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63vetteman
07-26-2004, 04:28 PM
i have this steering wheel vibration, like the kind you get if your wheels are out of balance. the dealer said they'd balance my tires for $ 60, so i had it done at firestone for $ 28, but the problem is still there, but only at above 62 mph. does anyone know what else could be doing this, the alignment's good, psi is right, still stumped.

canadianshark74
07-26-2004, 05:03 PM
sounds exactly what i had with my car, and it drove me crazy.
alingment was good, wheels were brand new, balanced perfectly, the correct psi. everything and my steering still shaked while going over 100kph.

It is probably your STRUTS, there is supposed to be a high speed dampener inside the struts that sometimes go bad.
i had a vibration in my steering wheel with both sets of rims i had. and i couldn't figure out what it was. it only shook over 100/kph it was very weird, my wheels were balanced perfect, and my winters rims shook too.

i replaced my oem struts with KYBs and, voila no more shaking.

so, depending how old your stock struts are, you might want to invest in a set of KYBs the offer a little firmer ride and will probably get rid of your shaking. get an alignment after the install too.

hope this helps

Leviathant
07-26-2004, 05:16 PM
There's another thread that touches on these problems. I've read about it here, elantragtclub, and on edmunds, and the only person who's offered up a "I fixed it!" message was on Edmunds, where they had hub centric rings installed, which apparently fixed the problem. This was a random person though, and I don't think anyone here has tried it yet.

canadianshark74
07-26-2004, 05:21 PM
i had hubcentric rings and it still shook.

only after i had my struts replaced and then an alingment, did the shaking go away

but yes, if you don't have them you should get them first , they are a hell of a lot cheaper than struts.

jameswing
07-26-2004, 05:22 PM
There was a therad saying that our suspention was really sencitive to the slightest amount of off-balance. He had them rebalanced, and the vibration went away. The guy just needed to do a better job balancing.

hyunelan2
07-26-2004, 05:30 PM
I've got the same thing, only above 62 mph, just like you. I had it on my OEM wheels & tires, I've got it on my aftermarket wheels & tires. I have hubcentric adapters too. I was going to try an alignment, but am worried that's not gonna fix it. Dealer will prob. be a PITA, since I have aftermarket wheels. I was just thinking about waiting until winter when the OEMs go on, then taking it in.

Have you noticed any inconscistancies? Like it'll shake for a while, then mysteriously stop for a minute... then start again... that's what I've got.

2GTS
07-26-2004, 05:34 PM
When I went to Discount Tire I think,it might have been somewhere else, they mentioned that there is more than one way to balance a wheel. Supposedly there is some sort of dynamic balancing that would result in weights being placed away from the lip of the rim instead of only at the lip or as close as possible as most places do. In their words they balance the whole wheel not just the side that faces out.

jameswing
07-26-2004, 06:16 PM
We put those type of things on some of our vans at my work, they work realy good, but I have only seen them for larger vehicles & motorcycles. We use them to compensate for when people get chuncks of mud and crap on their wheels while 4x4ing.

http://www.centramatic.com
http://www.balancemasters.com

The centramatic ones have little pellets suspended in oil, and the balancemasters use mercury.

Here is a little demo of them working.
http://www.centramatic.com/Demo/demo.php
go to how it works.

canadianshark74
07-26-2004, 06:23 PM
Have you noticed any inconscistancies? Like it'll shake for a while, then mysteriously stop for a minute... then start again... that's what I've got.
i had that exact problem

2GTS
07-26-2004, 06:39 PM
We put those type of things on some of our vans at my work, they work realy good, but I have only seen them for larger vehicles & motorcycles. We use them to compensate for when people get chuncks of mud and crap on their wheels while 4x4ing.

http://www.centramatic.com
http://www.balancemasters.com

The centramatic ones have little pellets suspended in oil, and the balancemasters use mercury.

Here is a little demo of them working.
http://www.centramatic.com/Demo/demo.php
go to how it works.
That's not quite what was described to me. From what I remember of the conversation the same style tape weights would be used and the placement would be closer to the center or inner lip of the rim.

jameswing
07-26-2004, 06:45 PM
I've seen those also.

Leviathant
07-26-2004, 06:46 PM
Yeah, it's strange. I've had the vibration on all three sets of tires I've had (stock, yokohamas (I think), and stock), and both sets of stock steel wheels. When I bought my replacement tires, I got them at National Tire and Battery, who will balance your wheels for the life of the tires you buy from them. So whenever it got too wobbly, I just got a free rebalance.

In other words, they got to know me pretty well there ;)

watson80
07-26-2004, 07:07 PM
we had a couple cars in our service with the reoccuring vibration problem. I havent heard of a fix or what the cause was. But I never researched it too much either.

carbonman
07-27-2004, 08:43 AM
There is NO EASY fix for this problem for some.
Some have fixed with new wheels, some new tires, some by just a balance

I have pretty much given up with this, ie. stopped complaining about it, cause it's done no good.
They had done 2 wheel changes, FOUR tire replacements, 3 complete 4 wheel alignments. Nothing worked, however. I have aftermarket wheels on now and the shake is les noticable across a broader range but it is still there.
ANNNNND even after the dealer gave up and said "there is nothing else we can do" I took them to court to force them to do more. They even checked the half shafts for balance and truness.

SWortham
07-27-2004, 09:04 AM
There are so many things it could be... that's what makes it so annoying. It could also be your rotors. If they have worn unevenly they might be just slightly off balance.

I'm starting to think that toe-out in the front can also lead to this steering wheel shimmy problem. While toe-out can improve handling around the track, there is a reason why our cars come with toe-in from the factory and I think I'm starting to feel why that is. Toe-in will keep a constant force on the wheel bearings and it'll give the car a more stable feel going straight. After I get my hubcentric rings I'm going to start tweaking my alignment some more and I'll start a thread describing my results when I'm done. Hopefully I'll be able to figure this out.

watson80
07-27-2004, 09:24 AM
I have been lucky enough to not have this happen with my car(knock on wood). Even with the 18s I put on I never have any vibration even at higher speeds!

SWortham
07-27-2004, 10:44 AM
Same here... at least until I installed those springs and got a custom alignment. Before that, my car has been a perfectly smooth ride. So I'm trying to retrace my steps and figure out why this is a problem all of a sudden. I'm thinking the alignment is part of it. And it might be that some of the people having this problem have their cars' aligned with toe out without realizing it. Just a theory.

slvrsleeper
07-27-2004, 12:09 PM
I had the shakes in mine when the Continental tires I had were in need of replacing. I have and had 205/55-15's and when they got down to the wear indicators the shimmy in the wheel at highway speed would rattle your teeth. Fortuneately when I replaced the tires the problem went away. I obviously have been very lucky. Another source of the shakes could be the bushings in the steering rack, but this wouldn't explain why the trouble happens at certain speeds.

jameswing
07-27-2004, 12:26 PM
I think part of the problem witht he stock wheels is the tread design, interacting with the road surface. I only get a shimmy when I am driving on highways with grooved surfaces. (When I got my motercycle licence and rode for a bit I really noticed how the road can interact witth your tires.) Usually changing speed a few mph will make it go away.

SWortham
07-27-2004, 12:41 PM
Usually changing speed a few mph will make it go away.

That's typically a symptom of an unbalanced wheel. And you'll usually feel it the most through the 60 to 70 mph range. But obviously there are other potential causes. So... I don't know, sometimes it's a hard problem to diagnose and it sucks when you spend money trying different things that might fix it but don't.

carbonman
07-27-2004, 12:44 PM
tires make little difference, I've had 2 sets of Kumhos, 1 set Michelins, another set of Kumho 712's on aftermarket rims and it was still there.

Steve, mentioned something that could tie it together though, the Steering rack, as it is I get a sense of "manual Steering" when making a fast transition. I wonder if beefing up the steering comps would help in any way

clarion
07-27-2004, 09:20 PM
you sould also check to see if the rim isn't bent

hyunelan2
07-27-2004, 09:31 PM
you sould also check to see if the rim isn't bent

Yes, this is a good thing to check, but with the widespread reports of this problem, and varying OEM and Aftermaket wheels, I'm guessing there's more to this than a bent rim.

gunwoo82
07-28-2004, 02:53 AM
I'm having same problem right now. between 60 to 70 I feel vibration and it goes away once I go over 80. I just rotate the tires today, so we'll see how it runs tomrrow on my way to school. Plus I have 205 sized tires on my stock rims so that might be another factor.

Steve
07-28-2004, 09:55 AM
I have it as well, but I just figure it's because my tires are all flatspotted from handbrake slides and braking lockups, but it's in the exact same speed range. Craig you're still getting it with coilovers and 16" Rotas? Nice.... I wonder if getting that suspension aligned would help?

carbonman
07-28-2004, 10:12 AM
Craig you're still getting it with coilovers and 16" Rotas? Nice.... I wonder if getting that suspension aligned would help

Yep, stock springs, B&G springs, Coil-overs, stock wheels and aftermarket wheels. Alignments have been made and Balancing of the wheels is NOT the issue, it has to do with one of the many linkages, steering components, half shafts or the combination of all these items. My oppinion is that the chassis system used is not that great and improperly designed. The real problem though is that many of the owners just take the dealers word that its a normal occurance or a balancing issue or for that matter just live with it.
Without making formal complaints or making the issue known to Hyundai the problem will not go away.

Leviathant
07-28-2004, 10:28 AM
This calls for the posting of Hyundai Corporate's Phone Number! Um, anyone have it?

Dave from NY
07-28-2004, 10:38 AM
Q: How do I contact Hyundai?


A: You may call us toll free at 800-633-5151 (5:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, Monday - Friday) or write to us at:

Hyundai Motor America
Consumer Affairs Department
P.O. Box 20850
Fountain Valley, CA 92728-0850

Bnystrom
07-29-2004, 09:46 AM
I'm starting to think that toe-out in the front can also lead to this steering wheel shimmy problem. While toe-out can improve handling around the track, there is a reason why our cars come with toe-in from the factory and I think I'm starting to feel why that is. Toe-in will keep a constant force on the wheel bearings and it'll give the car a more stable feel going straight.

Our cars come with toe in on the rear and toe out on the front, just like most other front drive vehicles. This is because the stresses of driving the front wheels tends to cause them to toe in at speed. The rears may tend to toe out slightly at speed, but it's not likely to be enough to matter.

SWortham
07-29-2004, 10:16 AM
Our cars come with toe in on the rear and toe out on the front, just like most other front drive vehicles. This is because the stresses of driving the front wheels tends to cause them to toe in at speed. The rears may tend to toe out slightly at speed, but it's not likely to be enough to matter.

Hmm... do you know of a place online that explains this? I've read conflicting information about toe in & toe out and how cars come set from the factory.

I've read one article that claimed that toe in is typically used up front on FWD cars to put a constant force on the wheel bearings and improve stability on the highway. And then a DIY article on ElantraGTClub claims that toe in up front and toe out at rear is what the stock setting is.

63vetteman
08-03-2004, 04:59 PM
after about 11 months of having this vibration, it stopped. i got a 4- wheel alignment at big-o, a rotation, did my brakes (all in one day), and it became completely unnoticeable. i think it might be the way they rotate the tires. most places take the fronts straight back and vice versa, whereas big-o takes the front left to the right rear, the front right to the left rear, and so on, criss-cross like, try it out, who knows.

SWortham
08-03-2004, 05:04 PM
after about 11 months of having this vibration, it stopped. i got a 4- wheel alignment at big-o, a rotation, did my brakes (all in one day), and it became completely unnoticeable. i think it might be the way they rotate the tires. most places take the fronts straight back and vice versa, whereas big-o takes the front left to the right rear, the front right to the left rear, and so on, criss-cross like, try it out, who knows.

Good news. As for the criss-cross rotation, you can only do that with unidirectional tires. It's nothing uncommon though. It really could have been the alignment or the rotation that solved the problem.

jameswing
08-03-2004, 06:13 PM
yeah, don't do a cris-cros with directional tires.

watson80
08-04-2004, 12:55 AM
i dont think there is a definate fix for this it seems to be an XD thing that has us bafled so far

nightrider
08-04-2004, 01:47 AM
Hey Group my wife and I both have 03 Elantras and we both have aftermarket wheels that we got from Discount Tire. The wife went a half inch wider a has had no problems. My wheels were a inch wider and I have had that problem ever since the wheels have been on. I have had the wheels balanced at least twice and it has not solved the problem. I am wondering if I went back to the old orginal rims if it would fix the problem. Anyway I may be getting a Tibby in the near future, hows that for a fix.

04 elantra cvvt
08-04-2004, 02:29 AM
My girlfriend's bone stock XD still has the vibration. I think it's a hereditary trait. I don't remember if mine had it before the wheels. That was a long time ago.

SWortham
08-08-2004, 05:42 PM
Hey Group my wife and I both have 03 Elantras and we both have aftermarket wheels that we got from Discount Tire. The wife went a half inch wider a has had no problems. My wheels were a inch wider and I have had that problem ever since the wheels have been on. I have had the wheels balanced at least twice and it has not solved the problem. I am wondering if I went back to the old orginal rims if it would fix the problem. Anyway I may be getting a Tibby in the near future, hows that for a fix.

First, try getting hubcentric rings. Aftermarket wheels are rarely bored to the same diameter as the hub. So the rings will serve as a spacer to center your wheels on the hub. This has been known to solve the problem, and if you have already had them balanced, I'd say this would be the next most likely solution. You'll need hubcentric rings for a 67.1mm hub and you'll have to measure or find out what the wheel bore measurement is. You may have to order them online because it can be hard to find a shop that carries the size you need.

I'm like you though. I cannot live with this problem. I have to fix it. I'm still waiting for my hubcentric rings.

I just installed my new hubcentric rings, check out this thread --
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20912#post20912

SilverElantra03
09-04-2004, 11:30 AM
has anyone found the solution to this yet?

SWortham
09-04-2004, 01:47 PM
Nope can't say that I have. And I can't explain why this problem crept up after lowering the car. I have machined aluminum hubcentric rings now which are a perfect fit, and I've rebalanced the tires again and it is much better. But there's still a little shimmy. Maybe the tires are slightly out of round, the CV joints are bad, who knows. But it was perfectly smooth before the springs.

JuMpMaN6235
09-04-2004, 03:34 PM
I also have the exact same problem, but my vibration is really out of control after a while of holding the steering wheel going over 60, my arm begins to almost go numb lol, well maybe not numb but its annoying as hell and i have to switch to holding the steering wheel at the bottom.......i think this is a serious problem Hyundai has to fix.

also i have noticed it vibrates less when you are coasting, and it gets worse when you are pushing the gas pedal

Zack
09-28-2004, 09:07 AM
The hub-centric rings according to Z-racing are only a guide to help put the rims on. The lugs keep the tire in place.
With that said, I've been battling this issue for 3 years now without resolution. My dealer one time told me that he doesn't chase Ghosts, implying it's all in my head.
I've put on aftermarket rims, done the road force balancing, 4 wheel alignment many times. When I put the car on blocks and run the car, the car vibrates at the same speeds as observed on the road (55-65 mph). I've also noticed the axles rotate off-center.
When the steering wheel vibrates, I don't notice it at the brake pedal so my tires/wheels are not the culpret. My best guess is some vibration coming from the engine, transmission or axles that manifest at the steering.
My dealer says this vibration is normal for the Elantra, and mine has less vibration than others. I have a 2001 GLS w/ABS, traction control and 4-wheel disks.
I've set up a website with the history: http://mysite.verizon.net/lzaczkiewicz for the full story.

SuperGLS
09-28-2004, 09:28 AM
Do you have the correct size hubcentric rings/adapters? There is no good reason that it should be vibrating so much.

Nice site, I think you've officially had more problems than anyone else.

Welcome to the site and hopefully we can figure this problem out for you.

TNT4ME
09-28-2004, 09:58 AM
I can honestly say I USED to have this problem. It was the rotors. Hyundai makes em cheap (still got the POS's in the basement). I got the DBA rotors and have been golden ever since. It drove me nuts because I regularly drive about 90-95 here.

hyunelan2
09-28-2004, 10:05 AM
If you don't have hubcentric rings get em. They are to hold the center of the wheel in place, not just help you put it on. Lug nuts are for keeping the wheel on the car, not keeping the wheel centered on the hub.

SWortham
09-28-2004, 10:39 AM
If you don't have hubcentric rings get em. They are to hold the center of the wheel in place, not just help you put it on. Lug nuts are for keeping the wheel on the car, not keeping the wheel centered on the hub.

Well the lugs can center the wheels... they just won't do it very well or very reliably. That's why there are some people who don't believe in hubcentric rings -- because in some cases you can have a wheel mounted without them and never experience problems. But hubcentric rings have been known to solve this problem. In my case I'd say it improved the vibration 75% but there's still something a little off. Oh, and DiscountTireDirect on Ebay sells nice machined aluminum hubcentric rings and that's what I'd recommend.

By the way... the other day I had this theory that something might be loose in the front end. So I took off the wheels and checked the bolts for the struts and made sure they were tight (they seemed OK, although I didn't have the tools I needed to torque them down), then I put my wheels back on and retorqued them. Then I went for a drive and the vibration was completely gone. But now the problem is starting to come back. So I'm not sure what I did but as usual I have more theories. I'll keep you posted.

Zack
09-28-2004, 10:47 AM
I have the right size rings. The non-value added information about hubcentric rings was indicated by the aftermarket alloy rim manufacturer.

I agree that after brining the car in the air and running seems to work for a period. That makes me think that it is something with the axles. When you bring the car in the air it may reseat the axle-hub. That may be why the dealer may do something and they say they fixed it. But then you ride it and it's back.

SilverElantra03
09-28-2004, 11:15 AM
can anyone expline the mysterious 30-seconds or so that the vibrations stop?

SWortham
09-28-2004, 11:25 AM
Yes... well I can give you an explanation, not sure if it's the right one. If your two front tires are both unbalanced then you can reach different harmonic vibrations depending on how they're oriented with one another as they rotate. And their orientation will change with any subtle turn you make as you drive down the highway. So that could explain why it comes and goes.

Zack
09-28-2004, 11:47 AM
Just got off the phone with the New England Hyundai representative, Kevin Cleary. He stands behind the dealer's claim that there is nothing wrong with the car vibrations.
The dealer had actually told me that there is nothing more that they as a dealer can do mechanically. He said that this is a Hyundai design issue and Hyundai has to deal with it. This apparantly is condensed on the dealer's report that nothing is wrong with the car.
Kevin said that he will not discuss this vibration issue any more unless Hyundai rims and tires are installed on the car. I directed Kevin to this site but he refused to look at it because for any problem, a web site is out there for it. I pointed out that this site is for Hyundai enthusiasts and he is missing out on learning about what his customers are dealing with. He still refused to look at the site.

PS: Just got off the phone with Hyundai consumer affairs' Doug. Because the dealer says the car is performing within normal limits, there is nothing more that Hyundai can do.

SuperGLS
09-28-2004, 03:40 PM
Geez... do you have your stock tires still? Probably not, because you would have already put them back on and stuff. But, maybe someone around you can help you out and you can see if the problem still continues with the OEM wheels or tires?

Just a thought. This is bull****:

"He said that this is a Hyundai design issue and Hyundai has to deal with it."

They wouldn't be selling 120,000 Elantras a year in the U.S. if the car was vibrating all the way down the road.

TheWickedestOne
10-02-2004, 07:11 PM
Who wants to start another class action? I'm down. Stupid god damn vibration.

SilverElantra03
10-02-2004, 11:44 PM
ill start a damn class action.....they are trying to tell me the car is fine!!!!!

ilanpro
10-02-2004, 11:47 PM
Trade it in for a new one it will be cheaper

Zack
10-08-2004, 11:47 PM
Last month I Google searched on hyundai elantra vibration and found one of the links had a law firm soliciting documented items for class action. I'm considering it especially after talking with the regional representative about this normal behavior of the Elantra.

By the way, my Elantra has 4 wheel disks, ABS and traction control (a small subset of the Elantras on the road). Are the others having this problem similarly configured?

TheWickedestOne
10-09-2004, 10:43 AM
Link!!!! (I have the same Disk/ABS/TC set-up)

SWortham
10-09-2004, 12:22 PM
I don't. I have front disc brakes/rear drums and no ABS or traction control.

alexbee
11-11-2004, 12:14 PM
I have a 2003 GT and a vibration started at about the 3k mile mark. It's not a wheel balance shimmy, but a high frequency buzz like I get in the handlebars of my motorcycle. Stock alloys and Michelins. Dealer has rotated and balanced tires twice with no improvement. Took a mechanic for a ride and he could feel the vibration and gave me two suggestions:

1. Find a speed shop or similar and get the tires balanced on the car.
2. Buy a new set of tires.

Neither option is very appealing to me, so does anyone have any more info about how to clear this up? I'm thinking of looking into my state's Lemon Law but would like to keep that for an absolute last resort.

Any words of wisdom would be much appreciated,

Alex
Mid Hudson Valley, NY

Barbaroogie
11-12-2004, 02:41 PM
It may be your struts, or it maybe a bad rim. I baught my car new this year and had the dealer install new 17" reaction rims on it. I took the car off the lot the first time with the new rims and had a vibration. After taking it back to the dealer 4 times they finally found that one of the rims was bad. So they are replacing all four rims for free and I got to pick new rims of my choice. Ill put picks up when I get the rims. So I would have the mechanic take a look at the rim itself. specialy if its an after market rim.

Gman01
11-12-2004, 03:07 PM
warped rims will do it to

Fizzy23
11-14-2004, 01:05 AM
Hey Guys

1. Vibration the first time for me was solvedby having the rotors turned.

2. Then it came back again, this time one of the wheel bearings was siezing up. replaced the bearing and it went away again.

No advice to give just wanted to share the info.

ruary
12-09-2004, 02:56 AM
I figured I might as well contribute my two cents on the vibration issue. My wife's '02 GT had no problems for the first 30,000 miles. I always rotated and balanced the tires every 5,000 miles. Then she got some new tires, Goodyear Assurances, and the dreaded vibe at 70mph developed. A number of balances later, it is better, but still noticable to me. I don't have to drive it though and she doesn't notice. My '03 GT was doing well until I took it in for a rotate and balance. On the way home I noticed the vibration. Four more visits to Discount Tire (life time balance) and it is gone. What I take away from this is it is a wheel balancing issue. Both cases it onset after a tire install/balance and was resolved with a balance. Someone else here mentioned the different methods of balancing which I think make a difference. I looked at the wheel weights before I dropped mine off each time and they did move/add/remove weights each time. I think they just aren't particularly careful when they balance wheels and most cars tolerate the carelessness better than ours. It sure is a pain in the *** though and a huge waste of time trying to get it straightened out and now I'm afraid to take my car in to get the tires rotated and balanced. I just rotate them myself and I will take them in for a balancing when I notice a vibration.

alexbee
12-16-2004, 10:15 AM
I have a 2003 GT and a vibration started at about the 3k mile mark. It's not a wheel balance shimmy, but a high frequency buzz like I get in the handlebars of my motorcycle. Stock alloys and Michelins. Dealer has rotated and balanced tires twice with no improvement. Took a mechanic for a ride and he could feel the vibration and gave me two suggestions:

1. Find a speed shop or similar and get the tires balanced on the car.
2. Buy a new set of tires.

Neither option is very appealing to me, so does anyone have any more info about how to clear this up? I'm thinking of looking into my state's Lemon Law but would like to keep that for an absolute last resort.

Any words of wisdom would be much appreciated,

Alex
Mid Hudson Valley, NY

UPDATE: Paid more attention to the vibes and it seems to be occurring at a specific rpm, about 2750. Seems to be the same in 3rd, 4th & 5th gear, so I guess it's an engine problem :( Don't imagine the dealer will be too keen on trying to fix it, sucks for me.....

ABM

SilverElantra03
12-17-2004, 06:08 PM
i just got my car balanced again w/ new tires... 205/40/17 and the vibrations have stopped (for now). now if i am on the freeway doing more than 60 mph and i have to hit the brakes lightly my steering wheel and whole front end of the car vibrate....does anyone else have the same problem?.....i was thinking the rotors are bad but then again i dont anything about cars.

hyunelan2
12-17-2004, 06:59 PM
If it only happens under braking, it's probably the rotors.

papasnodmx
12-27-2004, 05:33 PM
i'm new to this site but not new to Hyundais. I know everyone's been talking about vibrations, centric rings, struts, and anything that can cause a steering wheel to vibrate shake or shimmy. I didn't see or atleast missed it, but has any one ever heard or roadforce? Roadforce is when a tire is out of round or bent rim. Roadforce is usually measured in weight on how much is being pushed up or down on the axle/spindle/bearing at any given time for every revolution. basically when a tire is out of round and spinning over 900 times a minute ( about 65mph), it is hoppingskipping on the road therefore causing vibarations. The perfect tire/rim assembly is 0lbs. the max for passenger cars is about 27lbs. The more weight being pushed up, more vibrations will be present. all tires are not perfectly round, all rims are not perfectly round. Hunter engineering has made a tire balancing machine to measure roadforce and compensate or tell you how to spin a tire on a rim to get the lowest amount of roadforce. The easiest way to look at roadforce is kind of like an egg rolling down a table. it has high spots and flatspots....not round. i know alot of tire shops don't have this this type of machine due to costs. I am a auto tech. that is very experienced in roadforce and have messed around with tire/wheel assemblies than i can remember. Even if your tires are perfectly balanced, you have centric rings, replaced struts etc, etc, with to much roadforce, your problem will be there no matter what. Hey guys.....you know what causes alot man made excessive roadforce? doing burnouts...pulling your e-brake...sliding your car....locking your brakes... it causes flat spots in your tires. Sometimes you can decrease roadforce by matchmounting and rebalancing or get new tires. O yeah....usually the higher quality tire it is...the less roadforce will be....usually...

Zack
01-04-2005, 11:18 PM
I've done both standard high speed (at the dealer) and road force (at a specialty shop) and I've still got it. I've ordered new rotors and I'll see what that does to it.

By the way, if you still have steel wheels on your car, get them replaced. Just take a look at them when you rotate them on the car and you'll see they are out of true (wobble in and out). When you replace them, you'll still have the vibrations but you will have fewer problems with blown bearings and tie rod ends.

tricked03gls
01-04-2005, 11:24 PM
seperation of the tires will cause this problem , oem tires suck big time, along with the rims make sure they arnt bent or anything (mine had 8 miles when i bought it and a rim was bent) the struts are junk (oem) so id check that and see where it goes from there

jp_recon
02-15-2005, 12:54 PM
Well, I bought a new set of Hankook tires from Discount about 3 weeks ago. My car has the vibration from 60-70 also. I have had them rebalanced twice and it's still there. I am going tonight and having the RoadForce test done along with another rebalance. I'll keep you all posted.

BTW.....thanks for all the responses here....VERY informative.

:bowdown:

jp_recon
02-20-2005, 07:54 PM
OK.....Update.....

I went and got the brakes done, resurfaced rotors also. Then I went back to Discount, they rebalanced all 4 wheels and Road Forced the fronts.

Unfortunatley, I am still getting the vibration at about 60-70mph. And it does get worse when letting OFF the accelerator. I am planning on taking it into the dealershaip to have it looked at.

:(

KeWLKaT
02-20-2005, 08:33 PM
I started noticing the vibrations on my car since you wrote your original post.

Please keep us updated on this, as it seems it's a generalized Elantra issue.

jp_recon
02-21-2005, 05:31 PM
OK, really strange....I was getting ready to take it to the dealershp to get checked out. Thought I'd stop by Dicount and get another 4 wheel balance before though....well, after the 5th rebalance this month, the vibration is gone now.

I did manage to see that one of my back wheels was a tiny bit out of round i guess. I found a shop that will fix it for about $75. I'm guessing that is what was causing the vibration and making the other tires out of balance over time. I'm going to ride on it for a few days and see how it goes. If/when the vibration comes back, I'll take my wheel to get repaired, then get another 4 wheel balance and try it again.


......to be continued.

jp_recon
02-25-2005, 06:06 PM
GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

I just want to take my wheels and tires and throw them in the window of discount tire, like on the commercial.

Got another Road Force check done....the back tires were BAD!

Well, the only 215/40/17 tires they had in stock were Dunlop 901s. SO I ended up paying $92 extra for these, then get home to find a whole lot of S#!T reviews about them..... :mad:

I think I'm going to take these back on Monday and tell them that I want the Neo-Gens......I'm SOOOOOOOOOO pissed.


to be continued......again...

golfino
05-11-2005, 09:59 PM
I have an 05 GLS, bought in November 04, I have 15K miles, I just put on aftermarket wheels alessio 17.5X17 with 215-45-17 Nakang NS I , I have the vibration between 60-75MPH, I had them balanced at the dealer a week ago still there, I am going back this saturday to have them re-balanced, I dont abuse my car, no neutral drops, etc, just regular long commute driving everyday (100miles per day) I will let you know what happens, I know the wheels are true, I know the rotors are true, and the car has 15K miles on it, I doubt I need struts(all highway driving) This is really discouraging, other than this only problem I am happy with my car.

CodyTheBowler
05-11-2005, 10:09 PM
when you guys say vibration, do you mean a slight gitter in the wheel like a back massager? if so, i have that too, it happened with stock wheels, and after i got rims put on. i took it up to about 110 mph and the gittering doesn't get worse (thankfully).

rhumbatumba
07-19-2005, 10:51 AM
Hi, I'm new here. I found this site from a search engine. I was searching "Hyundai Elantra wheel vibration" because my car is at the shop for the 5th time now (Hibdon Tire x 2, Hyundai dealer x 3) trying to solve the same problem you guys are talking about.

A lot of you have aftermarket rims and or components. I however do not, all stock. I just want a car that works and does not need to be taken to the shop. Thats why I bought this car, for reliability as I drive a lot, 75% highway.

Here's the history of my vibration problems. My vibration started a few months after I got the car. It was pretty slight but over months it got progressively worse until it was actually really bad. I took it to the dealer and after 2 visits (the first visit was a balance) they put the car up and looked at the tires. They had a visible worn flat spot. I was directed to a tire shop (Hibdon) and told to get new tires. I replaced the front tires only (tight budget here), and that totally fixed the problem. About a month later the vibration returned. I took the car in to Hibdon first. They said it was out of balance. I also told them to do an alignment just to be sure. The next day I picked up my car but the vibration was still there... I turned directly around to Hibdon and told them that the vibration was still there, I said "go ahead and keep it as long as you need, either fix it or find what the problem is". They gave it back to me saying they cant find anything wrong with the balancing or the tires, or the alignment. They even put new tires on the car for free thinking that the vibration was bad tires on their part (thank you Hibdon warrantee). They said that the tires were worn a lot more than they should be after only a month of highway driving another reason they replaced them. They guessed the vibration was the reason for the early wear.

Currently the car is at the dealer getting looked at. I told the dealer also to just keep the car as long as they need to fix the problem.

I dont know what I'm going to do here. If I have a car with a problem that can not be fixed? I will take it up with the dealer but I dont know how far I will be able to take it, court maybe, I dont know... I'd probably put try to sell the car before I'd pull some crap like that. I'd hate to pass the problem along though... I know I'll never buy a Hyundai again...

My car is an 03 Hyundai GT with standard transmission (not hatchback). My wife drives a base model 04 elantra automatic (has 17k on it now) and it drives flawlessly. The difference in these cars (not including rear brakes) are suspension.Do we have people getting this problem from both automatic and manual transmission? How about sport tuned (GT) and standard suspension?

gt5
05-24-2008, 10:46 AM
2008 n the maladie still alive n "wheel"
did anybody fixed or minimized the vibration after installing expensive tires?

(no too long ago we have a fear amount of tires to choose, this present days of the ****tyopen market we have 100 tires on the same size to choose..i don't think DOT have time to fully test this tires..having quite a few cars under my tomb to care I have noticed the same problem from tire to tire on other models beside the elantra)

could a expensive tire at front be the solution?