How do we treat questions from newbies

[fgummett]

Recently I have seen "newbie" questions being treated with sarcasm on this forum. I don't think this is very helpful or productive... especially when that sarcasm is carefully worded to appear as if it is a genuine answer to what after all is a genuine question.

If that kind of response is seen as smart or clever by the majority here then I don't think this forum is the kind of place I want to be associated with... hence this poll.

How should we as a forum treat newbie questions? because so far as I can tell there will continue to be "newbie" questions unless perhaps we succeed in driving them all away

[Cypher]

i have thought about this too and i think it'd be best to make a big sticky at the top of the new member checkpoint. maybe then noobs will ACTUALLY read stickies since they always ask basic questions that are usually covered daily like the accord CAI sticky, or the wheel and tire sizes sticky. maybe also every new member should get a PM reminding them to search for something before posting.

[evan938]

maybe they should have to watch the "posting and you" video and then take some sort of quiz (stating they know the site rules and regarding searches) and score so high before letting them post.

yes, im serious

and i wish that was a multiple choice poll...im going with 2, 3, 4

[slow 2K2GT]

this place should have the same setup as NT.com, the first few posts from newbies should be screened by a moderator before it shows up on the boards. Yes its a bit more hastle and we may need to have a few more "supervisors" who can have that priveledge or will answer/direct someone properly instead of the whole forum taking a crack at them...thats a little hard to take at times.

[Cypher]

i agree with donnie's (right??? i might've forgotten your name lol) suggestion. if it was like NT then we could stop getting threads that are reposts among repost among repost. problem with that tho is that the moderators seem to have enough trouble keeping up on things as it is (that is not meant to say you're doing a lousy job to any of the mods. just simply that i know everyone else has their own lives and doesn't always have time to keep up on the site). the ONLY way we could do things like NT would be to "promote" some people.

[evan938]

this place should have the same setup as NT.com, the first few posts from newbies should be screened by a moderator before it shows up on the boards. Yes its a bit more hastle and we may need to have a few more "supervisors" who can have that priveledge or will answer/direct someone properly instead of the whole forum taking a crack at them...thats a little hard to take at times.

this has already been suggested, and there has been at least one person :rolleyes: who has offered to regulate that, im sure there are others who would as well...unfortunately, those ideas get brushed under the bed and get covered in dust

[only1db]

i think that there should be a "frequently asked question" sticky in the newb forum...and perhaps have people read it prior to posting? but in all reality...i think we have all asked noob questions.

[evan938]

only problem with stuff like stickies is that there is no way to make sure people read them, even if it is in the newbie section

for an example...the "how can i get 160 hp cheap" thread...1st post. do you think this guy signed up, said, hm, let me search around a little bit, visit the newbie section, then ask my ? ?? hell no. i can garuntee you this was his mindset..."got my new car...yahoo search 'elantra'...come up with elantraxd.com...YES!...sign up...n/a section "how do i get MORE HP!!>#@!#@!?"

i think at this point, no matter what happens, we need to have a picture of vin diesel, since you know, he's like a god. i think a screen shot of the "smoke him" part would be awesome

[Cypher]

evan's got a point. with stickies theres no guaruntee newbies will read them. ur right derek. everyone has asked newbie questions and everyone was probably hounded for it when they asked it as well but in hindsight we all should've searched first before posting such simple questions. i think the post restriction thing is a good idea. however i think giving evan more power is a bad idea lol :abovelol:

[toymachine566]

the problem is most noobs just sign up and jump into the section they have a question about.......

I doubt the first place they check is the new member checkpoint, I didnt anyway lol

depending on the type of thread that is posted, i try different answers....i.e.

1. "This cai will it fit my car" then they throw a link..........answer: short and simple - to many lengthy explanations that have been discussed thoroughly

2. "Does anyone know if 'they' make exhausts for my car"............answer: sarcasm/ingnore - to many lengthy explanations that have been discussed thoroughly

3. "what do I need for a turbo to fit my car"............answer: ignore - to many lengthy explanations that have been discussed thoroughly

thats my take.........

EDIT: i agree w/ evan and cypher

[only1db]

^ agreed....

[fgummett]

Such an unreasonable question... 150-160 HP out of a 2 litre engine..!?! how absurd..! I can't think of a single 2L that has that, let alone any 1.8L cars!

If you can understand his mindset then why teat him like an idiot?

How about some respect.

I agree that stickies etc.. don't work unless they are read... hence my question... what is the best response to these questions

[only1db]

is there some way we can not let them post till they read the stickies??

[evan938]

evan's got a point. with stickies theres no guaruntee newbies will read them. ur right derek. everyone has asked newbie questions and everyone was probably hounded for it when they asked it as well but in hindsight we all should've searched first before posting such simple questions. i think the post restriction thing is a good idea. however i think giving evan more power is a bad idea lol :abovelol:

i already know as well as anyone with something more than a head full of rocks that will never happen, and at this point, i dont care. i stopped really caring about the quality and how this board is going to **** months ago. had it been back when the board was truely (god i cant spell) helpful and a good place to come, sure, i wouldnt mind helping out. at this point, no

is there some way we can not let them post till they read the stickies??

maybe they should have to watch the "posting and you" video and then take some sort of quiz (stating they know the site rules and regarding searches) and score so high before letting them post.

and can you please edit your sig? if you're talking about a "GLOCK", please spell accordingly. if youre talking about something else....nevermind, caus i dont think you are. lol

[mtlelantra]

Ahhhhh I remember the time when newsgroups were still popular (yeah, I'm that old, which really isn't that old!), when it was polite to lurk for a month, search out old threads, get to know the personalities of the "usual suspects" and a feel for the newsgroupies' whole attitude before ever posting anything. Yup, those were the good old days...
Now everybody has the I-can't-do-anything-myself-spoon-feed-me-right-now attitude that I can't stand. I'd do #2 and perhaps if I have a few seconds, post a "lead reference" thread.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

My response to this, which is widely disregarded and looked down upon, is that the site in general needs to grow up and try treating people with respect. Noobs are just that, new to the site, and in some cases to the world of online forums. Treating someone like an idiot for asking a "basic" question is not only innappropriate, but immature. Not everyone has been here for years. With these cars getting a few years and miles on them, there are going to be countless second owners that are just getting their car and have tons of questions to ask.

Treat them with respect. Check your attitude at the door.

[Cypher]

for the most part they are treated with respect (i know i try to at least) but saying the same thing over and over again gets tiring. on the same note if it is a "basic" question then they should search cause its been answered

[fgummett]

for the most part they are treated with respect (i know i try to at least) but saying the same thing over and over again gets tiring. on the same note if it is a "basic" question then they should search cause its been answeredI think the majority of us treat them with respect...perhaps we are just not as vocal as the others. The question is how to deal with the same questions over and over again because I guarantee we will keep coming up with them. I would rather see such a question ignored than answered with misleading sarcasm that serves no-one except perhaps making the poster feel "smart". I don't think that it prompts the user to go search... at best it may confuse them and even send them off wasting money on a wild goose chase... at worst it could drive them away from this forum and who knows what they may have offered us all in the future.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Did you search everytime you had a question when you first started? I know I didn't.

While SOME do give them a little respect, the REST don't. Seems to me some love the chance to throw sarcasm and how much they know right into a newbies face.

[jalmir]

I agree with Bob here ... I answered "Other... please explain" (would've being "all of the above") ;

My answer would be that (if it's a genuine question ... I usually ignore if it's "what do I need to have 200whp cheap???") :

1 - when you have a question, do a search first, nearly all subjects are already being covered;
2 - Give a link to previous threads on the same subject;
3 - Tell the person to ask the question on an already existing thread that have the same subject!

There ... I don't think that sarcasm is the way anybody should answer a noob, doing so is the best way to look like a "little-pretentious-I-know-everything-and-I-know-it-better-then-anyone-else" !!!

It's not everyone that have the same way of doing things, I know it's annoying to see the same old questions comming back again and again, but if you want people to learn how to do things, hitting on their head with a jackhammer will not work!

Letting them know where they should start is a better way ...

[Cypher]

i like the post restriction idea alot. probably solve a good bit of them

[soullesselantra]

maybe they should have to watch the "posting and you" video and then take some sort of quiz (stating they know the site rules and regarding searches) and score so high before letting them post.

yes, im serious

and i wish that was a multiple choice poll...im going with 2, 3, 4



this should be put into effect soon :P

[toymachine566]

My answer would be that (if it's a genuine question ... I usually ignore if it's "what do I need to have 200whp cheap???") :

I agree with this also. It depends on the question and how they ask it also. Some apologize and ask to be directed in the right direction, so i have no problem looking for a link. Or sometimes a help question when they get stuck in the middle of a DIY mod and dont understand the terminology.

I get sarcastic when:
1. they ask one question and dont even bother to check back or respond
2. It's some question that would be obvious enough to search.....like, v6 swaps, reaching xxx whp n/a, or even the infamous "where can i get a cold air intake, how much, and is it hard to install"
3. or they wanna change the name of the site ;)

I did check back on my first few posts and i remeber being flogged to search.......ahhhh, memories :)

[fgummett]

...It's some question that would be obvious enough to search.....like, v6 swaps, reaching xxx whp n/a, or even the infamous "where can i get a cold air intake, how much, and is it hard to install"... trouble with that approach is that what may be an obvious noob question to you with all your experience, is clearly not an obvious noob question to the noobs that are asking them... it's the nature of the beast. Again this is why misleading sarcasm does not work... in order to realise that you are being sarcastic they first need to realise that it was an obvious question that might have been answered by a search in the first place.

And by the way... I personally feel that for someone who has not yet learnt about the limits of Elantra modding, asking how to get 150-160hp out of our 2 Litre engine is I think, a very reasonable question

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Personally speaking. . . put whatever post limits you want, the noob attacks are not goingto stop until the attitude changes. It MAY slow a little, but will soon be back when new "noob topics" are asked about.

Folks, it' not the noobs fault that they have no knowledge and ask obvious questions. They ask because they want to know. WE need to do the changing and stop the immature attacks and useless sarcasm. If you don't like the question or have a decent response, DON'T READ IT.

[jalmir]

^^^
agreed

Don't read it and DON'T POST ! ;)

[RedScorp]

My response to this, which is widely disregarded and looked down upon, is that the site in general needs to grow up and try treating people with respect. Noobs are just that, new to the site, and in some cases to the world of online forums. Treating someone like an idiot for asking a "basic" question is not only innappropriate, but immature. Not everyone has been here for years. With these cars getting a few years and miles on them, there are going to be countless second owners that are just getting their car and have tons of questions to ask.

Treat them with respect. Check your attitude at the door.

Excellent post and I completely second your point of view. I've been trying to say the same thing of late but when I call people out specificly it's just brushed aside, excused, and give the people with the blatent attitudes on this forum all the room to roam with their bull****.

I mean it's gotten to the point for me I've considered leaving this forum entirely. I'm spending a lot of time on here every day reading posts, reading the sarcasm, the attitudes, from the same people every single day. Why would anyone want to hang out here if it's a hostile atmosphere?

I think it's been ignored long enough, I dare say permitted by inaction on Super's part for quite some time now that people are actually starting to want to leave.

And it's sad that Evan has to basically **** all over the forums just because he's no longer happy with it which makes it only worse. Yeah that's somewhere I want to hangout at online...

Let me make it clear here about how I feel about Evan. I'm very happy and give him two thumbs up for his contributions to Elantra modding, tuning and everything else he's done with the car. I only singling him out because he's the biggest attitude problem. Now that's not to say that there aren't others that do the same thing but being that Evan does do it, is allowed and excused in doing it, he's a great target for the topic. I'm sure he's a cool guy, but in the time I've been here and read his posts over the last year plus I've read nothing to really convince me of that. The attitude needs to change around here...seriously.

[fgummett]

Please let's try not to make personal attacks and get this thread closed. I'd like to keep it a constructive discussion where everyone's point is valid.

I like to think that I am not unintelligent and I also have been lucky enough to work with some very clever people over the years... one thing I have learnt is that no matter how smart I think I am or how smart the folks around me are... we acheive far more by bouncing ideas off one another than by just sticking with what we each know to be true. In other words : you may think you know it all but maybe (just maybe) there are newbies out there who may throw enough of a slant on your ideas to make them into something even better... if we give them the chance...

[RedScorp]

Please let's try not to make personal attacks and get this thread closed. I'd like to keep it a constructive discussion where everyone's point is valid.

I hope your not telling me...I have done but nothing repost what Evan himself has declared on this thread to emphasize a point.

[fgummett]

It's not my place to tell anyone what to do on this forum... it was request :) I just think that naming names has a way of quickly getting out of hand and into a mudslinging contest that overshadows the original meaning of the thread.

[evan938]

nice...someone makes a stupid (yes...it was completely stupid, should have been searched for 10 seconds and could have gotten answers) post, you see a post by me with a weak flame for the first time in what....6 months...?...and then we get a big thread like this, and i get singled out

[RedScorp]

It's not my place to tell anyone what to do on this forum... it was request :) I just think that naming names has a way of quickly getting out of hand and into a mudslinging contest that overshadows the original meaning of the thread.

Look, I'm tired of the attitudes around here. I'm tired of the exceptions made and attitudes permitted around here. I'm sorry if by naming names I continue to drive the point home again, and again, and again, and again, making sure that the focus remains on the people that are the problem. I'm not doing anything more than stating the painfully obvious. I'm calling Super out right here in this thread to own up to the attitudes that he himself permits on this forum.

If it's something that he feels is acceptable than I will leave.

If he agrees with us that the attitudes need to be left at the door than DO SOMETHING about it.

I don't see the problem provided everyone acts like adults.

[fgummett]

nice...someone makes a stupid (yes...it was completely stupid, should have been searched for 10 seconds and could have gotten answers) post, you see a post by me with a weak flame for the first time in what....6 months...?...and then we get a big thread like this, and i get singled outEvan... it was not a stupid question... for someone who is new to the Elantras limits 150-160hp out of a 2 Litre engine is very reasonable. You may have started the sarcasm but it was taken up by others and the newbie was even pricing things out based on your "advice". This is also not the only thread where you have done this in the past few weeks.

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17420

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17105&highlight=sarcasm

[evan938]

the "flame" ("" marks because i dont know if it should even be considered that) was not directed at the fact that he probably wont get 150whp n/a out of an elantra, but the fact that he comes on here, expecting to be spoon fed information. if it wasn't a model specific site, it would be understood.

our local board caters to everyone, from muscle cars to ricer hondas. when someone comes on and asks something, its taken easily because there are so many different aspects of tuners, we deal with different things daily.

this is an elantra board. to come on here and ask something so basic should not be allowed. this site has been around since what...2000? 2001? thats 5-6 YEARS of information. if you cant say to yourself "hey, i wonder if anyone has ever asked about cheap n/a mods to get some hp", maybe you shouldnt join at all

[fgummett]

Let me see... this guy is new to this forum... his 5th post and he opens with, "I was thinking headers, chip, and pulley. Anyone else have some recomendations?". You call that asking to be spoonfed? I don't... if he just plain asked for suggestions or how to do it maybe... but he clearly has put some thought into it. You don't even know this guy and yet you treat him like an idiot... I don't think that is right, and I don't want to be part of an on-line community which puts up with that kind of disrepect.

[evan938]

ok. lets break it down. if he ACTUALLY knew what he was doing, im sure he would have stated something about an intake and an exhaust. I/H/E are the main 3 to get anywhere. being that he said a chip, pulley, and header, he sounds like he just read a hotrod magazine and wanted to tune his elantra.

had there been any substance to his post, or any attempt shown on his part, he may have gotten a better answer.

but i know this is going to turn into (if it hasn't already) an evan bashing thread because of a comment made regarding a stupid question. i havent said **** in the 5 months since i started posting again. one comment and you guys get your panties in a bunch

if you had an issue with what i said, you could have been a man and either PMed me or take it up outside the forum. by making this thread you are in no way concerned with what happened, you just wanted to try to generalize the situation and call me out, without doing it directly

[TidalWave]

Why not just ignore newbies if your the type to get irritated by them-- or if the question is something you like and know about and your just an all around helpful person go ahead and answer it. The restricted posting is something that I don't think would work unless you don't want any new members to join and you want to drive people away from ever coming back to this site once they have registered and realize they can't post until they've do what they're told. Like other forum boards that use this same exact format, there should be a FAQ or two, regarding the most basic and most asked questions. Anyone one with sense would read those first or within a few log-ins as they sort through the postings to find something they want to read and talk about. This would be extremely helpful and efficient since not everyone has all the time in the world to go and read through all the old posts that all the non-newbies have gone and long-forgotten about. It's interesting that there is an entire post about this subject. There will always be irritating people were ever you go even and I'd say especially on online message boards, but you can avoid those people like you would in real life. You can always block people too if they're just too inane. On some other boards I've read before sometimes newbies join together in newbie posts and moderators usually chime in to help them on their way. That is helpful and encouraging to new user enthusiasts.

My advice: Just ignore them, If you think its an elementary question and your way above that then move along and let someone else that wants to help answer!

[CTele02]

I obviously voted for sarcasm. (only one so far :) ) Although I havent used it much in the present but if you look back in the past, i would detonate nuclear bombs on each of these noobs... don't you remember the big blaring SEARCH in red with the Search box circled sig? It was rather effective. Now a days this is NOTHING compared to what we used to do. So be happy at that.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

My advice: Just ignore them, If you think its an elementary question and your way above that then move along and let someone else that wants to help answer!

You know, being in the automotive business and dealing with retail customers on a daily basis, you get to realize that not everyone has a clue as t owhat the are talking about. many people have no concept of how a car works. But that doesn't stop their enthusiam. Considering that this is an enthusuasts site, we are going to have countless questions asked that make you laugh, and sometimes cringe.

Deal with it. Not everyone can be as "gifted" as you and just need to understand things on their own level.

Evan, believe it or not everything is NOT about you. You just happen to be the most recent.

[CTele02]

What i see the problem is not just are these noobs idiots about elantra-tuning... but idiots at the whole concept of the internet and internet forums... everything is set up so it can be searched and researched and most questions have already been answered. If they aren't kind enough to use and learn from the search button, well then we don't really have to be kind in return. Say if i bought a chevy... i have no idea about chevies... but i wouldnt go up to any chevy forum and say "durrrrr does a CAI fit my car?"... cuz i've learned that that chevy forum has a search button aswell and tons of knowledge... and remember kids "Knowledge is Power!" and when my powers combine, I am Captain PLanet!

Also be happy this isnt NT or RD... and those of us that frequent both eclub and exd, don't think that eclub is so perfect... a large majority of all of us go to both sites...

And guess what you know why theres fewer Noob Flaming on elantraclub? Because most of them found exd First, and LEARNED not to be noobs.

[fgummett]

... if he ACTUALLY knew what he was doing...
IF he actually knew what he was doing he would not have asked the question in the first place.

... but i know this is going to turn into (if it hasn't already) an evan bashing thread because of a comment made regarding a stupid question. i havent said **** in the 5 months since i started posting again. one comment and you guys get your panties in a bunch

if you had an issue with what i said, you could have been a man and either PMed me or take it up outside the forum. by making this thread you are in no way concerned with what happened, you just wanted to try to generalize the situation and call me out, without doing it directly
...in the two posts I have linked above (and below) you may have started the ball rolling but your sarcasm was quickly picked up by others... hence my concern that perhaps I was out of touch and that this is now the way to treat newbies... and that perhaps this was no place for a reasonable man like myself... hence this poll.

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17420

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17105&highlight=sarcasm

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Ok, I'll try this the best that I can. Crayons don't come throught the computer very well. . .

NOT EVERYONE IS AS SMART AS YOU OR ANYONE ELSE But they still want to learn. Have some compassion for crying out loud.

[CTele02]

Ok, I'll try this the best that I can. Crayons don't come throught the computer very well. . .

NOT EVERYONE IS AS SMART AS YOU OR ANYONE ELSE But they still want to learn. Have some compassion for crying out loud.

Lol using my own tactics I see... BIG CAPITAL Letters.... i remember it worked so well when i used them to tell noobs to search. Size 6 is a nice touch. I recommend using Bold and Underlined next time.

[fgummett]

What i see the problem is not just are these noobs idiots about elantra-tuning... but idiots at the whole concept of the internet and internet forums... everything is set up so it can be searched and researched and most questions have already been answered. If they aren't kind enough to use and learn from the search button, well then we don't really have to be kind in return. Say if i bought a chevy... i have no idea about chevies... but i wouldnt go up to any chevy forum and say "durrrrr does a CAI fit my car?"... cuz i've learned that that chevy forum has a search button aswell and tons of knowledge...you know at 46 years old this was the very first internet forum I ever joined... I am fairly computer savvy but I can remember the days when there was no internet. Being unsure of the etiquette I just read around the forum for a while before I dared make my first post... now my 15 year old son he has never even known a time without 24/7 cable internet access so he tends to just dive right in there and get his hands dirty... so I guess many other of his generation do the same..? Once you know something it's hard to un-know it and imagine what it feels like not to know it.. but trust me there are many many people out there who are not car-forum savvy and do not know the "rules"... that does not automatically make them idiots... they may even have something valuable to contribute if they get the chance

[TidalWave]

It's funny some people would rather spend more energy getting mad about newbies and annoyed then just ignoring it and keeping to their own interests and posts. I came to this board to find out what other people do with the Elantras to get some ideas for my new Elantra that is my first car. I will probably never put any big fancy things on it but I think it is really neat and fun to look at the other ones and wish I had the money and time and knowledge to do that and probably after using this board or maybe one like it (or maybe not) to give me a few ideas and sources. And I will be happy with my little factory made car and I will do what I can to it. I think this board would be very helpful for people like me. But this feels too much like junior high school and this is more annoying I think than newbies have ever been on any fricking message board on any subject I have ever seen! People are acting like it's fricking bubble gum popping junior high teeny boppers bickering about who is in and who is out of the supercool click! I know I am contributing to this idiocy but it irks me people are so ignorant and arrogant. I will have to ignore this thread from now on so I don't waist anymore time having my IQ dwindled down.

[CTele02]

I guess theres 4 types of people on this forum-
1. Noobs
2. People that Hate on Noobs
3. People that Hate on the People that Hate on Noobs
4. And the I Really Don't give a ****s (in that Carlos Mencia way that he said it when the guy that got shot by Vice President Dick Cheney said he didnt care)

[fgummett]

No... there are three types of people.. those that can count and those that can't :D

Seriously... why use the word "Hate"... I think that anything that extreme can only lead to harm. And I for one do not hate the people that hate newbs ...what gives you the right tell me what I am feeling?


EDIT: sorry I had added to this thread asking "why he kept posting if he didn't care?" but removed that after re-reading the post.. my mistake. Yup.. I'm only human after all! :)

[BobMs_wht2k2]

For the attention?

[CTele02]

For the attention?
Post count *****es e-cred yo! Now if only i could change my name to Ctele05 so i didnt lose all my posts!

[SuperGLS]

There are various routes to take on this kind of thing. The best include:

1. Answering the question to your best ability.
2. Answering the question breifly and ask them to search because you can remember similar topics.
3. Answering the question in short and provide a link to another thread (because everyone who normally would suggest searching is so good at it that it shouldn't take more than 3 seconds to do it).
4. If you have nothing to add that is meaningful, don't say anything.

We are planning on adding some new mods this week.

[RedScorp]

There are various routes to take on this kind of thing. The best include:

1. Answering the question to your best ability.
2. Answering the question breifly and ask them to search because you can remember similar topics.
3. Answering the question in short and provide a link to another thread (because everyone who normally would suggest searching is so good at it that it shouldn't take more than 3 seconds to do it).
4. If you have nothing to add that is meaningful, don't say anything.

We are planning on adding some new mods this week.

That's great Super that you're adding more mods...but you're dancing around this issue. What is going to make sure the attitudes and sarcasm are kept checked at the door? That is the real issue here...

[SuperGLS]

Ask everyone here, which of whom 98% can be considered adults, to act like mature adults. That's all it should take if everyone actually cared.

[RedScorp]

I agree yes, but common sense and maturity is not prevailing on this forum...not at least with a small minority of people. I may be wrong but I think whatever friendships have been established over the past months or years get in people's way. You can't expect to maintain a forum of organization and maturity while the minority are allowed to run amuck just because the moderators and admins don't want to regulate their friends and tell them to knock their crap off.

You can't mix business and pleasure unless you can handle both in complete equality and fairness.

[soullesselantra]

Ask everyone here, which of whom 98% can be considered adults, to act like mature adults. That's all it should take if everyone actually cared.


**stomps foot** but i dont WANNA!!!!! :D you know im kiddin james :D

[elantra_ON]

hmmm... was away from this forum for awhile and not really reading up... but this is very interesting.

Why? well just recently I have posted a question. May sounded stupid to some people, but i dont think so. i sort of got flamed for it.

I'm not a noob in this site. nor am i pro.

I just like to read up and learn from people.

My point is, people ask questions cuz they want to learn. And they will also learn to do a search when asked. Sarcastic remarks are just going to turn people off.

there are a few here who are very mature in handling things, some are not so mature.

so how do we treat questions from newbies? or maybe anyone???

with RESPECT.

[rubenz]

why don't we just help them without bashing them?

[silversharkXD2]

i dont think there is any one answer to this question...its one thing to tell a guy "no there are no altezza tails for the elantra". But it's another to tell a guy "are you stupid....no that thing on ebay wont really give you 20 horse power".

Use common sense....thats how we should treat their querstion

[ChrisS95TA]

My experience has been great, I have been treated well since my first day here. I am now buying from members and also getting good answers to my qustions. As far as I am concerned I have been treated AWESOME! :bowdown: :bowdown: