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[HyundaiDude]

Would you try and sell your 06 GLS because of the bad side impact performance and lack of anti lock brakes?

thanks friends

[QuickSilverGT]

If its an 06, you just bought it and have already been hit with the depreciation. You could take your loss and jump **** now, or you could get your moneys worth and keep the car till it craps out on you or you can flat out afford to just upgrade... its a hyundai forum so the latter of the two doesn't seem likely. I wouldn't though, it doesn't bother me much.

[OPZ]

Honestly with how many trucks and SUVs out there today, no car is safe really. And i've drivin my car through 2 Pennsylvanian winters (which are REALLY bad sometimes) and I have no ABS or TCS and it did just fine. Just be smart and remember to slow down the driving, brake early, and if stuck dont romp on it, just ease it out till tires grip.

[evan938]

ive had 2 somewhat bad accidents in my car and i came out fine in each. first one i clipped someone in the rear, damaged my front pass corner, headlight, rad core support, fender was demolished, hood, little more inside, i drove away. last winter, icy road on a turn, drifted across the road, into a ditch, clipped a phone pole, destroyed my drivers side fender, front door, mirror, and part of the back door...again, drove out of the ditch. only problem was the fender cutting into my tires a little bit, but since it was damaged, i pulled it out and it was fine. drove on it like that for ~2 months or so

the car is actually a lot safer than you may think. everyone who has posted pics of accidents (especially where they rear ended someone) shows the car doing EXACTLY what it is meant to do and accordian-ing up in the front, keeping the passengers/drivers safe(r). stick with it. its a good car

[HyundaiDude]

Thank you. I'd really like to see a lot more crash pictures if I can find them on here. I think consumer reports gives this car a bad vibe by saying that it has bad fuel economy, which they say in different parts of their site in different ways.

I am not a great car mechanic and I feel like I can tell that if i had the chiltons or haynes manuel for my 2006 GLS, that I would learn a lot about this car. Does this book exist?

The car is safer than I have been giving it credit for, however IIHS is saying that a Cobalt with side air bags is much safer than an elantra with side air bags. Just like Prius and Corrola are also safer with side air bags. It's this side impact performance that concerns me. In the heat of the moment I would hope I could prevent or lessen a side impact crash, by reacting well.

Well I'll close this discussion for now because the humidity here is killing me.

thanks

[Mad_Hatter]

here you go.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/BillyWilson/Grill.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/BillyWilson/Side.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/BillyWilson/FrontD-Side.jpg
-bill

[OPZ]

Just check out the elantra obituary's page for a lot of the crash pictures.

[HyundaiDude]

forbes.com lists the elantra as a good and safe car for a college student. They also rip the car to shreads in another article.

Forbes.com could not possibility have less of a leg to stand on. The magazine equates wealth with an identity. It tells you that driving a BMW is a real status symbol.

The truth is the same as it's always been, and the truth is a lot closer to the fact that if you need a Lexus to live. Then you are not living, you are merely having the illusion of life. If you had a substantial life to being with, you wouldn't have read in forbes that you should get the lexas.

I drive a Hyundai Elantra because my 1988 Caddilac Deville that my friend sold me, stalled on a active highway for no reason.

I could just barely pay for the car in cash, so I picked one up. I might keep it for ten years or I might change for safety reasons.

Just remember if you're like me, using your quality and fun elantra, to goto two jobs and take you to some concerts and bars. Maybe to take you to a gig your playing in...

Then you don't have to check in with forbes.com so that they can remind you what it's like to live in a sheltered neighborhood. You don't have to use them like a social copycat. If you're like me and too busy living your life your way.

Then it's up to you all if you want to drive the Elantra.

Forbes.com can kiss my butt. It's like an instruction book for yuppies and lacks anything truly meaningful.

It's all style and no substance. Their two articles on the Elantra list the car as safe in one article and highly unsafe in the other article.

Forbes.com is the real peace of crap, not my car.

[Mad_Hatter]

...umm ok?....pointless rant?
-bill

[Gregster]

Thank you. I'd really like to see a lot more crash pictures if I can find them on here. I think consumer reports gives this car a bad vibe by saying that it has bad fuel economy, which they say in different parts of their site in different ways.

I am not a great car mechanic and I feel like I can tell that if i had the chiltons or haynes manuel for my 2006 GLS, that I would learn a lot about this car. Does this book exist?

The car is safer than I have been giving it credit for, however IIHS is saying that a Cobalt with side air bags is much safer than an elantra with side air bags. Just like Prius and Corrola are also safer with side air bags. It's this side impact performance that concerns me. In the heat of the moment I would hope I could prevent or lessen a side impact crash, by reacting well.

Well I'll close this discussion for now because the humidity here is killing me.

thanks

I get 30+ mpg's at 70+ mph on my 04 automatic.

Greg

[Roasted]

What is this talk about bad side impact ratings? Hell, everytime people say that I google crash test results and EVERY SINGLE TIME I dig up MULTIPLE web sites claiming 4/5 ratings for side impact. Is a 4 such a bad thing? Seriously? Am I missing something?

And no. I'd be very satisifed with your vehicle and keep it. My Pontiac had ABS, and my 01 GLS does not, however I have yet to have any "regret" or desire to have ABS again, because quite frankly ABS WILL NOT SAVE YOUR *** in a bad situation. If you brake with common sense and downshift (whether auto or manual) you should be fine... ABS won't make a huge amount of difference there. Same goes with 4 wheel drive. I've driven SUV's with 4 wheel drive, then again I've driven a front wheel drive 6 cylinder Grand Am in 2 foot of snow. Both situations, I've been fine, and both vehicles (believe it or not) reacted extremely similar. I think that's because of my driving style, not because of the drivetrain/body style in each vehicle. Moral of the story: Drive smart with common sense.

[PJB]

Honestly I bought the car I did due to its lack of ABS. I cant stand ABS.

Also theres probably no Chiltons book for these cars simply because you dont need one, especially for an '06. You have a full warranty that covers everything so it would be pointless to do more than routine maintenance on a brand new car. I dont think you need a manual to figure out how to change the oil or air filter.
If you do maybe you should let somebody else do it.

[Mad_Hatter]

me personally, i hate ABS...to many people use it as a "safety net". I cant stand riding with someone on an icey road and they are comming up on a stop sign too fast and they just say "dont worry i got ABS" like its some sort of miricle cure for bad roads. If you drive without it your set, you (should) get to learn the car and its responsivness to your driving habits on bad roads. In shrt, i love not having ABS because it makes me feel more confident in my driving abilities.
-bill

On a side note: i dont like seatbelts either: they are little nylon strips of death, damn safety features!

[HyundaiDude]

Roasted:
Let's chill B, on this 4th of July. Seriously, if you goto consumer reports or IIHS website, you will see a poor, not four star rating for side impact crashes. A rating of poor is like saying, one star. I do note, that the only reason our beloved cars come close to poor is because of torso damage. I think that means, that the side impact air bags don't come down far enough. It's only a poor rating in the torso and it got a poor because of that.
No need for us to get defensive here today, yet I think this car is clearly tested as having vital shortcomings in side impact crashes.

have a great 4th

PJB:
I wanted a Haynes manuel to start learning about the more complex operations of the car

just to be extra clear...........
IIHS says
Driver side impact
head neck: good
torso: poor
pelvis/leg: acceptable
head protection: good
structure, cage safety: marginal

overall: poor

[05xd]

A safety rating of 4 out of 5 is not bad.They did these side impact test with a simulated SUV striking the car.Come on FFS,if a SUV strikes anything other than a tank,it's goin to f things up.ABS? Who cares? If someone bought a car without doin their research on it then thats their fault.At this point if you trade it in,prepare for a ripping.

[hyunelan2]

Here is the actual results from the NHTSA government website. It shows 4 and 5 star ratings for side impact (cannot directly link the page, but you can go here and put in a 2006 Elantra to get the results):


http://www.safercar.gov/

[HyundaiDude]

The point is that the 4 out of 5 stars is a completely meaningless statistic. That four out of five stars means literally nothing. It's like giving a high grade on a test to a student who did no work, in this case for the purposes of the government being able to make certain claims as what they can pretend they are doing to protect us.

The meaningful test is the IIHS test. Look at the IIHS test. And also it should be noted that other small cars, with side impact bags pass the test. The Elantra does not pass that same test.

[hyunelan2]

Look beyond the star rating (click on the car listed) and look at the specific data. That is what is more useful than stars or "good, poor, bad" generalities.

[Roasted]

The point is that the 4 out of 5 stars is a completely meaningless statistic. That four out of five stars means literally nothing. It's like giving a high grade on a test to a student who did no work, in this case for the purposes of the government being able to make certain claims as what they can pretend they are doing to protect us.

The meaningful test is the IIHS test. Look at the IIHS test. And also it should be noted that other small cars, with side impact bags pass the test. The Elantra does not pass that same test.

Heh, I'm not so sure if it's the most meaningful test here. It's that test vs about 40 other tests I've seen, and ALL of the other tests I've read are identicle in their results, only further ensuring that the information is more than likely correct.

I wasn't getting defensive, I just had enough of keeping my mouth shut when I heard people speak of the poor crash test ratings. I mean, I've been on government web sites that PERFORM these crash test ratings, and THEY all say 4/5, just like everything else I've seen.

Regardless, you're right. 4/5 doesn't mean you're invincible, though it does make me less paranoid knowing I'm in a safer vehicle. The real "crash test safety rating" depends on your driving. If you're the type who NEVER looks left and right even when you don't have the stop sign (but the intersecting road ahead does) then someday you'll hit a string of bad luck. For example... new stop sign put up right outside of my dad's house. His evening entertainment is sitting on the front porch and counting how many cars run the stop sign per hour. Average: 20 cars per hour. Imagine that?

Anyway, I'm starting to ramble. Not saying that the site you're inquiring about is wrong, I'm just saying it raises a red flag when there's one site that says one thing, and dozens of others that all have detailed information from strong sources saying another thing. :D

[HyundaiDude]

I don't think we are really really understanding each other. Two things, I believe the IIHS is the best outfit testing cars. They say, point blank that this car gets a poor. I don't think that there are so many sources that we can discount the respectablity of IIHS.

The only thing I can say that raises my eyebrow is, it really gets a poor because of the torso damage. That weighed the whole things down.

What it exposes is that the side airbag is like, half as effective as a consumer would hope it would be.

And since I don't think we are understanding each other, my point is simply that:

I mean, LISTEN TO ME. Just like IIHS says, in our elantras, versus other small cars we are risking fracturing our ribs.

It's really clear. Goto IIHS, and tell me why it isn't true. Let's dare to say something negative about the car, so we can work towards understanding the safety of the car better.

The government test, is a complete lie. It's a political pass.

[Roasted]

okay, bud. :cool:

[hyunelan2]

Umm... how is the Government test a political farse when the list the actual data that was a criteria for awarding "stars." Just because it was conducted by a government agency, doesn't mean it is a corrupt result.



Side Crash
Front seat/Rear seat

Head Injury Criterion2 (HIC) 192/540
Thoracic Trauma Index (TTI) 57/69
Pelvis Deceleration2 (g's) 96/93


I'm not saying that the Elantra is the safest car ever built for side impact, but you can't dismiss it as an unsafe car just because one testing agency says it's "poor."

[BobMs_wht2k2]

What I love, is the Spectra and Elantra get different ratings from the IIHS tests. They are the same structure and platform. Different sheetmetal on the outside, but the same structure under the skin.

So, how is that possible from such an "authority"? What about their rollover statisitcs? The Corvette should have the worst rollover score because it is the most rolloever prone vehicle in single vehicle accidents. Tell me, how does your fool-proof IIHS justify that?

All crash tests and studies have their pro's and con's and should ALL be taken with a grain of salt. Fact: The Elantras we drive today are safer than 100% of the vehicles built 20 years ago.

[Roasted]

What I love, is the Spectra and Elantra get different ratings from the IIHS tests. They are the same structure and platform. Different sheetmetal on the outside, but the same structure under the skin.

So, how is that possible from such an "authority"? What about their rollover statisitcs? The Corvette should have the worst rollover score because it is the most rolloever prone vehicle in single vehicle accidents. Tell me, how does your fool-proof IIHS justify that?

All crash tests and studies have their pro's and con's and should ALL be taken with a grain of salt. Fact: The Elantras we drive today are safer than 100% of the vehicles built 20 years ago.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[HyundaiDude]

There are probably only two outfits testing the car. IIHS and ntsha. The ladder, the goverment test, is full of poop. It exists so that fake reports can be made about the car, on a level that goes about as unchecked as the car being tested in the first place was.

The sad thing, is that the Kia Spectra with side CURTAIN airbags gets a poor. Which hopefully will not translate to the 2007 elantra being as unsafe as the one we currently drive. The torso area is not safe, and I'd rather tell the truth that I know, versus be in the hostipal with a shatter pelvis.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Geesh dude, will you listen to yourself? You're already discrediting this "super-agency" you're touting!

You know what, with the amount of intelligence you've shown so far, just go buy another car and be done. That way you can quit whining and moaning.
Ba-bye now. :rolleyes:

[HyundaiDude]

You're not responding to logic.

Have fun, i stand by every single thing i've said.

have fun.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

And you're ignoring facts. Wake up and smell the coffee. Believing there is only 1 true way and ignoring other facts and information is rediculous. Go treade your car, lose the $5k and go away.

[hyunelan2]

The ladder, the goverment test, is full of poop. It exists so that fake reports can be made about the car, on a level that goes about as unchecked as the car being tested in the first place was.

Proof? Or just typical ignorant government-paranoia?

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Proof? Or just typical ignorant government-paranoia?

Or just typical ignorance?

[Gman]

It is funny you think the IIHS is the greatest testing group. The IIHS was set up to do their own testing so they could set INSURANCE RATES for cars. Over the years they set their standards for testing, and put out a list of "POOR" rated cars that will have high rates. Then the car makers redesign the cars to meet the standard, so when they all are exceptable, the IIHS changes the way they test,(raising the speed, bigger barier etc..) so they can get a new "poor" list of higher rated cars. I would love to see a car that got the good rating a few years ago go through testing today. All testing should be taken with a grain of salt and look at the reasoning behind "WHY" they are doing the tests in the first place.

[hyunelan2]

Furthermore, why would the U.S. Government try to boost the crash ratings of a foreign car? You think if there were some conspiracy theory at work here, they would be trying to make imports look worse, and the domestic products better.

[Roasted]

You're not responding to logic.

Have fun, i stand by every single thing i've said.

have fun.

Please leap into the nearest interstate highway. Thanks.

[SWortham]

I do get the impression that you wouldn't want to roll an Elantra. It would probably cave in pretty easily. In fact I've read about that happening somewhere...

Other than that, I always thought it got decent safety scores.

As for the lack of ABS, yeah it can suck sometimes. But if you practice threshold braking that'll help you out in an emergency.

[ArunSenior04]

The only thing Im scared about is getting hit from the side.