Pulled over for window tint

[Onelove5683]

Well boys, it finally happened. I got pulled over after a nice Thanksgiving dinner for window tint.

The cop also included my license plate cover and exhaust "extends past the body line" (which it is not) in the nature of offence.

Well, I got a warning that says I need to remove the tint and fix the other stuff before 5 days and bring the car back to the police to verify (or something else about having an inspection shop sign it).

While I was pulled over I asked a few questions which the cop did not answer and could not answer:

*How much will it be if I do not bring the car back to verify?
*What will happen if I do not remove the tint?
*Am I legally allowed to drive with no windows?
-He said yes, so I said what if I put my windows down, would that be legal? He wan unable to answer.
Then I told him I will remove my 4 side windows and come back to see him.
*I asked where the law is posted and why they dont notify drivers of these exact laws.
-He said its in the inspection manual at the inspection stations where they inspected my car.
*I said why did I pass inspection for 3 years straight??? NO ANSWER!
*I then asked him what to do next about the warning and how to go about bringing my car back, he has no ****ing answer!!!! he couldnt tell me anything.

I told him it's funny that there are drunk drivers and drug users out there on the road, and he is busy pulling me over for tint.

I even offered that I would never again drive to that town if he just lets me go, he said if i was taxpayer from that town, he would let me go.

But guess what??? It's not even a PA LAW!!
http://www.berksweb.com/users/dmv/tint/

Anyways, I got a warning and no idea how much I will be paying becuz he wouldnt tell me. I also called the guy from Hyundai who inspected my car, and asked another inspection guy who both said that those "offences" are perfectly legal for state inspection. ****, now what?

Please advise. I refuse to remove my tint. I have it to reduce eye strain from SUVS, reduce heat in the summer, and protect my interior from sun damage. Also it cause a great problem and sometimes damage to reove the tint.

In Guam they even ruled tint laws to be unconstitutional.

[ghrpdx]

Looks to me like all your answers are contained in the information you linked to ... it states that window tint is not legal beyond a certain level of light transmittance in PA. If I recall correctly, the levels in PA are very high ... meaning PA was more strict in what was allowed than other states.

There is a link somewhere on the board here that gives 50 state tint laws. You can search for it.

[txdproject]

exhaust "extends past the body line" what the **** does that mean...i got pulled over a while back and they *****ed about my exhaust and said it couldnt be modded or something like that but they didnt right a ticket since they couldnt lol

[CornbreadXD]

thats bullpoop! I got pulled over for that recently too and the told me my music was loud so im goin to court 12/4. the city where i was stopped in ohio didn't charge anything to inspect the windows. I got pulled over and the meter read 40% so i got the ticket and the next day i went to the station for them to recheck it and it came back at 48% which is legal and i wasn't charged for it you just have to get it inspected if it was illegal. Bored cops are the worst kind!

[Onelove5683]

here is the thing: HE DIDNT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT TINT PERCENTAGE! He didnt measure it or even mention about that. He just said "remove all tint".

=/

[KeWLKaT]

LOL wtf

You guys are lucky you get warning tickets, we don't have those in quebec anymore, it's a strait up ticket now.

[OPZ]

That site is my hero. Plus i've been pulled over twice for headlights being out, and the cops said nothing about my tint. I did put all the windows down though, but thats just for thier and my safty. But I seriously have lost count of cars I see in pittsburgh with limo tint on EVERY window, some even including the windshield.

[ghrpdx]

We don't get warnings in Oregon anymore either. You get the ticket and you pay the fine. The great part is, if you want to fight something in court, you pay the court costs. It's a crappy catch-22. You pay either way.

[04 elantra cvvt]

Window tint in Texas is a funny subject. If you get pulled over by DPS, and they see that it's darker than 34% on the glass, you'll get a ticket. However, you can pass inspection with tint that is 24% or lighter. Explain that one to me.

[hyunelan2]

Legal PA tint is 70% on any window, kinda worthless to even get tint that light.

http://www.tintdude.com/laws.html

Pennsylvania DOT equipment specifications can be found here:
https://www.dot4.state.pa.us/vehicle_code/index.shtml

Also, you cannot remove your windows without violating the following:
Other violations.--It is unlawful for any person to do any of the following:
(1) Willfully or intentionally remove (other than for purposes of repair and
replacement) or render inoperative, in whole or in part, any item of vehicle equipment which was
required to be installed at the time of manufacture or thereafter upon any vehicle, by any law,
rule, regulation or requirement of any officer or agency of the United States or of the
Commonwealth, if it is intended that the vehicle be operated upon the highways of this
Commonwealth unless the removal or alteration is specifically permitted by this title or by
regulations promulgated by the department.


For anyone who's looking, if you google [your state] motor vehicle code, you can usually easily find the list of regulations for equipment on vehicles. MVCs are typically portions of state statute, which makes the entire thing a law.


i got pulled over a while back and they *****ed about my exhaust and said it couldnt be modded or something like that but they didnt right a ticket since they couldnt lol

They could have ticketed you for violation of section (625 ILCS 5/12‑602) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 12‑602)


No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise of such vehicle above that emitted by the muffler originally installed on the vehicle, and such original muffler shall comply with all the requirements of this Section.

[OPZ]

70% is what comes on the car stock. So one round for PA being stupid! Yay!

[Onelove5683]

Legal PA tint is 70% on any window, kinda worthless to even get tint that light.

http://www.tintdude.com/laws.html

Pennsylvania DOT equipment specifications can be found here:
https://www.dot4.state.pa.us/vehicle_code/index.shtml



What are you getting at?

[hyunelan2]

I was getting at a source where you can find the answers to the questions that the cop couldn't answer for you.

[Onelove5683]

HOUSE BILL

No. 277 Session of 2005
6 Section 1. Section 4524(e) of Title 75 of the Pennsylvania
7 Consolidated Statutes is amended to read:
8 § 4524.

10 (e) Sun screening and other materials prohibited.--
11 (1) No person shall [drive any motor vehicle] operate on
12 a public highway, road or street a motor vehicle that is
13 registered or required to be registered in this Commonwealth
14 with any sun screening device or other material which does
15 not permit a person to see or view the inside of the vehicle
16 through the windshield, side wing or side window of the
17 vehicle, except in accordance with the provisions of this
1 subsection.

27 (6) Nothing in this subsection shall prohibit the use
28 of:
29 (i) A sun screening product or material along the
30 top edge of the windshield as long as the product is
1 transparent and does not extend beyond the AS-1 portion
2 of the windshield or six inches from the top of the
3 windshield.
4 (ii) A sun screening device or material used in
5 conjunction with the automotive safety glazing materials
6 of the side windows located at the immediate right and
7 left of the driver that has a light reflectivity of no
8 more than 15% and a visible light transmittance level of
9 not less than 70%.
10 (iii) A sun screening device or material used in
11 conjunction with the automotive safety glazing materials
12 of the rear window or the side windows located behind the
13 driver that has a light reflectivity of no more than 15%
14 and a visible light transmittance level of not less than
15 35%.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/dtsearch.asp?cmd=search&searchType=allwords&maxfiles=10&autoStopLimit=1000&sort=Hits&CiScope=20050txt&CiRestriction=tint

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Just one more reason to look into your specific state laws BEFORE you modify. The burden of finding out the legalities lies on you the owner not the state. It is not their fault that you did not find out what was legal and not before beginning modifications.

[Onelove5683]

Just one more reason to look into your specific state laws BEFORE you modify. The burden of finding out the legalities lies on you the owner not the state. It is not their fault that you did not find out what was legal and not before beginning modifications.


wtf are u talking about?

read the law i posted before you comment, the point is that there is no law against what i was warned about.

all we dont need is more people like you in this country. I'll bet you think we have too many freedoms here too, haha.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Listen sonny, just because you got busted and plead ignorance doesn't mean you didn't break the law. According to the OTHER posts regarding the laws in your state, you ARE guilty.

[hyunelan2]

Onelove- the part of your post above that says:

4 (ii) A sun screening device or material used in
5 conjunction with the automotive safety glazing materials
6 of the side windows located at the immediate right and
7 left of the driver that has a light reflectivity of no
8 more than 15% and a visible light transmittance level of
9 not less than 70%.


says you cannot have tint darker than 70%. Are you saying your tint is 70%?

[fgummett]

4 (ii) A sun screening device or material used in
5 conjunction with the automotive safety glazing materials
6 of the side windows located at the immediate right and
7 left of the driver that has a light reflectivity of no
8 more than 15% and a visible light transmittance level of
9 not less than 70%.
10 (iii) A sun screening device or material used in
11 conjunction with the automotive safety glazing materials
12 of the rear window or the side windows located behind the
13 driver that has a light reflectivity of no more than 15%
14 and a visible light transmittance level of not less than
15 35%.

That what I read also... not less than 70% light transmittance for the front and not less that 35% for the rear. :cool:

[Onelove5683]

Onelove- the part of your post above that says:



says you cannot have tint darker than 70%. Are you saying your tint is 70%?

My two front windows were down, and the cop didnt see them because I didnt put them up, nor did he ask me to. So as far as he knows, there is 100% visible light transmittance in my two front windows.

Also, it says the back windows can have visible light transmittance level of 35% which they are.

The cop didnt check anything with any kind of light transparency detection tool.

[hyunelan2]

Were you driving with the windows down, or could he have seen them before he walked up to the car - i.e. when he saw you drive by before he flipped on the lights, he could have seen they were tinted.

[Onelove5683]

nope they were down then too

Dear Sir:

I am responding to your questions regarding window tinting. You correctly cite Title 75, Section 4524, subsection e, which appears below. There are several exceptions to this section and those exceptions appear below as well. Tinting installed by "the manufacturer" is exempt from this section and will apply to most vehicles. If you had tinting applied by a secondary source and said tinting does not allow a "person to see or view the inside of the vehicle through the windshield, side wing or side window of the vehicle," said tinting is in violation of the vehicle code, unless the tinting is installed for the medical reasons. Tinting must allow a minimum of 70% light transmittance, many police have light transmittance meters that will objectively determine if tinting violates this section. You may be able to prove that your tinting is in compliance by contacting the business or person that installed the tint, because they would likely have records or documentation of the tint used. (PennDOT does not require inspectors to approve or test window tint as part of the routine annual inspection.)

TABLE X-ACCEPTABLE LIGHT TRANSMITTANCE LEVELS FOR VEHICLE GLAZING

All light transmittance levels listed below assume a 3% accuracy (±3%)

FrontSide RearSide

Vehicle Type Windshield Windows/Wings Windows/Wings Rear Window
Pre-1998 Passenger Cars 70% 70% 70% VESC-20*
1998 & Newer Passenger Cars 70% 70% 70% 70%
Trucks & Multi-Purpose Passenger Vehicles 70% 70% No Requirement No Requirement
Medium/Heavy Trucks & Buses 70% 70% No Requirement No Requirement
All Other Vehicles 70% 70% No Requirement No Requirement



Sun screening and other materials prohibited.--

(1) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any sun
screening device or other material which does not permit a
person to see or view the inside of the vehicle through the
windshield, side wing or side window of the vehicle.

(2) This subsection does not apply to:

(i) A vehicle which is equipped with tinted windows
of the type and specification that were installed by the
manufacturer of the vehicle or to any hearse, ambulance,
government vehicle or any other vehicle for which a
currently valid certificate of exemption has been issued
in accordance with regulations adopted by the department.
(ii) A vehicle which is equipped with tinted
windows, sun screening devices or other materials which
comply with all applicable Federal regulations and for
which a currently valid certificate of exemption for
medical reasons has been issued in accordance with
regulations adopted by the department.
(3) A certificate of exemption shall be issued by the
department for a vehicle which is:
(i) Registered in this Commonwealth on the effective
date of this subsection and is equipped with a sun
screening device or other material prohibited under
paragraph (1) on the effective date.
(ii) Equipped with tinted windows, sun screening
devices or other materials for a physical condition that
makes it necessary to equip the motor vehicle with sun
screening material which would be of a light
transmittance or luminous reflectance in violation of
this section.
(A) A certificate of exemption for medical
reasons shall be issued only if the owner or
registrant of the vehicle, or a person residing in
the household of the owner or registrant who
regularly drives or is driven in the vehicle, suffers
from a physical condition determined by the
department, in consultation with the Medical Advisory
Board, to justify the exemption.
(B) Any person requesting an exemption for
medical reasons shall have his physical condition
certified to the department by a licensed physician
or optometrist.
(4) A certificate of exemption issued under this
subsection shall be carried in the vehicle and displayed on
request of a police officer.
(5) Upon the sale or transfer of the vehicle to any
person who does not qualify under paragraph (2)(ii), the
exemption shall be null and void. Prior to the sale or
transfer of an exempt vehicle, it shall be the sole
responsibility of the owner or seller of a formerly exempt
vehicle to remove all sun screening or other materials from
the vehicle. At the time of the sale or transfer of a
formerly exempt vehicle, the owner shall remove and destroy
the certificate of exemption for physical reasons and provide
the purchaser with a notarized statement setting forth the
name and address of the owner or seller, the vehicle
identification number, year and model, and the business
entity and process used to remove the sun screening or other
material.

I thank you for visiting my website. If I can be of any further service to you, please do not hesitate to contact my office. If you have remaining questions specific to this issue, please contact Bill Roland in my McKeesport district office at 412-664-5200.

Sincerely,

Sean Logan
State Senator

[mregt02]

Too bad about hassle but at least you didn't get a ticket, we have a local zealot trying to get tinting banned.

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndRegion/2006/11/27/2515784-sun.html

[hyunelan2]

Well, by that information, you know why you passed inspection for the last 3 years (they don't look for it). It also says:

1998 & Newer Passenger Cars 70% 70% 70% 70%

Which means the 35% is out?

[Onelove5683]

Too bad about hassle but at least you didn't get a ticket, we have a local zealot trying to get tinting banned.

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndRegion/2006/11/27/2515784-sun.html
I will get a ticket sent to my home if I dont go back and show that I removed the tint.

He said if I dont do it, he will also cite me for the exhaust and plate cover, and failure to respond to a written warning.

He also lied about the cost and said if I dont stop asking questions, he will cite me $106 FOR EACH WINDOW. when I called the police station today they said its only $110 total, for all windows.

Interesting how redneck pickups can have tint but cars cannot. I wonder if this is a racial issue haha. Or maybe trucks and pickups are closer to the Sun so they need more protection?

nope they were down then too

Dear Sir:

I am responding to your questions regarding window tinting. You correctly cite Title 75, Section 4524, subsection e, which appears below. There are several exceptions to this section and those exceptions appear below as well. Tinting installed by "the manufacturer" is exempt from this section and will apply to most vehicles. If you had tinting applied by a secondary source and said tinting does not allow a "person to see or view the inside of the vehicle through the windshield, side wing or side window of the vehicle," said tinting is in violation of the vehicle code, unless the tinting is installed for the medical reasons. Tinting must allow a minimum of 70% light transmittance, many police have light transmittance meters that will objectively determine if tinting violates this section. You may be able to prove that your tinting is in compliance by contacting the business or person that installed the tint, because they would likely have records or documentation of the tint used. (PennDOT does not require inspectors to approve or test window tint as part of the routine annual inspection.)

TABLE X-ACCEPTABLE LIGHT TRANSMITTANCE LEVELS FOR VEHICLE GLAZING

All light transmittance levels listed below assume a 3% accuracy (±3%)

FrontSide RearSide

Vehicle Type Windshield Windows/Wings Windows/Wings Rear Window
Pre-1998 Passenger Cars 70% 70% 70% VESC-20*
1998 & Newer Passenger Cars 70% 70% 70% 70%
Trucks & Multi-Purpose Passenger Vehicles 70% 70% No Requirement No Requirement
Medium/Heavy Trucks & Buses 70% 70% No Requirement No Requirement
All Other Vehicles 70% 70% No Requirement No Requirement



Sun screening and other materials prohibited.--

(1) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any sun
screening device or other material which does not permit a
person to see or view the inside of the vehicle through the
windshield, side wing or side window of the vehicle.

(2) This subsection does not apply to:

(i) A vehicle which is equipped with tinted windows
of the type and specification that were installed by the
manufacturer of the vehicle or to any hearse, ambulance,
government vehicle or any other vehicle for which a
currently valid certificate of exemption has been issued
in accordance with regulations adopted by the department.
(ii) A vehicle which is equipped with tinted
windows, sun screening devices or other materials which
comply with all applicable Federal regulations and for
which a currently valid certificate of exemption for
medical reasons has been issued in accordance with
regulations adopted by the department.
(3) A certificate of exemption shall be issued by the
department for a vehicle which is:
(i) Registered in this Commonwealth on the effective
date of this subsection and is equipped with a sun
screening device or other material prohibited under
paragraph (1) on the effective date.
(ii) Equipped with tinted windows, sun screening
devices or other materials for a physical condition that
makes it necessary to equip the motor vehicle with sun
screening material which would be of a light
transmittance or luminous reflectance in violation of
this section.
(A) A certificate of exemption for medical
reasons shall be issued only if the owner or
registrant of the vehicle, or a person residing in
the household of the owner or registrant who
regularly drives or is driven in the vehicle, suffers
from a physical condition determined by the
department, in consultation with the Medical Advisory
Board, to justify the exemption.
(B) Any person requesting an exemption for
medical reasons shall have his physical condition
certified to the department by a licensed physician
or optometrist.
(4) A certificate of exemption issued under this
subsection shall be carried in the vehicle and displayed on
request of a police officer.
(5) Upon the sale or transfer of the vehicle to any
person who does not qualify under paragraph (2)(ii), the
exemption shall be null and void. Prior to the sale or
transfer of an exempt vehicle, it shall be the sole
responsibility of the owner or seller of a formerly exempt
vehicle to remove all sun screening or other materials from
the vehicle. At the time of the sale or transfer of a
formerly exempt vehicle, the owner shall remove and destroy
the certificate of exemption for physical reasons and provide
the purchaser with a notarized statement setting forth the
name and address of the owner or seller, the vehicle
identification number, year and model, and the business
entity and process used to remove the sun screening or other
material.

I thank you for visiting my website. If I can be of any further service to you, please do not hesitate to contact my office. If you have remaining questions specific to this issue, please contact Bill Roland in my McKeesport district office at 412-664-5200.

Sincerely,

Sean Logan
State Senator

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME!

Your response is still inconsistent with what I have found on the House Bill. As it seems, a vehicle CAN have tint on the rear windows as long as it complies with "A sun screening device or material used in conjunction with the automotive safety glazing materials of the rear window or the side windows located behind the driver that has a light reflectivity of no more than 15% and a visible light transmittance level of not less than 35%."

The Table-X that you referenced states 70%.

My two front windows are not necessarily in question because they were both down as I drove past the officer, and I was never asked to show them to him.


6 Section 1. Section 4524(e) of Title 75 of the Pennsylvania
7 Consolidated Statutes is amended to read:
8 § 4524.

10 (e) Sun screening and other materials prohibited.--
11 (1) No person shall [drive any motor vehicle] operate on
12 a public highway, road or street a motor vehicle that is
13 registered or required to be registered in this Commonwealth
14 with any sun screening device or other material which does
15 not permit a person to see or view the inside of the vehicle
16 through the windshield, side wing or side window of the
17 vehicle, except in accordance with the provisions of this
1 subsection.

27 (6) Nothing in this subsection shall prohibit the use
28 of:
29 (i) A sun screening product or material along the
30 top edge of the windshield as long as the product is
1 transparent and does not extend beyond the AS-1 portion
2 of the windshield or six inches from the top of the
3 windshield.
4 (ii) A sun screening device or material used in
5 conjunction with the automotive safety glazing materials
6 of the side windows located at the immediate right and
7 left of the driver that has a light reflectivity of no
8 more than 15% and a visible light transmittance level of
9 not less than 70%.
10 (iii) A sun screening device or material used in
11 conjunction with the automotive safety glazing materials
12 of the rear window or the side windows located behind the
13 driver that has a light reflectivity of no more than 15%
14 and a visible light transmittance level of not less than
15 35%.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/dtsear...estriction=tint

[mregt02]

wow, talk about throwing the book at you.

Sorry man

[BobMs_wht2k2]

So it turns into a "He said, she said" and guess what, you're still S.O.L. Sorry, but it is STILL your responsibility to read and understand the laws BEFORE making modifications. If you have questions you should ask them FIRST, not after you've made the modification. That was my one and only point for those that are considering doing these types of things to their cars.

[Onelove5683]

So it turns into a "He said, she said" and guess what, you're still S.O.L. Sorry, but it is STILL your responsibility to read and understand the laws BEFORE making modifications. If you have questions you should ask them FIRST, not after you've made the modification. That was my one and only point for those that are considering doing these types of things to their cars.
Thats what the legal system basically is, "he said she said".

Unfortunately we have individual cops and departments who make the rules as they go. And it doesn't much help that they are usually buddy buddy with the district justices that handle the citations.

You must be a Republican, no offence to the republican, but this guy clearly has something up his ***. I wonder if it's the same bug the copper had Thanksgiving night?

[BobMs_wht2k2]

You must be a Republican, no offence to the republican, but this guy clearly has something up his ***. I wonder if it's the same bug the copper had Thanksgiving night?

Really, and exactly wha does that have to do with this topic? Obviously you're a democrat, always wanting something for nothing and not taking any responsibility for your actions.

[Ugzz]

PA is really tough though, mainly because there are a ****load of websites that explain that PA has 70% for the front and no blackout for the rear... but then there are a ton of documented cases of people being pulled over for rear tint thats not blackout.. and theres references that say that some inspections and plice station receive documentation RECOMMENDING that nothing pass with more then 70% anywhere, but thats nothing more then a recommendation and is most certainly NOT law, because the law states pretty clearly the no blackout... so because of that a TON of questions arise.. if im pulled over at night and hit my interior lights the car lights up super bright.. well tahts no blackout.. so do i get a ticket? what if i put the windows down? then what..?

personally i have 20% in the back and 35 in the front.. the 35 you can see through at night, and the 20 really is quite dark.. im sure i could be ticketed if the windows are up and no lights on are inside the car, becaue then you cant see in....

so i would say go online and SITE a ton of places that state the no blackout law, and take it to court and say that your not blacked out... thats about all i can even think of really.. pa just seems like they enjoy screwin with ya, maybe youl get lucky and the cop wont even show up to court.. heh

o, and as for the exhaust, thought i never looked it up much as far as i know in pa your not legally allowed to do anything to it really.. its just that alota people are willing to take that risk :P

[kahunaelantra86]

i got pulled over and i didn't know if it was for my 18% tint or my hid kit. The cop said i didn't slow down fast enough when the speed changed. Right before he walked away, he asked if my headlights were aftermarket and then he asked if i liked them, and then he walked away...strange night.

[Onelove5683]

i ****ed up. i told the cop i knew he pulled me for the tint because i knew i didnt do anything wrong.

[Onelove5683]

entire site about topics such as these... and which legislators to lobby.

http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?ID=/content/SEMASANcom/HomePage

[evan938]

why not just go to the doctor, tell him the light hurts your eyes while driving, and ask for a prescription to have tinted windows. whats he gonna do? say "no, your eyes DONT hurt while driving due to the sun". how would he prove that

[dasBEBEN]

Obviously you're a democrat, always wanting something for nothing and not taking any responsibility for your actions.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. One word. ENRON.




Lets not say stupid things or generalize just because someone else does.

[hyunelan2]

why not just go to the doctor, tell him the light hurts your eyes while driving, and ask for a prescription to have tinted windows. whats he gonna do? say "no, your eyes DONT hurt while driving due to the sun". how would he prove that

My mom tried that after she got a ticket for window tint. The doctor told her wearing sunglasses is better and gave her a pair of those big-a blueblocker goggle things. Fewer and fewer doctors are writing 'notes for tint' because of how many people abused the system.

[Onelove5683]

After talking to multiple state representatives, and the senator's office, they all told me that the LAW is in TITLE 75 Chapter 45 Sub-chapter e. And they all looked it up and read it on the phone that "no person shall drive any motor vehicle with any sun screening device or other material which does not permit a person to see or view the inside of the vehicle through the windshield, side wing or side window of the vehicle."

They said that is the law, and that a PA Bulletin is not the law.

So they said call the Chief of Police and tell him that. So I called him and after he failed to find the title number without me telling him, he read it and his conclusion about title 75 being the law was this:

"that is a matter of opinion"

[evan938]

My mom tried that after she got a ticket for window tint. The doctor told her wearing sunglasses is better and gave her a pair of those big-a blueblocker goggle things. Fewer and fewer doctors are writing 'notes for tint' because of how many people abused the system.

im gonna post on our local board and see if theres any doctors (i know theres a couple, but not medical...one is a phychologist (sp>)) and see if i can pay one of them 50$ to write me a prescription, and then tint the **** out of this car. like maybe 15% or so :)

[hyunelan2]

^^^The only problem is you still get pulled over. Yes, you have a 'note' to get out of a ticket, but you still have to deal with the cop pulling you over, looking over all your stuff, and nit-picking some other equipment on your car if he wants to. Or, in a worse case, suspecting you of DUI and making you walk the line, just for fun - since he can't give you a ticket for tint.

[evan938]

he cant give me a sobriety test without reason to think im drunk (weaving, smell like booze when he pulls me over). im not worried about getting pulled over anyways. i dont do drugs or carry them in my car, i dont drink and drive, my insurance is always paid, registration is always good. id take a 15 min stop to show him my dr's note and keep my car looking good

[Onelove5683]

the legal system is a matter of opinion in the words of the police chief.

[Ugzz]

After talking to multiple state representatives, and the senator's office, they all told me that the LAW is in TITLE 75 Chapter 45 Sub-chapter e. And they all looked it up and read it on the phone that "no person shall drive any motor vehicle with any sun screening device or other material which does not permit a person to see or view the inside of the vehicle through the windshield, side wing or side window of the vehicle."

They said that is the law, and that a PA Bulletin is not the law.

So they said call the Chief of Police and tell him that. So I called him and after he failed to find the title number without me telling him, he read it and his conclusion about title 75 being the law was this:

"that is a matter of opinion"

that is some major bs -PA is doing nothing but hurting themselves.. dumarses

[OPZ]

Take that to the news. This is almost corruption, even though its a small thing. But news stations LOVE this ****. Hell, maybe KDKA will even do one of those "you paid for it" investigation things about how auto owners get dicked, but truck/motorcycle riders dont.

[Malfunctionbob]

My mom tried that after she got a ticket for window tint. The doctor told her wearing sunglasses is better and gave her a pair of those big-a blueblocker goggle things. Fewer and fewer doctors are writing 'notes for tint' because of how many people abused the system.


I wonder why they hell they care if you're abusing the system.. The next logical step is to say the glasses give you a headache ;)

[Onelove5683]

Take that to the news. This is almost corruption, even though its a small thing. But news stations LOVE this ****. Hell, maybe KDKA will even do one of those "you paid for it" investigation things about how auto owners get dicked, but truck/motorcycle riders dont.
i just called them and explained everything.

they will think about it and let me know.

[evan938]

you know, i hate to say it, but if you make it a big issue by taking it to the news, you may get out of this one ticket, but im sure theyre going to change those laws around so if it happens again, theyre just gonna come down on you even harder.

luckily when i got mine, it was just "pay 85$ and have a nice day". i didnt have to go back and get it checked. i knew it was WAY too dark (legal 50% front, no limit rear), and i had 18% except my windshield. i paid the 85$ and went on my way

[Onelove5683]

you know, i hate to say it, but if you make it a big issue by taking it to the news, you may get out of this one ticket, but im sure theyre going to change those laws around so if it happens again, theyre just gonna come down on you even harder.

luckily when i got mine, it was just "pay 85$ and have a nice day". i didnt have to go back and get it checked. i knew it was WAY too dark (legal 50% front, no limit rear), and i had 18% except my windshield. i paid the 85$ and went on my way
I thought of that after I called.

you are right.

Booyakasha.

but this guy said if i dont remove my tint he will not only charge me for the tint, but also for the license plate cover, and exhaust "extending beyond the body of the car"

[OPZ]

Yea, PA is pretty stupid. Honestly, I would prefer it if they said "ok, its either legal or not." Instead of the "well, it COULD be legal...why dont you just come back."

And trust me, the cops in this area would.

[Fishslayer]

Hell, maybe KDKA will even do one of those "you paid for it" investigation things about how auto owners get dicked, but truck/motorcycle riders dont.

Ummm.... yeah... bikers NEVER get hassled for no reason...


sheesh... :cool:




Fishslayer

[OPZ]

No, around here they can do damn near whatever they want. They also passed a law stating that if your over 18, and have been riding, you DONT need a helmet. That is just STUPID.

I have respect for bikers, I really do. But when a person gets in a car wreck, perfectly fine, and almost loses thier license, but a biker wrecks doing a wheelie, and is allowed to ride again immedialtly...WTF...