Ticket to hell - a message to parents that smoke.

[FordFasteRR]

This message is intended for parents who smoke around their children.

I think that parents who smoke around their kids are extremely selfish and evil. Not only do they disregard their own health (not that I care) but they are injuring their children. I have seen newborns with the mother smoking a cig in one hand, while holding the child in the other - pitiful.

I am declaring this to everyone on this forum - my hatred for you is almost unmatched.

I feel sorry for your children. But hoping that you die is almost as bad a punishment as having you smoke around your kids, so I don't wish for you to die.

I only hope that by reading this, you have a change of heart for the sake of your children. They do not deserve to breathe in the cancerous fumes you blow on them for the sake of supporting your disgusting habit.

I would also like to ask the readers of this forum to post something up regarding this topic, hopefully we can help get the message out there to the people who need to hear it.

- Thanks. :mad:

[steelmalu43]

I am a smoker but i smoke outside all the time(my own choice and NY state law). I agree with the above post it is totally selfish to smoke around children. This may sound "corny" to some people but i culd give two sh*its. Just my opinion

[subvibe99]

My father passed away from smoke related issues before I turned 2. I have had excercise induced asthma my whole life and was told it was most likely the result of my father smoking around me as a child. I agree 100% with this post that it should be looked at like as a crime.

[Roasted]

This may not be completely on topic, but let's all take a close look at how stupid some people in our society are.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/Roasted/pregsmoker.jpg

[RedScorp]

I agree with you Ford. And unfortuntely that's one pic I didn't want to see an XD in.

[evan938]

i feel bad for kids, but honestly, i am also tired of coming onto exd and being preached to. i dont care if its about street racing, smoking, anything. its getting annoying

[RedScorp]

i feel bad for kids, but honestly, i am also tired of coming onto exd and being preached to. i dont care if its about street racing, smoking, anything. its getting annoying

Then leave jackass.

[Mad_Hatter]

seriously, this is a stupid thread, if there are people on here that smoke around kids, EXD will not change them. seriously guys are we running out of things to post?
-bill

[RedScorp]

So who's to dictate to someone else what they may or may not post about? It's not like he posted this in the wrong forum.

Of late this site's membership has become very assholish towards new members, old members, and those that may or may not fit the shoe of the topic at hand. I for one and really ****ing sick of it...really. I mean if this is the attitude and flaming we do to our members then peace the **** out. I don't need to support this forum or it's members if that's the case.

[Cypher]

Then leave jackass.

thats unnessecary and could be considered a personal attack. ford this really should stop. so you don't like smoking? big deal. nothing on this forum is going to convince a person not to smoke. its one of those choices/decisions that you must come to on your own. evan's right, this is becoming ridculous. i can understand no street racing stories or anything like that but being able to smoke if you so chose is one of those rights we have in this country so everyone back up off those who chose to hinder their own health. don't dare think you have the right to tell another how to live their life. alright? thats all i have to say.

So who's to dictate to someone else what they may or may not post about? It's not like he posted this in the wrong forum.

Of late this site's membership has become very assholish towards new members, old members, and those that may or may not fit the shoe of the topic at hand. I for one and really ****ing sick of it...really. I mean if this is the attitude and flaming we do to our members then peace the **** out. I don't need to support this forum or it's members if that's the case.

and you. calm the hell down. i don't see where anyone has been assholish lately. i've seen people answering questions but kindly reminding them that its been covered and to search next time. but the question was still answered. maybe you are referring to evan and sean (yamaha) in regards to how they talk to each other. thats normal for them.

[RedScorp]

thats unnessecary and could be considered a personal attack.

Sorry but evan is an *** to a lot of people here. And unfortunately, because a lot of you know him, it's goes excused and allowed. I'm tired of his attitude towards other members. It's rediculous.

[aLoNe I bReAk]

Roasted that pic that you posted was part of Jay Leno's "Headlines" a couple years back, I remember that.

[Tx_boy]

I am with you about all the preaching. It is one thing to preach about street racing because this is a car forum so it is on topic but all this other preaching is annoying as hell. I am a smoker and I do all I can to not smoke around my kids but that is not going to stop someone else from smoking around them. Ford do you have any kids and if you do I bet when you are outside and with your kids and someone is walking down the street next to you guys and is smokeing a cigarette what would you do? Next are you going to preach about god and how if we dont go to church we are going to hell. You are sounding like a dictator right now so if that is how you feel than just keep it to yourself!!!!!!!!!

[fgummett]

...being able to smoke if you so chose is one of those rights we have in this country so everyone back up off those who chose to hinder their own health. don't dare think you have the right to tell another how to live their life. alright? thats all i have to say... sorry but you missed the point... this thread is clearly stated as not being about a person's right to smoke... it is about people around them being able to choose fresh clean air... especially children who are often strapped down (car seats or strollers) when they are abused in this way.

[RedScorp]

It is one thing to preach about street racing because this is a car forum so it is on topic

That's why there's an "Off-Topic" section of this forum...I mean honestly, if you don't want to read it, then stay the heck out of the thread. It's not like the title concealed it's intent at all.

The fact that so many people are *****ing only goes to prove how empty this place is of decent active threads. So rather than pissing on a fellow member, go start something that may be more useful to the general populace.

[evan938]

Sorry but evan is an *** to a lot of people here. And unfortunately, because a lot of you know him, it's goes excused and allowed

unfortunately, you dont know how good of friends i am with quite a few members on this forum. nick (projectx515) lives with me. sean (yamaha) and i meet up about ever 4-6 weeks to hang out for a weekend. ****, i was just at his lake house with my girlfriend and his parents for 4th of july cookout. shaun (knottravesty) lives about 30 min away and comes over to drink when he can get over here. jim (cypher) is comin out next weekend to hang out. ive stayed a weekend with dave (2loud2k2xd) drinking and partying, as well as a few other members. i had like 6-8 members at my appartment the weekend of HITH just to party with.

you may see me ****ing with people (like talking about sean having a square head or shaun being emo and cutting himself) but we all know its not taken seriously and all in good fun. im sorry you're not in the loop and know whats going on, but chill the **** out

back onto the original topic - exd has what...a few thousand members...how many are active? maybe 150? TOPS? how many have kids? how many have kids and smoke? im sure of the thousands of members, filter in the active members, filter in the members who smoke and have kids, you're hitting maybe 15 people who it goes towards. to everyone else, its annoying. its like when my boss's boss walks by us every 10 minutes "come on guys, get on the phones, make some calls"...its just one of those things that everytime you see/hear it, you want to punch a baby in the face

[fgummett]

I'd rather have this post than drive newbies away with sarcasm and "smart" comments that are not productive to anyone.

Even if this thread makes just one person think twice about smoking around a child I think it is well worth the flaming.

[kk4real]

Ok Ford. Read the bold.
Smoking is bad. Nicotine is addictive.
The government has determined this to be true.

If tobacco products do not include nicotine, tobacco use would go down steeply - but tobacco manufacturers would all file for bankruptcy, causing a rift in our stock market. (theoretically)

Now that we are all on the same page, yes Ford - in general, smoking sux - a lot of us agree here at EXD.

But posting complaints at EXD is not going to change the world.
Discussing this issue on a non-smoking forum would be the best place to discuss this issue since this is a car forum. We only care about cars here. If you wanted to start or join a non-smoking forum, several EXD members would be more than happy to help spread the word to not smoke in front of children.

If you want to change the way the world (USA) smokes, talk or write to your local government official.

Just like the Amish and their poop on the road...
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16738
Originally Posted by kk4real
But seriously, speak with your local city hall/township or whatever you have over there and bring this issue up about the crap on the road.
Write a letter to your Governor / Senator / House Rep for resolution! :nono:

I've been criticized for using too much color, so I used bold here.

I do not think there is much else to say about this thread. Tell us what you think Ford.

[n0c]

Anyone seen that episode of P&T's Bull$hit where they claim secondhand smoke hype is BS? What I got out of that is that it is still inconclusive as to the effects of second hand smoke and there is a lot of number twisting.

Cigarette smoke is annoying IMO, all smokers should carry hookahs instead of cigs, now shisha smells gooood! :D

[RedScorp]

you may see me ****ing with people (like talking about sean having a square head or shaun being emo and cutting himself) but we all know its not taken seriously and all in good fun. im sorry you're not in the loop and know whats going on, but chill the **** out


Well, consider the hundreds of guests that come by this site every week that "aren't" in your club, your clique, your little buddy club, and see your smartassed comments all over this site and turn away...perhaps for once, it should be YOU that chills the **** out.

[evan938]

cigarette smoking reduces your chances of dying from second hand smoke 100%. boo yah

[fgummett]

I suggest that you read the recent report on Second Hand Smoke by the US Surgeons General's Office, http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/ which states quite clearly that, "The scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke"

[evan938]

I suggest that you read the recent report on Second Hand Smoke by the US Surgeons General's Office, http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/ which states quite clearly that, "The scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke"

i hope that wasnt directed at my last post, which was entirely a joke

[toymachine566]

...its just one of those things that everytime you see/hear it, you want to punch a baby in the face
:abovelol: :cool:
slick lol

i have a few family member (inlaws) that like to think their s**t dont stink and nobody can tell them where to smoke (these are the ones that I feel like punching in the face). When My kid is with my wife and they pull that s**t I dont make a scene........I tell them I'm taking the kid outside and when their done smoking we'll come back in. Tiff (wife) however gets ten ear fulls of my b****ing when we go home, and thats enough for her to get them to step the f*** outside. That is my only dilema with people smoking is when it's around my kid and they're big tough people dont think they need to be told who they can and cannot smoke around. :rolleyes:

Then again I'm not a big fan of her family anyway, just one more reason to get front row tickets to their funerals. (kidding..............kind of)

[fgummett]

Anyone seen that episode of P&T's Bull$hit where they claim secondhand smoke hype is BS? What I got out of that is that it is still inconclusive as to the effects of second hand smoke and there is a lot of number twisting... :D my last post was directed at these comments... as above it is quite clear that "The scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke"

[evan938]

ok. whew. i was like...whoa...he missed that completely

[n0c]

Thx, I'll take a look fgum.

Damn these simultaneous posting lol.

[evan938]

Well, consider the hundreds of guests that come by this site every week that "aren't" in your club, your clique, your little buddy club, and see your smartassed comments all over this site and turn away...perhaps for once, it should be YOU that chills the **** out.

HA. it could be much worse, trust me. and it has been. you want me to go back to my old ways i could. we could start the flaming with you right now? :angryfire :diablo:

[Tx_boy]

Well if you go to someones house who smokes withyour kids than if you dont want them to smoke around them than ya you should take your kids outside because you are at their house. Now if they come to your house and your wife does not say anything than you should step up and say something. You can only tell when and where someone can and can not smoke is in your house or in your car other than that you have no right to come at someone about it.

[toymachine566]

Well if you go to someones house who smokes withyour kids than if you dont want them to smoke around them than ya you should take your kids outside because you are at their house. Now if they come to your house and your wife does not say anything than you should step up and say something. You can only tell when and where someone can and can not smoke is in your house or in your car other than that you have no right to come at someone about it.
i agree 100%........

I made that clear to them the first step they took into my house. They grabbed a cigarette, put it in their mouth.........I told them I'd get them an ashtray (to put the cigarette in, clean property) and an umbrella. But they dont smoke in my house out of respect also which i apreciate when people come over. Same w/ cars.....I like when people ask when they get in my car rather then lighting one up just because they feel like it. But in someones car I say nothing, again if my kid's in there I roll down as many windows as i can. :D But thats not a problem since the little guy always rolls w/ me and mama

[Tx_boy]

That is pretty much how I am. I only smoke in my house when my kids are not here and if I do smoke in the car with them in there which is once in a blue moon I do roll all the windows down. I try to wait till I stop somewhere and smoke on the way in but sometimes you have to drive for a while or you get stuck in ****ing traffic and just cant wait. I do want to quite but it is really hard. Not saying I am weak but out of all the stuff I started and stopped I would say that is the hardest one to throw. One day it will happen!!!!!!!!!

[RedScorp]

HA. it could be much worse, trust me. and it has been. you want me to go back to my old ways i could. we could start the flaming with you right now? :angryfire :diablo:

Flame away tough guy. I don't need to talk big and bad behind a computer screen like some apparently feel the obsession to. Your idle computer forum threats are pretty preschool-ish IMO.

[fgummett]

Trying to stay On-Topic... I think the point has been well made as at least two parents here are thinking about this important subject... My best wishes and sympathy to anyone trying to quit... it's gotta be one of the hardest things to do... I sincerely hope you can do it one day!

[evan938]

I don't need to talk big and bad behind a computer screen like some apparently feel the obsession to

RIGHT...lets see how much you "don't need to talk big and bad behind a computer screen"

Then leave jackass.

Of late this site's membership has become very assholish towards new members, old members, and those that may or may not fit the shoe of the topic at hand. I for one and really ****ing sick of it...really. I mean if this is the attitude and flaming we do to our members then peace the **** out. I don't need to support this forum or it's members if that's the case.

Sorry but evan is an *** to a lot of people here. And unfortunately, because a lot of you know him, it's goes excused and allowed. I'm tired of his attitude towards other members. It's rediculous.

Well, consider the hundreds of guests that come by this site every week that "aren't" in your club, your clique, your little buddy club, and see your smartassed comments all over this site and turn away...perhaps for once, it should be YOU that chills the **** out.

ok mr "i dont need to talk big and bad" heres a quote i wish you would pay attention to and actually follow through with
peace the **** out

LATER!

[jalmir]

For those who don't like that post, I think you all missed the point here ...

Yes it's a car's forum but hey gess what? there is an "off-topic" section for those kind of threads ... woooooo !!!

If you don't like the post why reading it completely in the first place????

And to get back on-topic with this post, I had a girlfriend with two kids and she was smoking but NEVER near the childrens, she was always smoking outside (yes, even in our own home) and in the car she didn't smoke when we had the kids ... I thinks it's called respect, everyone agrees that smoking is bad for our health, and if YOU decided to smoke it's fine, but think about all the others around you who DON'T want to smoke ...

Do you give a sip to a kid each time you drink a beer??? IMO it's all the same ... Don't smoke around childrens, it's just common sence!

[Mad_Hatter]

evan is 100% right and i totally agree with him red- this is a car-forum, there is no need for a member of this forum to title a thread "ticket to hell" and expect people to know its about his opinion on smoking...i dnt agree with smoking around kids here either, but people do do it, sucks i know. but again there was no reason for ford to post it unless he was looking to piss people off. I have never met anyone on this forum in person and i refuse to make character judgements through a computer screen, so i am an unbious (sp) slice of this pie. Evan is 100% right posing that bullsh*t on here is stupid and looking for an excuse to piss people off.
-bill

[fgummett]

evan is 100% right and i totally agree with him red- this is a car-forum, there is no need for a member of this forum to title a thread "ticket to hell" and expect people to know its about his opinion on smoking...i dnt agree with smoking around kids here either, but people do do it, sucks i know. but again there was no reason for ford to post it unless he was looking to piss people off. I have never met anyone on this forum in person and i refuse to make character judgements through a computer screen, so i am an unbious (sp) slice of this pie. Evan is 100% right posing that bullsh*t on here is stupid and looking for an excuse to piss people off.
-bill The title that I read was clearly "Ticket to hell - a message to parents that smoke." and a reminder (as has already been stated) that this thread is (quite correctly) in the "Off-Topic" forum which (so far as I understand) seems to allow topics which are not car related.

[Mad_Hatter]

on the homepage all you see is "ticket to hell-......" so of course people are going to open it. and as for the "off topic" yeah your right people can post freely, but when they know damn well that its intent is to just piss people off then they better think twice before posting. thats all i was saying, i dont want to get in this "heated argument" but damn this thread really angers me, people are going to do as they please and EXD will not change it...trust me.
-bill

PS- dude, you use the bold feature A LOT!!

[fgummett]

sorry... I usually find the new posts under the "New Post" menu option which shows the full title.

I disagree that discussion (even when heated) is incapable of changing anything... isn't that the basis of democracy? it seems that at least 2 parents on this site have joined in on this thread and have actively been thinking about this issue... I think that is a good thing.

I'm not sure what the orignal poster's motives were... perhaps you know him better that I do... but in my humble opinion I think his thread has sparked a useful discussion.

[robs02elantra]

I've heard people say (About many topics, not just this one) that if it saves one life, it's worth it. First, I completely agree with that.

Second, to whoever said "go to an anti-smoking forum and post"...wtf? That is what I like to call, preaching to the chior. It's useless.

Grin and bear it. Nobody is forcing you to read it, and when you do read it, nobody is forcing you to agree. There is nothing wrong with saying your opinion, but when that opinion is to attack Ford for posting about a topic and tell him not to post his anti-smoking smut on this site because it's about cars...that's just not right. We've all used this "Off Topic" forum at some time to waste post count and talk about things that are not car related but that we want to talk about anyway, so everyone get back on your soapboxes and start preaching your opinion on the topic at hand, not about whether ford should be allowed to post this thread!

[jalmir]

ok ... so your all pissed off by this thread ... and you all say that it won't change the world ??? WTF ??? do we have to post ONLY things that are supposed to change the world????

hell it's the off-topic section here, there are posts about everything and anything in here, and because Ford decided to post about somethings pisses him off it's not ok??? what is wrong with you ppl???

If you feel like blowing smoke in your children lungs then read this thread carefully and think about the consequences ... and if you don't then why the hell do you even bother about this thread???

[yamaha]

THe internet is a great place to preach many things. My opinion to everyone is, if you don't like it. Simply dont click on that post.

[evan938]

how about a politcal discussions section, for political stuff like this? i know of one poster who really likes to post his political view *cough**cough* and force it among others...im sure with it in there, it would make more sense. NT has one and i tend not to go in there but once a month because i know most of the **** i read will annoy me, piss me off, or force me to spend an hour typing out a post that was longer than most of my essays through school.

i guess its not even the topic that got to me, its the fact that i HATE when someone tries to press a political statement into me. i dont consider myself a republican or a democrat. the thing i hate most about politicians is they vote the way they think theyre supposed to vote before they even know what the vote will be about. i on the other hand like to find out more about whats going on, THEN base my decision.

my whole life up until a couple years ago my mom smoked. my dad smoked about 1/2 the time she did (he quit and started a few times). i had asthma from the day i was born. my 2 brothers and sister are healthy. am i pissed at my parents for smoking around us when we were kids? no. it didnt change any of us. would i be pissed if them smoking caused one of us to get lung cancer? believe it.

who votes for a political section??

[kk4real]

on the homepage all you see is "ticket to hell-......" so of course people are going to open it. and as for the "off topic" yeah your right people can post freely, but when they know damn well that its intent is to just piss people off then they better think twice before posting. thats all i was saying, i dont want to get in this "heated argument" but damn this thread really angers me, people are going to do as they please and EXD will not change it...trust me.
-bill

PS- dude, you use the bold feature A LOT!!
I'm so happy no one is saying that about me :abovelol:

So, where's Ford in all this?

I'm glad that everyone has an opinion about this matter and am happy to see Freedom of Speech and Opinion taking place here in this thread.

Just as there is a choice to smoke (maybe not always a choice with 2nd hand smoke), there is a choice to participate or not to participate in this thread.

sorry... I usually find the new posts under the "New Post" menu option which shows the full title.

I disagree that discussion (even when heated) is incapable of changing anything... isn't that the basis of democracy? it seems that at least 2 parents on this site have joined in on this thread and have actively been thinking about this issue... I think that is a good thing.

I'm not sure what the orignal poster's motives were... perhaps you know him better that I do... but in my humble opinion I think his thread has sparked a useful discussion.

I believe the purpose of the original thread was to make everyone curious enough to read this thread, be informed of Ford's opinion, and to hopefully make a decision that is better for that person and the people around that person reading this thread. (or at least I think)

Truthfully - would you have been thinking about the negative effects of 2nd hand smoke on children at random today if you did not read this thread?
If so - then hopefully you agree with Ford's point. If not, then hopefully this thread discouranges the use of cigarettes in the presence of children.

I've heard people say (About many topics, not just this one) that if it saves one life, it's worth it. First, I completely agree with that.

Second, to whoever said "go to an anti-smoking forum and post"...wtf? That is what I like to call, preaching to the chior. It's useless.

Grin and bear it. Nobody is forcing you to read it, and when you do read it, nobody is forcing you to agree. There is nothing wrong with saying your opinion, but when that opinion is to attack Ford for posting about a topic and tell him not to post his anti-smoking smut on this site because it's about cars...that's just not right. We've all used this "Off Topic" forum at some time to waste post count and talk about things that are not car related but that we want to talk about anyway, so everyone get back on your soapboxes and start preaching your opinion on the topic at hand, not about whether ford should be allowed to post this thread!

I believe I said something to this effect, but what I meant is that if Ford wants to make a big impact on society then he should expand his audience to more than just a jelly bean bag full of Elantra modders.
I care and a whole bunch of people on this forum care about avoiding 2nd hand smoke, but watching EXD members march on Washington would be like a normal day of visitors for downtown DC.

*warning, chick flick*
I saw Clueless 2 with my girl and when that blonde girl needed support, she called up her peeps and had an entire entourage of people there supporting her.
That would be cool to see in this situation also, but it just isn't going to happen right now. Not with the politics involved.

[ba_feitl]

THe internet is a great place to preach many things. My opinion to everyone is, if you don't like it. Simply dont click on that post.


The obvious choice yes ... but ... how would everyone boost their post count if we didn't have these relentless whining sessions ??

Brad

[yamaha]

The obvious choice yes ... but ... how would everyone boost their post count if we didn't have these relentless whining sessions ??

Brad

Truth. :bowdown:

[hyunelan2]

It's an off-topic post, if you want to comment- do it. Otherwise, move on to another catagory and don't cry about off-topic posts.

There are topics on EXD about everything Elantra related, when someone asks a question they are referred to a previous post (i.e. told to search) and that thread dies. In this matter, we are generating less and less topics about Elantras, because we don't talk about anything Elantra related - we just answer questions with links to old posts.

[jalmir]

i guess its not even the topic that got to me, its the fact that i HATE when someone tries to press a political statement into me.

WHAT??? :confused:

where is the political statement here :

This message is intended for parents who smoke around their children.

I think that parents who smoke around their kids are extremely selfish and evil. [ ... ]

I only hope that by reading this, you have a change of heart for the sake of your children. They do not deserve to breathe in the cancerous fumes you blow on them for the sake of supporting your disgusting habit.
[ ... ]

- Thanks.

I only pasted a part of it, come on ... he's not trying to "press a political statement" into anybody ... he's just talking about parents blowing their cig smoke in their kids face ...

[ArunSenior04]

I've heard people say (About many topics, not just this one) that if it saves one life, it's worth it. First, I completely agree with that.

Second, to whoever said "go to an anti-smoking forum and post"...wtf? That is what I like to call, preaching to the chior. It's useless.

Grin and bear it. Nobody is forcing you to read it, and when you do read it, nobody is forcing you to agree. There is nothing wrong with saying your opinion, but when that opinion is to attack Ford for posting about a topic and tell him not to post his anti-smoking smut on this site because it's about cars...that's just not right. We've all used this "Off Topic" forum at some time to waste post count and talk about things that are not car related but that we want to talk about anyway, so everyone get back on your soapboxes and start preaching your opinion on the topic at hand, not about whether ford should be allowed to post this thread!

Best post in this entire thread.

[evan938]

i hope your question was sarcasm. thats exactly what it was...a political statement. there are people who run for office with a platform for a single subject and nothing else. you could ask them "what are your views on immigration" and they will say "i am against abortion", because thats all they care about.

Ford does have a tendancy to make a lot of political posts, i can think of at least 3 off the top of my head from the last week (2 on smoking, one about the troops morale that was supposedly a letter a senator wrote or something).

[fgummett]

So if I read your definition correctly, "anything that can be phrased as a question to a politician is a political issue"... how about, "Senator what is your view on Religion..? Second-hand smoke is a Social issue and it affects people of all political persuasions.

[jalmir]

That wans't sarcasm ... I call that an opinion, not a political statement ... and seeing your attitude toward this thread I'm guessing that your life must not always be easy (you must be pissed 20h a day!).

Well anyway, he didn't force anything on you, YOU are the one who clicked on the link and YOU are the one that read it ... as others and I said, if you don't like it why the heck are you reading it anyway???

I don't like ppl bragging about their new bought handgun and guest what? I don't clik the links anymore!!! yeah, I'm not joking, I just ... pass those post!!!

[Cypher]

i think a thread titled "ticket to hell" is outlandish by anyone, especially a moderator. we don't allow any personal attacks but ford might as well have attacked everyone on this forum whom smokes telling them that they are stupid and assuming they smoke in front of their children. not all people are that blantingly stupid and careless.

[FordFasteRR]

Its much easier to avoid the issue and attack me right? Lets stay on topic here. So far we have almost 3 pages of junk, and hardly any talk of the actual ISSUE that I brought up.

LOL .

i think a thread titled "ticket to hell" is outlandish by anyone, especially a moderator. we don't allow any personal attacks but ford might as well have attacked everyone on this forum whom smokes telling them that they are stupid and assuming they smoke in front of their children. not all people are that blantingly stupid and careless.



Wrong.

This thread is specifically intended for parents that smoke around their children.


Read the original post again. :phone:

I want to get a message out there about how I feel about it. I also want other people to understand how I feel.

Like people who have friends or family that do this sort of thing to their kids.

[Cypher]

ford. you're a smart guy and everyone here respects you. i didn't mean any disrespect like that. EVERYONE here will agree with you that a child should not be subjected to cigarette smoke nor should anyone else be if they don't wish to be.

but how exactly do you wish to solve that problem? charge them with attempted murder or something of the like?

[FordFasteRR]

ford. you're a smart guy and everyone here respects you. i didn't mean any disrespect like that. EVERYONE here will agree with you that a child should not be subjected to cigarette smoke nor should anyone else be if they don't wish to be.

but how exactly do you wish to solve that problem? charge them with attempted murder or something of the like?


Thats a little extreme right ?

That is not my intention. Ultimately it is a parents own personal selfish disregard for the health of their children to smoke in their presence.

The kids are at the mercy of their creators, helpless, weak, and learning by example.

[Cypher]

yes it is extreme thats my point. haha i just realized the purpose of this thread. lol. we need to educate parents on the dangers of second hand smoke. in that way maybe we can stop those children from growing up and smoking and polluting hte air even more and killing themselves. (but on a side note you do know you're polluting the air by running without cats ford ;))

one thought i just had that makes me kinda chuckle is that the government will tax and allow people to buy cigarettes that they know cuts years off their lives YET suicide is illegal. lol. i'm just sort of rambling right now. DAMN 4 hours of sleep!!!

[FordFasteRR]

(answer to the cat question: I barely drive my car at all anymore. It sits for months at a time while the battery dies, then if I ever want to move it a few feet I have to push-start it lol)..

I am not too worried about what less than 600 miles per year of non-cat pollution can do compared to this issue.

This issue is a little more important to me =)

[Rdizziedog]

I don't want to get into all of the arguments going on in this thread (which I think are pointless and stupid). As so many people have stated: Evan, if you don't want to read about this, don't read it. If you don't like what he's saying, don't post. Click the back button and read another topic. There's no need to post half of the things that you post.

Ford, I agree with you 100%. My parents smoked around me for 16 years of my life (I am almost 18 now). My mom smoked before I was born, while I was in her stomach, and both of my parents smoked around me (in the house, in the car, everywhere) for 16 years of my life. My mom and my dad both knew and still know how much I hate smoke. They sometimes smoke up to two packs a day, each. Last year I finally got them to start smoking outside of the house. I think the thing that finally made them do it was the fact that my aunt died 3 years ago of lung cancer (she smoked all of her life) and my grandmother died a year ago of lung cancer (who also smoked all of her life). Right after my grandmother died I told my parents if they wanted to continue to kill themselves it was their choice, but don't kill me in the process. Since then they haven't smoked around me at all. I too have a little asthma and I blame it 100% on being around second hand cigarette smoke my whole life. Kids should not be subjected to their parents’ filthy habits.

I agree 100% with the new laws that are going into effect that ban smoking in public places (restaurants, bars, etc). No one should be subjected to someone else's poisonous habit. If they want to smoke, they can do it in their own home or outside their home if they have children. The best thing any smoker can do is quit.

[evan938]

why is it that smoking is such a big issue to you when im sure there are things you could be out doing that will help more people in a shorter time. volunteer for habitats for humanities and help build houses for people who need them.

[FordFasteRR]

why is it that smoking is such a big issue to you when im sure there are things you could be out doing that will help more people in a shorter time. volunteer for habitats for humanities and help build houses for people who need them.


That is not the point of this thread. Try to stay on topic here.

...........

Thank god that you made it this far. Considering that you have spent almost your entire life ingesting smoke, you should check yourself out often for lung issues. You already have slight asthma, that is a bad sign.

I hope you never get sick, but one thing that I do suggest is that you stay active. Go outdoors and do aerobic exercises that boost your respiratory system. That will help to clean your lungs and boost your imune system.

=)

[ArunSenior04]

Smoking is such a big issue because it is the single most preventable cause of premature death. Every year, nearly 400K people die from the effects of smoking.

What makes me mad, is when pregnant women smoke and drink. Makes me want to slap them. LOL.

[FordFasteRR]

Smoking is such a big issue because it is the single most preventable cause of premature death. Every year, nearly 400K people die from the effects of smoking.

What makes me mad, is when pregnant women smoke and drink. Makes me want to slap them. LOL.

So true - me too ! :mad:

[fgummett]

... EVERYONE here will agree with you that a child should not be subjected to cigarette smoke nor should anyone else be if they don't wish to be...I just wish that were true... but the evidence is to the contrary

[soullesselantra]

i smoke, i have kids, and this is bull****, i do not smoke in the house, in the car with them, and im usually across the deck from them when im smoking @ home...i will stop smoking when all of the lazy fatbodies that tell me to quit can outlast me on any given day...so you dont smoke, so i do, so ****ing what...did you know that when a cow farts it releases more PPM of hazardous gasses than a number of cigarettes...so now are you going to go preach to farmers to cork their cows asses so they dont fart and deplete the ozone layer with their methane and other gasses? give it up Ford, you have posted some good stuf here from what ive seen, and some of it has helped me...but i am not one to listen to others complain about what i do, when they dont even live in the same area...so now what, its the chaos theory...every time i light up in indy a baby in florida coughs and has so many months taken off its life? i hope to meet you one day...i hope to meet you while smoking...

[BlackElantraGT]

I usually don't agree with Ford's view, but we live in a democratic society and he's free to say what he wants to say.

On the other hand, I also can see why Evan would feel this way.

I think it makes for interesting discussions. For those that are too upset to post about it, they can move on to the next. But Ford, what is up with your mission lately? Off the top of my head, I can think of the troop morale thread, the OTHER smoking thread, the "getting hit by a car is not an accident" thread.

I don't care if you want to discuss your agenda, but it seems like you go out of your way to shove your view down other people's throats. Why couldn't you have continued this on the other anti-smoking thread? It's almost as if you start this stuff just to piss people off which is no different than Evan replying to noobs in his @$$hat manners. I would expect a moderator to be a little smarter and use better judgement than the rest of us.

Like someone said earlier, what's your next agenda Ford.. God? Are you going to tell me that all non-christians are going to hell next? Maybe I should start a thread about how I don't want to breathe in air contaminated by Ford's catless car. He performed that mod without ever getting mine or the gov't's approval.

[FordFasteRR]

I usually don't agree with Ford's view, but we live in a democratic society and he's free to say what he wants to say................

Lets discuss this thread a little more before we move to another item on my agenda =)

[SuperGLS]

This topic has been slightly productive and it could be even further productive if everyone keeps away from "attacking" other members. Attack what they say and that's good.

I dislike smoking and my mom smoked around me for 22 years. I don't hate my mom, I just hate that she did it. If others want to smoke that's OK with me, but I can tell you that smoking around children is foolish.

[Tx_boy]

The whole you are going to hell thing is just in called for. The fact that you dont have any cats on your car ford someone who is all about the environment can say you are going to hell for that is pretty much the same thing. The fact that you get your panties in a bundle over cigarette smoke around kids is funny when people in america smoke way worse stuff around there kids (crack, meth, freebase, heron, adn they have meth labs around them). I just dont like that your are trying to say I am going to hell because I smoke and have kids. That is just like a jahova whitness saying that everybody who is not a jahova whitness is going to hell.

[soullesselantra]

and heck is reserved for those who dont believe in gosh...

and for ford cause he dont have any cats and his car is more toxic than a carton ov cigarettes...do you drive past little kids and babies? you are killing them and you are going to hell too!!

and ill see an argument coming that this isnt about cats and cars, but about smokers...

but i would rather smoke, and waste my own life, than drive a polluting car and waste the ozone and everyone elses life...comeo n now, you live in FL...there are too damn many old ppl for air that dirty...you could kill the whole state!!

end rant...im gonna go smoke

[fgummett]

once again... THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOUR RIGHT TO SMOKE... it is about showing consideration for those around you who either do not choose to share your smoke or more importantly do not even have that choice . If you are already considerate to those around you, then great... where's the problem? I will add though, to any of the parents out there (includes myself) have you noticed how quickly and how often your children copy the example you set them..?

[03SilverBullet]

This may not be completely on topic, but let's all take a close look at how stupid some people in our society are.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/Roasted/pregsmoker.jpg
That makes me sick.

Off topic.. Look at the elantra in the backround of that picture. :D

[subvibe99]

wow, after 4 pages people are still not reading into the actual topic. I COULD be out saving the world by riding a bike instead of driving an elantra, I COULD give all of my money to the poor, BUT...this particular topic is about people who smoke around kids. The topic grabbed enough attention to rack up over 600 views and people have pretty strong opinions, which they will probably be discussing when all heated to others. This is a step towards making things different in the world because it causes a trickle effect. Yes, it can be considered political but so could the sticking your head in a cow's but comment. Off topic but I am going to run for mayor of my city with a platform of reform....I no longer want people sticking their heads in the gaseous buts of cows. People need to protect themselves, ha BTW...killing a child slowly, if you are religious, would be a ticket to hell. BOO F'IN YA (as some say)

[jalmir]

soullesselantra, go and read the original post again : it's concerning parrent that smoke around their childrens ... not your right to smoke!!!

So from you post this thread doesn't concern you as you don't smoke around your kids ... and for the rest of the whinning ppl, please go back on the first page and read the original post again!

And where did Ford tryed to "shove his view down other people's throats" ????? did he entered you house and force you to read all this thread???

Come on ppl, try to be smarter then that ... stay on topic and if you don't like it go elswhere, a discution is there to talk about your opinion on a subject, not saying you don't like the subject ... back in scholl were you saying your teachers that their composition subject was bs and gived them back a 4 pages of "I don't like when your trying to force your opinion onto us!!!" ???????

[Tx_boy]

All I want is for him to say going to hell is uncalled for. Is he god so how does he know by doing that you will go to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jalmir]

well if your religious your beliefs tell you that anyway : as subvibe99 said it, killing someone slowly (by second hand smoke) is still killing ... so if your religious you got your ticket ;)

[ghrpdx]

But wait! You can cash in that ticket by accepting Jesus Christ, the son of God as your risen savior, confess your sins, and ask forgiveness or so I've heard. Isn't it nice there's a easy way out?

Who cares about what the religious ramifications are in this subject. That's a moot point.

Smoking in the presence of children is abusive and there are no excuses.

[toymachine566]

Smoking in the presence of children is abusive and there are no excuses.
Simple, Short, and to the point.

Agreed 110%

[omghi2u]

I love smoking cigarettes and will continue doing so. I dont smoke around my children plain and simple. Your going to see people everyday smoking around their children, is it their fault? At times no, because do children always listen? How many times have I been in a smoking area and seen children run up to their parents to ask questions/get money/annoy? So is the parent to then turn the child around and beat their *** to get them to move out of the smoking area? Is the parent now responsible because the child didn't listen? I am a parent and a proud one at that but I find it completely comical when I see an initial post like fords. It makes me want to get 2 baby dolls and put them in the back seat and just drive around with my windows up and the cigs a rolling in hopes that somebody like ford see's me.

If their not your child dont concern yourself in the first place.

[jalmir]

^^^
Your point is not making sence ... ok then when we hear someone is beating/raping their children, let them do ... it's not our kids, so why bother right??

[omghi2u]

My point doesn't make sense yet you can't even form a complete logical sentence?

But from what I get from what you typed out, your saying if you see a parent smoke around their children your going to call the authorities? or even worse cause harm to that person? Your talking apples and oranges. If their not your children then don't concern yourself is exactly what I'm saying, if that point doesn't make sense then maybe I could draw a picture of some stick figures with bubbles telling you and it might get through to you better just exactly what my point is.

[kk4real]

This message is intended for parents who smoke around their children.

I think that parents who smoke around their kids are extremely selfish and evil. Not only do they disregard their own health (not that I care) but they are injuring their children. I have seen newborns with the mother smoking a cig in one hand, while holding the child in the other - pitiful.

I am declaring this to everyone on this forum - my hatred for you is almost unmatched.

I feel sorry for your children. But hoping that you die is almost as bad a punishment as having you smoke around your kids, so I don't wish for you to die.

I only hope that by reading this, you have a change of heart for the sake of your children. They do not deserve to breathe in the cancerous fumes you blow on them for the sake of supporting your disgusting habit.

I would also like to ask the readers of this forum to post something up regarding this topic, hopefully we can help get the message out there to the people who need to hear it.

- Thanks. :mad:


Ok, so back to the original post - who here actually smokes in front of their children (or anyone else that does not smoke) and has not taken into consideration what Ford has posted about 2nd hand smoke?
I hope that all of the smokers in this forum that smoke in front of their children (or anyone else that does not smoke) at least take into consideration what Ford has posted above.

If you are an offender and have not change your mind, Ford would like to know your name, address, a photo of you if possible, what your greatest fears are, and your most succeptible time of day so he can help you take your trash out. :2gunsfiri :Blasting_ :bang: Ford will help show you what an experienced modder is like, and talk about your greatest fears. :bondage: :angryfire :diablo: In the end, Ford just wants to make sure you are informed about the dangers of 2nd hand smoke to other non-smokers, especially children - and hopes you change your mind if you currently do this. :)

[fgummett]

I can't wait for the day when society (that's us) and our laws do make it criminal to smoke around children.

I don't buy into the argument that it's none of my business.. quite apart from any moral argument I would say that second hand smoke is proven to cause health issues.. who pays for the treatment of those issues..? Here in Canada it's the Taxpayers but even in the USA you can count on higher insurance premiums.
If I see something that is wrong my gut reaction is to do something about it...

You know.. even those parents who walk away from their kids to smoke should realise that when they return after smoking: A) they stink (no other word for it) and B) there are still toxic fumes being given off from your clothing... I hope that gives you something to think about.

[jalmir]

My point doesn't make sense yet you can't even form a complete logical sentence?
...
... wow ... that was quite a reply ...

sorry if I have a hard time making "complete logical sentences" as english is not my first language.

Did I said that I would attack that kind of person??? I think that YOU are the one that didn't get the point ... I just said that your "If their not your children then don't concern yourself." don't make sence, I'm sure you would be concerned if you saw a kid having some sort of accident or being harmed ... now with that if you don't understand what I'm trying to say maybe I'm the one that could draw a picture of some stick figures with bubbles telling you and it might get through to you better just exactly what my point is ...

[Kens GLS]

I can't wait for the day when society (that's us) and our laws do make it criminal to smoke around children.

I don't buy into the argument that it's none of my business.. quite apart from any moral argument I would say that second hand smoke is proven to cause health issues.. who pays for the treatment of those issues..? Here in Canada it's the Taxpayers but even in the USA you can count on higher insurance premiums.
If I see something that is wrong my gut reaction is to do something about it...

You know.. even those parents who walk away from their kids to smoke should realise that when they return after smoking: A) they stink (no other word for it) and B) there are still toxic fumes being given off from your clothing... I hope that gives you something to think about.
[COLOR=Blue]

Toxic fumes are given off from clothing? Is there proof of this? How long?I think thats BS

[Rdizziedog]

... wow ... that was quite a reply ...

sorry if I have a hard time making "complete logical sentences" as english is not my first language.

Did I said that I would attack that kind of person??? I think that YOU are the one that didn't get the point .........

I understood what you were saying 100%.

He said "If their not your children then don't concern yourself"

omghi2u: Before you start criticizing jalmir's English, maybe you should go back to elementary school. The proper form to use in that sentence that you posted would be "they're" aka "they are". Not everyone on this forum is from America (or other English speaking countries) and jalmir makes a great effort to try and communicate with us in English. He is doing a much better job than I would be doing if I went onto a Spanish forum and tried making a complete sentence, better yet a complete paragraph, but I'm sure they would appreciate my effort instead of making fun of me.

Anyway, jalmir has a very good point. You are saying that if it is not your child then don't concern yourself. Jalmir's point is "what if you saw a child being beaten or abused?" Do you then concern yourself, or do you ignore it because it is not your child? Your logic is flawed.

[COLOR=Blue]

Toxic fumes are given off from clothing? Is there proof of this? How long?I think thats BS


Am I at risk for getting lung cancer from smoke odors on clothing or from being in a room where people have been smoking?

There is no research in the medical literature about the cancer-causing effects of cigarette odors, but the literature shows that secondhand smoke can seep into hair, clothing, and other surfaces. The unknown cancer-causing effects would likely be minimal in comparison to direct secondhand smoke exposure, such as living in a household that has a smoker.

Either way I can say from experience that after my parents smoke outside and come back inside I can smell it all the way in the basement when they are on the middle floor. They throw away their cigarettes outside so the onlything that could bring that smell into the house is their clothing/bodies, and that is a strong smell.

[Doohickie]

This may not be completely on topic, but let's all take a close look at how stupid some people in our society are.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/Roasted/pregsmoker.jpg
Hey, that's a sweeeeet lookin' Elantra in the background!

[fgummett]

Toxic fumes are given off from clothing? Is there proof of this? How long?I think thats BS
Here is a CTV (Canadian) news article where the Director of the Ontario Medical Association Dr. Ted Boadway has this to say, Doctors warn against smoking in cars, homes... (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1097761993097_6?hub=Health) , ...cigarettes release gaseous chemicals in smoke that condense on surfaces, and are then re-released later.

"When you stand beside a smoker in the elevator and they have that stink about them -- that's because they're off-gassing," he explained. "That's exactly what happens in a home or car."

"So the idea that one can smoke and then stop when the kids come home -- all that does is expose them to what you did before and that really is no help at all."

[Kens GLS]

Well then don't go buying a new car then because that "new car smell" will kill ya!

[05ElantraHB]

:abovelol: :abovelol:

[jalmir]

:hand: :hand:

[Kens GLS]

I'm not joking, I saw a CNN report on it:)

[Tx_boy]

The only thing that has deadly fumes is the smoke itself. When you are done smoking all the smoke leaves if you are in a well ventilated area. The fact that a doctor is saying that the smell has fumes is just dumb. In that case everything lets off harmfull fumes. When you talk you let out CO2 so should everybody not talk. That is pretty much the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fgummett]

CO2 and toxic fumes are not the same thing...

If you smoke I'm sure you don't realise just how much clings to you when you come back indoors.

Yes there are other toxic fumes around us... THAT IS NOT THE TOPIC HERE.

[ArunSenior04]

LOL man. The smell is the smoke/tar stuck in your clothing/hair/etc. You cant classify tobacco smoke, and Co2 in the same category.

[Kens GLS]

I guess it's different in canada. There cigs must be stronger like there beer.

[Tx_boy]

Are they both harmfull for you? Yes, so how can you not put them in the same catagory? Pretty much all you guys trying to put people down who smoke yet you guys still use stuff that is harmfull too. **** if you chew too much gum you can get cancer in your mouth. Too much of anything is bad for you so just keep you and your rugrats away from people smoking and just dont ****ing worry about it. Oh and the guy that wants to make it illegal to smoke around your kids is the dumbest ****in idea I have ever heard!!!!!!!!

[fgummett]

Last I checked neither CO2 nor chewing-gum was harmful..? If that were not off-topic I would ask that you also back up your statements with some proof? Perhaps something from a respected Medical Doctor rather than just hearsay..?

Not that long ago people smoked anywhere and everywhere... even on planes; but today there are already many places (more everyday) where it is illegal to smoke : offices, restaurants, pubs etc... and where you are not allowed to smoke within 16 feet of a building's entrance etc... these are laws designed to protect the rest of us from second-hand smoke... so I really don't see that it is much of a stretch to extend protection against second hand smoke to include children. Do You?

[Tx_boy]

CO2 is not harmfull huh. Park your car in your garage, leave it started, and close the garage door. Ever heard of Carbon DiOxide poisening?

[fgummett]

I see your confusion now... Car exhaust includes CO or Carbon Monoxide. That can definitely be harmful in an enclosed space. CO2 or Carbon Dioxide is what we breathe out... it is a by product of our cell metabolism. In fact if we did not have CO2 we would stop breathing... its actually the build up of CO2 that drives the brain to tell us to breathe (that's why folks may be given a brown bag to breathe into if they are hyperventilating)... Also Trees use CO2 in photosyntesis to produce the energy they need; while their by-product is Oxygen.

anyhow, we are off topic

[kk4real]

CO2 contributes to Global Warming (http://www.bigissueground.com/scienceandfuture/blair-co2andglobalwarming.shtml)
CO2 is bad for your health (http://www.ilpi.com/msdS/ref/carbondioxide.html) and can cause asphyxiation, kidney damage, can put you in a coma, or kill you.

The artifical sugars in chewing gum can cause diarrhea. (ouch)
Swallowing gum and choking on it has caused more than 160 deaths per year.
So yes, gum does kill. (https://www.healthforums.com/library/1,1258,article~10850,00.html)

Make no mistake: secondhand smoke is seriously harmful, even in small amounts. It contains more than 4,000 compounds, hundreds of them toxic - including more than 60 known carcinogens. (http://www.ashaust.org.au/SF'03/health.htm)

Are they both harmfull for you? Yes, so how can you not put them in the same catagory? Pretty much all you guys trying to put people down who smoke yet you guys still use stuff that is harmfull too. **** if you chew too much gum you can get cancer in your mouth. Too much of anything is bad for you so just keep you and your rugrats away from people smoking and just dont ****ing worry about it. Oh and the guy that wants to make it illegal to smoke around your kids is the dumbest ****in idea I have ever heard!!!!!!!!


Chewing gum does not cause cancer.
The artifical sweeteners (Asparatame) in chewing gum have been linked with causing cancer.
http://chetday.com/gumchewing.htm

Chewing tobacco is a completely different story - cancer galore.
http://www.quittobacco.com/facts/effects.htm

[Tx_boy]

Thanks KK4REAL I was just lazy and did not want to do the research for that dumb remark!!!!!!!!!!

[kk4real]

Are they both harmfull for you? Yes, so how can you not put them in the same catagory? Pretty much all you guys trying to put people down who smoke yet you guys still use stuff that is harmfull too. **** if you chew too much gum you can get cancer in your mouth. Too much of anything is bad for you so just keep you and your rugrats away from people smoking and just dont ****ing worry about it. Oh and the guy that wants to make it illegal to smoke around your kids is the dumbest ****in idea I have ever heard!!!!!!!!

No prob Tx_boy, but can you tell me why you think this is such a bad idea?

[Tx_boy]

Its not that it is a bad idea it is just cops have more to worry about than that. The only way I would agree with that law is if they made cigarettes illegal. If they are legal and it is illegal to smoke around kids than that is just one step closer to dictatorship!!!!!!!!!

[Kens GLS]

Very true the cops have enough to worry about now you want them to look for people smoking around there kids.

[fgummett]

You know... many people follow the law of the land WITHOUT a cop standing over them. Ideally laws are our laws... we as society make them so we can coexist... but hey if the only way it is acceptable is if smoking is banned altogether well that surely gets my vote!

[kk4real]

I totally agree that cops are busy enough chasing ricers down...

But if they made some sort of understood law, like leaving your children alone at home when they are under a certain age -
And your neighbors report you for smoking in your house while your kids are there - what about a law like that? (which in effect is making the law, but not actively enforcing it - kind of like MPAA and all that crap right now?)
Enforced on a per-reported incident basis?

[jalmir]

hell if cops give ticket because your spitting on the ground I don't see why they couldn't give tickets for smoking around childrens!!!

[Tx_boy]

only if they make them illegal. We all know kids that are young can take care of other kids but to a certain extent so they do need an adult around. There is a fine line between when kids are old enough to be alone but for your neighbor to be able to call the cops if you are smoking in your house when cigarettes are legal is too much. I would understand if they where smoking crack than that would be another story!!!!!!!

[Rdizziedog]

Its not that it is a bad idea it is just cops have more to worry about than that. The only way I would agree with that law is if they made cigarettes illegal. If they are legal and it is illegal to smoke around kids than that is just one step closer to dictatorship!!!!!!!!!

Like someone said on a previous page: slow poisoning is illegal. Attempted murder is illegal. Why shouldn't smoking around people who don't want to be around it or have no choice to be around it (kids) be illegal? Just as kk4real pointed out, "secondhand smoke is seriously harmful, even in small amounts. It contains more than 4,000 compounds, hundreds of them toxic - including more than 60 known carcinogens."

For those who don't know what a carcinogen is, Webster defines it as: "a substance or agent causing cancer".

Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of toxic compounds and more than 60 compounds that are known to cause cancer. My question to you is the same as before. Why shouldn't smoking around children be illegal? You are forcing deadly, toxic, cancer-causing substances to enter their body, which could lead to numerous different diseases, cancers, or acute asthma in my case.

I've met tons of people like you before. They smoke, so they try and defend themselves by trying to make the other person look bad by pointing out things that they do, in your case you are trying to make a case about some chewing gum crap. Suck it up and accept the fact that every day you are slowly killing yourself, just as my parents are doing, and just as my grandmother and aunt did. Two members of my family are dead because they smoked, and it probably will not end there.

I for one do not want smoke anywhere around me, and I'm sure if little children knew the consequences of this nasty habit then they would not want to be around it either. When I was little I didn't know better. I lived in it for 16 years. Now I wish I had fully understood what I was living in, so I could have gotten myself away from it earlier. If smokers want to kill themselves then they can go ahead, but don't take your children, or innocent people in restaurants, with you.

[Kens GLS]

You know... many people follow the law of the land WITHOUT a cop standing over them. Ideally laws are our laws... we as society make them so we can coexist... but hey if the only way it is acceptable is if smoking is banned altogether well that surely gets my vote!
This is the USA not canada.In this country if a cops not standing over ya s h i t happens. People fear jail. If murder was legal 1 day a year what do you think would happen? Laws of the land my a s s

[Tx_boy]

I never said it was not bad for me and I did say I want to quite but I dont smoke around my kids and if your *** does not want to be around smoke than stay in your F U C K I N G house because you will always come across someone who smokes. As long as they are legal you can only tell them what they can and cant do outside of the **** they own. And with the gum I was trying to prove a point so take your *** back and reread the post and see for yourself. I am doing the same thing you are doing but you are saying I am a killer for smoking cig yet you drive a car which kills the ozone. Unless you do not drive a car than shut the F U C K up cause you are doing the same thing!!!!!!!!!!

[ArunSenior04]

If you search on asparteme causing cancer, it was the only survey out of hundreds to be completed touting it as a possible cancer causing substance.

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/120/113898.htm

April 4, 2006 (Washington) -- Diet soda lovers may be able to sip a little easier, thanks to a new study that shows that the artificial sweetener aspartame does not raise the risk of cancer.

Last year, an Italian study of rats linked low doses of aspartameaspartame -- the sweetener in NutraSweet, Equal, and thousands of consumer products -- to leukemia and lymphoma.

But the new study -- conducted in people, not rats -- found no such link. Nor did the popular sugar substitute raise the risk of brain cancer, says researcher Unhee Lim, PhD, of the National Cancer Institute.

The findings were presented at the annual meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research here.

So there is NO CONNECTION between asparteme and cancer in humans.

[Rdizziedog]

I never said it was not bad for me and I did say I want to quite but I dont smoke around my kids and if your *** does not want to be around smoke than stay in your F U C K I N G house because you will always come across someone who smokes. As long as they are legal you can only tell them what they can and cant do outside of the **** they own. And with the gum I was trying to prove a point so take your *** back and reread the post and see for yourself. I am doing the same thing you are doing but you are saying I am a killer for smoking cig yet you drive a car which kills the ozone. Unless you do not drive a car than shut the F U C K up cause you are doing the same thing!!!!!!!!!!

How old are you? You are old enough to buy and smoke cigarettes, have a kid, and own a car, yet you act like you are twelve years old. I was responding to your comment about making it illegal to smoke around children and you reply to my post with a bunch of curse words (by the way, we have a word filter on this site for a reason) and what not just because I backed my statements with facts. The issue at hand is smoking around children, not about chewing gum or driving cars. Just as I said in my last post, the only thing people like you can do is change the topic and try to justify your actions.

If you are going to reply here again please try and clean up your vocabulary. Obviously you are angry with me but this is an ongoing debate that we have here and there was no need to reply the way you did.

[Tx_boy]

What ever cause I am the only one that did that!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that cigarettes are legal you cant make it illegal to smoke around kids!!!!!! Is it wrong yes but not everybody cares though which is sad!!!!!!

[kk4real]

CO2 contributes to Global Warming (http://www.bigissueground.com/scienceandfuture/blair-co2andglobalwarming.shtml)
CO2 is bad for your health (http://www.ilpi.com/msdS/ref/carbondioxide.html) and can cause asphyxiation, kidney damage, can put you in a coma, or kill you.

The artifical sugars in chewing gum can cause diarrhea. (ouch)
Swallowing gum and choking on it has caused more than 160 deaths per year.
So yes, gum does kill. (https://www.healthforums.com/library/1,1258,article~10850,00.html)

Make no mistake: secondhand smoke is seriously harmful, even in small amounts. It contains more than 4,000 compounds, hundreds of them toxic - including more than 60 known carcinogens. (http://www.ashaust.org.au/SF'03/health.htm)




Chewing gum does not cause cancer.
The artifical sweeteners (Asparatame) in chewing gum have been linked with causing cancer.
http://chetday.com/gumchewing.htm

Chewing tobacco is a completely different story - cancer galore.
http://www.quittobacco.com/facts/effects.htm

Never said Asparatame causes cancer - but it is the same case, just like why people avoid MSG - is it really bad for you?

Scientific evidence says possibly, but not sure.

Some things are better to avoid than to take the risk, IMO.

[jh0n]

While I fully agree with Ford that people who smoke around their children should burn, I wish I could find that pic of him smoking that huge Cuban cigar :tongue:

[RedScorp]

My thoughts on this topic are this...I don't expect anyone to like them, agree with them, and I especially expect people not to act like they are 8 years old when they're making attempts to justify themselves or make or prove whatever factual or fictitious points are to be made.

I think that people who smoke around their children should be referred to childrens services for child neglect and endangerment at the least. It is the parents responsibility to provide a safe minimally harmful environment for their children. If they refuse to provide that for their children then say good-bye to your kids and say hello to the jail system. You are not only endangering your life (which is your own choice) but don't sit there and harm an innocent childs well being because of your choice however good or bad it may be for you.

If you don't smoke around your children then pay no attention to my opinion as it is not directed towards you and I will not dignify any retorts from you with an answer.

That's my opinion.

[ArunSenior04]

^Excellent post. I agree 100%.

[jalmir]

At least we can see that there is some peoples more brilliant then that woman :http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/Roasted/pregsmoker.jpg

[FordFasteRR]

Here is a helpful slide... COPD is basically what you get from smoking ....

Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease.

http://www.velocide.com/user_uploads/life_expectancy_for_copd.jpg

[soullesselantra]

so by that graph, if nothing else kills me, i can live to 70...thats more than i would want to live...48 years later...i would hope to be dead...im not one to be slowed down by age, when i cant move and am so debilitated to the point where i cant even wipe my own ***, im pulling the plug...i dont see an sense in assisted living, or being in a "home"...i want to be self sufficient, and when i cant be, ive served my purpose in life and can die knowing that

[FordFasteRR]

so by that graph, if nothing else kills me, i can live to 70...thats more than i would want to live...48 years later...i would hope to be dead...im not one to be slowed down by age, when i cant move and am so debilitated to the point where i cant even wipe my own ***, im pulling the plug...i dont see an sense in assisted living, or being in a "home"...i want to be self sufficient, and when i cant be, ive served my purpose in life and can die knowing that


I know a guy who is actually faster than me in a sprint race on the velodrome and he is 72 years old....

lol ...

My dad is 78 years old and he walks 2 miles a day AND rides his bicycle at least 15 miles per week ... just for fun.

[fgummett]

Interesting development I'd say... Calif. city rules 2nd hand smoke is a nuisance (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060826/smoke_nuisance_060826/20060826?hub=Health)

[FordFasteRR]

Interesting development I'd say... Calif. city rules 2nd hand smoke is a nuisance (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060826/smoke_nuisance_060826/20060826?hub=Health)


Wow ! Awesome post !

Thanks for the update. :tongue:

[Seinster]

New Study: Passive Smoking Raises the Risk of Heart Attack


A study of 27,000 people in 52 countries has found that passive smoking increases the risk of heart attack. Exposure for one hour a day raises the risk of heart attack by nearly 25%. Three hours exposure per day raises the risk 60%.


For smokers the the risk of heart attack triples with the risk factor rising by 5.6% for each cigarette smoked per day. The increase in risk was very similar for men and women. The risk recedes with time once a smoker quits smoking.


More than 100 million people died from tobacco related illnesses last century which is likely to rise to 1 billion this century. The study was carried out by McMaster University in Ontario, Canada and published in 'The Lancet.'


source: www.timesonline.co.uk (http://www.timesonline.co.uk)