Thinking about this turbo :D

[toymachine566]

well, I put some more oil into the car and got it started. It had some ticking when we revved it, so Derek took it for a small test drive and............................easy come easy go :D. This time the engine's done for good, and from what Derek is explaining to me the turbo is done as well. So upgrading seems like the best way to go since I cant find any 13g or 15t replacements at the moment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320024825978&rd=1&rd=1

couple questions, mainly for dave.

Would this be able to bolt up to my alpine manifold?

would the 290cc injectors with the alpine 5th injector be sufficient for my fueling at 14.7 psi?

Do you guys think the d/p from the alpine kit bolt up?

I'm waiting to hear back from Dave to see if alpine still carries the 15t or an equivalent. If not, then I'll just go a step up and get this one.

[KeWLKaT]

how can derek know you turbo is toast?

not to be an *** but sometimes he talks.... ;)

Even john at alpine which happen to SPECIALIZE in FI needs to dismantle the turbo to tell me if its really toast or not

**** it looks like itll bolt right up!!!!!

[Cypher]

describe this ticking a bit more.

as for the turbo: it'll fit. it has the t25 flange which if i'm not mistaken is what the gt28rs has and it bolts up to the alpine manifold.

edit: geez why not just say one bar? lol. and for those who have the balls to do it ;)

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38797

how to dismantle a t/c and determine if its done or not!

[KeWLKaT]

dude... it doesnt take balls.... ive taken a TC apart before at school.


i just didnt want to take mine apart and put the warranty in jeopardy.

if they end up not warranting it im rebuilding my turbo myself.

[toymachine566]

it wouldnt boost past 2psi......From the way he described the drive (I stayed at home with the kid) it just kept whining, but not creating anymore boost.

The ticking was not noticeable while idling, but when I revved it from the throttle body you could hear it, the more I revved the faster it got. The best I could desribe it like something just rattling uner the valve cover:confused:

Also, I said 14.7 psi because that is the terminology I prefer :tongue:

Also, another question:

Will the Unichip be able to get re-flashedto accomodate this turbo?

[xxxmonoxidechil]

^^

a leaky intercooler pipe could have caused the same thing your explaining with not getting any boost.

buuut. from what you explain, i think your manifold is lose. when that happens, it sounds ALOT like a tick coming from your motor, like a collapsed valve or so on. plus then you wouldnt be getting **** for boost cause air is lazy, it takes the easiest route it can. if it has a direct route before the turbo, it will take it, since its easier then spinning the turbine.

[toymachine566]

but the car died and now i wont start. We had to pull it home with another SUV we had. luckily it was still in the community, even had a security guard escort :D

[05xd]

Thats not cool about your motor man.Im kinda digging that turbo.Not a bad price I suppose

[slow 2K2GT]

air is lazy

I love it, that just made my day!!!

[only1db]

you guys are killing...

kewlkat just because i dont have a turbo of my own does not mean i dont know what a blown turbo sounds like....i drove a 96 9000 saab with a blown turbo and this was the same sound...kewlkat...maybe we should send you the turbo...you tell me if its blown...

it whirrred....i dont know how i explain it...but it was loud and the noise became louder while the RPM's increased...

the noise was probably a rod or the rod bearing...we had an SVX motor at the shop that made the same sound...it is more than likely that...either way its done!

[KeWLKaT]

i drove a 96 9000 saab with a blown turbo

ya dude I remember that car, it was when you went on a trip, it was a rental :abovelol:

this dog has a good memory :D

[toymachine566]

LOL Derek and Felix. I'm such a newbie, or I just have a bad memory :)

How bout these :D vvvvvvv

would the 290cc injectors with the alpine 5th injector be sufficient for my fueling at 14.7 psi?

Do you guys think the d/p from the alpine kit bolt up?

Will the Unichip be able to get re-flashed to accomodate this turbo? (if alpine does not carry this particular one)

[only1db]

ya dude I remember that car, it was when you went on a trip, it was a rental :abovelol:

this dog has a good memory :D

well kinda...i was in cancun and it was my uncles car...so your 50% hahah

the charge pipe literally blew off and i had to go the home depot in cancun to get a hose clap!! let me tell you how fun that was!! anyway...the turbo is done...trust me...and its not from an exhaust leak

[CornbreadXD]

thats the sound my the turbo on my daytona made before it went, i really don't chime in on the FI posts but i've had an experience with a blown turbo myself.

[wazntme]

you went to home depot to get the clap? ;-) all in good fun lol

with all the problems with people getting turbo's i'm kinda nervus to get one now

[CornbreadXD]

yeah I am too, i'm starting to lean towards a ZEX kit.

[toymachine566]

so far, I belive my turbo went poop because my engine went poop because I was a poop-head and didnt secure my drain line. Turbo is fun when done right, but with all my shortcuts I'm paying for it in the long run.

[yamaha]

well, I put some more oil into the car and got it started. It had some ticking when we revved it, so Derek took it for a small test drive and............................easy come easy go :D. This time the engine's done for good, and from what Derek is explaining to me the turbo is done as well. So upgrading seems like the best way to go since I cant find any 13g or 15t replacements at the moment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320024825978&rd=1&rd=1

couple questions, mainly for dave.

Would this be able to bolt up to my alpine manifold?

would the 290cc injectors with the alpine 5th injector be sufficient for my fueling at 14.7 psi?

Do you guys think the d/p from the alpine kit bolt up?

I'm waiting to hear back from Dave to see if alpine still carries the 15t or an equivalent. If not, then I'll just go a step up and get this one.

Why not get a big 16g?

That manifold in the ebay link SHOULD bolt up. There was a thread somewhere on RD I will find for you that states what turbo's will bolt up to the Alpine manifold.

290cc injectors should be fine as long as they are spliced in to work with the unichip.

No clue on the downpipe flange bolting up.

[only1db]

^ the unichip can control all five injectors??

i thought perhaps that the cpu would read the same amount of air (with the turbo, with not turbo the cpu would lean out the 290's) and keep firing away but because they are bigger injectors you will get more fuel?? is that not the case?

[Cypher]

thats cool felix but i don't feel that many people would be willing to dismantle a TC. some get nervous with things like that.

if a bearing is spun you'd probably have rod knock which would be described as a "Thunking" sound.

[toymachine566]

Why not get a big 16g?

That manifold in the ebay link SHOULD bolt up. There was a thread somewhere on RD I will find for you that states what turbo's will bolt up to the Alpine manifold.

290cc injectors should be fine as long as they are spliced in to work with the unichip.

No clue on the downpipe flange bolting up.

16g? how much difference is there between the two? I couldnt find any besides what is on ebay. I like this 16t, I wonder how much of a difference, both power and lag-wise, this turbo would be from the 13g

and the 290's, you mean getting a re-flash from alpine for them, right? I am planning on getting the re-flash but am waiting to see what turbos alpine can give me a tune for.

also as for the injectors, is there a specific year sonata to get from? I know it's the 2.4L but after my experience with getting the wrong engine I just want to triple check to make sure I get the right ones like:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120005863863&rd=1,1

[Rystibby04]

dude u are having alotta bad luck, hope it gets better...we talked about this u should do plan B now..seriously..

[Cypher]

get the turbo off the srt-4. they use a 16g if i'm not mistaken and should be able to get gotten for pretty cheap.

[only1db]

yeah but this 16t will utilize already existing pipe work...there would be no need to screw around with trying to make new pipes as it will fit hte flange and the cool side outlet is facing up wards...(like the 13g)...

toy like i said...the lag my be a little more but that might be a good thing for 1st and 2nd gear...but man when it boosts...it will be alot quicker, run more efficient (cooler temps= more power), and will be better equipt to handle the higher boost pressures (longevity)

me personally...i like it

[toymachine566]

yeah me too, I just want to make sure alpine can reflash me for this one :)

[seguin22]

TOy if your old turbo is toast call dave and he will tell you a place to send it to they can turn your blown 13g into a hybrid 16g for cheaper then buying a new turbocharger! THey switch the internals and everything and they are reasonable! Just call Dave.

[toymachine566]

hmmm, really? what's the turnaround time on something like that? sounds like an even better way to go :). Thanks seguin, I'll pm Dave

[05xd]

TOy if your old turbo is toast call dave and he will tell you a place to send it to they can turn your blown 13g into a hybrid 16g for cheaper then buying a new turbocharger! THey switch the internals and everything and they are reasonable! Just call Dave.

That sounds like a good idea....me needs more info on this

[Cypher]

the problem with that aj is that you still have the 13g compressor housing which means it may restrict things. personally i'd get the 16t or g or whatever.

[only1db]

^ ditto...

not to mention that your still outside (sort of) the efficiency range...your still going to create heat...

a bigger turbo at the same psi will yeild bigger (more reliable, believe it or not) numbers

[toymachine566]

Yeah, I starting thinking the same thing while we spoke. I guess my only hangup on picking this up is the uni-chip re-flash. Hopefully I'll know tomorrow

[Cypher]

you could reflash the unichip and pick up a MAfterburner to control the primaries if you upgrade them. that way if alpines tune isn't spot on you can adjust it.

[only1db]

Yeah, I starting thinking the same thing while we spoke. I guess my only hangup on picking this up is the uni-chip re-flash. Hopefully I'll know tomorrow

if they can reflash for it...then i say get it...but like always its your cash...hahaah

let me know...i'm probably just as excited as you are...pretty sad uh?? o well..

we can do the motor while the unichip is away...so hopefully all we will have to do is plug the unichip in and start it up....

another thing...i know its more...but did you consider doing the wideband...just to make sure there are no leaning problems again?? i'm sure i could get hans to put in the extra bung.

[toymachine566]

you could reflash the unichip and pick up a MAfterburner to control the primaries if you upgrade them. that way if alpines tune isn't spot on you can adjust it.

Are the Mafterburners compatible with the i4's though? I thought that was just a v6 thing

Derek, Yeah wideband is on my up and coming "grocery list" but between the injectors, turbo, and motor I am going to be waiting a litlle while to get back on my feet.

[only1db]

yea h i hear ya...but man i wouldnt drive it if you start getting lean codes again...but by the way that maf was looking...that was probably the problem...that thing looked like baby poop!

[Cypher]

mafterburner works on pretty much any car with a maf sensor... they offer it for eclipses and stuff i believe if you check their website.

[only1db]

^ hear i go again...but how does that work?? or could you post up a link??

[KeWLKaT]

question is does the MF work well on OUR ecu's? (like, we know that the safc doesnt work well, etc etc)

[yamaha]

^ the unichip can control all five injectors??

i thought perhaps that the cpu would read the same amount of air (with the turbo, with not turbo the cpu would lean out the 290's) and keep firing away but because they are bigger injectors you will get more fuel?? is that not the case?

There was a thread awhile back that stated the unichip can indeed control primary and the secendary injectors. Guess it's time to find that thread.

[KeWLKaT]

it can.... guys.... the kit mahonroy has CAME with 5 injectors LOL

[only1db]

hahah.

so that anwers that question...

damn it toy...you better have been on the phone with somebody from alpine today!!

[my01elantra]

Is it just me or do these Mitshi 13g's have issues/blow up alot I meen myself, Kewlkat, Toy and who knows who else

[bmxdad]

You have a 13G? If the turbo is toast, you willing to part with the actuator?

[KeWLKaT]

Is it just me or do these Mitshi 13g's have issues/blow up alot I meen myself, Kewlkat, Toy and who knows who else

hah thats what i told john the other day he wouldnt beleive me u need to give him a call

[my01elantra]

No I rebuild mine, I already talked to John he siad he has never really heard of any issues with the 13g's. I was going to send mine back too but I had the things to rebuild it so I just rebuilt it myself and saved myself the time.

[Cypher]

john (05xd) is planning on using the mafterburner. i don't see why it won't work

[toymachine566]

just talked to john, he said the reflash wouldnt be a problem. They reflash is based mainly on the boost pressure I will be running, not so much on the specific turbo itself. So looks like I will be buying the 16t tonight :D

[only1db]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :multiples :multiples :multiples :multiples :multiples :luvlove:


time to get that motor in and do some serious driving!! haahh

:drive: i'll take you down the hill...:pukeface:

dude no :phone:

i'm dissapointed...:tongue:

[toymachine566]

Ordered the turbo tonight :D. Spoke with John about my unichip re-flash tonight :D. Ordered 290cc Fuel Injectors last night :D.

Now all thats left is picking up my new motor (hopefully this weekend :D )

Hopefully this one will run a little longer ;)

You have a 13G? If the turbo is toast, you willing to part with the actuator?

I was thinking about selling the turbo if someone wanted to buy a turbo for real cheap and have a rebuild project.

We'll see once the new turbo arrives and the old turbo is out of the car

[Cypher]

man i HAVE to make it up to help with this now.

[only1db]

^hahaha...sure do!!

i think the key to making run correctly is to take toy out of the equation...ahahh


jfwy

[toymachine566]

lol, but to keep it runnning you'd have to take my right foot and I'm not about to give that up anytime soon :D

Derek, I'll call you later. gotta go over a couple things with you. (you gonna be free Saturday?)

[yamaha]

I may forsee a roadtrip in my future.

[Keyan]

ish, you should really consider getting the unichip custom tuned. there is a speed shop just down the road from me that puts your car up on the dyno, plugs their laptop into the unichip and tunes it via the A/F and the HP/TQ.

A re-flash is just a general flash....get it custom tuned for your car dude !

[Cypher]

they tune it via the hp/tq? interestingly phrased but i do agree none the less. f*** general flashes. this is why i curse "chips" that people insist on buying for cars, every car is different because of age, miles, treatment, mods, etc. get it set up right for ur car the first time and call it done.

[Keyan]

they tune it via the hp/tq? interestingly phrased but i do agree none the less. f*** general flashes. this is why i curse "chips" that people insist on buying for cars, every car is different because of age, miles, treatment, mods, etc. get it set up right for ur car the first time and call it done.

What they do is Tune it for the correct A/F to get the most Hp/Tq...then they slowly adjust the spark timing until the torque starts to drop off...then they pull the timing back a couple degrees (to bring the torque back up and into the "safe range") and you have your tune!

So they tune it via A/F and HP/TQ. :)

http://www.brucesspeed.com/index.htm

That is their website.... they don't advertise the unichip tuning but they do it.

[only1db]

that sounds like a good idea...we could do a before and after....with the general and then the specific...

ish...i'm good to go as usual...just give me a buzz!!

dude that little garage is going to get small...quick...

[toymachine566]

ish, you should really consider getting the unichip custom tuned. there is a speed shop just down the road from me that puts your car up on the dyno, plugs their laptop into the unichip and tunes it via the A/F and the HP/TQ.

A re-flash is just a general flash....get it custom tuned for your car dude !

dude.......have you been there before? I'm gonna get the reflash, just for driveability, But if you know where they are and maybe also how much they charge for dynotime, I would definitely make the drive to you. Let me know, I would love to have a custom tune. I'm not downtalking Alpine by any means but I would feel a little safer with a custom tune also. send me a pm sometime ( I still have some time ;) )

BTW, Ordered my injectors Sunday, and they are already here (from Seoul Korea) definitely an awsome company to deal with. I have the link to the auction if anyone else is looking for some 290cc injectors :)

[seguin22]

are you gonna be running the 16t with or whitout a decomp plate?

[toymachine566]

I'll still be using the decompression plate. It comes set at 14.7 psi via the wastegate spring, So I wouldnt be able to lower the boost any.

[Keyan]

dude.......have you been there before?

yeah, I go there every once and a while. I'll stop by their shop some time later this week and I'll get you some prices. :D

[toymachine566]

awsome dude......That'd be awsome if they could get my Unichip tuned specifically for my car.

[Cypher]

i'm aware of how they tune.

i know several peopel whos tunes were spot-on without tuning on the dyno and when they hit it they couldn't hardly get anything else out of the car! ;)

[toymachine566]

:confused: so your saying I should be fine with just Alpines tune?

[Cypher]

no lol i was referring to my friends who have tuned their car with standalones and widebands and had a great tune first time around :)

[toymachine566]

ahhh, i see lol

I will be picking up the motor on Saturday....So once I get the turbo in and get either an e-mail back from John OR a pm back from Dave The swap will hopefully get started.....................dare I say................NEXT WEEKEND:smiley_ac (St. Patricks day)

[Cypher]

ooooooooo i hope it warms up. if it gets warm again i may be down to shoot up for a weekend.

[only1db]

next week its supposed to be a warming trend...so in the 50's sounds good to me!!

hell anything in the 40's sounds better than when we did the head...freezing!! my fingers are still numb...hahahaha

next week works for me...you just have toget that car towed down here.

[toymachine566]

turbo's here........pics:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/6719013436.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4944526)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/6719013463.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4944527)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/6719013540.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4944528)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/6719013572.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4944529)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/6719013668.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4944530)

Now one question. In the listing it states it is water cooled, okay.....But there is only one inlet/outlet for the water lines. How is the turbo going to get it's oil supply?

You can see in the pics, and the holes are in the same locations where the alpine water lines would connect, but where my oil feed and drain locations are, there is nothing:confused:

Thanks.

[05xd]

Damn ye!!!!
Thats the 16 right? I want it.Pm me for my address lol
So when is it goin in.
Sorry I can't help none on the cooling issue but im boggled as well on the inlet/outlet.I just see one as well

[toymachine566]

lol, the swap will be commencing next weekend. Tomorrow everything will be getting setup (i.e. dropping motor off at inlaws house, making some space in the garage) then we will be pulling the old motor and swaping everything over while both motors are out of the car. So hopefully within two weeks everything should be done :)

[Keyan]

ish,

with the clearance issues you had with the 13g's wastegate actuator, are you sure this one will fit??

[toymachine566]

yeah, I thought about that too. But the wastegate actuator canister on this turbo is also in a slightly different location. It's a bit shorter, so it wouldn't even be resting on the bell housing (i think thats where it was) like the 13g was.

[05xd]

The wastegate actuator problem is the only reason I don't wanna get a bigger turbo unless its a external wastegated turbo.You gotta let us know of clearance issues

[toymachine566]

Heres a pic I dug up of the 13gactuator canister:

http://f5.putfile.com/5/13121300279-thumb.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2581097)

it's definitely longer, I guess we'll know soon enough :D

[adeihl]

That is an oil cooled unit. No water jacket. the listing was a misprint.

[KeWLKaT]

yes that is only oil cooled.

3rd pic is for the oil inlet it seems

[Cypher]

damn i'm tempted to shoot up today to help pull the motor! i'll be giving you a callt oday buddy.

[toymachine566]

lol sounds good Jim......


thanks guys

[only1db]

yeah no pulling today...but definetly next week...as long as we can get the car towed to his inlaws...(good for me...only 10mins away...rather then 50 to the house)

today i guess will be just organizing...so hopefully next weekend...everything will commence!

i too was baffled...about the only one inlet and one outlet...but i guess it being a misprint...that takes care of that.

[Cypher]

ah next week would be better anyway. i almost forgot that i have to do something today. don't think she'd be too keen on me ditching her to go play with a car lol

[only1db]

ditching women for cars...i can tell you is bad...ahahha...

all i have to say is damn that motor is heavy!!!

[Cypher]

its not that heavy. me and lars were able to pick it up and move it around. i can pick up the trans by myself and move it around. :)

[only1db]

^ so can i...but man the block with the intake and exhaust manifold is heavy! the block with just the head is not that bad...toy and i moved it out of the van...

i can pick up anb carry a good distance a shortblock ej25...i havent tried the 3.3 yet...

[Cypher]

bah. the intake and exhaust manifolds aren't a thang

[only1db]

as my wife would say...just whip out and measure already...hahaha

[Keyan]

as my wife would say...just whip out and measure already...hahaha

someone has a personal issue !!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[only1db]

no me...the wife does....she cant stand it when people talk about what they can do...

just like talking about how fast your car is and i can beat you....boo...go to the track and race.

[Cypher]

yeah well the girls i know don't like when it alk about cars so i have to put it all on pause lol

but anyway gotta do my mod duty so stay on topic people!

[toymachine566]

lol you guys......grey goose with mountain doo tonight. Maybe some Aqua Teen Hunger Force Volume 3 if my d/l speeds up :D

keyan, anyword from the tune shop?

[Keyan]

lol you guys......grey goose with mountain doo tonight. Maybe some Aqua Teen Hunger Force Volume 3 if my d/l speeds up :D

keyan, anyword from the tune shop?


I haven't had time to stop by. If I finish the swap on tuesday early enough I will stop by then...if not it'll have to wait until next week.... feel free to call them though !

[toymachine566]

yeah I could do that too lol

I thought maybe you knew someone there, I've still got time. Maybe like two or three weeks.

[Cypher]

I haven't had time to stop by. If I finish the swap on tuesday early enough I will stop by then...if not it'll have to wait until next week.... feel free to call them though !

what swap would that be?

[toymachine566]

what swap would that be?

x2

hhhhhmmmmmmmm:)

[Keyan]

x2

hhhhhmmmmmmmm:)

the transmission, of course.

tuesday at work. I'm gonna start at 730am and I have until 9pm to finish it :eek:

[Cypher]

i figured thats what you were talking about.

mod note: beer sucks. good thing isamael ran out! :)

[toymachine566]

ugghhhh, memories come flooding back. I gave myself a time frame, now my motor is gone :(. Them's gonna be some long hours my friend, I wish the best of luck :)

[Cypher]

keyan start your own thread so we don't whore up isamaels!

[Keyan]

keyan start your own thread so we don't whore up isamaels!

I will after it's installed !

If you do a search you'll see all my failed attempts (at everything) that I made thread about before they happened :eek:

Ok, back on topic,

That's a uh, cool looking turbo you got there!

[toymachine566]

lol, I'm hoping to see between 230-250 with this one :D we'll see though

[only1db]

you already know my predictions...240-250whp and 270-280 wtq...

lets see if my guess is as good as my last one...

i still think that you had more power in the old setup that we didnt see on the dyno due to the fuel spraying (laughing while thinking back to dyno day...) and all the exhaust leaks...

yeah i guess next weekend it begins uh?? atleast a cleanup and moving of things...hopefully her pops will be there so we know what to do with half that crap.

[KeWLKaT]

the transmission, of course.

tuesday at work. I'm gonna start at 730am and I have until 9pm to finish it :eek:

AAAAAAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ok man.

you mean the swap you're supposed to finish since 2 years now?

JUST KIDDING!!!!! Good luck.... :cool:

[toymachine566]

Got my head gaskets today from:

http://stores.ebay.com/FourGreenAuto

I can't say enough good things about them, 2days from minute of order from korea. Definitely awsome seller for OEM parts :)

[only1db]

^ that is rediculous...

um...have you looked outside lately?? 12+ for our area...i dont think you towing anything this weekend...

[toymachine566]

yeah, thats fine by me, 3:30 and already two glasses of grey goose with mountain dew :D. I'll fine as long as I get it there this weekend, doesnt necessarily have to be tomorrow. My main concern is finding out whther the d/p will go with this turbo.

I sent my unichip out to Dave today so hopefully I can have it back next week.

Even if I just start removing chargepiping and misc. stuff, that just shaves off a couple more minutes that we would waste anyway

[only1db]

yeah...so what time tomorrow?? you better get out there and shovel!!