War coming to a globe near you?

[yamaha]

Has anyone else been watching the news today?
Airports around the world delayed or closed due to terriorst planing on bring liquid explosives onboard.

What to do with the world today?

What is everyone's perdiction of when the next world war will happen?
I believe it will happen within ten years or less at the current rate of events.




*This is a rant and rave about whats happening but any signs of racisium I want a mod to close*

[CTele02]

Well theres the whole situations with North Korea.... Iran... Syria... Somalia... the rise of terrorism/piracy(as in real pirates taking ships).

-Afghanistan and Iraq were problems that needed to be dealt with but North Korea and Iran are the two that should of been "addressed" first. I saw Saddam as more of a "stabilizing" figure in Iraq and the Middle East as a whole... It was known that if terrorists or Iran f-ed with him, he would not hold back on counter attacking/punishment. Kinda like the "stalin" of his era/region. He suppressed the many terrorist groups to have risen from his tyranny and he was in a ten year war with Iran (which we sided with Iraq mostly at the time). Afghanistan cannot be controlled... too little infrastructure... too many mountains... too many tribes of varying/opposing goals. The US set that situation up when the USSR tried to invade and it was opposed by many US backed "militias/freedom fighters" that now adays we refer to as "terrorists". Osama Bin Laden included.

-Pakistan is run by its military and a coop could lead that nation down hill into a war with India (both nuclear powers). They've fought in wars in the past, had many skirmishes and terrorist activities between the two countries still go on.

-China has increasingly focused its war plan on anti-carrier tactics... anti-carrier missiles and submarines. They are always fighting over the rights over Taiwan and dominion of Asia.

-Increased Piracy (especially in the South Asian waters) are most likely linked to terrorist organizations.

[TwistedAvante]

With the political asperations of the world in mind mainly gas prices, and the already unstable middle east, it is fair to say that within the next ten years there will be great changes in society, if its a world war or if its a "revolution" of terrorist groups worldwide...its bound to happen

The question is when and who will strike first? or did that already happen on September 11, 2001??

"Diffucult times are comming, we just need to know the difference between what is right and what is easy" - X-men, The Last Stand

[hyunelan2]

However bleak the situation may look, it's not a necessarily a road to ww3. In the 60s, 70s, & 80s - everyone was SURE there would be a nuclear war with the USSR any day - but we averted that. Granted, that was 2 civilized, intellegent nations dealing with each other - not small radical extremest groups. Still, I don't think that it is inevitable. We'll be tied up in Iraq/Afghanistan for probably the better part of 10 years, which means we won't be going after anyone else unless they came at us (our our interests) first... somehing I think a lot of countries pretend to be able to do, but know in reality that very bad things would happen if they did.

When push comes to shove if it's really a desparate war situation, we can instantly go back to 'fighting to win,' instead of fighting 'for politics'. Look what we did to Dresden Germany in WW2... we massacred an entire city of civilians... and we've got bigger bombs now (not even nuclear speaking, just conventional) and we could decimate entire populations if it were turly a WW3 'fight to the end' style of campaign. I think eveyone knows that, and no-one wants that.

[CTele02]

Yes if anyone is having "over-population" issues they know who to call.... not to mention that those ww2 bombers were done carpet bomb style... with thousands of b17s and other heavy bombers attacking at the same time.... Now a days only a dozen planes would be needed to "indiscriminately" destroy a city with conventional bombs. The planes and bombs/missiles travel many times faster than in ww2...

[jalmir]

I agree with hyunelan2, it can be avoided, but if it happens I'm sure we and our child will see it ... I just hope that we will be spare from that, a WW leads to atrocyties, no one want's it, not even those who start it (in the exception of some big military)!

I really hope it never come to an Iraq situation all around the world!

EDIT : Now with the technology they don't even need planes to bomb a place, target identification can be done by satellites and missiles can be shot from destroyers salling in internationnal waters ... just the thought scares me!

[g35doc]

I highly doubt there will be another world war anytime time soon, but I don't have any faith in the middle east getting any better. All I see for the forseeable future is more and more terrorists and a worsening iraq.

[BlackElantraGT]

I think the war against terrorism will only get worse, but at this point with the Bush administration, I don't think Americans have the faith in our gov't to support world war. I think there are/will be bigger problems to deal with at home than to jump into another war without the public's support. Issues with North Korea and Iran will have to be dealt diplomatically to save the U.S.' face and regain international relations.

My prediction is that the U.S' biggest problem will be another recession, maybe the worst we've seen since the depression. I think the interest rates at this point is still too high for the economy we're in, but yet the fed is still keeping it at the same rate. They may want to look at Japan's situation where their bank raised interest rates too soon when their economy showed signs of improvement, but only for it to cause their economy to go back down. For the past few years Japan's interest rates were basically at 0%, and within the past month they were contemplating whether or not to raise the interest rate to 0.5%. I haven't followed up on that yet so I don't know what they decided to do.

I think the U.S. dollar right now is over-inflated, add to that the rising cost of oil, and a housing bubble bust possibly on the horizon, we might be seeing another recession sooner than we expected.

[OPZ]

Personally, and I don't know much about politics or whatever so this is just my idea, but I belive America's "#1" status is almost gone. Other then the sheer amount of power we have, I think it'd be best to just back out of everything, let them sort it out, and defend ourselves and our best intrest only.

Im probably wrong, but why bother trying to be the world's police force when EVERYONE hates us for it...?

[jalmir]

^^^

From not living in the US yet near you, I can see why your hated from the world in general, here I'll just give you opinions around me, those are not mine, I personnally don't have problems with americans as long as they don't have any problems with me ... respect me and I'll respect you!

Again not from me but gathered around the web and friends ;

- When you talk to an american, they are in most case arogant and brag about how they are better then the rest of the planet;
- Lot's of american don't know jack about geography including their own;
- US foreing politics are the worst ever, they go somewhere to protect rescources they need and give false reasons to their citizens and to other contry;
- Even if in term of money the USA is the biggest country they are in fact the planet's rednecks;

that's the general word going around here and in other countries, the Bush administration is not helping this at all!!!

EDIT : even tho I don't like the Bush administration, I do like americans, I have some US friends and know some others, to me your like any other citizens around this tiny planet, I think it's just unfair that all citizens from a country suffers from some of their leader's bad moves ...

[ArunSenior04]

I dunno I kinda think a big war, maybe not WW3 is coming. Just looking back at history, we can see how one event can trigger almost a butterfly effect around the world.

If Iran supports hezbollah, which bases in Syria, why shouldnt Israel go after Iran? I think the moment those two begin, is when "all hell breaks loose" in the middle east due to the various allegiences.

[CTele02]

Iran supporting hezbollah would be a bigger smoking gun that links Iran to terrorists than whatever Bush tried to do with Saddam/Iraq and Al Qaeda... So for Bush not to go after Iran for that terrorist link, would be hypocritical of him.

[QuickSilverGT]

:2gunsfiri :thumbsup:

We take a ruthless, cruel leader down and stay to make sure the new government has a handle on things before we go and we are considered the douches of the world.

It's kinda as if you break down on the side of the road, and the mechanic who gets you going follows you a couple of miles to make sure everything is fine... and then being *****y because he's following you.

If it was up to me I would've leveled the entire middle east. I can't imagine what is going through the head of those extremist... well the area in general. I've met a few people from the middle-east and while not all seemed nuts, there were quite a few that I wouldn't want to meat in a dark alley. It's just a different way of life I guess.

[punkrocker3_00]

I think we will see a major war in the next 20 years. I am not going to say 10 years just because even though things seem to be building up to that, I don't think a major war will be seen. I think it will be going down in the middle east. I think we will stay out of most of it for a while, but I think our ties to Isreal will cause us to go in. Either that or something will happen hear in the US. Maybe another Pearl Harbor or 9/11, who knows. But I am 100% positive that if something like that happens again on American soil, pride in America will soar and everyone will be behind our soldiers like we should be all the time. People will be lining up again to join the armed forces and will will take care of what we need too.

[cobase]

I don't think the situation is ripe for any seriously large conventional war. The only powers I can think of comparable to the US military is maybe a Russia-China alliance. China is happy selling us stuff and buying oil and our debt and Russia, as strained as relations may get, is not our enemy right now.

These terrorists have virtually no troops, no equipment and very very few allies. They're not going to destroy the US by blowing up some buildings and planes. Even the worst-case scenario of having several cities nuked... then what? They can hurt us, but they can't win unless we help them, by being terrorized. In that way, we might be losing this war. We have our government listening on our international phone calls, parsing through our private phone records and monitoring the internet. We're holding people without charges, indefinitely. Our press is being told to shut up. We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars on a war that was a mistake instead of improving our schools and health system. We're torturing people and now want to ammend the War Crimes Act to absolve ourselves. This war isn't about surviving. It's about scaring us into abandoning our principles, into becoming a different country.
WashingtonPost (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/08/AR2006080801276.html?nav=rss_politics)
LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-warcrimes10aug10,1,5713474.story)
Miami Herald (http://origin.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/15237892.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_nation)
Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003187698_detainees10.html?syndication=rss)
Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/08/10/white_house_proposes_retroactive_war_crimes_protec tion/)

[GrGaKC]

And here's my opinion of what just might happen...
Israel will continue it's aggresion against Lebanon, and in a month's time they will come near their capital. At that time Iran, along with Syria, will provide military personell and equipment to Lebanon. Israel will then gain allies of their own (and probably more equipment form USA) to launch a full-scale attack. In time other muslim countries will join sides with Lebanon, and jewish countries will try and help Israel. UN will be torn between those that want to help Israel to stop Hezbollah, and those that want to help Lebanon in it's (already happening) humanitarian crisis. Since Lebanon officials are firm in rejecting any military help from the UN, and Israel refusing to sign a cease-fire for the next 72 hours (for delivery of medical supplies etc.), this is starting to look like a possible large-scale war, but not yet a WW.

[only1db]

:2gunsfiri :thumbsup:

We take a ruthless, cruel leader down and stay to make sure the new government has a handle on things before we go and we are considered the douches of the world.

It's kinda as if you break down on the side of the road, and the mechanic who gets you going follows you a couple of miles to make sure everything is fine... and then being *****y because he's following you.

If it was up to me I would've leveled the entire middle east. I can't imagine what is going through the head of those extremist... well the area in general. I've met a few people from the middle-east and while not all seemed nuts, there were quite a few that I wouldn't want to meat in a dark alley. It's just a different way of life I guess.


what arogant, ignorant americans :stupid:

ok lets get things straight...i agree with whomever said that saddam was a stabalizing factor...they are completely right...those "killings" happened more than 20 years ago!!! and it was in the midst of a civil war!!!! WTF did we do during our own civil war??? he was merely crushing the rebellion before it could be started...did inoccent people die...yup...but you know what the majority of the people were better for it. Saddam also kept that country on lock down!! there were NO terrorist groups in IRAq EVER! its only when we as an ignorant country decided that were going to finish daddies war that the terrorist started in on us...dont get me wrong...we can link this back to the late 70's early 80's when terrorism really started hardcore...if ever we should have dealt with it...it should have been then...

iran...i dont even know what to put...

N. Korea...as long as china backs us...we should take out kim...not a full war...but just black ops and take him out.

isreal and lebanon...well this was coming...this is one of the reasons that the terrorists hate us...we gave land that was rightfully somebody else's and gave it to the jews....say you had a farm...100 acres...and somebody was like...hey your done farming and you have to give 50 acres to these people...you would be like **** YOU!!! we should have never given isreal to hte jews...we just pissed alot of people off. if anything... we should have given them parts of germany and poland...but because some stupid book says that they are the choosen ones they get first pick...what a load of crap! yet another example how religion can warp the mind. i would like to see isreal go after iran...iran would just light isreal up...and it would be gone! then would not have to worry about them any more and who's side we are on.


oh btw...we will more than likely be in hte midst of an ice age in the next 10-20 years...so i dont see a war coming down anytime soon...unless its for warmer land and food. ;)

[TwistedAvante]

The real problem in the middle east is the US tie to Israel, all this military action has no meaning to the US otherwise(besides oil)

It all comes down to religious background, Israel is declaired Jewish and has been hated and fought against by the Arab states for centuries, if Israel persists in its occupancy, the middle east will unite against them especially if Israel desides to take Lebanon...It would be a terrable time, because Israel has advanced weaponry in comparison to the region(mostly US technology) and the arab states would ask for UN/global support and the US would have to pick a side, Iran Lebanon Syria (basically all arab countrys) - or - Israel we already support Israel and their occupancy goes allong with bush's stradegy

Israel needs to halt their offensive, allow Lebanon to assist its people, and get the hell out

Remember Iraq....we dont want another of those

[ArunSenior04]

Yea I always thought Israel's technology was far more advanced than Irans? What would happen if Israel were to target those nuclear plants Iran is working on?

I personally think Israel could take Iran looking back at previous Arab-Israeli conflicts (ie. the 6 day war.)

[only1db]

the only reason would be because the US would be backing them...hell we even trained their troops.

dont get it twisted...osma is right...we are trying to take over the mideast...irag was only stage 1.

[ArunSenior04]

Yea, israels tech is way more advanced than Iran. With tech nearly as advanced as the US (icbms, satellites, advanced missiles, anti-ballistic missile systems, and nukes that are able to hit anywhere in the middle east), I dont think iran (fledgling nuclear power) would stand a chance. The main part of the war would be over in a few months.

[hyunelan2]

Isreal tech = provided by the United States, along with some of their own. I'm trying to remember the numbers here, it's something like: "The U.S. gives them $2.8B annually in aid, with $2.4B of that being military aid."

[ArunSenior04]

You should read Wiki articles on their tech.
I never knew they were as advanced as they were. They have satellites, anti ballistic missiles, nukes capable of hitting anywhere in the middle east. Theres no way Iran would take Isreal down easily, if, at all.

Heres the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Israeli_Military_Technology

"The IDF is considered to be one of the most high-tech armies in the world, possessing top-of-the-line weapons and computer systems, Some of it American-made or indigenously modified (such as the M4A1 assault rifle, F-15 Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcon jets and Apache helicopter). Israel receives more than US$2 billion per year in military aid from the United States, and much of it requires that American equipment be purchased with it. In spite of this however, Israel also has developed its own independent weapons industry. Weapons such as the Merkava battle tank, Kfir jet series, and various small arms such as the Galil assault rifle and Uzi submachine gun have all proven to be very successful."

"Israel and the United States are the only countries in the world with an anti-ballistic missile defense system ("Hetz", Arrow, or Patriot (U.S.) developed with funding and technology from the United States), though an operational system is in place protecting the Moscow area. Israel also worked with the U.S. on development of a tactical high energy laser system against medium range rockets (the now-discontinued Nautilus THEL)."

"The current size and composition of Israel's nuclear stockpile is uncertain, and is the subject of various estimates and reports. FAS estimates that Israel probably has 100-200 nuclear warheads, which can be delivered by airplanes (A-4 Skyhawk or converted F-4 Phantom II), or ballistic missiles (Lance, Jericho or Jericho II missiles). The Jericho II is reported to have a range between 1,500 and 4,000 km, meaning that it can target sites as far away as central Russia, Iran and Libya."

[TwistedAvante]

Understand that without the US, Israel is too well hated to exist and through US assistance Israel has access to Satallite technology and alot of other equiptment that makes it the area power it is, but without the US this advantage doesn't exist, Israel does have the military power(alone) to resist a single countrys offence or Lebanon's defence as it may be, but if the entire middle east were to create an alliance then Israel itself cannot win...

Remember, no matter the size of the millitary, Peace is what we want, a major war is not good for anybody especially with the economic climate the world is currently in not to mention the would be expected rise in oil costs and prices

[ArunSenior04]

if the entire middle east were to create an alliance then Israel itself cannot win...


I think a situation like that would bring about WW3. in that section of the world. Various allies on both sides would be forced to join. (ie. Isreal's friend in Asia, India, which could bring in Asia.)

[TwistedAvante]

I think it would be a regional war with other more distant countries only providing monetary and equiptment assistance, not really a WW

Lets just hope it doesnt come to that

[GrGaKC]

I think that you're forgetting one big thing here... If the scenarion would really come true, Iran and Syria would have the advantage of their nations being military-oriented all along. Iran takes great pride in their army, and Syria (AFAIK) has one of the best covert operatives in Middle East.

[ArunSenior04]

I think that you're forgetting one big thing here... If the scenarion would really come true, Iran and Syria would have the advantage of their nations being military-oriented all along. Iran takes great pride in their army, and Syria (AFAIK) has one of the best covert operatives in Middle East.


True, but today's wars are less about troop numbers, and more about tech superiority. Whats the purpose of sending in troops, when you can hit your enemy from hundreds of miles away. Technology can easily level the playing field. (Israel is decades ahead of many of neighbors, including Iran, when it comes to technology, resources, etc etc)

[GrGaKC]

True, but you're forgeting that nowadays you can buy almost anything (if not everything) on the black market. So it's not impossible that Iran or Syria already have a secret stockpile. Don't forget that even Saddam had some weapons made in USA that nobody knows where he got them...

[ArunSenior04]

True, but you're forgeting that nowadays you can buy almost anything (if not everything) on the black market.

One or two blackmarket (prolly not extremely advanced) nukes for Iran and Syria vs the 100-200 state of the art nukes + the anti ballistic missile system of Israel.

Can you imagine what would happen to the whatever middle eastern nation that uses nuclear power against Israel?

Plus its not easy to hide stock piles of nukes without someone knowing. (i.e. Un inspecters, other country's satellite spying (like how US did Iraq), etc etc.) getting, maintaining, and utilizing nuclear power isnt as simple as you make it sound.

[GrGaKC]

True, but they are extremists, so they just might wander up into Israel carrying them on their backs ;)

[ArunSenior04]

True, but they are extremists, so they just might wander up into Israel carrying them on their backs ;)

LOL. I never thought about that even thought they may weigh tons.

[GrGaKC]

Nah, now seriously... I think that WW3 is only possible if everyone starts attacking everyone else, and USA stays neutral...

[ArunSenior04]

Yea I think your right. The next huge war is prolly less in the middle east, and more in Asia.

[hyunelan2]

Don't forget that even Saddam had some weapons made in USA that nobody knows where he got them...

We know exactly where he got them - the U.S. sold them to him during the Iran-Iraq war. However, we also sold weapons to Iran (remember the Iran-contra affair?).

[CTele02]

you guys gotta realize that the muslims fight among themselves... sunni vs s h itte vs kurd... so im 100% there wont be some big muslim alliance... they just have been fighting eachother so long to give up and join forces... thats how ignorant they are.

[BlackElantraGT]

you guys gotta realize that the muslims fight among themselves... sunni vs s h itte vs kurd... so im 100% there wont be some big muslim alliance... they just have been fighting eachother so long to give up and join forces... thats how ignorant they are.

blood is thicker than water

I don't have a good relationship with my family, but if harm were to come their way and I had the ability to stop it, you better bet my @ss that I'll be there in time of need.

Like a few others have said, we're only in this mess because of the U.S' support of Israel. We're basically the older, bigger brother that Israel can depend on if they managed to get into some trouble and that is the reason why the Muslim world hates us so much.

Without us, Israel would not exist. Israel is such a small country yet it has one of the most advanced military? Something doesn't add up there. For such a small minority, Jewish people sure have a lot of power, not only in Israel, but especially in the United States.

If war were to start, even with it's more advanced military, Israel would not be able to do it by themselves. You can have the most advanced military in the world but that doesn't guarantee a victory. The enemy will just get smart and fight dirty. If you truly believe in what you're fighting for and fight with passion, there's a high chance you'll be the winner. If you don't believe this, just think of Vietnam and the current situation in Iraq.

[GrGaKC]

I have a better example... The war in Croatia some 10-15 years ago (1991-1995). We had almost nothing to start with (volunteers + 4 captured tanks + 2 MiG 21's who changed sides) against what was then known as the 3rd largest european army (courtesy of the old USSR). Yet we won! So why should Israel win?

[ArunSenior04]

Looking back at Israel's military past (6 day war; a war where Israel went up against several of its neighbors, and was able to almost triple its size.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Israel_Defense_Forces#The_1967_Six-Day_War
"The Six-Day War had great consequences for the state of Israel and the IDF. In six days Israel had tripled its territory and defeated three Arab armies - Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Yitzhak Rabin, Moshe Dayan, Israel Tal, Moshe Peled and Mordechai Gur were admired by the public as "war heroes" while the IAF pilots won unprecedented prestige and were considered to be "the best pilots in the world" (even today, the IAF is considered to be one of the most competent air forces in the world)."

(The 6day war is rather interesting. It starts when Egypt mobilizes 100K troops on the Sinai peninsula, and closing the striats to Israeli ships; both steps seen as a signal of war. On 6/5/67, Israel launched a mjor air strike against Egypt, Jordan, and Syria air forces. By noon of that day, their airforces were annihilated. There are a few other wars between the countries afterwards. (Yom Kipper, etc etc) )

In just 6 days, Israel had defeated its neighbors. With just troops, and air power. Now include the advancements they have in troops, air force, ballistics, and nuclear power.

Check this out (6 day war):
Israel: 779 killed
2563 wounded
15 prisoners

Other Nations: 21000 killed
45000 wounded
6000 prisoners
over 400 aircraft destroyed

The only way Syria could stand a chance, is the fight dirty tactic (like in Iraq.) Not knowing the enemy, etc etc. But if war were to commence between israel, syria, and iran, i bet alot of crap would be destroyed in Syria and Iran in the first few months or year, with the land fighting of the diff cells later on. (like in Iraq) If other nations were to join (Egypt) I could see Israel possibly losing, as I dont think they could sustain a war on 3 fronts. But, if other nations joined against Israel, im sure we would too.

I have a better example... The war in Croatia some 10-15 years ago (1991-1995). We had almost nothing to start with (volunteers + 4 captured tanks + 2 MiG 21's who changed sides) against what was then known as the 3rd largest european army (courtesy of the old USSR). Yet we won! So why should Israel win?

I thought that was between the Croatians and Serbians (Yugoslav)?

In essence, there will always be war in the middle east. They have been fighting over that land for thousads of years. I cant see a war, of any kind over that, stopping that. If Israel was gone, perhaps there would be less conflict, but then it would prolly switch to war between the various ethnicities.

The next huge war wont be in the middle east, but in space against the moonies and their death stars and deloreans. Think about it.... lol

[GrGaKC]

The war WAS against Croatians and Serbians, me being a Croat :D . But USSR gave all the weapons to the former Yugoslavia, and all those ended up being stationed in Beograd (serbian capital). In 1990 the army was officially the 3rd largest in Europe, with USSR having the largest. Among other, the reason they got those weapons is that USSR tried to maintain the socialist regime in Yugoslavia at that time.

[CTele02]

Whats sad is Iran can not attack Israel (by ground) since it is blocked by Iraq/Turkey
http://www.theodora.com/maps/new8/middle_east.jpg
Syria would pretty much be alone in the fight directly against Israel and would get owned. While Iran's airforce and infrastructure would get destroyed/bombed by Israel's superior planes. Also the US controlled Iraq would allow planes to fly over Iraq but no Iranians to fly or move over Iraq. Thus Israel is buffered by Iraq. Egypt and Jordan would not join in since they have become more "peaceful" nations and respectful of Israel's sovereignty. They also learned their lessons in the 6day war to not mess around and think shear numbers would will the day.

[ArunSenior04]

Good points Ctele.

[paki]

you guys gotta realize that the muslims fight among themselves... sunni vs s h itte vs kurd... so im 100% there wont be some big muslim alliance... they just have been fighting eachother so long to give up and join forces... thats how ignorant they are.

right right.. just all ignorance. dick.

like BlackElantraGT said, blood is thicker than water. its just like the bull**** that happens with certain US soldiers who are racist. Sure, they'll fight each other, but when it comes to the battlefield they're all one race.

as far as iran goes, they've got planes too. and maybe you've forgotten, but turkey isn't controlled by the US. if iran wanted to, i'm sure they could get soldiers to syria through turkey

[ArunSenior04]

The problem with that is Turkey is a friend of Israel. Israel, Turkey, and India are seen as a the triple entente of the middle east almost.

Its kinda amazing, because Turkey is a muslim country. But through trade, and the pursuit of common goals, they have had a good relationship with Israel. In 98, they joined the Ankara Pact, an alliance between the Us, Turkey, and Israel.

And Im sure the IDF, could handle the Iranian air force.

[CTele02]

sorry paki but i just say it how it is.... the facts point to a civil war based on "religious" lines in Iraq, even in Afghanistan the different tribes war among themselves instead of uniting 100%.

Turkey deals with terrorism all the time (just it doesnt make the big news stories) so they would be more than happy to put terrorist breathing grounds (Syria and Iran) out of action.

[GrGaKC]

Well, no war after all... I for one am glad our predictions didn't come true. Altho Iran is still making threats about them using their mid-ranged rocketry against Israel.

[CTele02]

the war isnt over... both sides claim "victory"... the terrorists are still there... thus this will eventually erupt again if the terrorists aren't dismantled by their own government...

[ArunSenior04]

Yea I have to agree this isnt over. Remember this whole event erupted after a hostage situation of 2 troops. Things like that happen all the time over in the middle east. As long as Iran, keeps funding Israel-targeted terrorist groups, it'll never be over. The action may just subside, until something comes along, and "breaks the camel's back," and unleashes all hell on either side.

[cobase]

It's always a loooong story over there when you start asking who started what. Yes, Hezbollah "kidnapped," two soldiers according to Israel. According to Hezbollah, they "captured," two soldiers at the border with occupied territory (i.e. non-Israeli territory that is occupied by Israeli troops despite UN resolutions that they should withdraw, because it's a strategic location they captured in this or that war which they did or did not start... etc, etc...etc... sigh

[hyunelan2]

Well, it's looking like the cease fire may have been more of a "time out" than an end:

BEIRUT, Aug. 15 - Hezbollah refused to disarm and withdraw its fighters from the battle-scarred hills along the border with Israel on Tuesday, threatening to delay deployment of the Lebanese army and endangering a fragile cease-fire.



http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14366654/

[GrGaKC]

True, and rumor has it that Lebanese government told them they can keep their weapons as long as they don't show it in public. Won't be long and more conflicts will follow.