My Swap project

[NY2002ElantraGT]

well the money gods have blessed me with a ton of refund money. First the smaller amount, im getting $800 from uncle sam for my tax refund. Then my school is giving me a tuition refund (registured full time now part time and took a big student loan out) for a little over $4k. hmmmmm let me think, wheres this money going? haha

Telly (silet) has been so nice to offer me some body parts to replace damaged body parts on my car, as well as his motor from his scrapped 02 GT at a very reasonable price... THANKS TELLY

Im going to use that motor as my project and home to have it in my car by the end of May.

Whats going on that motor you ask? well thats a good question, Most likely the Alpine stage 1 intercooled turbo. im hoping to get the money before march 2nd so i can buy the turbo while its on sale. otherwise i may by the stage 0 non intercooled and upgrade later. im also going to Port and pollish the IM and possibly paint it myself. while the motor is out, i'll upgrade to a stage 2 clutch.

This project will start in a couple of weeks. i got one check for $1,200 already and another big one friday hopefully. not sure when my tax return will come in, but its not really needed for this.

i will take pics of everything i do and of course take pics cuz i know everyone loves posts with pictures! haha wish me luck and anyone in the area who wants to lend a hand when i start getting down and dirty and more then welcome to assist.

Felix has been a great source of info and we'll be swaping a couple of parts once i get the motor.

[joph09]

haha wish me luck
http://www.lolcars.com/images/good-luck-road-sign.jpg

[NY2002ElantraGT]

LMAO! thanks

[toymachine566]

good luck :)

any plans on trannsmission upgrades? (assuming you're auto, if not) :

any plans on what clutch you'll be using? (assuming you're manual) :D

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Im 5spd..... clutch will go on when i pull the motor. i think it says that in the first post, i'll go check now though..............


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woops nope doesnt say it, i'll edit it now. thanks for the reminder.

[TSmooth8403]

Good Luck my friend! :thumbsup: Man I miss college refund checks.

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Good Luck my friend! :thumbsup: Man I miss college refund checks.

Hell yea, my refunds used to go to snowboard trips out west, but im done with that, a turbo is so much better! haha, this is by far the most amount of a refund i've ever gotten. i love my financial aid advisor! she rocks my socks!:bowdown:

[NY2002ElantraGT]

im actually starting to lean more towards the supercharger now..... im just worried about the whole non cooled aspect. i dont want to be fixing **** every week, i think the supercharger will be more reliable, and all my previous mods wont be worthless. and i know i wont get the #'s you get from the turbo, but im starting to get this good feeling about the supercharger. like upgrades will soon be out or something.

[05xd]

yea i thought about the s/c too then i was like WTF am i thinking lol
its up to you though.non intercooled is good to 9 psi from what i have heard.i ran mine for like 3 months with no problems.either way,you will notice a nice difference in power

[Cypher]

think about it this way: you're going to spend pretty much the same amount of money on each kit. might as well get the best out of it. and i STILL stand behind this: if you treat your car fine then you won't lose reliability.

[KeWLKaT]

yeah but i STILL stand beside this:

FI = PROJECT

Your car becomes a PROJECT, not a daily driver "wake up in the morning and go to work safe and sound" thing.

[my01elantra]

Yeah if you want reliabilty go with the supercharger, I have the alpine kit and while everything works great just like any car that is not boosted from the factory things tend to break and go wrong so unless you have plenty of $$ to drop into your car I wouldnt go turbo. Stay with the supercharger and keep alot of $$ in your pocket, thats just my .02. Hope that helps

[NY2002ElantraGT]

well the gains are alot more with the turbo, i just think im gonna end up spending alot more. I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO! i just emailed alpine to see if they will be offering an intercooler soon. they used it on the 500hp project 2.0L motor.

[Cypher]

yeah but i STILL stand beside this:

FI = PROJECT

Your car becomes a PROJECT, not a daily driver "wake up in the morning and go to work safe and sound" thing.

we'll see felix;)

[KeWLKaT]

alright man.

Don't listen to me, toymachine, and my01elantra who basically agree on this aswell as EVERY other person out there who has done it.

You talk talk talk man but once you get there you will know what I'm talking about. We'll see if your new elantra with the built turbo engine is going to be used daily AND in winter too (which, in my case, is what killed my setup).

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Felix i dont know what happened to me today, i am really leaning toward the SC. i'll still send you that oil pan if you want. i think the supercharger would be a better set up for me. i hope i dont regret not getting a turbo.

[KeWLKaT]

cool, i might just buy the pan off of you though i think i will stick with the tapped pan but change my setup

[NY2002ElantraGT]

i wont need the tapped Pan so i'll sell it to yo for like $50

[joph09]

ever thought of getting the seoulfulracing stage 1 turbo kit, looks promising and you'll be the first one on here to get it
http://www.kdmstuff.com/shop/step1.php?number=596

- SFR's base bolt-on turbo kit Stage1 and Stage1-Super
- Suitable applications for people who's looking for greater power and overall performance

Stage 1 kit will produce about
Manual tranny (180-190whp,24kg.m(173lb.ft)-26kg.m(188lb.ft))and Auto tranny (170-180whp,22kg.m(159lb.ft)-24kg.m(173lb.ft)) for 2.0
Manual tranny (160whp-180whp,19kg.m(138lb.ft)-21kg.m(152lb.ft)) and Auto tranny (130whp-150whp,17kg.m(123lb.ft)-19kg.m(138lb.ft)) for 1.6 engines @ internal waste set of 0.4bar(6psi)depends on the octane rate and other modifications
- IHI turbo has an internal wastegate and you will be able to push 0.4bar
- Our kit will not work with 2005+ F/L Auto tranny New Tiburons
- Dyno proven and tested by SFR
- Our kit is also designed for easy and less cost upgrade in the future when you are looking for more power

Stage 1 kit components
- IHI turbo (Super fast spool up time, no lag)
- Spark plugs NGK 9
- 2.5 bar MAP sensor
- 290cc Injectors
- Blow Off valve
- Turbo piping set
- All necessary silicone hoses, vacumme hoses and clamps
- Intercooler
- Inline hose (Head->Turbo) and Outline hose (Turbo->Oilpan)
- Turbo Manifold
- Turbo diffusor and downpipe
- Clutch metal cover and pressure plate (opitonal for Manual tranny)
- ECU convertor and crank degress sensor (1.6 Alpha engine only)
- SFR remapped ECU
- Tranny oil cooler(Auto tranny only)

Stage 1-Super kit will produce about
Manual tranny (240-250whp,30kg.m(217lb.ft)-33kg.m(238lb.ft))and Auto tranny (180-195whp,25kg.m(180lb.ft)-27kg.m(195lb.ft)) for 2.0
Manual tranny (180whp-200whp,21kg.m(152lb.ft)-23kg.m(166lb.ft)) and Auto tranny (165whp-175whp,18kg.m(130lb.ft)-21kg.m(150lb.ft)) for 1.6 engines @ internal waste set of 0.8bar(11-12psi)depends on the octane rate and other modifications

Stage 1-Super kit optional components
- Stronger 0.8bar internal wastegate
- Turbo 8.5:1 Low compression gasket
- Larger SIEMENS 630cc injectors
- Walbro 255 fuel pump

- SFR turbo kit is only consist of proven and high quality parts
- Every parts are brand new
- We will allow customers to include or exclude some of parts and work with prices
- Our kit is bolt-on, so anybody with right tools and knowledge can install it (However, we still recommend you to have an expert to install the kit)
- Only few modifications are needed to install the whole kit (welding a connector for oil line and removing the coolant resorvoir)
- Our kit is designed for Tiburons and used by many shops in Korea so fitment/quality is garanteed!
- Our turbo kits are not intended for street use, so use it at your own risk
- 2.5 or 3 inch piping for exhaust is recommened to have maxium power output and better exhaust flow
- We will also include installation guide and tips upon request
- Our kit only used the best quality products, so prices could be slightly higher. However, you will run into less trouble and get better performance output
- Our kit contains of everything that you need to complete the turbo set up including powertrain upgrade (Stock clutch will not be able to handle the power for manual tranny cars.. You will run into problems and cost you more money in the future, so changing a clutch set is recommended)
- Corecharge for ECU is needed if you want to keep your stock ECU. If you want to send your ECU to us, please send it to our address shown on the bottom
- Shipped by Korea post regular mail with tracking #

[NY2002ElantraGT]

I think TSMOOTHE has the Soulfulracing turbo! hes got issues as well

im goin Supercharger! my mind is made up!

[KeWLKaT]

ok have fun!!! :)

[NY2002ElantraGT]

I sent this email to Alpine Developments:

I've been trying to decide on whether or not i want to
buy the Turbo or the Supercharger. Today im leaning alot more towards the
supercharger. my question is this. i know you the 500hp 2.0L project you
guys have on there the supercharger is aqua cooled. will you be putting one
into production. im just nervious boosting 8psi without an intercooler.
thanks for your time, look forward to your reply.

And got this email as a reply:

Dear Justin,

Good day to you and thank you for the email.

The 2.0 Supercharger kit has been in production for over 6 years now, we
have had no problems. The stock motor is easily capable of 8psi, you could
even push it up to 12psi and still be safe, but we recommend 8psi, this is
the same as our entry level turbo kit.

We will be releasing a intercooler upgrade in the future, purely to enable
more horsepower to be made, and not as a precaution for the motor. The
intercooler will obviously just create a colder charge and make more power.
This will be offered as an upgrade to the existing supercharger kit. When
this will be released I cannot tell you.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Kind Regards
Richard Grace
Director of Marking and Sales


sounds promising:D

[KeWLKaT]

let me tell you this much

richard grace.... is a bit disconnected from the company i find


talk to john.


CALL THEM

[KeWLKaT]

btw if the manifold hasnt come out in 6 years what tells you its gonna come out soon AHAHAHA

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Thanks for the advice felix. i will definately call before i order.

[KeWLKaT]

no problem man i have called sooooo many times over there to bother john i even had his personal cell phone number at some point and bothered him on a weekend when he was on a picnic lol

[NY2002ElantraGT]

haha, hes good about helpin you out? thats cool. i've emailed them a million quesitons this week and feel like im bothering them, but i dont care, i wanna get this right the first time!

[KeWLKaT]

heheheh :)

[Keyan]

let me tell you this much

richard grace.... is a bit disconnected from the company i find


talk to john.




I agree. When I emailed alpine for a quote for the "stage one kit minus charge piping and decompression plate" John sent me a quote for $2350, and 6 hours later I got a email from richard quoting me $2550 and he wanted my address so he could ship it out!


So yeah. I'll talk to john thank you.

[Fox]

Good luck for the swap, i swapped my 01 gls motor for a 02 gt one, took me 2 weeks to get everything up right. And good choice on the SC

[SWortham]

alright man.

Don't listen to me, toymachine, and my01elantra who basically agree on this aswell as EVERY other person out there who has done it.

You talk talk talk man but once you get there you will know what I'm talking about. We'll see if your new elantra with the built turbo engine is going to be used daily AND in winter too (which, in my case, is what killed my setup).
I completely agree. I've seen this happen time and time again. If you want a turbo'd car that makes a good daily driver then buy a WRX. ;)

As long as you know before going into it that your car will become a project from this day forward, and you're OK with that... then go for it.

[slow 2K2GT]

yes it is a project and a headache all at the same time. Good luck!

[NY2002ElantraGT]

as far as motor mounts go, does it make a difference if i get the fillers or is there much difference to buying the ones with the new brackets?

poly mounts filler
http://www.kdmstuff.com/shop/step1.php?number=544

Poly mounts with bracket
http://www.kdmstuff.com/shop/step1.php?number=547

its a $50 difference

[felex]

as far as motor mounts go, does it make a difference if i get the fillers or is there much difference to buying the ones with the new brackets?

poly mounts filler
http://www.kdmstuff.com/shop/step1.php?number=544

Poly mounts with bracket
http://www.kdmstuff.com/shop/step1.php?number=547

its a $50 difference for $50. diff get the ones with the brackets. I don't know what possessed me to get them. I'm never going forced induction on this car. saving for a GTI

[slow 2K2GT]

Yes get the brackets incase you ever want to go back to stock mounts. If you dont get them then you will have to hack your stock ones to hell and have a machine shop press the inserts in.

[TSmooth8403]

I think TSMOOTHE has the Soulfulracing turbo! hes got issues as well

im goin Supercharger! my mind is made up!

There is NOTHING on my car from soulfulracing! Not saying that's they make bad stuff but nothing on my vehicle is from them. Their kit sounds promising but whatever floats ur boat

[NY2002ElantraGT]

do you have the shark racing Turbo?

[toymachine566]

he did, now he's custom I believe

[TSmooth8403]

look at sig I don't think any kits come with a t3/t04e.....

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Just got the other tuittionn refund check! YAY!

now i have a total of about $8,000 plus another $800 tax return comin my way. now im not spending all of this on the car, im trying to keep it around $5,000 for everything, but we'll see.

[Munky]

Justin, have I mentioned that you're my bestest friend in the whole wide world? :D

[NY2002ElantraGT]

ummmmm, if your my bestest friend you'll have to fight the credit card companies for my money! haha

[Munky]

Ptsh. There's always a catch...

[KeWLKaT]

rofl

u guys are the best

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Picked up the motor today from Ismael (tonymachine) in PA. not a bad drive. 2 and a half hours each way.

its more than i expected. Intake Manifold, Exhaust Manifold, even the plugs and wires were attached! (not that i would use them). here are pics of it in my dads Durango! it took 4 of us to lift it in there on the wooden palet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/SurferJ4/ElantraGT%20Pics/IMG_0456.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/SurferJ4/ElantraGT%20Pics/IMG_0457.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/SurferJ4/ElantraGT%20Pics/IMG_0458.jpg

[KeWLKaT]

yo so how much for intake manifold and oil pan shipped to me?

:)

[NY2002ElantraGT]

let me get them off the car and get a weight them to get shipping prices. i dont know how much shipping would be.

ps Felix, the trottle cable is shot so im gonna scrap the TB

[only1db]

^ you also had the one guy who was looking for an exhaust manifold and down pipe...you might want ot look for his post and let him know you have extra...

the hardest part about that engine was getting off the truck with out a forklift!! we used four metal pipes and slid it down from the trailer...

[NY2002ElantraGT]

yea he PMed me about it. i still have my old one sitting in my basement. im thinking about leaving this one on to get through inspection easier.

it wasnt too bad getting it in my dads Durango. it took 4 of us to lift, but really want too bad. and it fit in the back without even putting the seats down. its sooooooooooooo drity, if i had the man power, i would take it out of my dads car tonight and pressure wash the sh!t out of it!

[only1db]

yeah it is a little dusty...still in great condition though...

[NY2002ElantraGT]

i hope so.... if everything works out im gonna try and come to the Allentown meet

[only1db]

yeah you most definetly should...and get some of the other long island crew!! you guys could caravan...

that meet is getting big...

[ilanpro]

If you come to the Meet bring the exhaust manifold with you I will buy it

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Theres already someone who wants it, but i have 2 now, so if i come (probably wont be able to get off for it) i'll bring it.

[joph09]

did you decide yet if you're going to wait for the nextgenmotorsports s/c kit to come out for the I4? or are you just going to go ahead with alpines?

[NY2002ElantraGT]

im gonna wait! i wanna get my car running perfect, fix some little things here and there, and then be completely ready for the NGM! cant wait. plus i start working alot more 1st week of may, bringing in more consistant income.

Dropped my car off last night and the motor off this mornin, hoping to have it back by friday! then the door, fenders and seat should go in friday!

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Just bought the South Bend Clutch TZ series for $295 shipped. it is rated at 260 WTQ. didnt get the flywheel for it cuz they wanted $400+. found it on ebay for $320. YAY! they're gonna ship it out and it will be here friday which is fine. im picking my car back up today and we're gonna hold the swap off till next monday!

[joph09]

that'll be tight if you get the s/c from ngm. I think it'll be the most promising mod to be developed for the beta. I'm hoping T.C's tests w/ the beta work for the mp62 and that our engine's make enough power for the blower to push enough air

[KeWLKaT]

I love it when people just use technical terms...

Anyways I'm also eager about the kit, as soon as the son of a ***** is out and proves itself on top of everything else out there, I'm getting it and selling the turbo for dirt cheap.

[toymachine566]

I love it when people just use technical terms...

Anyways I'm also eager about the kit, as soon as the son of a ***** is out and proves itself on top of everything else out there, I'm getting it and selling the turbo for dirt cheap.

x2..........

[only1db]

^ what??? did i miss something??

[NY2002ElantraGT]

^ what??? did i miss something??

i guess so, what are you referring to? the NGM supercharger?




Just ordered the Fidanza 7.5lb flywheel and Ark racing pulleys. underdrive and accessory! yay! spend money spend money spend money!

[toymachine566]

^ what??? did i miss something??

by the time the ngm comes out, I will be looking to do something different (granted it's a long ways away). And once it has been tested, on someone elses car, It's not much fun being the guineapig ;). If it's seems worthwile I will switch, to see what both sides are like :)

[NY2002ElantraGT]

I'll be the Guineapig! haha hes got someone close to him doing the testing so by the time its in production i'll have more than enough saved up.

[only1db]

by the time the ngm comes out, I will be looking to do something different (granted it's a long ways away). And once it has been tested, on someone elses car, It's not much fun being the guineapig ;). If it's seems worthwile I will switch, to see what both sides are like :)

trust me...its like cheating to see what another person is going to be like...just to find out that he grass was greenier on yourside to begin with but your left with nothing...

trust me...after the engine is in and that 16t is in there...you wont look back!:eek:

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Dropped the car off today for the motor swap! its officially started! yay. should have it back friday! also added a cat and had my muffler tucked up and fixed. it was originally welded by my drunk and stoned friend, so wasnt tip top! now looks and sounds sick!

pulleys came in today, i'll take pics in a few. gotta go get a couple of belts. engine almost ready to come out!

[Ugzz]

oh man, your going through with it.. AWESOME!!! good luck and plz keep up with the pics :) if nothing else i can live vicariously through others mods.. lol

[NY2002ElantraGT]

pics will be hard, im getting most of my updates via phone. im driving my girlfriends car today to drop off the pulleys and belts, i'll try and snag a pic. but after today, i wont be back until its done. it sucks i know, i want pics too, but school is my priority right now.

Just got these today
Ark Speed Racing Pulley Set! $250 through CrookedH.com

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/SurferJ4/ElantraGT%20Pics/pulley1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/SurferJ4/ElantraGT%20Pics/pulley.jpg

[evan938]

ha. i was gonna ask you to take a pic of the P/S pulley from the side to make sure you got a ribbed pulley. seems like someone was sending out v-belt pulleys for p/s and ribbed for the others...obx maybe?

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Good News and Bad news:

Good News- the Motor Swap is done!

Bad News - The mechanic called me at 5pm yesterday when i was at work in the basment for hours with no reception. so i didnt find out it was done until 11pm. now i cant pick it up unitl monday!


that really sucks!

[BlueRush]

YOU SUCK! Just kidding That does blow though. Did he say if it was running good and every thing? Good luck man.

[NY2002ElantraGT]

He took it on the road and said it was running great. now i gotta wait for my sensors to get some miles on them to see if i have a CEL from the o2 sensor

[Fox]

Good luck, i had no problem with my swap except one thing, the clutch began to slip, but it wasn't before the swap. No cel at all

[NY2002ElantraGT]

well i upgraded the clutch and flywheel. I went with a SouthBend Clutch rated at 260wtq, and a 7.5lbs fidanza flywheel, so im not worried about the clutch slipping, im just hoping my o2 simulator works so i can pass inspection

[toymachine566]

awsome, glad to hear......sucks you have to wait til Monday. I know the waiting feeling all too well, I've gotta hold off until tomorrow to start my swap project :(

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Thanks Ismael, i cant wait to drive it around. your doing your swap yourself, so good luck... if something is messed up on mine i can just bring it back, punch my mechanic in the face and have him fix it! haha im really gonna try and make that allentown meet, we'll see. good luck on your swap

[KeWLKaT]

Nice!

So how long till I get a quote for the intake manifold, oil pan, and headlights? :)

[NY2002ElantraGT]

haha, dam felix i dont even have my car yet. when i get my car, the oil pan the the IM will be comin with it! i should have a quote for you on tuesday. The headlights i'll take pics tonight. They are boxed and packed up nice and safe (used same packing my chrome lights came in).

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Just picked my car up! thank god its all over. $950 for the motor swap and for the clutch/flywheel install .... not bad considering all the labor that went into my old engine for free. The new Southbend clutch and 7.5 lbs fidanza flywheel are a great combo. i recomend it to everyone who needs a new clutch. i paid about $600 for both and it really grabs great. its a low catch and there isnt much play but it makes my car feel faster. im gonna run outside to wash it up and detail the enigine bay so i can post pics. honestly this is the best my car has ever run!

next will be new rotors and pads, then installing the OEM High Spoiler and IM Spacer. after that will hopefully be the supercharger.

[robs02elantra]

where did you pick up the southbend clutch from?

[Munky]

where did you pick up the southbend clutch from?

http://www.dxdracingclutches.com/home.html

I think he called them, though.

[NY2002ElantraGT]

http://www.dxdracingclutches.com/home.html

I got the TZ series for the 96-06 Tib. do what i did and call and order over the phone. their customer service is great and they double check to make sure you get the right clutch. i paid $290 shipped! and its rated at 260 wtq

[robs02elantra]

well then, let us know how the clutch goes...by the time I'm ready for my next one, you'll have put a bunch of miles on yours and will be able to give a solid review!

[NY2002ElantraGT]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you got it! so far (50 miles) i love it! haha

DAMN YOU MUNKY! you beat me to the punch. your actually the one who gave me the link in the first place, but yea definately call.