30k service!!!!!!

[Tx_boy]

I just got my battery and my cd player replaced in my 05' GT and i just rolled over 30k and the service manager told me my 30k would cost me $600. I looked around on here and that is $200 more than the highest one on here. I have a boy that works at Midas so should I get my stuff done there for just paying him and parts or should I look for another dealerships price? **** at that price I can get some 18" off my boy that would look mean on my car. Just wondering cause I saw that is was really easy stuff that he could do at the shop and save me at least $450.

[Cypher]

well... i suppose if you get it done and have it documented they can't void your warranty since it still was done. i think thats how it works.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

If it was me. . . . .I'd have the trans serviced there and do the rest else where.

[GrGaKC]

The price is redicoulous (sp?)! I had mine 20k miles service for $200, so how can the next one be 3x more? (again, I'm not from USA)

[hyunelan2]

The 30K mile service includes things the 20K does not, such as the transmission flush/fluid-change.

Here is a U.S. Service Schedule:
http://www.flemingtonhyundai.com/dsp_service.cfm

[BobMs_wht2k2]

As well as a coolant flush and a brake service.

[silet]

He has a manual transmission. It's 60 K item, but some insist on changing the fluid at 30 K miles.

[cclngthr]

He has a manual transmission. It's 60 K item, but some insist on changing the fluid at 30 K miles.

Agree. Make sure GL-4 is used though. Some mechanics believe GL-5 is better than GL-4, not knowing there is a major difference between the two.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

I'm sorry, but I would never wait past 30k again on my manual fluid.

[silet]

I'm at 52 K and the I have 3 quarts sitting in the back of truck. No time...

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Bring it over. . . I'll do it. Only takes 5 minutes.

[ricerrx7]

The change might take 5 minutes, but the drive is 17 hours each way...

[SuperGLS]

Yeah, $600 is a redicoulous amount. Try another dealer and see what they say.

[Cypher]

Agree. Make sure GL-4 is used though. Some mechanics believe GL-5 is better than GL-4, not knowing there is a major difference between the two.

something like that happened to a teacher here at the school. He had to change the gear oil on his manual geo metro and the parts place gave him a gear oil and told him it was what it called for and it ended up being a different GL rating and he said when he took apart the transmission there was this funky gunk which i'm assuming was the brass stuff inside the tranny.

[cclngthr]

something like that happened to a teacher here at the school. He had to change the gear oil on his manual geo metro and the parts place gave him a gear oil and told him it was what it called for and it ended up being a different GL rating and he said when he took apart the transmission there was this funky gunk which i'm assuming was the brass stuff inside the tranny.

Exactly..

I've done this to plenty of Hyundai automatics and anything other than SP-III fluid does the same thing.

[HYTECH]

well... i suppose if you get it done and have it documented they can't void your warranty since it still was done. i think thats how it works.
it doesn't matter where it is done as long as you use proper parts and save you reciepts even if you do it yourself save the dated parts reciepts. they must have the part numbers on them and not be hand written

[Cypher]

isn't that what i said?

[Bnystrom]

He has a manual transmission. It's 60 K item, but some insist on changing the fluid at 30 K miles.
Changing the transmission oil is NOT a 60K item and an oil change is NOT part of the 30K service for MANUAL transmissions. If you read the Maintenance Log that comes with the car, it does not include ANY transmision oil changes, as the oil is good for the life of the transmission. That said, I changed my at 10K to Redline MT-90 synthetic, but will probably not change it again.

[HYTECH]

isn't that what i said?


I agree i was just adding to it a bit

[cclngthr]

No, the transmision oil is NOT a 60K item and an oil change is NOT part of the 30K service for a MANUAL transmission. If you read the Maintenance Log that comes with the car, it does not include ANY transmision oil changes, as the oil is good for the life of the transmission. That said, I changed my at 10K to Redline MT-90 synthetic and will probably not change it again.

I disagree. Trans oil, or fluid needs to be changed regularly regardless of what kind it is. That maintenance log is for normal driving only, and nobody drives normally. Either they go in stop/go city driving or drive so agressively that they constantly meet the severe service recommendations.

At my shop, we change auto trans oil every 20-30,000 miles and also do the same for standard transmissions. Oil has a habit of breaking down under stress and heat.

[AtlXD2]

If it was me. . . . .I'd have the trans serviced there and do the rest else where.

exacly. i do the brakes, oil, plugs, whatever, even the coolant change myself. I let them do the tranny flush. I was quoted 125 for the tranny. My dealer also told me the whole deal would have been high $500's.

As well as a coolant flush and a brake service.
the techs themselves told me they dont flush the system at 30k. they just drain and refill. which is why I can do it myself.

[HYTECH]

I disagree. Trans oil, or fluid needs to be changed regularly regardless of what kind it is. That maintenance log is for normal driving only, and nobody drives normally. Either they go in stop/go city driving or drive so agressively that they constantly meet the severe service recommendations.

At my shop, we change auto trans oil every 20-30,000 miles and also do the same for standard transmissions. Oil has a habit of breaking down under stress and heat.

this is true you can spend a few dollars to be safe or spend thousands later your choice. we change all trans fluid every 30k

under normal conditions (like cclngthr said never happens) you inspect it and replace if nessasary how many people inspect there manual trans fluid, not many. if you go that far change it anyway

[Bnystrom]

I disagree. Trans oil, or fluid needs to be changed regularly regardless of what kind it is. That maintenance log is for normal driving only, and nobody drives normally.
Maybe you don't drive normally, but you're hardly everyone.

Either they go in stop/go city driving or drive so agressively that they constantly meet the severe service recommendations.
Excuse me, what world are you living in? I don't do either of those and I'll bet that most other people don't either.

At my shop, we change auto trans oil every 20-30,000 miles
Good, because they need it. That's why it's in the Maintenance schedule.

and also do the same for standard transmissions.
Remind me not to go into your shop for such unnecessary work.

Oil has a habit of breaking down under stress and heat.
Sure, and if you beat the snot out of your car or live in a desert, yeah, you should change it periodically. Even at that 30K miles is too frequent for a manual tranny, IMO. Other than the early synthetic changeover, I don't think I've ever changed tranny oil before 50K or 60K miles, even on cars that I've driven hard. I've never owned a vehicle where changes more often than that were specified. Again, as with engine oil, Hyundai is not going to recommend anything in the Maintenance Schedule that's going to be damaging to the car. If they think the tranny oil will last 195K (actually that's where the Maintenance Schedule ends), I think it's a pretty safe bet that it will last 50, 60 or even 100K miles without a problem.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Excuse me, what world are you living in? I don't do either of those and I'll bet that most other people don't either.


You're wronf. about 80% of people drive in stop and go traffic, even if it's only part of their drive. I don't know where YOU are living in, but here it's at least 80%, maybe more.


Remind me not to go into your shop for such unnecessary work.


After changing mine out again, I would ALSO recommend that the manual be changed at 30k. The notchiness that was there is now gone again.



Sure, and if you beat the snot out of your car or live in a desert, yeah, you should change it periodically. Even at that 30K miles is too frequent for a manual tranny, IMO. Other than the early synthetic changeover, I don't think I've ever changed tranny oil before 50K or 60K miles, even on cars that I've driven hard. I've never owned a vehicle where changes more often than that were specified. Again, as with engine oil, Hyundai is not going to recommend anything in the Maintenance Schedule that's going to be damaging to the car. If they think the tranny oil will last 195K (actually that's where the Maintenance Schedule ends), I think it's a pretty safe bet that it will last 50, 60 or even 100K miles without a problem.

Yep, and thanks to people that think like you do, I've had to replace manual trannies because the input shaft bearing disintegrated from lack of maintenance. THey thought that 125k miles was ok to not change their fluid.

[zx2uner]

Bob, you need to remember that Bnystrom is the god when it comes to maitenance and that he'll argue till there's no end. I've just gotten to the point where I say...whatever you say ****er...you're right...lol

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Point taken. . . . no need to start WWIII over maintenance. . for the 400th time. Because NOONE else has EVER maintained ANY vehicles EVER.

[zx2uner]

Point taken. . . . no need to start WWIII over maintenance. . for the 400th time. Because NOONE else has EVER maintained ANY vehicles EVER.

lol.....agreed

[cclngthr]

Maybe you don't drive normally, but you're hardly everyone.


Excuse me, what world are you living in? I don't do either of those and I'll bet that most other people don't either.


Good, because they need it. That's why it's in the Maintenance schedule.


Remind me not to go into your shop for such unnecessary work.


Sure, and if you beat the snot out of your car or live in a desert, yeah, you should change it periodically. Even at that 30K miles is too frequent for a manual tranny, IMO. Other than the early synthetic changeover, I don't think I've ever changed tranny oil before 50K or 60K miles, even on cars that I've driven hard. I've never owned a vehicle where changes more often than that were specified. Again, as with engine oil, Hyundai is not going to recommend anything in the Maintenance Schedule that's going to be damaging to the car. If they think the tranny oil will last 195K (actually that's where the Maintenance Schedule ends), I think it's a pretty safe bet that it will last 50, 60 or even 100K miles without a problem.

What world are YOU in??? Do you drive in stop/go traffic at ANY time?? NORMAL driving is driving at 55-60 mph at a CONSTANT speed 98% of the time (at a minimum of 1 hour), NO towing, NO load, No jackrabbit starts/stops (smooth starts/stops), temperatures about 50-75 degrees, and smooth up/downshifts.

Oil does have a life expectancy under use. As oil gets hot, sludge buildup will occur even with the best of oils. That oil also picks up dirt/grime that normally comes from the parts. As oil gets dirtier, it cannot lube the parts as well. It has to be changed regularly. With the tight clearances in cars these days, dirty oil CAN damage the internals of any trans or engine part. I replace at least 1 Hyundai automatic transmission a month due to poor maintenance and standard trannys in cars that have had NO maintenance whatsoever. Shops use the severe service guidelines because thats what people drive in.

[AtlXD2]

...wait....if some of you have shops, shouldn’t you be encouraging people to neglect their cars? that way you can laugh all the way to the bank when you get paid after doing some major work because a knuckle head though they didnt have to do anything.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

...wait....if some of you have shops, shouldn’t you be encouraging people to neglect their cars? that way you can laugh all the way to the bank when you get paid after doing some major work because a knuckle head though they didnt have to do anything.

No, because we still want to be able to go home and sleep at night. Guilt is a bish.

[Bnystrom]

What world are YOU in??? Do you drive in stop/go traffic at ANY time?? NORMAL driving is driving at 55-60 mph at a CONSTANT speed 98% of the time (at a minimum of 1 hour), NO towing, NO load, No jackrabbit starts/stops (smooth starts/stops), temperatures about 50-75 degrees, and smooth up/downshifts.
Where the heck did you get that? What a bunch of BS!

Oil does have a life expectancy under use. As oil gets hot, sludge buildup will occur even with the best of oils. That oil also picks up dirt/grime that normally comes from the parts. As oil gets dirtier, it cannot lube the parts as well. It has to be changed regularly. With the tight clearances in cars these days, dirty oil CAN damage the internals of any trans or engine part.
True, but you're mixing apples and oranges. There's a HUGE difference between the heat generated and the amount of dirt accumulated in an engine vs. a transmission. An engine is a hot system that's open to contaminants from the air and fuel drawn into the engine, combustion by-products and from the ambient air draw in during heating/cooling cycles. A transmission runs MUCH cooler and it's a sealed system. The only contamininants are metals from wear, which is why they have magnetic drain plugs to draw steel particles out of suspension. I've NEVER seen sludge in the oil drained from the manual transmissions on any of my cars.

I replace at least 1 Hyundai automatic transmission a month due to poor maintenance
What does that have to do with this discussion? We're not talking about autos and I never said one shouldn't maintain an auto according to the recommended maintenance schedule.

and standard trannys in cars that have had NO maintenance whatsoever.
How many and how often? Every part on a car is prone to some degree of failure, so of course, SOME manual transmissions are going to have to be replaced, regardless of whether the oil is changed in them or not. Unless you have data that correlates maintenance with frequency of replacement, you're just guessing. I don't know if it's true of current Hyundai transmissions, but older Mitsu' trannys were known for problems with bearing failures, again, regardless of maintenance.

Shops use the severe service guidelines because thats what people drive in.
Like I said before, maybe you do and certainly others - city dwellers in particular - do, but I don't and I'm sure there are a lot of other people who don't. I guess we're both at fault for making blanket statements that don't apply to everyone. I should have been clearer about that.

Even if one were to accept your argument, Hyundai's severe driving maintenance schedule recommends tranny oil changes every 60,000 miles, not every 30K. What's your justification for doing it twice as often as necessary?

If your customers are willing to pay for extra, possibly unnecessary work, fine. It's more money in your pocket. Let's not pretend that profit is not a motivating factor here.

[zx2uner]

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If you do any of the driving above, it's considered severe driving. It's pretty obvious that pretty much everyone drives in conditions like those listed above, so a 3000 mile oil change is recommended. Also it says that 60,000 miles fluid change for the MT, but it won't harm anything to change it sooner than that. You cannot say that it is a waste of money to do that either...everyone situations are different.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Even if one were to accept your argument, Hyundai's severe driving maintenance schedule recommends tranny oil changes every 60,000 miles, not every 30K. What's your justification for doing it twice as often as necessary?



He, I and many others that do this for a living have seen the consequences of NOT doing them every 30k and know that we don't want our customers to be out $2k for a trans when all it took was $100 twice to prevent it.

I'm not even gonna bother with the rest, because you know all and there's noone else that does so an argument is beyond pointless. But I couldn't let that statement go.

ZX2uner. . . we already discussed this!

[Tx_boy]

Well I live in Phoenix, AZ where we only have 2 seasons. HOT and HOTTER. We are just leaving the HOTTER season going into the HOT season. I will call my boy that works at Midas and have him change the plugs, wires, and the oil. As far as the tranny I will take that to a real proffesional and have them do it that way if they **** it up than I can have them fix it for free. Thanks for the advise.

[cclngthr]

How many and how often? Every part on a car is prone to some degree of failure, so of course, SOME manual transmissions are going to have to be replaced, regardless of whether the oil is changed in them or not. Unless you have data that correlates maintenance with frequency of replacement, you're just guessing. I don't know if it's true of current Hyundai transmissions, but older Mitsu' trannys were known for problems with bearing failures, again, regardless of maintenance.

I do about 2 a month on various makes models. I replace 1 Hyundai auto a month due to people NOT using the correct fluid (which is a higher ratio than several makes/models of cars). Those standards I have replaced are due to no service; fluid is black, dirty, burnt, syncros are trashed.

I know Bob changed his manual trans oil and it was under 30K since he had it changed last. I remember he mentioned the oil was real bad (and too thick). IF it was left in there for 60K, he likely would have more problems with it.

I asked a rear end shop how often they suggest changing the rear diff oil. They told me every 15,000 miles or 12 months especially on posi or limited slip rear ends. Since the diff is integrated with the fwd trans, that sees more abuse and heat than a rwd car/truck.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Colin. . .you probably don'twanna quote my experiences, remember I'm just a dumb parts guy. WHat could I know.

I know the honduh trans we do (manual) that uses GL4 fluids are changed every 30k.

[zx2uner]

ZX2uner. . . we already discussed this!

Oh yeah...I forgot... ;)

[Cypher]

ugh... bnystorm you are one stubborn bastard.

[zx2uner]

:ban: ... ;)

[HYTECH]

. The only contamininants are metals from wear, which is why they have magnetic drain plugs to draw steel particles out of suspension.
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the most common wear part in a manual trans is the brass syncros. and that won't stick to a magnet!!!