Silly Question

[fifthgear]

http://www.cosmoracing.com/productinfo.asp?cid=217&pid=1065



*Only fits on 01-03 2.0L G4GC engine without MAF(air mass meter) 4drs/5drs manual and automatic transmission models.

Do we have MAF's on the 02 VE?

[zx2uner]

nope...04+ with ccv2 have maf sensor, our's use a map sensor...I think ;)

[BobMs_wht2k2]

THIS (http://www.cosmoracing.com/productinfo.asp?cid=87&pid=127) is the EXACT CAI I got from them off eGay 4 years ago. Worth EVERY penny for many reasons. 2.75" pipe, very nice quality. Even the "cheapie" filter that came with it has held up nicely.

Sorry. . .back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[SilverElantra]

cosmoracing is good....my buddy bought an intake for his accent from them....

[BobMs_wht2k2]

cosmoracing is good....my buddy bought an intake for his accent from them....

I agree. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.

[fifthgear]

Two questions:

1. I read somewhere online that using short ram intakes and CAI can compromise the longevity of a car's engine because over time, it will let in more fine dust particles into the engine. Can anyone verify or discredit this?

2. If I were to buy a short ram or CAI, are the cone filters widely available? Can you get paper cone filters like the stock air filter?

[ricerrx7]

^ Why would it let in any more dirt than the stock setup? And filters are available at autozone for around $25, but you should get a K&N.

[fifthgear]

I'll search for the article.. I have it somewhere. HERE IS THE ARTICLE: http://www.autoblog.com/2005/09/07/how-well-do-k-n-air-filters-work/ . And I don't live in the U.S. of A. We don't have AutoZone.


My 2 questions still remain unanswered :P

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Well, I've personally and my family have been using K&N's on everything for the last 10-12 years. Cars with 260k+ miles, none having any issues. I still believe K&N is the best filter for the money and if kept over time will save you dough.

On our Suzuki, it netted us 1mpg consistantly better gas mileage and we never had to buy another filter. So we spent $40 initially, cleaned it twice a year and got 1mpg better. We would have needed 7 paper filters in the same time span at $19 a piece. You do the math.

[robs02elantra]

Canadian Tire (there you go) has a bunch of cone filters, and the K&N. Felix doesn't like Crappy tire though, so wait for him to chime in, he probably has a guy for filters. :D

[fifthgear]

Well then, I wanted to get some sort of air filter/intake but I was always cautious because of what I read in the article I posted above. I guess I am nervous about hindering the car in the long run in any way. I would like to get a SRI from COSMO Racing. Any suggestions from anyone? As well, anyone able to answer my original questions/remark about the URL I posted?

[mtlelantra]

AEM dryflow cone filters... there's been threads on it here. I have a K&N, and every time I take off my LRI tubing, it's clean clean clean, but I might swap it for a dryflow eventually.
As for Cosmo, their stuff looks good, but a bit overpriced imo. I thought about getting the CAI from them, cuz they're local to me and I'd save $$$$ if I could pick it up, but they wanted to charge a pickup fee akin to 1/2 the shipping cost or whatever. No thanks.

[Cypher]

if cai's and sri's were bad for the engine you wouldn't see v8 powered drag cars with a huge intake piping under the hood, nor do i think all of us would put them on our little cars.

[fifthgear]

OK well, where should I get a SRI if COSMO is overpriced.. keep in mind I am in Ontario.

Cypher: people do a lot of things that are harmful in life, not only to their cars and don't really care about the long term repercussions. I just want to ensure the longevity of my Elantra because I really like it, I want it to last, and I try and take the best care of all of my stuff.


Also, could someone explain 'throttle response'? Thanks.

[KSpec5guy]

Throttle response is basically how much time it takes for your engine to rev up from the start point of when you hit the gas pedal. I guess you could call it kind of a lag time. Am I wrong? Someone chime in.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Cypher: people do a lot of things that are harmful in life, not only to their cars and don't really care about the long term repercussions. I just want to ensure the longevity of my Elantra because I really like it, I want it to last, and I try and take the best care of all of my stuff.


REREAD post #9. If it was bad, after 500k miles on multiple vehicles I'm sure something would have popped up by now. Add in the fact that K&N has a gentleman with a verified 1 million miles on one filter with no engine failures. Gotta love GM trucks!

[fifthgear]

Alright, sounds good guys thanks! COSMO has one for $65 USD.. not including shipping which is roughly $80 CND. That a decent price or?

Also, in another thread, a guy mentioned he changes gears usually around 3/3.5k RPM and if he does that, should he go with a SRI instead of a CAI. I am similiar to him. I rarely push my car past 4.5k when shifting. Should I bother with an SRI or just leave it stock? Opinions..

[Kens GLS]

Get a CAI, I miss mine and will be getting another one soon. A SRI is all noise no power, even if you don't push your car over 4,500 rpm I would still get one.

[fifthgear]

Well I'm worried about hydrolocking it and all the negatives that come with it. I live in Ontario, Canada so of course we get crazy *** weather. Also, I don't want to bait myself out when I go fast by creating a lot of noise. Those 2 factors are really making me question the purhcase.

I also assume, that since each car engine and parts are different i.e.: Honda, Hyundai, etc., the sound made with an aftermarket intake will be slightly different?

[evan938]

if cai's and sri's were bad for the engine you wouldn't see v8 powered drag cars with a huge intake piping under the hood, nor do i think all of us would put them on our little cars.

lets get out of dream world. youre going to compare a drag cars intake to a 4cyl street cars intake?

while my statement isnt saying 'a new intake will kill your engine due to dust', car manufacturers use parts to try to get the car to run the longest. the OEM intake has many loops/turns before anything gets to the main filter, meaning less particles will make it there. an OEM intake is going to ensure your car will run as long as possible

personally, i have pulled my intake a few times and found dirt/grime on the inside of the piping. i dont even bother cleaning my filter, i just spend the 25$ and replace it every year. they never look bad, but the pipe always has something on the inside

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Yes there are differnet sounds from different manufacturers. Yes you CAN hydrolock, but unless you're driving through 12" of water at WOT the chances are extremely slim.

I've had mine from Cosmo over four years and 2 floods and 4 Indiana winters. No problems, no issues and nothing but a good time.

[fifthgear]

WOT? And do you drive it through the winter with a paper conical filter or one of the dryfit? dry whatever AEM filters, etc.?

[BobMs_wht2k2]

WOT=Wide Open Throttle. I use the same generic K&N tht came from Cosmo year round. I clean it about 3 times a year just to keep an eye on it and to keep it clean. I don't expect it to be an issue for a couple more years at least.

[fifthgear]

Hyundai recommends a change of stock every 20,000km no?

lets get out of dream world. youre going to compare a drag cars intake to a 4cyl street cars intake?

while my statement isnt saying 'a new intake will kill your engine due to dust', car manufacturers use parts to try to get the car to run the longest. the OEM intake has many loops/turns before anything gets to the main filter, meaning less particles will make it there. an OEM intake is going to ensure your car will run as long as possible

personally, i have pulled my intake a few times and found dirt/grime on the inside of the piping. i dont even bother cleaning my filter, i just spend the 25$ and replace it every year. they never look bad, but the pipe always has something on the inside

Are we talking your modified pipe or the OEM air filter system/box/etc.?


I'm also surprised KeWLKaT hasn't chimed in...


Anyone have any PICS of the STOCK air compartment and what it looks like uncovered?

[KeWLKaT]

Chiming in right now, sorry, internet just started working after 2 days of lagging ;)

A few points:

- Get the CAI. The Short one DOES have a higher airflow than stock, but since it sucks in hotter air, it defies the purpose of modifying your intake. The CAI, at a diameter of 2.75", would be perfect.

- Do get a bypass valve. Sure, it costs 45$, but it's less expensive than a brand new engine ;)

- As far as the article goes. It works by FILTER QUALITY. Put a cheap filter on an OEM intake and it will do the same thing, more particles go through. Though you have to come to the evidence, OILED FILTERS ARE THE BEST. Go for K&N Cones and you will have the best filtering EVER. Another point though that evan is giving is the fact that the OEM system has so many ducts and bends. But that doesn't make a difference! Those bends and shapes do stop HEAVY, BIG dust particles, but, even if they weren't there, those were never going to go through the cone filter anyhow! CONCLUSION: The article is BS!

[fifthgear]

Well what if I want to avoid worrying about bypass valve and CAI taking in water and all that crap, would a SRI still be a decent mod?

One might also assume, because it's not so close to the ground, it is less likely to pick up as much dirt, etc. than a CAI, but won't perform as well either... no?

..and, what exactly is a bypass valve?

Lemme Wikipedia that quickly.

[KeWLKaT]

- The BPV is to stop water from rushing through the intake tube in case the filter gets immerged in water.

- SRI is nice, I had one for about a year before the turbo. Left it in during winter too.

- It does pick up quite a bit of dirt on the filter, actually. But I guess not as much as a CAI, though my CAI doesn't pick up that much right now...

[fifthgear]

Why not much now? And do you not keep in the CAI during winter? ( I also don't have a turbo nor do I ever plan on putting one in :) )

[KeWLKaT]

people usually take CAIs out;

Personally I will be RARELY using my car this winter (read: heat it up every 2 days, but drive it maybe... 10 times in total during 3 months), but I convert My CAI to a WAI (it's just a 180 deg twist to route the filter right behind the front headlight).

[robs02elantra]

I used my CAI all winter and didn't have any troubles at all. I had the Bypass valve, and everything was just fine. What is the Cold air intake for if not to suck up cold air, what better time of the year to do that besides winter.

[Cypher]

lets get out of dream world. youre going to compare a drag cars intake to a 4cyl street cars intake?

while my statement isnt saying 'a new intake will kill your engine due to dust', car manufacturers use parts to try to get the car to run the longest. the OEM intake has many loops/turns before anything gets to the main filter, meaning less particles will make it there. an OEM intake is going to ensure your car will run as long as possible

personally, i have pulled my intake a few times and found dirt/grime on the inside of the piping. i dont even bother cleaning my filter, i just spend the 25$ and replace it every year. they never look bad, but the pipe always has something on the inside

car manufacturers also use parts that are cheaper and to please people. what grandmom or soccer mom or whoever is going to want a car that "Growls" when you're accelerating? thats one purpose of those ducts and bends and such. those bends and all that help to quiet down the intake tract. there is NOTHING wrong with putting a cai or sri on the car. hell put on an SRI if you're worried about hydrolock, i don't see how that could decrease your engines longevity. ugh i'm running out of things to say. peace

[KeWLKaT]

^^^ BWAHAHAHAHAHA ROB YOU ARE THE MAN


omfg that is SIG material right there *stolen*

[fifthgear]

car manufacturers also use parts that are cheaper and to please people. what grandmom or soccer mom or whoever is going to want a car that "Growls" when you're accelerating? thats one purpose of those ducts and bends and such. those bends and all that help to quiet down the intake tract. there is NOTHING wrong with putting a cai or sri on the car. hell put on an SRI if you're worried about hydrolock, i don't see how that could decrease your engines longevity. ugh i'm running out of things to say. peace


I completely agree with the cheaper parts and to please the general population. And it's ok, topic should be pretty done - I'm ordering an intake this morning :D

EDIT: ORDERED! WAI = wide air intake?

[KeWLKaT]

warm air intake= short ram intake

[fifthgear]

KeWLKaT sleeps in a pink nighty! Pass it on! :pics2:

[KeWLKaT]

KeWLKaT sleeps in a pink nighty! Pass it on!

KeWLKaT sleeps in a pink nighty! Pass it on!

[fifthgear]

Hahahaha oh man I just started laughing when I saw your reply. LOL. :D

[robs02elantra]

Felix, you are the living end. Well done.

And the quote, I think I remember someone else saying it a year ago, but I'll take credit for it if you want...

[fifthgear]

Hehehe. I enjoyed the quote too.. it got a brain smiley from me :)

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