6 speed 2.7 liter in a XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheKoreanSaab]

I recently found this doing some searching. Alot of people said that it wouldnt work things wouldnt line up right so here you go. If you go to seoulfulracing it will tell you more about the car. I know they only have a little more than 30 hp but the 6 speed is what I like!

http://www.seoulfulracing.com/xd.jpg

[evan938]

that picture has been out for probably 3 years...thats nothing new. sorry

[ricerrx7]

It's not that people said it wouldn't be possible, just that it would pointless. Tons of work for not much more power,and a heavier front end...

[TheKoreanSaab]

yeah I know this but I didnt know it was a 6 speed.....sorry

I still think the beta is a better platform dont get me wrong!

[rckozma]

It's not that people said it wouldn't be possible, just that it would pointless. Tons of work for not much more power,and a heavier front end...

That is partially true. I remember several people and threads that said it was impossible to do (and I am sure carbonman would remember them as well) although we all know now that it is possible.

[NY2002ElantraGT]

possible, but not easy, lots of fabrication. some people feel its just plug and play but that is soooooooo not true!

and to spend all that time for 50hp? not worth it.IMO

[PSUsouthpaw]

not necessarily...if you're going to spend that much, you might as well go supercharged on the 2.7...there's a lot of potential in the Delta, and combining it with the XD platform is a cool idea...

Now, lets see a cheap conversion kit...

[hyunelan2]

If you're going to go through the work of fabricating everything to make a different engine fit, might as well use something better than the POS Delta.

[robs02elantra]

3 years evan? really? Seoulfurracing hasn't even been around that long. Is this just them hosting the picture or is it them laying claim to doing the work?? if it's the latter, then it couldn't be a 3 year old picture.

[KeWLKaT]

just them hosting the pic.

i remember seeing this a loooooooooong time ago aswell

[robs02elantra]

meh, I stand corrected

[evan938]

yeah rob, its just rehosted...i just tried to look around to find the pic from a while back, but of course, searching for tib, v6, elantra, 2.7 or a combination comes up with too many results

i searched v6 elantra and the oldest post to come up on the search (250 threads) was 10/26/06

[Cypher]

possible, but not easy, lots of fabrication. some people feel its just plug and play but that is soooooooo not true!

and to spend all that time for 50hp? not worth it.IMO

has anyone here ever tried to just DROP it in and see if it lines up? NO then don't say it won't just drop in. not to say you won't have to worry about axles and such but no one has tried it so for all we know the delta does just bolt in.

[burkej62]

turbo beta > ****ty delta

[hyunelan2]

has anyone here ever tried to just DROP it in and see if it lines up? NO then don't say it won't just drop in. not to say you won't have to worry about axles and such but no one has tried it so for all we know the delta does just bolt in.

Has anyone here ever tried to just DROP in a big-block V8 and see if it lines up? No? Same difference. It's not the same engine, it's not made to fit, and if you look at any of the specifications for it, you can see it doesn't fit without actually trying.

[Cypher]

its not the same thing. how bout first finding out if you had a I4 tib if the v6 would bolt right in? if it did then it would work. if the I4 mazdas can have hte KLZE dropped in easily then its the same thing.

[hyunelan2]

Let's leave mazda out of this - there is no more commonality between them and Hyundai than there would be between Chevy and Hyundai. Webtech can probably answer your question about I4 V6 direct differences. It you're assuming the 2.7 and 2.0 should be the same because they went in the same vehicle, then the 2.7 should also be the same as they Hyudai 2.4 and 3.5 since they were all in the Santa Fe together, which should mean the 3.5 would line up to the 2.0 also... which would then leave the question - why has no-one put that in a tib?

[ricerrx7]

Someone has put the 3.5 into a tib...

[hyunelan2]

^^^Good to know, never saw that. Link/details?

[ricerrx7]

http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87175&highlight=3.5

[hyunelan2]

That's cool that they did that, but other than mentioning that it bolted up to the 6-speed trans, there are little details about how direct the swap is. If nothing else, this should throw away any ideas that the 2.7 is a good idea, because the 3.5 would be a much better idea, if someone wanted to put the work in.

[txdproject]

If you're going to go through the work of fabricating everything to make a different engine fit, might as well use something better than the POS Delta.


you shouldnt have too much fabricating to do as far as mounting the engine to the frame but other than that ....it could get intresting...but like hyunelan2 said its not the greatest engine... thats why the sad fact is that the beta engine can take more hp...and make more with the right mods :D

[carbonman]

That is partially true. I remember several people and threads that said it was impossible to do (and I am sure carbonman would remember them as well) although we all know now that it is possible.

Actually, I along with jay were some of the ONLY people that said it was possible. There were toooo many heated debates where some were saying it was impossible.

I could try to dig up those old threads but I won't bother. Basically we found out that the swap would only take the swap of the subframe, reweld two of the mounts, relocate the rad and trim some of the rad support.

Oh and the delta is only 40lbs heavier than the beta, 40lbs is alot of weight added up front. When i was doing up VW's some 10 years ago(god dang I'm gettin old!!! :eek:) I worked on a few A2 golf VR6 swaps, and for people that have read anything about those swaps know that the handling was drastically changed for the worse

[rckozma]

Actually, I along with jay were some of the ONLY people that said it was possible. There were toooo many heated debates where some were saying it was impossible.

I could try to dig up those old threads but I won't bother. Basically we found out that the swap would only take the swap of the subframe, reweld two of the mounts, relocate the rad and trim some of the rad support.


Exactly, I remember those threads here and on the other hyundai forums and I could name the people (but I won't) that were calling you guys crazy when you were saying it could be done.

[Tyburn]

kinda outa the topic, but I heard that there are 6 speed for beta in Korea.... anyone done/seen this?

now back to the topic, did they have to change the whole engine bay? or just swich the engines?

[WytchDctr]

One thing to point out about the "only Xhp more" thats at peak. The delta has a crap load more power lower than the beta. I drove my friends tib around one night then jumped in my elantra after he dropped me off. I thought my clutch was slipping or something because it didn't move like the delta.

[hyunelan2]

The uneven torque curve (flat to 3K RPM) gets very annoying when driving the Delta for any period of time. Say you're cruising at 2000 RPM or so and you step on the gas to accellerate - the engine doesn't seem to do anything until it finally gets out of the flat part above 3000 RPM. Then it displays all its power all at once. It is a huge annoyance on that engine.

[WytchDctr]

was that in a santa fe or tib? I didn't notice that.. the off idle power and just about ever rev under 4k was defiantly Delta > beta. The only place the delta felt a little weak to me was near redline

[hyunelan2]

Every Delta vehicle I've drove, you notice the same thing... Santa Fe, Sonata, or Tib (I never drove a Delta Tucson though). May feel slightly different when driving a manual trans, but the auto trans feels the same in all 3 cars. The torque curve is like:

_______^----___

[WytchDctr]

Ive never driven the auto, only 5 and 6spd.

[OPZ]

It is probably the tranny then. When I drove my brothers Tib it felt quicker then my lil XD.

[hyunelan2]

yes, of course quicker than the XD. The trans has nothing to do with the torque curve of the engine though, you can just stay out of the 'bad' rpm range if you're driving manual.

[chillbro1]

Jeez...

Whatever happened to creativity...

Whether it's Sport Compacts, Hot Rods, Lowriders or whatever...sometimes people do things to their cars just to say they did it regardless of performance gains or reductions.

It's about creativity...something to make the car different from the "status quo"


Peace,

[2001GLS]

If I was doing an engine swap into an XD the 2.7 wouldn't be my first choice. Would rather see somebody drop a 2.4 Theta in there.

[hyunelan2]

If I was doing an engine swap into an XD the 2.7 wouldn't be my first choice. Would rather see somebody drop a 2.4 Theta in there.

Exactly.


Chillbro - I'm not saying don't do a swap if anyone has the time and funds to figure it out. I'm saying if you're going to do a swap, pick a better engine than the POS Delta. 2001GLS, the 2.4 Theta would be a great choice IMO. Even though it's a 4-cyl, it has just about the same power as the 2.7 Delta, and better low-end torque (in the one experience I've had with a Theta equipped car).

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Hey Mike, welcome to my world. . . .you know the one where everyone jumps down your throat because you went agains their ideas with reality. . . .

Anyway, if you want to waste your time on a delta swap, go for it. But my personal opinion is that it's a waste in more ways than one. Added weight (in the wrong spot), not much power gain, horrid fuel economy. . . .all of which cost you at least $3k.

[Cypher]

the point is you don't know it'll cost that much. a engine, trans, engine harness, and clutch stuff won't run you that much. and the ecu. no one knows what the fitment problems are because no one has done it.

[06elantra]

horrid fuel economy. . . .all of which cost you at least $3k.

when my parents had thier Santa Fe, with the 2.7 and auto, they got SHOCKINGLY TERRIBLE - have i mentioned bad yet - fuel eccon...
tho.. in the lighter than the santa fe body, the XD/2 might not be soooo bad...

*gets back in box*

[BobMs_wht2k2]

I can tell you from our customers with the 6-spds that 17-19mpg was the norm. Sorry, butif an LS1 Camaro/Firebird can do that with alot more weight and a V8. . .that's kinda pathetic.

[WytchDctr]

and what kinda ratio does that things 6th gear have?? Don't they actually top out in 5th because 6th is so long itll bog the car even at speed? Maybe I read that wrong or it was just the new vette... Its not the engine its the gearing or thats how I understand it anyway. :D