Slapshotman7's Turbo Thread

[Slapshotman7]

05 XD2 GLS Sedan (Just for reference)

Ok, so I'm in the process of purchasing Mahonroys old turbo setup. The plan is to install it this summer:D. To try and reduce to an even longer thread I'll just post the link to the setup.
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21771
Ok, so I'm gonna be needing more parts and I want to make sure I get lots of opinions before I start buying the rest of what I need. So far this is the list of other parts I'll be looking to purchase. If you wanna give me some opinions on what you think will work or what you have thats good, or just if you think I'm missing some stuff let me know. Getting this thread going early for that reason.
What I Need
- Alpine Developments Turbo Manifold
- Unichip
- OEM Sonata 290cc Injectors
- Boost Gauge
- Oil Pressure Gauge
- Gauge that will tell me a/f mixture (not sure on this yet)
- Gauge Pod
- Clutch
- Stainless Steel Exhaust (trying to work a deal with Mahonroy for his)

For the manifold and unichip I've gotta call Alpine to find out prices for those (anyone have any ideas?). The rest I'll just be searching around to find decent prices, as with almost all of the time anyone buys parts, I want decent quality without breaking the bank, not looking to spend a whole lot. So if you have any suggestions I'm all ears, where I can get the parts and costs. Or other parts you may/may not think I'll need (fuel pump and decompression plate for example).
Thanks in advance!:)

And a personal thanks to Mahonroy and KeWlKat, I've been pestering them non-stop for the past week with questions. How I knew it was about time for a thread lol. Thanks!

[toymachine566]

Here's a link to some 290cc injectors from a Sonata for $169

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-05-HYUNDAI-SONATA-FUEL-INJECTORS-4PCS-CAR-PARTS_W0QQitemZ120005863863QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3355 4QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

I just bought a set tonight :)

good luck with entering the FI realm, take your time with it and you will be fine LOL

[silet]

- Gauge that will tell me a/f mixture (not sure on this yet)


You have the oil pressure gauge on the list, but you do need an A/F gauge!!! If you run lean you will fray your valves and you will warp the head. No amount of engine or turbo coolant will prevent this. Do this even if you have to add a separate sensor right after the turbo.

[KeWLKaT]

no you dont need an af gauge. anyways all gauges on the market are narrowband and you have a primary wideband which will not work unless you buy a 300$ wideband kit and just use the gauge from there.

just do it like me and buy yourself an EGT gauge and install the probe somewhere either before or after the turbo, it gives you better ideas about running lean or not (except if you go the (expensive) wideband route).

[Keyan]

http://www.speedhut.com/el_detail_gauge.asp?auto_number=600&bhcp=1

Here is a wideband gauge you can tap into our OEM sensor with

[KeWLKaT]

****, it costs 130$ and is guly and nonfunctional as hell

[silet]

no you dont need an af gauge. anyways all gauges on the market are narrowband and you have a primary wideband which will not work unless you buy a 300$ wideband kit and just use the gauge from there.

just do it like me and buy yourself an EGT gauge and install the probe somewhere either before or after the turbo, it gives you better ideas about running lean or not (except if you go the (expensive) wideband route).

You do have a point about the EGT guage, but he does need an A/F. Felix, you should know better than give advice like that. You just proved that all you want to do is counter my advice. If he can install on EGT sensor, he can install a narrowband sensor and not have to bother with the wideband.

[KeWLKaT]

DUDE

you dont understand

04+ comes with a WIDEBAND primary sensor. The only NARROWBAND he has is AFTER the cat, which is totally POINTLESS to use as a reference because it will read ABSURD values since the cat has done its job on the ratio already.

I do not give bad advice, and frankly I don't have time to waste to just disagree with you. I'm here to help the people, because I have been there, and done that.

Now what he can do if buy a narrowband gauge, get a new bung welded in, and then buy a narrowband sensor but that will cost him almost as much as buying a wideband setup with a new sensor, PLUS NARROWBAND GAUGES ARE USELESS when not in WOT.... and when you're there you can just use the EGT as reference anyways!

EDIT:

Might I add that slapshot man is my homeboy and I would never do something to **** him over!

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Bad advice? Not really. Misguided and sometimes incomplete? Sure. We all do at times. Admitting that you're not 100% right is the first step. I don't know what comes next, I haven't gotten there yet. . . :P

[KeWLKaT]

^

Weeeeee :)

[silet]

You may not intend any harm, but your advice about turbo installations has not produced much good, has it? Out of all the people you gave advice to, how many have a succesful install? From where I stand, zero!

So here you come giving advice to a novice, acting like a know-it-all and pretending you actually know what your talking about.

If you want to be an expert you need to do the following:


Fix your engine
Fix your turbo
Get to a track and bring back slips showing less than 15 sec
Run the car for 10 K miles without the engine going south


If slapshotman is your friend, you would help him and not get into BS about A/F meter... I don't like seeing people with blown engines because of bad advice.

[Slapshotman7]

Might I add that slapshot man is my homeboy and I would never do something to **** him over!
^:D lol.

No need to get out of hand with the gauges, I just asked for opinions. I trust Felix's with the EGT gauge, the wideband may be a better option but if I use a cheaper EGT for a month or two than upgrade later I would rather do that. Why would the wideband gauge that Keyan gave not be worth ****?

Toymachine, thanks for the link for the injectors. I'll have to pick up a set of those.:)

[KeWLKaT]

Silet you are really a douche.

Tell me HOW A NARROWBAND GAUGE helps you. HAVE YOU ever even SEEN one in action? All it does is a sweeping action from left to right and it doesnt give you a read it all.

YOu KNOW WHAT ????

Just for you i will take a vid of my gauge in action and you will see just how useless the gauge really is. I remember 2loud2k2gt saying its like a star wars light saber action :D

By the way DUDE my engine is PERFECTLY fine thank you very much, it has over 120,000km on it and runs STRONG.

As for the turbo:

I got around 25,000km out of it.
the 13g has blown on THREE people until now, me, toymachine, and my01elantra. HMMMMMMM I wonder if its just a coincidence? ALL THREE that are the only ones who ever bought the SAME kit? HMMMMMM

So take your head out of your *** before you talk. How many people YOU talked to made a successful install?

For your information, I gave LOTS of advice to SEGUIN who happened to make a VERY succesful install on his car!

Oh wait... Sorry... You cant delete my posts on this forum like on ELANTRACLUB the home of the edited posts

[Cypher]

first and foremost, narrowbands are "good" at WOT and near stoich. thats the only times they read slightly accurate. this is fact.

second, silet and felix stop going at each other. i realize all you want to do is help lead slapshot in the right direction but do it without getting worked up.

3rd, EGT gauges are helpful BUT they are not without flaws themselves. unless you have one on every cylinder you can't know exactly where something went wrong. if you have it on 4 and 1 detonates you may not realize it right away. typically the last runner is where it gets placed on Inline engines because its the farthest from the fuel supply and has the shortest runner on the turbo manifold.

i may have said something wrong because i'm in a rush but screw it i'll fix it later. food time! :D

[FordFasteRR]

with the new engines and the oem wideband, there is really no need for any fuel management.... the system should make it run somewhat safely at WOT =)

As long as you have big enough injectors and a simple trimming device for idle conditions, you should not even throw a code !!!

=)

[silet]

Cypher is absolutely correct. You need to monitor each cylinder for EGT.

FordFasteRR, I agree with you especially if the car came from the factory with turbo. However I've seen plenty of people continue to drive with a CEL on. You know very well what would happen if they are running lean AND it won't take long for the damage.

Slapshotman7, I'm sure Felix means well, but try to get advice from someone that has a successful installation too.

Felix, if you need an engine, I have an 03 available.

[Slapshotman7]

Ok to prevent an EXD war I say we end the discussion about a gauge for now.

Anyone have any advice or opinions on anything else? Especially clutches?

http://www.prosportgauges.com/index.htm

Does anyone have experience with ProSport Gauges? Been thinking about going through them. Any thoughts?

[Cypher]

i disagree with ford. the oem ecu is going to attempt to obtain stoich with since thats what N/A motors strive for. a boosted motor should be near 11.5 AFR. simply throwing in bigger injectors and driving MAY work for a little bit but it won't be long before things go haywire. i.e. clarion.

[KeWLKaT]

I'm sure Felix means well, but try to get advice from someone that has a successful installation too.

Felix, if you need an engine, I have an 03 available.

Are you blind? I said my engine is working perfectly fine...
Anyhow.

As far as the clutch goes I would say go with my setup, ACT Street disk. Never has slipped EVER on the hardest launches, and I have my buddy with the same setup on his car for over a year and has no problems either. And if you have cash for a flywheel, get that too.

AND SILET PLEASE TELL ME THIS, PLEASE!!!::::

How is my installation unsuccessful? NOTHING has happened to my car related to the installation. Could you please elaborate?

[Slapshotman7]

Ok, so I have decided to go with the ACT Organic Street Clutch Kit, I just want someone to verify that it will work on an 05 (because its not listed).

ACTHY1-HDSS Heavy Duty PP w/ Hybrid Street Disc Kit
- 236lb Torque - 40% Increase
96-02 Hyundai Elantra 1.8 & 2.0L
97-04 Hyundai Tiburon 1.8 & 2.0L DOHC

http://www.nipponpower.com/product.phtml?p=88&mmk=215

Thanks in advance.

[Cypher]

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES IT WILL WORK sorry... peeve lol

[Slapshotman7]

haha thanks, just wanted to be positive before I bought it.

[dmdicks]

Kewl,

Have you contacted John yet? Your 13g is absolutely fine. No shaft play and hardly any wear on the shaft bushings.

[KeWLKaT]

Kewl,

Have you contacted John yet? Your 13g is absolutely fine. No shaft play and hardly any wear on the shaft bushings.

dmdicks, I am going to give him a call. This is bs, my turbo is shot, and I KNOW it. MASSIVE amounts of oil in my charge piping and exhaust. MASSIVE.

My WHOLE OIL, FOUR LITRES POURED OUT and you're trying to make me beleive some PCV valve story.

Tell you what if you think the turbo is perfect then just send me another one and use this one yourself. How's that? :confused:

[Slapshotman7]

So I posted before about getting gauges from www.prosportgauges.com, however I emailed carbonman and they won't fit in the pillar gauge pod that he sells. Does anyone else know of any places that sell gauge pods?
Thanks.

[chris929]

I lost 2 L of oil with my setup when my PCV setup was not setup up correctly. I too thought it was my turbo or internal damage but it turned out just to be the PCV setup...

[slow 2K2GT]

Ok, so I have decided to go with the ACT Organic Street Clutch Kit, I just want someone to verify that it will work on an 05 (because its not listed).

ACTHY1-HDSS Heavy Duty PP w/ Hybrid Street Disc Kit
- 236lb Torque - 40% Increase
96-02 Hyundai Elantra 1.8 & 2.0L
97-04 Hyundai Tiburon 1.8 & 2.0L DOHC

http://www.nipponpower.com/product.phtml?p=88&mmk=215

Thanks in advance.


Hey hey good choice in clutches buddy!

[KeWLKaT]

I lost 2 L of oil with my setup when my PCV setup was not setup up correctly. I too thought it was my turbo or internal damage but it turned out just to be the PCV setup...

yeah but dude I lost it all in a matter of a couple of days, I was puffing hardcore oil from my exhaust, it was an ugly sight.

[chris929]

Haha that sounds all too familiar....one day I look in my rear view mirror and I see nothing but a disgusting cloud of white smoke lol....later I notice oil dripping out of my turbo intake pipe and BOV...oy....anyways gl.