Nitrous Q's...I SEARCHED!!

[Morgasm69you]

hey guys, got a few questions about spraying (should have it within a few weeks)...now unfortunately i have an autotragic (tranny cooler in the mail) and i was wondering with the 82021 kit from zex and the WOT switch, would it be fine to punch it right off the line? i dont want to attempt it on my daily driver without knowing if that is safe or not...and also, i havent seen alot from fordfasterr lately (not that i stalk or anything lol) and if he sees this or if anyone knows, are the fuel rail adapters still available? or am i gonna have to see if someone here has one thats not in use... and one more question and i promise i'll stop lol the 190 lph Walbro fuel pump...i know its recommended, but is it necessary? and if you dont put it on, whats gonna happen? daily driver does not equal guinea pig haha thanks alot guys and remember I SEARCHED MY NUTS OFF...literally, they fell off when i was searching, it sucked :(

[falcon_w13]

ill answer what i can,
I know that you do need the 190lph walbro pump, if you don't get this you will not have enough fuel pressure when spraying, that would be bad. might make you run very lean...

what kind of shot you trying to run? and about those fuel line adapters check the NT forums there might be some in there.. i think bms231 would have em.. ( the cry02 guy :) )

[soullesselantra]

greywolf6984 is running a Nytrex kit on his XD with the stock trans and fuel pump, it runs pretty good with a 35 (i think) shot

[thewilson]

I recently pm'ed ford about this adapter he still has some just pm him about it

i'm sure someone with more knowledge will post up after me but if you punch it off the line your going to spin tires for a while depending on how much your spraying the posts that are out there especially the nitrous thread really helped me out with these questions

Colder Plug Thread (http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18892)
Nitrous Thread (http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=604)

You are basically going to need these things AFAIK im planning on doing this same kit (tax time) sure everyones tired of hearing my line about it

Transmission Cooler
Cooler Plugs
Bigger Fuel Pump
Gauges
Purge Kit
extra wiring
some zip ties
FordFasterr's Fuel Rail Adapter

with the adapter you can avoid splicing and all that spooky stuff

Again I'm in your boat planning on installation but this is what I've picked up from this bad *** site

[05xd]

I ran a 70 shot on my XD and Tib with a stock fuel system.Dave aka 2loud was running a 75 or 80 shot with only a upgraded pump and I think a trans cooler

[Morgasm69you]

yeah i'm gonna (eventually) do a 75 shot because from what i've heard on the forums thats what our engines can handle like i can handle a mean chicken sandwich (very easily and quite alot of it). i think i'm gonna do it up like 2loud (in the back seat, but behind the passenger seat), so i guess i'll get the pump. now also, i'm an idiot and i'm sure you all have noticed i know very little about nitrous because it scares me from stories i've heard. i know a purge kit is good to get old nitrous out of the lines, but i dont want to spend $114 on it from the zex site, i just want to shoot and thats it, so is that necessary? i'm not cheap just want a very simple setup with no bells and whistles. and with an automatic, has anyone switched the WOT sensor on while moving? and a better question, has anyone turned the sensor on while AT WOT? would that mess with the sensor? sorry for the questions guys, but outside-the-box stuff like this hasn't been covered as far as i can tell

[swifty]

I sent you a pm

[05xd]

The WOT switch will only come on at wide throttle and thats only after you manually arm the system.As far as getting a purge,I would.It helps get air out of the line and vapors,thus allowing a harder hit when you spray

[thewilson]

BUMP
I had a question and didnt want to clog up the forum with another thread. Here is my question. What parts can be installed prior to getting my hands on the nitrous kit? I'm going with the recomended Zex wet kit 82021 i believe was the number.
I think i need these parts

(4) 1 stage colder plugs
(1) Auto Trans Cooler
(1) Fuel Rail Adapter <-Ford Told me this cant be installed prior to kit
(1) 190Lph Walbro Fuel Pump
Pressure Gauge
Purge Kit

Any other parts really needed / recommended ? Will installing before hand cause any issues?

I can stock pile parts until the day comes I can buy the kit but if I can install the things then that works out because I can get some experience in there.

MW

[2loud2k2xd]

if you read my DIY install for the nitrous kit, you will find anything and everything that you will need and or want in there. the only thing i didnt have in my set-up was a remote bottle opener. and i did an 80 shot all the time. and sprayed right out the hole when racing. the purge kit only purges out the air and nitrous trapped in the lines and make the main nitrous line have be fully pressurized as to get a full nitrous spray.

if you were closer, id trade you my 190lph for your stocker.

and save yourself a bit of money and find the small parts on ebay (pressure gauge, purge kit, ect).

[soullesselantra]

if you read my DIY install for the nitrous kit, you will find anything and everything that you will need and or want in there. the only thing i didnt have in my set-up was a remote bottle opener. and i did an 80 shot all the time. and sprayed right out the hole when racing. the purge kit only purges out the air and nitrous trapped in the lines and make the main nitrous line have be fully pressurized as to get a full nitrous spray.

if you were closer, id trade you my 190lph for your stocker.

and save yourself a bit of money and find the small parts on ebay (pressure gauge, purge kit, ect).


how close is "closer" dave ;)

[thewilson]

:bowdown: *<Edited>* :bowdown:

Ok so I printed out the DIY from the mighty 2loud2k2xd and am going through the list. Just wondering what specifications the fuse panel should meet size etc. I found a few sites selling various jets but are there any recommended retailers? And finally for the Fuel Pump anyone need an oem one once the upgrade gets done? The 190 walboro runs like 85 on ebay so I should be able to pick that one up before xmas (hopefully)


A big thank you to everyone who contributes to this amazing knowledge base its unbelievable how much you can learn here.
:bowdown: *</Edited>* :bowdown:

[KeWLKaT]

Guys you dont NEEEEEEDD a new fuel pump.

NO! You dont!

Remember, you guys dont have fuel tuners on your car, by adding a new fuel pump, you will make ur car run richer when it's not spraying, and even richer when it is.

I run 10+ psi of boost on my car on the stock fuel pump, probably making 200+whp, dave only made like 160whp on an 80 shot, so believe me, I need much more fuel than u guys and am still using the stock pump., I have peaked at constant 14 psi of boost in the past weeks at a few occasions and my a/f ratio has always been rich.

[thewilson]

YAY I saved 85 bucks KeWLKaT you're the koolest lol i can't believe it wont be super complicated then. I just checked prices and Guages i've found so far (ebay blocked at work) are like 40 on the A/F and 65 for the nitrous pressure guage any recommendations?

[KeWLKaT]

Bah, do what I did, best bang for the buck : autometer phantom.

They're pretty much the cheapest line from autometer, but with the same precision ;)

They just dont look COOOOOOL, they have a white background with white shine.

[thewilson]

Schweeticus anyone know about jets?
http://www.koehlerinjection.com/Koehler/NMjets/nmjets.htm <-has em 5$ a piece what y'all say

:threadjac

[2loud2k2xd]

i still have the fuse panel sitting in the closet. i paid 35.00 for it. ill let it go for 15.00 shipped. its a 12 panel fuse. enough for nitrous and plenty of ICE.

soul--- what do you mean by close?

NX jets are the same as zex jets. and 5.00@ is cheap man. i paid 7.00@ for a whole bunch of them.

btw: my notifications arent working for some reason. if you need me, email me and ill be able to respond quicker. 2loud4udb(at)comcast.net

[thewilson]

Cant email so I pm'ed will email when i get home
aka dibs :D

[2loud2k2xd]

NO DIBS allowed!!!!!!!!













j/k man.
sorry, i just couldnt resist from reading the dibs thread. but i do hear ya on the dibs ish.

you also have a pm

[thewilson]

LoL once I get this nos going things are going to be so crazy

[Cypher]

its nitrous! not nos. and no felix you won't run extra rich just by putting in a bigger fuel pump. the computer is still going to push the right amount of fuel after it adjusts to the bigger pump. its not like its stuck pushing a constant 190lph or something. the injector pulse width is still limited and follows the maps of the car. if the computer over compensates for the fuel because its not used to the fuel pump it'll adjust and trim it back out to keep with the factory maps.

dave's mileage was the same with teh bigger pump and without.

[2loud2k2xd]

yup, still getting 25.6 mpg CITY :)
before i sprayed, when i sprayed, and long after i quit spraying, same mpg city.

i was contemplating throwing a 30 shot on the new bike, but ill wait till after i do some major mod installs (race filters, power commander (lap top tuning), full sato/akro/arata titanium exhaust). woo hoo, 165whp here i come--all motor :D

[KeWLKaT]

nd no felix you won't run extra rich just by putting in a bigger fuel pump.

FYI, the fuel pressure in the line is controlled at the pump itself.

Send the same voltage as stock to a different pump without fuel tuning... and... tada! running richer than rich.

Also, I remember BOTH evan AND dave talking about the idle being rougher and car running like **** in n/a with only 190 lph added without fuel tuning. For dave i'm not certain, but I know evan was, and basically GAVE the fuel pump to dave for a reason (and that's because his car was running like **** n/a without fuel tuning).

Also, a few other cases are known to the EXD community before you came in here jimbo, I also remember FordFasteRR mentionning it at a certain point. He recommended a bigger pump, but remember, he DID have fuel tuning (ARC1 or something like that).

[2loud2k2xd]

dude, my car never ran like ****, nor does it run like **** now. or idle weird, everything is perfectly normal. ive put 10k miles on her since the nitrous un-install. still daily drive with the 190 and no probs w/gas mileage. still 25.6 mpg city and has been ever since i bought the car new. i do however hear the dayum fuel pump whine, but i just turn up the radio a bit :)

[KeWLKaT]

i still stand by what i said.

i dont care what he does with his car, its his choice really, lol.

[Morgasm69you]

nitrous in my hands tomorrow...i think i'm gonna take the day off from school, work and the girl and just stare at the nitrous kit...maybe give myself "the stranger" hahaha

[Estopatitiana]

yeah i just came a cross this...i have done all the stuff you asked about..i have floored it from a start many many times...and i have hit the switch in the middle of a wot launch....and i have an auto..and so far my cars ok. i have jets for an 80 shot right now with stock everything..and my car has 107k miles on it...so you dont have to have a bigger pump but it makes things safer... you can look at your plugs to see if your running lean/rich

oh and always put 93 octane in!!

[thewilson]

What about race gas? Its what 100 octane or something higher like that they sell it at the track and I was wondering if theres any problem running that with the juice

[2loud2k2xd]

noooo, dont use race gas. you will have to adjust timing and possibly compression (i think). and ive launched like esopt--right off the line/tree, just into 2nd, ect all with auto trans (but with the bullshlt 3800 rpm hesitation, but the nitrous helped a bit with that). and still running 25.1mpg (dropped a bit due to winter). yeah, and the DIY for the install is easy. just read it a couple times and dive in. just take your time and do it right the 1st time--or you may blow da motor up. :)

and if you want my pump, youll have to come here. i dont want to swap pumps at a rest stop or something.

still have the fuse panel up for grabs (not intentionally thread jacking)

dave

[OH_Beta_Accent]

Theres nothing wrong with using race gas as long as it's unleaded. Normally with nitrous, as you go up with jetting, you need to pull timing to keep from knocking. Since pulling timing is pretty difficult in our cars, running higher octane gas and lowering the compression is the other viable options.

[thewilson]

Thanks for that information. Will I need to make any timing adjustments on a 75 shot running 93 octane?

[FordFasteRR]

Thanks for that information. Will I need to make any timing adjustments on a 75 shot running 93 octane?


no.



I ran a 90 shot wet kit with regular high-octane pump gas - never had a problem and the car still runs strong ( I sold it to my best friend in August) and not a damn thing is wrong with it =)

[thewilson]

W00T Thanks Ford you came to the rescue again !!!!

[05xd]

Nitrous is fun when done right ;)
PM sent thewilson