Hyundia oil filter only!!

[Lts 05GT]

So I took my car in to the dealer for the first time today for my exhuast noise. When I was there the service guy asked if I replaced my oil filter with only hyundia parts. He said it was neccessary because they have a flap that does not allow oil to drain with the engine off, so when you start the car it doesnt run without oil, and if you get an engine knock and dont have a oem filter there goes your warrenty.

Anyone else heard this one, or is he just playing the dealership game??

[HYTECH]

you do not have to use hyundai filters but if there is an engine failure that can be blamed on low oil pressure and you have an aftermarket filter it better be a good one. like with anything else you get what you pay for so stay away from the cheap oil filters and stay away from FRAM...


check out TSB
05-20-002

[NovaResource]

It's against the law for a car company to require you to use their parts only unless they provide those parts for FREE. As long as the replacement parts meet the requirements, it doesn't matter who makes them. It's covered under the The Magnuson-Moss Act.
http://www.gopurepower.com/site/infolibrary/magnuson-moss-act.asp
http://www.noln.net/tech/index.htm

[Lts 05GT]

Nice! Thanks for that and I will let the dealership I know, maybe get a bunch of free oil filters out of it! Or at least not void my warrenty.

[tharptroy]

BTW, nearly every oil filter on the market has that "flap"

[jalmir]

But the "stay away from FRAM filter" is true, on our cars they are known to drop the oil pressure by too much and can cause oil starvation in the long term.

[cclngthr]

That *flap* is a 1 way check valve that prevents oil from being drained from the head. Wix filters has these check valves.

It's against the law for a car company to require you to use their parts only unless they provide those parts for FREE. As long as the replacement parts meet the requirements, it doesn't matter who makes them. It's covered under the The Magnuson-Moss Act.

The M/M Act only states that aftermarket OE equivalent parts needs to meet the OE spec for the vehicle. However automakers get around that by designing the car with extremely tight tolerances that require the factory part; the design of the parts and the car are interconnected. Aftermarket companies do not necessarily have these specifications; a lot is assumed when developing the aftermarket parts.

[HYTECH]

every aftermarket oil filter company says they meet the "factory requirments" but the truth is not all of them do.
another example is ATF with penzoil muti vehicle ATF they say it will work on every hyundai, it won't. we had a law suit against us from jiffy lube when we said the fluid is not compatable and fried the trans. then they faxed us "proof" it was a spec sheet that listed every rating that the fluid had. it didn't have the spIII rating and we won the suit.

the bottom line is if you use aftermarket buy quaility parts and hope for the best.

[EclipseMGP]

Ok with all this being said, does anyone have a recommendation? Is the Puralotor enough? The Purlator PruONE? The Mobil 1? I guess what does everyone use?

[WytchDctr]

https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/product_info.php/products_id/347

I got a lot of them. Its really nice not to have to worry about picking one up when its time to do an oil change.

[hyunelan2]

Only OEM for me.

[evan938]

i always used bosch filters...i think i had 4 oil changes done at faslube, then i did it myself...70k miles i never had a problem

[cclngthr]

every aftermarket oil filter company says they meet the "factory requirments" but the truth is not all of them do.
another example is ATF with penzoil muti vehicle ATF they say it will work on every hyundai, it won't. we had a law suit against us from jiffy lube when we said the fluid is not compatable and fried the trans. then they faxed us "proof" it was a spec sheet that listed every rating that the fluid had. it didn't have the spIII rating and we won the suit.

the bottom line is if you use aftermarket buy quaility parts and hope for the best.

Amsoil is the same way..

I worked with a trans shop that rebuilds *some* of the transmissions on our customers vehicles. They told me that Hyundai can use ATF+3 fluid (a Chrysler product) according to their cheat sheet. I gave them notice that we will no longer send any Hyundai to them (never did anyway) because the Hyundai requires specific fluids that are dealer only. I personally see to it when we get a Hyundai in and spec out the work order myself. On the trans fluid swaps, I take the time to do it myself rather than farming that out to the trans shop.

With the M/M Act, that really is not enforceable anymore. Manufacturers have gotten so specific that it is very difficult to have a aftermarket company develop parts with the finite specifications of a particular vehicle in mind.

With my XD, I could use a Wix aftermarket filter. With my new HD, I am sticking with OEM filters because I have seen some issues with the later model Hyundai's and aftermarket oil filters.

[NovaResource]

Ok with all this being said, does anyone have a recommendation? Is the Puralotor enough? The Purlator PruONE? The Mobil 1? I guess what does everyone use?
I use AC, Purolator (either version) or Wix on all my cars, not just my Tiburon. All good quality and I've naver had a problem with them. I do not like Fram.

[FordFasteRR]

Purolator makes one of the best filters i've ever seen.

I have taken them apart and found that they are made with superior engineering even to the oem filter.

In regards to the OP, the filter location in the XD is at a downward angle, therefore the filter is ALWAYS filled with oil when you turn the engine off.

Silly goose.

[silet]

Fram stopped listing the filter for the Elantra. While the filter does has a downward angle, the check valve prevents oil draining back down to the pan when the engine is not running.

[elantra2570]

I used Purolator PremiumPlus L14459 filters on both my Accent and my Elantra and never had any problems.

[Doohickie]

Anyone else heard this one, or is he just playing the dealership game??
Both. There is a Technical Service Bulletin issued by Hyundai stating that engine knock can result from using an improper filter. The problem is that the valving in the Hyundai filter is different than that used in filters for other makes (Honda, I believe), even though the filter bases are the same and the filter can be installed. The result of using a filter designed for one of those other cars instead of a Hyundai is that it can result in oil starvation which causes the engine knock (or worse!) discussed in the TSB.

I believe Fram (at least for a period of time) delisted Hyundai applications because of this issue. If you take your car to an oil change place that uses Fram filters, and they don't have a listing for Hyundai but they know the Honda filter will fit, what do you suppose they will do? I've always used Hyundai OEM filters, but fortunately a dealer locally will do an oil change with the OEM filter for $15.95 (and sells filters at the parts counter for $6). That's a great price.

Some aftermarket filters are fine; I know some people swear by their Purolator filters. But I'm not going to quibble over a buck or two to use a less expensive filter, when the OEM filter isn't *that* expensive. It just makes any potential warranty claims easier to deal with if you've always used OEM; you don't have to worry about whether the filter used had the right valving. But using aftermarket filters does NOT automatically void your warranty.

A little further information:

The Purolator application for Hyundai Elantra is L14459 (http://www.pureoil.com/smartlink/?partnum=L14459). If you click on the SPECIFICATIONS tab from that link, you can see two valve-related specs:

Relief Valve P.S.I.: 12-15
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes

The Relief Valve (also known as a Bypass Valve) allows oil to be pulled through the filter more quickly without going through the filter media at times when very high oil flow is demanded (high rpms). Having no bypass at all, or a higher relief pressure, will result in not enough oil getting to the engine when it is needed.

The Anit-Drain Back Valve is essentially a check valve. When the engine is running, the valve allows flow through the filter in toward the engine. When the engine is shut off, gravity would normally pull the oil away from the engine and down to the oil pan. The Anit-Drain Back Valve prevents that from happening and holds the oil up by the cylinder head, so the next time the engine is started, it runs for a short time with no oil at all. The Anit-Drain Back Valve minimizes the time the engine runs without oil.

I checked the specs for the Honda Civic filter (L14610 (http://www.pureoil.com/smartlink/?partnum=L14610)) and it says the Relieve Valve Pressure is 14-18 psi. So using that won't *automatically* ruin the engine, but you can see where, if you happen to get a filter toward the high side of the Honda spec, the higher pressure required to bypass the element might keep the filter from bypassing as readily (thus, the oil starvation).

[elantra_mann84]

https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/product_info.php/products_id/347

I got a lot of them. Its really nice not to have to worry about picking one up when its time to do an oil change.

i got a question though sorry to jack thread but is 03 filters the same as 06 because i cant find them anywere thanks a ton

-andrew

[Doohickie]

Yes, they are all the same. The Hyundai part number changed (the last digit), but I think the only difference either that they added the Kia trademark to the existing Hyundai (since both companies use the filters and Kia is owned by Hyundai), or maybe that the supplier was changed from one company to another (but the specs were not changed).

[NovaResource]

The Purolator application for Hyundai Elantra is L14459 (http://www.pureoil.com/smartlink/?partnum=L14459). If you click on the SPECIFICATIONS tab from that link, you can see two valve-related specs:

Relief Valve P.S.I.: 12-15
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes

While the L14459 is the part number listed, it is physically larger in diameter and height compared to the OEM filter. Cross-referencing the OEM filter to all Purolator filters brings up part number L14612 which has the same dimentions as the OEM. I use the L14612 on my Tib instead of the L14459. Other specs are similar:

L14459 (http://www.pureoil.com/smartlink/?partnum=L14459)
- Height = 2.95"
- Outer Diameter = 3.15"
- Relief Valve P.S.I. = 12-15
- Anti-Drain Back Valve = Yes
- Threads = M20x1.5

L14612 (http://www.pureoil.com/smartlink/?partnum=L14612)
- Height = 2.93"
- Outer Diameter = 2.69"
- Relief Valve P.S.I. = 14-18
- Anti-Drain Back Valve = Yes
- Threads = M20x1.5

[redbull_ng]

i use K&N..

[Doohickie]

Another nugget of information: I checked the Fram site and they have 5 product lines for which you can look up applications for a given car: High Mileage, Extra Guard, Tough Guard, Extended Guard and Double Guard. Fram only lists a Hyundai Elantra application for the Extra Guard (PH9688). One would assume that it would meet Hyundai specs if it's listed for a Hyundai application. However, if you use a filter from any other Fram product line, you are POSITIVELY NOT using the right filter for the Elantra.

Other specs are similar:

L14459 (http://www.pureoil.com/smartlink/?partnum=L14459)
- Relief Valve P.S.I. = 12-15

L14612 (http://www.pureoil.com/smartlink/?partnum=L14612)
- Relief Valve P.S.I. = 14-18

I think that 14-18 psi spec is what causes the oil starvation. I will see if I can get clarification on this from someone at Hyundai.

[NovaResource]

So far I have not had a problem using the L14612. Granted, the 14-18 psi rating is slightly higher than the 12-15 rating of the L14459 it is mostly the same (14-15 psi overlap). I would like to see what the OEM spec is. Anybody know?

The bypass is there to prevent the filter from exploding from oil pressure. Whe the filter media gets clogged, the oil doesn't flow through as easly and pressure builds. If blocked enough the pressure could build high enough to break (or at least baloon) the filter. The bypass is the limit to that pressure. Once pressure is above that setting, the bypass opens an oil is sent into the engine without going through the filter media. Raising the pressure setting of that valve only raises the pressue it takes to open it. In this case it raised the pressuer by 3 psi max.

Basically, this just forces more oil through the filter media. It's only when the media is clogged will this be a problem. I highly doubt I will have this problem with my schedule of regular oil changes every 5K miles with synthetic oil and a new filter every time. But if you are not as regular, you may have problems.


Edit:

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm....

I may be confusing things with my Tib vs an Elantra.

Purolator says he Elantra and the Tib both share L14459 (larger) filter.

AC Delco says the Tib V6 gets PF1237 (smaller filter) while the Tib I4 and the Elantra get the PF1127 (larger filter).

The AC PF1237 (smaller filter) is the same as the Purolator L14612
The AC PF1127 (larger filter) is the same as the Purolator L14459

So it seems only the V6 in the Tib should get the smaller L14612 filter. All Elantras and I4 Tibs should get the L14459.

I wonder why Purolator only has one filter for the 2 engines (the larger one) while Hyundai and AC Delco have 2 different size filters for the 2 engines?

Sorry for the confusion.

[txdproject]

the oem filter is cheap and does the job...if it was like a crazy price i would use aftermarket but why mess around with them when you the oem is like 7 bucks

[Doohickie]

Yeah, I get mine for $6 and they usually throw in the crush gasket for free.

Some of the posters on ElantraClub have good Hyundai connections; I've asked over there whether they know what the OEM Relief Valve Pressure is. In their oil pressure thread, incidentally, one of the guys (Colin [cclngthr], I think) tested the pressure drop across different filter brands and lo and behold the Fram was the worst.

[txdproject]

Yeah, I get mine for $6 and they usually throw in the crush gasket for free.

Some of the posters on ElantraClub have good Hyundai connections; I've asked over there whether they know what the OEM Relief Valve Pressure is. In their oil pressure thread, incidentally, one of the guys (Colin [cclngthr], I think) tested the pressure drop across different filter brands and lo and behold the Fram was the worst.


this is why screw the aftermarket when the oem is 6 dollars

[silet]

https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/product_info.php/products_id/347

I got a lot of them. Its really nice not to have to worry about picking one up when its time to do an oil change.

I got mine from them too. $57 for 10 filters shipped.

[ricerrx7]

I pay 3.75 for my oil change. I work at a gm dealership and by an ac delco pf1127 for 3.75 and get my oil for free. You don't have to use an oem filter, just a good one.

[elantra_mann84]

so you guys are saying to buy the 06 ones right because im not buying 57 dollars worth of filters for my 03 elantra and have it all ****ed up TIA

[exsailor]

OEM for me. I get all of my servicing on my 04GT done at the dealership. Note: My dealership uses 5w20 oil for all Hyundais 04 and up.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

I've ONLY used OEMs for 67k miles. Forthe price I pay it's stupid not too.

As far as Hyundai is concerned, there is only ONE oil filter (with the exception of the new THeta/Lambda engines). All the Elantras, Tibs, XG's, Sonata (pre-06) accents. . . you name it they are all designed to use the same filter. So if the aftermarket is calling for something different, RUN.

[jalmir]

I've ONLY used OEMs for 67k miles. Forthe price I pay it's stupid not too.

As far as Hyundai is concerned, there is only ONE oil filter (with the exception of the new THeta/Lambda engines). All the Elantras, Tibs, XG's, Sonata (pre-06) accents. . . you name it they are all designed to use the same filter. So if the aftermarket is calling for something different, RUN.

Both true, never thought about that but yeah, some aftermarket filters ARE different depending on the models (Theta/Lambda engines aside) ... I saw 2 different filters depending if you had the Tib or Elantra (2.0l) but I don't remember the filter brand ... I use Hyundai filters anyway! :D

[NovaResource]

As far as Hyundai is concerned, there is only ONE oil filter (with the exception of the new THeta/Lambda engines). All the Elantras, Tibs, XG's, Sonata (pre-06) accents. . . you name it they are all designed to use the same filter. So if the aftermarket is calling for something different, RUN.

Not so. My Tib owners manual lists 2 different filters for V6 vs I4. The I4 filter is physically larger.

[jalmir]

Well if your Tib is 04 it's normal, it's because the I4 is CVVT, thus it's the Theta engine ...

[mtlelantra]

Well if your Tib is 04 it's normal, it's because the I4 is CVVT, thus it's the Theta engine ...
Huh?? 2.0 L I4 CVVT is still a beta2... Theta is the 2.4L I4 in the new sonata, never in a tib. V6 is the Delta.

[NovaResource]

Yep, the Tib comes with either the Delta V6 or the Beta I4 (identical to the one in the Elantra).

[jalmir]

sorry, messed up my engine knowledge!

lolll

never mind what I said! :D ... I'll go get some sleep, maybe a week or two, I need it! ha!