great system due to the fact how easy its going to be to get alot of older and younger players into it due to the fact of the controller. Not to mention all the Playback, ANYTHING from NES up.... NES, SNES, N64, I mean i know I can't wait to get into another game of Goldeneye lol... I think its going to be amazing as well. 360 is definatly at the bottom of my list.

[paki]

Honestly when I heard the 360 not being backwards compatible (unless you buy the games' ROMs or whatever), it fell through the **** hole. It doesn't matter if they've changed that since the first statement, especially since the games aren't too hot on the 360 right now anyway.

PS3, the high price tag kicks you in the crotch. Other than that, fantastic system (from what I've seen)

Nintendo.. I've been a fan of forever. Although everyone is right in the fact that they are still slacking and making mistakes (not supporting HD as one of them), you have to consider this: Nintendo is geared towards younger gamers for the most part. I don't see elementary school students complaining about not having HD lol. Although I myself play a lot of Nintendo games, I don't mind it not having high definition.. mainly because we have one HDTV in my house and we don't use the HD functions

I believe that the gaming system after the Wii, though, will support HD because Nintendo will have no choice. As of last year it was predicted that in May of 07 all TV signals will convert to HD, and if you want to watch those signals on a normal TV you will have to use a convertor box. Needless to say, that date has been pushed back countless times because the FCC knows that not everyone will be pleased with this change, especially when you consider the costs. They are waiting for the economy to get better before making it mandatory for ATSC signals to be broadcasted and NTSC signals to be abandoned

[BlackElantraGT]

I think the problem Nintendo has is the fact that it's aimed towards a younger crowd. They're not taking into consideration that their demographics will change over time. Little kids aren't the ones with money to plop down on a new system and new games. What they also don't realize is that today's kids are growing up in a completely different world than when any of us grew up, and it's only been less than 20 years. Have any of you watched Sesame Street lately? A few weeks ago I saw Elmo teaching little kids about e-mail! Most of us didn't know anything about emails until we were teenagers or adults! The kids today have a much wider variety of entertainment to pick from... the computer, the internet, iPods and mp3 players, PS2, Xbox360, etc etc. Overtime, why would they want to stick with a mediocre system when their friends have Nextgen graphics on the PS3. Kids aren't completely stupid. Eventually they'll figure out on their own which system is better. Unless Nintendo wants to be the next Fisher-Price, I think it's time they change with the times.

[SuperGLS]

I think the PS3 is going to cost a little bit too much, sure there are people that can afford to pay $500 for a system, but they say they will have 2 million units to push at launch, I think they might have trouble selling them all. I don't see a drought like with the 360. Honestly I haven't been following it as closely as I did with the PS2, but I'm sure there are going to be lots of good games with beautiful graphics and the millions of crappy games with ok graphics, just like the PS2. The Playstation software has always been like that.

As for the Wii, it's going to be beautiful. Maybe not super nice graphics beautiful, but the overall gaming experience will be beautfiul. Nintendo is taking a step away from the norm, and not just going for better graphics. It's like what they have done with the DS. 16 million units sold so far and the software gets better every quarter. PSP sales even with a almost perfect screen and PS2 like graphics is still way behind. Nintendo wants the Wii to be for EVERYONE, whether that'll work or not is yet to be seen, but they have the right approach. I'd love to play a video game with the girlfriend every once and while. And the Wii controller should accomplish that, seeing her trying to figure out a GC or xBox controller is comical to say the least. And at half the price (estimated) of the PS3 it should affordable for everyone. That doesn't even mention the "Virtual Console" that knott mentioned, the free online play, and the Connect24 feature in which data can be sent to it all the time for constant updates from developers. I'll sum it up with a famous statement: GOOD STUFF.

PS: Video games are the only thing I spend more money on than the car.

[Vampyrate]

Reece, you have just cemented teh title of my nerd counterpart hahaha

ive been following E3 for about 3 years now

[CTele02]

Cmon dont forget about the ebay prices of Xbox360 when that came out... they would job from 400 to 1000.... and people actually would pay that much... so 500 is "reasonable" seeing how people wanted Xbox360 for more...
Nintendo is still king of the "portable" gaming arena with its legendary gameboys!!! And the fact that many of its games are classics and are great for all ages. Though remember there were some not so kiddy games like the resident evils and metroid.

[Keyan]

I'll sum it up with a famous statement: GOOD STUFF.



Damn straight.

[BlackElantraGT]

I guess I haven't been following to closely but what is this "Wii" you guys are talking about? Is that the new name for the Revolution?

As far as pricing of the PS3, $500 may seem like a bit of money for you, but at launch time, there won't be a shortage of people willing to shell out that much money, if not a lot more, to own the newest thing on the block. In fact, it costs Sony more than that to manufacturer the PS3, but the PS3 will be the reason why Blu-Ray will win the Hi-Def DVD war. Why spend $500 for a Hi-Def DVD player when for the same price you can get that AND a videogame system. With it being launched in Nov, if you thought the Xbox360 sales were crazy this past Xmas, just wait until Xmas '06.

[ArunSenior04]

Yes, the Wii ithe name of the next Nintendo console. I dont think the blu ray will cement the PS3. just take a look at the PSP. many functions != success.

[BlackElantraGT]

That name is not gonna last. Most people wouldn't know how to pronounce it. Would it be pronounced like Michelle Wie? Or is it pronounced like Why? Either way, that's an awful name for a next-gen system. By this point in time, Nintendo should have already decided on a name and branded their system before it was released. I don't think they have a clue as to what they're doing at Nintendo HQ.

I don't think Nintendo will be making consoles 10 years from now. Handhelds yes, but I think they're going to throw in the towel with consoles. My prediction is that they'll go the same way as Sega and end up just developing games. Miyamoto has TOO much say in their organization and the problem with him is that he's not a business man. He makes good games, that's it. Just because he doesn't want gory games or more adult oriented games doesn't mean Nintendo have to listen to one guy's opinions. Nintendo can't be the Guardians of the videogame industry. That's what parents are for.

They spent millions and years of branding the Nintendo image to u Generation X'er, only to give that all up to please a small minority of parents that don't even game to begin with. Very very stupid, Nintendo! Bad Stuff!!

BTW, I'm tired of people blowing the Revolution controller out of proportion. Who the hell wants to play a game with a remote control? Who cares if it's motion sensor or is gyroscopic?? Don't any of you remember "The Power Glove" We all know how much that bombed.

[ArunSenior04]

LOL people forget that it comes with a shell. The remote fits right in the shell, allowing for typical gaming.

[paki]

I think the main reason the Wii controller will be easy to use is because its simple yet effective. Remember the original NES controllers? Extremely simple and easy to use. Anyone from a year to 100 years or more could pick up that controller and know how to use it. Thats the main reason the Wii's controller will work great compared to PS & Xbox controllers

As far as the Wii's name goes.. yes. I hate it as well. The Revolution was a MUCH better name for it, but Wii did they change it? Who knows? lol

[BlackElantraGT]

Wii they changed the name, wii will never know lol

I wouldn't say that the NES controllers were a great design. It was just simple. Any controller with a D-pad and 2 main action buttons and 2 buttons for select-start would be easy to learn. At the same time, you were also limited to what you could actually do in a game. Look at the original Metal Gear on NES vs Metal Gear on PS2. If simplicity was the only thing we wanted from controllers, we'd all still be using the Atari joysticks or the PC joysticks of the 80's.

Again, it goes back to Nintendo's marketing to a very young age group. The GC's controller was designed for little kids who just mash on one big button. I find their controller to be insulting for people who actually want to play a real game.

[Alucardabyss]

Blu-ray imo is gonna suck ***. Sure it can hold a ton of space, but for one PS3 is $500 then games are gonna be atleast 70 im assuming. The main reason i want is a PS3 is because 1) Metal Gear Solid 4, i LOVE the MGS series and right now im tryin to get them all, but i'll need a PSP also to do that. 2) FFXIII Final Fantasy is also an awesome RPG only to beaten by Xenosaga for me. I'm even playing FFXI right now and have been for 2years. 3) I like to own all systems =D. 4) Gran Turismo, i mean come on GT is tge best racing games ever period.

[paki]

Again, it goes back to Nintendo's marketing to a very young age group. The GC's controller was designed for little kids who just mash on one big button. I find their controller to be insulting for people who actually want to play a real game.

Yeah, unfortunately Nintendo's marketing to the younger crowd will probably cause the end of them in the home console market.

As far as the GC controller goes, I think it was aimed towards human comfort more than just for little kids. When you think about it, what's the most common button used in racing games, sports games, and a few other games? the A button. I think the reason Nintendo made the A button so big was to go back to the whole simplicity and ease of use -- for any age player to be able to pick up the controller and be like "oh, so thats how I play it" without having to read through the instruction manual or get frustrated over it lol

And as far as finding the controller to be insulting to play a real game - remember that the games are aimed towards a family-oriented environment and not the hard core gamer.. so thats where that comes in. Xbox and PS2 controllers are aimed towards more mature gamers because they have more buttons and are a little more comfortable for bigger hands.

The PS3 will boast a ton of features, but if the average user doesn't know how to use the controller, how will they use those features they spent half a grand on? :)

[ArunSenior04]

Damn half a grand sounds horrible to spend on a video game system. Not to mention the games will be $70 each.

[BlackElantraGT]

Blu-ray imo is gonna suck ***. Sure it can hold a ton of space, but for one PS3 is $500 then games are gonna be atleast 70 im assuming. The main reason i want is a PS3 is because 1) Metal Gear Solid 4, i LOVE the MGS series and right now im tryin to get them all, but i'll need a PSP also to do that. 2) FFXIII Final Fantasy is also an awesome RPG only to beaten by Xenosaga for me. I'm even playing FFXI right now and have been for 2years. 3) I like to own all systems =D. 4) Gran Turismo, i mean come on GT is tge best racing games ever period.

Fill me in if I'm missing something, but did they announce that the games would be $70? I really doubt that the games would cost more than this because most people can't get past the pyschological mark of paying more than $59.99 for a game. The last time we saw prices that high were with SNES games like Street Fighter 2 and Final Fantasy 3, but that was because the cartridges were so expensive to produce back then. Discs on the other hand are much cheaper. When recordable DVD discs first came out, I thought to myself "I would never use this format because it's too expensive compared to CD-R". Now, I'm mainly burning DVD+R.

From my understanding, isn't the PS3 controller going to be similar to the PS2? You're right though, there is a point when the controller is too difficult to learn, but based on the PS, PS2, and Xbox controllers, most people can handle the current standard.

Now if they came out with an Atari Jaguar like controller, then yes, all of us would be lost with all the buttons.

[Alucardabyss]

yes but when DVD+R came out it was much more expensive, I remember not wanting to buy a DVD burner because they were much more then they are now. If they are willing to charge $550 for a machine the games will easily 70+. It costs A LOT to even devlope a game now so the designers. **** even the PS3 (from multiple sources I found) say that just at the start to start developing the PS3 cost 17.6 million dollars. That's before they started. Even to make the system it is from $725-$900.

Oh and YES it has been announced how much some games will be

At the CESA Developers Conference Hirokazu Hamamura, president of Enterbrain (publisher of Famitsu) talked about the price range of upcoming PS3 software. Much like Xbox and Xbox 360, he sees a significant price increase between PS2 and PS3. Hamamura-san forsees the cheapest PS3 software being at least $70 USD (EUR 57 / YEN 7,800) while the most expensive would be around $79 USD (EUR 65 / YEN 8,800). That will leave Canadian gamers paying $83-$94.

Perhaps Kutaragi was right and we should all just suck it up and get second jobs.

Sony is predicitng a 887 million dollar LOSS this year due to the PS3, where else to make up money is through the games. Almost every site I have read all say 70+ but I guess we will see later in the year.

[SuperGLS]

Wii is prounounced "we" just to get that straight. A name is a name, it doesn't matter. If you think about Dreamcast or xbox or Playstation, those are dumb names too. We have just gotten to used to them. Same thing will happen here. At the same time, the name differentiates (sp?) it from other Nintendo consoles where xbox 360 and PS3 just signal they are a new version of the same thing.

When I saw taht xbox 360 games were $60 (most of them) I starting laughing, that's a lot of money. I don't even like spending $50 on games and I'm a big video game player. The hardware for the Wii is similar to the GC which is/should keep development costs down. This could mean a lot of $40 games for the Wii.

Parents will see "$250 + $40 + $50 + $40 = $380" or "$499 + $60 = $559"

Who wins this holiday season?

Oh, one day I'll have an xbox 360, so I don't want to say anything bad about it, but if it's anything like my xbox experience it'll be Halo 3 and nothing else (by the way, the Halo 3 trailer is out on www.bungie.net).

[SuperGLS]

Playing a new FPS (or even the new Duck Hunt) with this is going to be the hotness.

http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revolution/image/article/707/707077/e3-2006-light-gun-shell-revealed-20060510113630447-000.jpg

Do you guys see the picture? For some reason I don't see it anymore.

[paki]

haha, the new duck hunt. Man.. I miss that game. I went to level 99 on the clay plate version, and then it dropped me down to level 0 and started me over again with the slow crap

[ArunSenior04]

The new sword game looks real cool.

New news: G4 says there will be two versions of the PS2. A simple $500 version, and a $600 version with a ton of other features. Ouch...

[Vampyrate]

Wii is prounounced "we" just to get that straight. A name is a name, it doesn't matter. If you think about Dreamcast or xbox or Playstation, those are dumb names too. We have just gotten to used to them. Same thing will happen here. At the same time, the name differentiates (sp?) it from other Nintendo consoles where xbox 360 and PS3 just signal they are a new version of the same thing.

When I saw taht xbox 360 games were $60 (most of them) I starting laughing, that's a lot of money. I don't even like spending $50 on games and I'm a big video game player. The hardware for the Wii is similar to the GC which is/should keep development costs down. This could mean a lot of $40 games for the Wii.

Parents will see "$250 + $40 + $50 + $40 = $380" or "$499 + $60 = $559"

Who wins this holiday season?

Oh, one day I'll have an xbox 360, so I don't want to say anything bad about it, but if it's anything like my xbox experience it'll be Halo 3 and nothing else (by the way, the Halo 3 trailer is out on www.bungie.net).


James, ever since "disc-ed" games came onto the market with the Jaguar, Saturn, and PS1, Nintendo focused away from being the best, to being the best and the cheapest (kinda like hyundai). yeah thats it, Nintendo is the Hyundai of consoles. and to think, Nintendo started out as a card game company and moved along similar lines as the atari system.

and whatever happened to the GameGear? that thing was badass and ahead of its time (just like everything Sega came out with other than the Genisis).

[BlackElantraGT]

Are you being sarcastic about the Genesis or are you for real? The Genesis was the ONLY thing Sega ever got right, even if it wasn't as nice as the SNES. I bet many of us still remember how badass Altered Beast, Golden Axe, and Streets of Rage was. And let's not forget, Michael Jackson's Moonwalker! Those games were great for their time.

I can name you all sorts of Sega ideas that bombed, including the GameGear, 32x, Sega CD, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast.

[Vampyrate]

i agree, Genisis was right on time, but not ahead of its time like everyother system...

that is why every other system failed.

i still have my genisis at home with NHL 95 on it, with my dream team saved on it (red wings go!)

[SuperGLS]

I bet many of us still remember how badass Altered Beast, Golden Axe, and Streets of Rage was.

I can name you all sorts of Sega ideas that bombed, including the GameGear, 32x, Sega CD, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast.

Those games are all the more reason to buy a Wii. Many of the first party Genesis games should end up on the virtual console feature. By the way, Streets of Rage (and 2) is an amazing game for those unfortunate enough not to have played it.

Oh, I had a Gamegear, and yep, it was cool but crap. Also I had/have a DC (two actually) and it's still one of my favorite games. Street Fighter Alpha 3 is the greatest 2D fighting game of all time.

[BlackElantraGT]

Sega's problem was that it was never in the #1 position to call shots, much like the Xbox is compared to the PS2. So the only way that it could really compete with Nintendo back then was releasing their consoles before Nintendo did. The Genesis was ahead of its time compared to the NES, but Nintendo followed up with the SNES and I bet some of you will remember how the SNES games would always have better graphics than the Genesis. For example, Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat 2, MK3, and the NBA Jam series. Those were the days when you had to go to the arcade to have the latest and greatest graphics. Ultraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Coooooooooooooooomboooo!

Then Sega tried to redeem themselves with the Sega CD and then the 32X, but by then Sony entered the game with the original PlayStation and it didn't take long for Sony to eventually jump up to the top. But in the end, I think Sega's downfall was the lack of 3rd party support. If you had to think up of one Sega Saturn title in 10 secs, most of you either couldn't remember or your answer would probably be Panzer Dragoon. I think Sega at least put up a good fight though till the end, because the Dreamcast wasn't too bad technology wise, but Sony just took over the market completely while Nintendo's fumbling around with the N64 and its cartridge based games.

So in my opinion, Sega was always ahead of its time for very brief moments until the next-gen consoles from competitors came along.

As far as Nintendo being the Hyundai of videogames, are you kidding me? Maybe the Hyundai of the early 90's, but not the Hyundai of today. Unlike Nintendo, Hyundai has only improved over the years, while still being affordable. If anything, Nintendo used to be the most expensive. Remember how bad *** Street Fighter 2 was in the arcade, that when it came out on the SNES you JUST had to have it? That game cost my parents more than $90 with tax when it first came out! We're complaining about how PS3 games might cost $70 in 2006...but back then some games were retailing more than $69.99. SF2 and Final Fantasy 3 were 2 of the most expensive games I remember. Even Mortal Kombat and the rest of the series were selling for at least $65, and the SNES version was always more expensive!

The Wii may be cheap compared to the PS3 and the Xbox360, but when you break down the features, the PS3's price tag actually isn't all that bad, especially if you have an HDTV to take advantage of everything. I bet many of us here use our current PS2 as our main DVD player. If I wanted to jump into the Hi-Def DVD right now, here are my options:

1) I can buy the cheapest player out there currently which is Toshiba's HD-DVD player for $500 and hope HD-DVD isn't the next Betamax

2) Buy Pioneer's Blu-Ray HiDef DVD player for $1800 and hope Blu-Ray isn't the next Betamax

3) Buy a $500 Sony PS3 that already supports Blu-Ray. Even if Blu-Ray didn't survive, I still have a next-gen videogame console that's more powerful than either the Xbox360 or the Wi.

The choice is plain and simple. I currently have a 1080p TV set and many other people are in the same boat as me, which is the fact that we have few 1080i/p source. The PS3 will solve all the problems that any HDTV owner currently faces. Even if you're not going to use it for the Hi-Def DVD, you still have a 1080p upconverting DVD player now.

As far as the Virtual Console is concerned, yeah those games are great but truthfully, how many of us are really going to play those old games, especially if we have to pay for them? We always get nostalgic but most of us don't play these games anymore. And if we do want to play them, you can find emulators and roms easily online for any of the games...for FREE! Heck, some of the games you can even play in Flash. An emulator isn't even required. I think the VC is more of a gimmick.

People make such a big deal about backward's compatibility but most of us never even use the feature. Be real now, when was the last time any of you loaded a PS disc into a PS2? Usually if a game was SOOO great, there's usually a newer and better sequel. Why play Tekken when you can play Tekken 4 or 5. The games that don't have sequels usually sucked to begin with. You'll probably never wanna play it again.

I don't care too much for backward's compatibility, but at least Sony made the effort to make it work with all of its previous machines. No need to pay or download anything onto your machine. It'll even run faster and now be displayed in Hi-Def compared to before. You can't say the same about the Xbox360 nor the Wii.

I'm not much of a gamer anymore, but PS3 = Good stuff, for gamers and non-gamers.

Wii = High tech fisher-price for Kids, or guys who have 4-8 equally geeky friends to play Mario Party with, and secretly have sexual fantasies of rescuing the princess and having a three way with her and Toad while Mario and Luigi just watches and weeps.

[paki]

Wii = ... guys who ... secretly have sexual fantasies of rescuing the princess and having a three way with her and Toad while Mario and Luigi just watches and weeps.

****! you found me out. I'm gonna throw a fireball at your ***!!

[ArunSenior04]

Good points people.

Hell yea, Nintendo used to be expensive to play. Especially those N64 games. They ranged from like $50 to $90.

IMO the Wii looks real interesting. I dunno if any of you are watching G4s coverage, but it looks awesome to play. I cant wait to get a hands on with it.

[Vampyrate]

i agree with your argument for the most part. especially the N64 fiasco trying to stay ontop agains the cd'd competitors. but i must say that the best part of the N64 was starfox 64.

As far as great games, i dont remember the console but it was a tank game that you could only get on ebay for about $600 and it was a 30min startup process for the game.

[ArunSenior04]

Star Fox, Goldeneye, Mario kart, WOrld is Not ENough, Perfect Dark, DOnkley Kong, Mario 64, SUPER SMASH BROS, long *** games of Mario Party (me and my friends use to play the 60 turn games; by the end of the 2-3hr game, you would be ready to fight someone lol)

There were tons of good games on the N64.

I think people that buy the Wii, for other than the controls, have to recognize that these are games you cant get anywhere else. Nintendo games are like no other games. Thats why I will be buying a Wii. If the only games they have, are Nintendo games, I would be happy.

[Vampyrate]

dont forget the emulated burgertime and of course, reece, look at yoru sig!

that game has kept nintendo alive for a long time.

[ArunSenior04]

O yea, lol howd i forget about Zelda. I kno I will buy a Wii. Zelda, Super Smash Bros, and that new mario game seals the deal. LOL

Check this link out ppl:

http://the-magicbox.com/0605/game060510f.shtml

[Vampyrate]

i remember seeing a thread online somewhere where this guy built a comp with a PS2, Atari, and NES into the same case and off the same PS as his TOL comp.

[SuperGLS]

BlackElantraGT... tell us how you really feel, ha.

I read an article earlier today in which Peter Moore (I think that's his name) from Microsoft was saying "Who the hell is going to pay $600 for a PS3 when you can buy a 360 and a Wii for the same price.... that's what people are going to do."

I agree, in fact, I'll be one of those people. Wii now and 360 later after some price drops.

Reece is right on it though, Twillight Princess + Mario Galaxy at launch = GAME OVER.

[Vampyrate]

think about it this way, game consoles are like car audio, people only go for the tried and true tested name brand. Nintendo is one of them. They have been around forever and almost every generation of child from the 70s forward know of at least 1 regular NES game

[ArunSenior04]

Super you must have not clicked that link I posted.

(Pics of Superr Smash Bros Bash)

http://the-magicbox.com/0605/game060510f.shtml

The game looks awesome.

[SuperGLS]

Reece, is it still going to be a launch title? I thought it got moved back? Or is that Prime 3?

[BlackElantraGT]

BlackElantraGT... tell us how you really feel, ha.

I read an article earlier today in which Peter Moore (I think that's his name) from Microsoft was saying "Who the hell is going to pay $600 for a PS3 when you can buy a 360 and a Wii for the same price.... that's what people are going to do."

I agree, in fact, I'll be one of those people. Wii now and 360 later after some price drops.

Reece is right on it though, Twillight Princess + Mario Galaxy at launch = GAME OVER.

Microsoft acts as if they're console is cheap, but to me it's actually more expensive if you add the HD-DVD drive they're supposedly coming out with. They're system will cost about the same, if not more than the PS3 with this addon, and the crappy part is you're stuck with 720p resolution, not 1080p like the PS3. And how many people are going to spend between $100-$200 (my guestimate) just to add on a HiDef DVD player for movie purposes only? If the Sega CD wasn't successful and Nintendo never released its add-on drive for the N64, what makes MS think people are willing to shell out extra money to play only Hi-Def movies?

And based on previous history, Sony always kept quiet about their prices and let the public fuss about the high price, only to release their systems at a lower price than what the public expected.

I personally hate Sony proprietary crap because most of the time it's not successful and it's always more expensive. But this time around I think they are going to be the ones shaping the HiDef DVD market because HD-DVD doesn't have a stronghold over the market yet. As long as the pricepoint is reasonable, the PS3 is going to sell like hotcakes. Unfortunately this will be good and bad for the consumers. The good being we have a HiDef DVD format that's likely to stay, but the bad part is that Sony is going to make a HUGE profit from Blu-Ray. Get ready to pay a lot more for your movies.

If I worked for Nintendo, I would make an adult-oriented Mario Party game. Imagine using your Wii-mote as if you were jacking off, and the first to get their character to play with their Wii-Wii and bust a nut first, wins! I'd pay for that!

[Alucardabyss]

Only bad thing about an adult mario party game is....it would ruin the Nintendo kid factor big time i assume, that's why resident evil being remade on the GC was a HUGE surprise to me. Capcom stuck with Sony till Veronica which then they made it for PS2 and Dreamcast. dumb campcom.

[Nerraux]

I read an article earlier today in which Peter Moore (I think that's his name) from Microsoft was saying "Who the hell is going to pay $600 for a PS3 when you can buy a 360 and a Wii for the same price.... that's what people are going to do."

I hate Microsoft, but I heard that on a podcast today and nearly fell out of my chair laughing. He made another good point too - he said the stat sheets say that Sony has 66% of the gaming market and Nintendo and Microsoft each have 17%; but the truth is, MS has 100% of the next gen market, and Sony made sure they have it for a year.

Whatever you think, he's right. Sony really dropped the ball on this. If they would have been 4 months behind like they were supposed to be, they could have easily made it through, but a year is big. Ask any tech CEO and he'll tell you he'd rather be first than best any day of the week. Look at AOL, look at Amazon, look at iTunes - all inferior juggernauts purely by virtue of time.

And BlueRay? I guess we'll see. HD-DVD can easily take that market away from Sony, all they have to do is play the Japanese/drug dealer game better. Sell it really cheap, get them hooked, jack up the price - you win every time. Look at Honda. How long were they in the US before anybody called them anything other than Jap Scrap? 20 years? They just sold cheap and flooded the market, now they have a better name than any US manufacturer. BlueRay might be good 2 years from now when I can afford it. I can get HD-DVD today.

EDIT: The best thing Sony has going for them in this case is that people with HD-TVs are still the VAST minority of the market. If they get lucky, HD TVs will start to become available at a realistic price around the time their console is coming out. That could make the difference.

It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. I'm pulling for Sony, but they really look like SEGA at the moment.

[BlackElantraGT]

I think you guys are all right about how fun Nintendo games are, but from a business standpoint, Nintendo has gone down the hill by catering ONLY to a younger crowd. They need to quit listening to Shigeru Miyamoto and start catering to a wider demographic, especially since they (Nintendo) are the ones who really started this industry. They leave their original supporters with no option but to go with Sony or Microsoft. RE4 should have opened up their eyes and made them realize that there is a demand for games geared towards an older crowd. Let Shigeru make his kiddies games if he thinks that's the morally right thing to do, but don't let him affect their business.

[ArunSenior04]

The only thing I mad at Nintendo for doing, is letting Silicon Knights go. SK was a 2nd oarty dev for Nintendo. They made the underrated Eternal Darkness, and the now 360 Title, Too Human.

I think another thing people fail to realize, is that Nintendo is the only console maker, that makes alot of games for its consoles. Just look at Sony, and Microsoft. Most of their great games come from 3rd party publishers. This last gen, Nintendo was able to increase its 3rd party support (we see with Final Fantasy, Resident Evil games, etc etc.) The onyl great franchises made by Sony (God of War, and GT) and Microsoft (Just Halo.)

What makes Nintendo unique, is that it has great games that cannot be found other systems. This is what makes them special. The same cannot be said for the majority of games found with Microsoft, or Sony.

Since games, IMO, make the console, this gen, the 360 may beat the PS3. I was reading about the cell proc in the PS3, and that it is a ***** to program.

[SuperGLS]

It wouldn't be Mario Party for adults, it would be something different with the same ideas. Not Mario jacking off. But, that is a good idea, haha.

Keep in mind that Nintendo is attempting to reach EVERYONE with this, not just kids (who they have hooked) and "hardcore" gamers. We tend to think too much that people like us are the only people that will play video games, which isn't the case if Nintendo can pull it off.

To be honest, I'm a little skeptical about how accurate the Wii controller can be, from the videos of Twillight Princess and other games it looks pretty damn good.

[BlackElantraGT]

I hate Microsoft, but I heard that on a podcast today and nearly fell out of my chair laughing. He made another good point too - he said the stat sheets say that Sony has 66% of the gaming market and Nintendo and Microsoft each have 17%; but the truth is, MS has 100% of the next gen market, and Sony made sure they have it for a year.

Whatever you think, he's right. Sony really dropped the ball on this. If they would have been 4 months behind like they were supposed to be, they could have easily made it through, but a year is big. Ask any tech CEO and he'll tell you he'd rather be first than best any day of the week. Look at AOL, look at Amazon, look at iTunes - all inferior juggernauts purely by virtue of time.

And BlueRay? I guess we'll see. HD-DVD can easily take that market away from Sony, all they have to do is play the Japanese/drug dealer game better. Sell it really cheap, get them hooked, jack up the price - you win every time. Look at Honda. How long were they in the US before anybody called them anything other than Jap Scrap? 20 years? They just sold cheap and flooded the market, now they have a better name than any US manufacturer. BlueRay might be good 2 years from now when I can afford it. I can get HD-DVD today.

EDIT: The best thing Sony has going for them in this case is that people with HD-TVs are still the VAST minority of the market. If they get lucky, HD TVs will start to become available at a realistic price around the time their console is coming out. That could make the difference.

It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. I'm pulling for Sony, but they really look like SEGA at the moment.

If this were true, Sega would still be producing consoles today. A year is nothing for Sony, because PlayStation is such a HUGE worldwide brand. Not to mention, Microsoft couldn't even produce enough machines. It took them 6 months after their initial release for the general public to finally be able to easily get a hold of one, and now potential Xbox360 customers might be waiting for the PS3 or the Wii. I will guarantee you that MS's supposed one year lead will only take Sony a few months to catch up. For every Xbox360 sold, I'm sure Sony could sell 2 or 3.

And if you think $500 is too much to spend on a videogame console, how many of these same people are gonna go out to spend $500 on an HD-DVD standalone player, and then another few hundred on a next-gen console?

Arun, I think Nintendo needs to take less focus from making games into making consoles, otherwise they'll end up like Sega and they'll only be producing games. Nintendo is not THAT unique. The list of great games to pick from is much bigger on the PS2 than the GC. How is anyone supposed to take Nintendo seriously if their best racing game is Mario Kart, compared to GT4 and Forza.

[ArunSenior04]

I didnt say Nintendo consoles had better games than PS consoles. What Im saying tis trhat the majority of good games on both the PS3, and 360, are by 3rd party developers (companies they dont own.) If you want to compare, first party, SOny and Microsoft dont even compare to Nintendo. What I was saying is that, the good games arent from Sony and Micro, but the 3rd party companies who choose to develop for them.

Befoire the Ps2, you would think that SOny had all the good games. After PS2, the only exclusive franchises they still have is GranTurismo. They lost their major games to their competitors. (GTA, Re, FF, etc etc)

What makes Nintendo unique, is because of all the first party franchises, that you will never find another system.

[paki]

Nintendo's games have EXTREMELY high replay value. I've played GT4 and Forza, and honestly I can say that Mario Kart kicks their ***. I find myself playing mario kart for N64 to this day, while GT4 has been collecting dust on the shelf

As far as Nintendo trying to get more 3rd party in on the Gamecube.. I think you may be mistaken. Because the Gamecube was the only system that did not really support online play (they had a broadband adaptor but that didn't work out too well.. only a few online games and now all the servers are shut down), lots of third party developers went to PS2 and Xbox. With the Wii, there will be online play, meaning lots of third party developers will jump on board.

BlackElantraGT makes a good point with Blu-ray DVD players and how they will cost the same as the PS2 - but think of it this way. Back in the 60's, color tv was the hottest thing, but only a handful of people had it. Sure, other people wanted it to, but it just wasn't affordable, so they stuck with the black and white. I see Sony & Blu-ray like that. They will be the color TV that everyone wants, but will not get for many years to come.

Xbox 360.. until they get some better games out and lower prices, I see it going nowhere.

Nintendo has maintained decent prices with family oriented games. Who wouldn't wanna break out Mario Kart Double Dash and whoop their cousin's ***? How about games like Zelda and Metroid? The thing Nintendo really has going for them is that over 50% of their games are surreal, vs PS2 and Xbox which aim for the realism factor. Sometimes you just have to get away from life to know what you're doing, and that is what Nintendo is trying to do

[ArunSenior04]

And yes, exclusivity matters. Why buy a PS3, when you can get the same game on the 360. Exclusive games, make the console. People want to buy a system, where they feel has the greatest gaming experience. If the 360 and PS3 have the same awesome games, it comes down to the exclusives. Halo or GT4.

[knottravesty]

Well I'm not going to write a whole huge paragraph because Black Elantra says everything I would say lol.... PS3 is going to top over and crumble 360. Now in all rights I really have to say that I might pick up a Wii as well...The only real thing Wii has going for them, is their Wiimote lol... Other than that, thats about it. But a PS3 is DEFINATLY #1 on the list. And I'm not going to waste any money on any other consoles until I get my PS3 lol...

[SuperGLS]

Apparently other than GT a lot of people are going to want PS3 so they can play MGS4. I hear it's a wondeful franchise, but I've never played a single minute of it.

I'll second Paki's comment about how much Forza I've played as compared to MK:DD. I think Forza is an amazing game in ALL respects, but Mario Kart is more fun to play with friends. That's what makes Halo 2 so fun for me, it's a GREAT game, but I've maybe played the campaign for 2 hours max, but I've played online with friends for hundreds (perhaps thousands) of hours. Wii will take advantage of having GREAT games that are FUN to play with your FRIENDS online for FREE. It's hard to beat that.

The HD argument doesn't work for me, HDTV's are still well out of the price range for most people. Could I afford a 42" or bigger Plasma or LCD? Sure. But would it be financially responsible to buy one? No. And it won't be for years. I'm sure others are in the same boat. Next generation perhaps.

[ArunSenior04]

^Truth. Until then, I will just have to enjoy my Daewoo tv. The issue over HD isnt an issue, as it caters to such a small market.

[Alucardabyss]

You haven't played MGS O_o. If you have a GC, go out and get Twin Snakes NOW. Then get MGS2: Substance, then get MGS3: Subsistance. The collecters edition comes with like 4 disks and some kool features. I'm gonna get it soon. What I like about it is you can be stealthy or you can go rambo and just shoot like crazy.

With the special Edition of MGS3 you get Metal Gear 1 and 2 (the NES ones), online play, some secret theater, and the 3.5hr movie of the games cut scenes

I'm just hoping I can get the MGS Saga Vol.1 thing also =P

[Vampyrate]

there was only 1 racing game that im addicted to (other than NFS:MW) and that was a very old Colin McCray (i think thats his last name) Rally Racing game.

other than that i only like the sony platform for GTA series. i mainly play computer games, and i must say, other than halo, NFS, and GTA i dont play console games at all... hell last thing that i got was a DC ages ago! and i sold that a long time ago.

[knottravesty]

You were close it McRae lol... I'm an avid Rally Racer fan lol... Definatly good games

[Vampyrate]

glad to see another race fan! since i dont have satillite here at school, i stick to watching WRC clips whenever i can.

[ArunSenior04]

I just found out today that Snake will be in the new Super Smash Bros.

AwesomefitastiEstopatianofungood-ness!

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/670/snake8vf.gif

[paki]

lol.. i've got a video of the new super smash bros :).. too bad its 55mb and i don't want to upload it!

[SuperGLS]

Reece, I linked you to the video like a week ago. What have you been doing?

Forget Snake though, Metaknight is in it.

[ArunSenior04]

LOL I watched it, but when Super Smash bros came up, i thought it was over. LOL