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slow 2K2GT
01-08-2008, 01:27 PM
LOL guys this is no place to fight.

Car has little off boost power right now, but I find that for some reason the boost acceleration is a lot smoother than with the decomp plate.

slow 2K2GT
01-12-2008, 02:43 PM
Well its been a week since the install. The first 4 days were perfect, did a compression test and im reading 138psi across all cylinders. Well about 3 days ago, I had some major issues under boost. I had a backfire and then a bunch more. Each time there was one the CEL would come on and then go off again, I havent had a chance to read it yet to figure out what the code is, but the light never stays on, it just blinks each time there is a backfire.

Any ideas before I confirm?

This only happens once in a while, as I am able to reach full boost 95% of the time. When its backfiring my wideband reads high 11s to mid 12s, so I figure the 5th injector is sticking open...This could be a Unichip failure coming on...and dumping lots of extra fuel in under no boost. I say no boost because once I hear the first backfire I let off the gas and go into a neutral coast, but it still happens until the AF ratio goes back to normal.

Any ideas?


-------UPDATE-------

I went out to read the CEL and there are no stored codes in memory. I read it with several different programs and they all came up the same, no faults or stored codes.

Could it have been the knock sensor being triggered by the backfire?

It may be unavoidable now for me to get the SMT, even just to control the 5th injector until I can afford to get the dual rail.

only1db
01-12-2008, 05:32 PM
why do my post keep getting deleted??


the backfire obviously is the unburned fuel....you really should re-tuned.

there should be a CEL...but if not then more than likely its the knock sensor.

Cypher
01-12-2008, 10:40 PM
wtf are you talking about? NONE of your posts have been deleted in this thread.

slow 2K2GT
01-13-2008, 12:45 AM
So no further ideas? I know that the loud explosion type sounds are coming from the back of the car and when I get them its usually in groups of 4-8.

dmdicks
01-14-2008, 01:13 PM
Some things to check. Make sure all connections to and from the Unichip, including the pins in the plastic connector, are solid.
On my car I actually had a broken crankshaft sensor cause problems. Replaced it and problems are gone.
You can also try not having your MAF go through the turbo module and see if that helps at all.
As far as the chip itself failing? I HIGHLY doubt it. 99.9% of the supposed chip failures can be traced to improper or loose wiring.
Also the subinjector is VERY high quality and I highly doubt its "sticking" open.

slow 2K2GT
01-14-2008, 05:47 PM
ok sounds good, I will look at those things as when I pulled the head I had to move some of the wires around. I will do that tonite. I really like how the car feels with the new upgrade, if only I could get passed this issue it would be next to perfect.

Keyan
01-14-2008, 06:16 PM
i dont remember off the top of my head, and i don't have time to re-read this thread, but you upgraded from a head spacer to 1.8L pistons and rods right?

I'm thinking your backfiring problem might just be the tune on the unichip, because with the new pistons/rods the stroke of your motor has changed and your spark timing might be off enough to do this.

slow 2K2GT
01-14-2008, 07:45 PM
I did in fact do that upgrade. The first few days I had the 1.8s installed I had no issues at all with the boost but thats what I was thinking actually as I just came in from checking all my connections and there is nothing that is loose.

Damn I didnt want to spend a lot of money on more tuning but I guess it will have to happen should the timing be an issue...maybe dmdicks will chime back in and say something.

Cypher
01-14-2008, 07:49 PM
your stroke IS NOT different, your compression ratio is different.

Keyan
01-14-2008, 07:50 PM
if the rod is a different length, the stoke is different.

Cypher
01-14-2008, 07:58 PM
No it is not. Stroke by defintion is the distance that the rod moves up the bore of the cylinder. How is this changed? It is not. The distance that the piston comes up has been changed resulting in a lowering compression ratio because it doesn't come up as high.

slow 2K2GT
01-14-2008, 08:46 PM
The 1.8 rods are a little shorter, but here is my question. Wouldnt it be almost the same thing as adding the head spacer? there is more quench area when the spacer is in over stock, as is the case when the new rods and pistons are installed...am I not correct here. The decomp plate dropped compression to 8:1 and the rods dropped the compression to 7.7:1...is there that much difference from one to the other that would cause a spark issue?

only1db
01-15-2008, 07:32 AM
yes....your getting more air in...like i said before i think its in the tune!

slow 2K2GT
01-16-2008, 04:57 PM
I dont think im getting more air in as I have not changed the valvetrain in any sort of way, I just lowered the compression.

Cypher
01-16-2008, 07:54 PM
I think his thinking was with the piston going down farther you'd get in more air??? but that makes no sense since everything else is exactly the same.

slow 2K2GT
01-16-2008, 07:59 PM
So here is something else. When this thing happens it will cause the engine to buck and sometimes the car will shut off...that happened to me tonite on the way home, I was a lot concerned at that point. I will replace my spark plugs and crank position sensor tomorrow, judging the dealership has one in stock. I am really hoping its as easy as that.

only1db
01-17-2008, 07:31 AM
any cels? or are you just going to just ramdonly change parts out?

slow 2K2GT
01-17-2008, 09:30 AM
No CELs. It does come on when the motor bogs down or backfires, but when I put the scanner on there are no codes at all and nothing is stored in memory. I dont want to replace the sensor right now as its $180, so I am going to remove the turbo and fiddle with the sensor and ensure that its seated properly.

2001VE
01-17-2008, 03:05 PM
Haven't played much with turbo's but I have rebuilt a few engines. Quality of fuel can sometimes vary; it also goes stale quickly when a car sits. Real cold winter air holds more oxygen which can also affect tuning. My 2$.

KeWLKaT
01-17-2008, 03:12 PM
if the rod is a different length, the stoke is different.

Wow I can't believe how I missed that post!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAA

The stroke DOES NOT CHANGE unless you change the crankshaft in some way. It's distance of travel, not length of the arm.

To add to the mess:

Do you have a wideband or something? I'm pretty sure it's the tune that needs some tweaking.

slow 2K2GT
01-17-2008, 04:23 PM
I do have a wideband kit and the AF ration stays normal under accelleration but all of a sudden will stumble and backfire. When I take my foot off the gas the AF ration stays very rich.

The first 2 days the pistons were installed and I drove it there were no issues at all. The car drove perfectly, even better than it did with the decomp plate installed. All of a sudden it just happened and has not stopped since...so I dont know really. I ordered a new crank sensor today and it will be here tomorrow so tonite I need to remove the turbo and make sure that the sensor is connected and there are no burns in the wires from being so close to the turbo. If it keeps acting up after I do that stuff then I will replace the sensor, if that doenst fix the issue then I will look into a tuning issue.

Keyan
01-17-2008, 05:11 PM
why would you replace the crank sensor "just because"?

it could be something internal, too. how does your oil look, any fuel in it? how about compression?

KeWLKaT
01-17-2008, 05:24 PM
The crank sensor malfunctioning would cause a no start btw (been there).

Check your compression. How did you gap your rings? Did you do any measuring at all (filing them) or did you just drop them in? My guess is you need to re-ring it.

Check your compression.

Oh yeah, check your compression.

Cypher
01-17-2008, 10:11 PM
If you remember, Jeff (rush) had weird issues simliar to what Donnie is explaining. All of which were related to his crank sensor wiring being messed up.

slow 2K2GT
01-18-2008, 12:07 AM
I removed the sensor connector tonite and found a crack in it so it wasnt holding on to the sensor very well. I patched it all up and connected things again and the car ran just fine.

When I checked the gap on the rings, I installed one into each cylinder and measured to be sure they were withing the factory specs...each and every one was so I installed them on the pistons and finished up the job.

Read back a little more Felix and I did a compression check about 3 days after the install, 135-138psi per cylinder...did that check again two days ago and got the same results. Compression is good.

Oil is good, still nice and golden looking, no smell of fuel.

KeWLKaT
01-18-2008, 12:14 AM
Sweet, I guess I missed it.

A problem I used to have with the alpine setup was that the crank sensor would get knocked on to from the wastegate bracket.

When it stalled and I checked the code, it wouldnt light a CEL BUTTTT i would have a pending DTC related to that. Check to see if it could be related if your scanner had a way of checking those.

The crank sensor has a 0.5-1mm clearance spec to read the signal. it gets loose just a bit and it goes off spec.

Also MAKE SURE the o-ring on the sensor is pulled back as much as possible! Onto the little "lip", or else it wont work well!

It's just a 10mm bolt.

slow 2K2GT
01-18-2008, 09:58 AM
Thanks Felix. I have no pending codes when I check each time, its a little concerning to me, perhaps I will change software and go at it again should this problem persist.

I will stop into the dealership today and see if I can get just the connector ordered in to eliminate the crack in the connector issue.

Cypher
01-18-2008, 10:02 AM
so, is it acting better now?

slow 2K2GT
01-18-2008, 11:23 PM
Yes it is acting perfect again...minus being gutless while off boost, lol.

dmdicks
01-21-2008, 03:13 PM
being gutless while off boost might be running too rich or timing to retarded off boost. With the lowered CR you can add a few more degrees of timing and lean it out to get it running much better.

slow 2K2GT
02-14-2008, 10:05 PM
Well I hit up the dyno today, will post up picture of sheet later, for now here are the less than satisfactory results.

Mustang Dyno
202whp 214ft/lbs @ 14psi
200whp 219ft/lbs @ 14psi

I had some issues with boost spikes on the way to the dyno so I turned it way down incase something happened. Needless to say I was less than pleased with the outcome, but for now I guess it will have to do.

Oh and that noise frmo my tranny finally got really angry tonite so i am taking the tranny out tomorrow to further investigate.

Keyan
02-14-2008, 10:06 PM
that is very disappointing.

yamaha
02-14-2008, 10:13 PM
Wow, those numbers aren't really impressive at all. Did you get an air/fuel ratio with that too?

KeWLKaT
02-14-2008, 10:24 PM
My guess is with the **** unichip your tune is wayyyy to rich...

Keyan
02-14-2008, 10:43 PM
dont blame unichip



blame alpine

KeWLKaT
02-14-2008, 10:44 PM
dont blame unichip



blame alpine

I blame the all!

Keyan
02-14-2008, 10:44 PM
well, then i blame your mom :D

slow 2K2GT
02-15-2008, 12:31 AM
A/F sat at 11.3-11.9 the whole time at WOT. I would also say that the 7.7:1 compression wreaked havoc on the results as well.

being gutless while off boost might be running too rich or timing to retarded off boost. With the lowered CR you can add a few more degrees of timing and lean it out to get it running much better.

Good thing about the Unichip is that I cant do anything about the tune at all...

only1db
02-15-2008, 07:30 AM
^because you are not tuned for it...the unichip is tuned for the decomp plate...not those set of pistons...

like mentioned you should be able to increase timing and lean it out a bit.

Keyan
02-15-2008, 09:44 AM
Good thing about the Unichip is that I cant do anything about the tune at all...


you can bring it to a dyno tune shop that has the unichip software and they can do it. or you can be like everyone else and DIY with an smt.

yamaha
02-15-2008, 01:10 PM
Who needs a dyno when I have the Unichip software. :)

slow 2K2GT
02-15-2008, 02:42 PM
wish I had some Unichip Software

Keyan
02-15-2008, 09:19 PM
yeah me too :(

slow 2K2GT
02-15-2008, 09:40 PM
Well as promised here are the dyno sheets from the other day.

4th gear pull
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/IMG_0002.jpg

3rd gear pull
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/IMG_0001.jpg

only1db
02-16-2008, 07:52 AM
so how much power did you make?

slow 2K2GT
02-16-2008, 09:12 AM
3rd gear:
202whp 214ft/lbs @ 14psi

4th gear:
200whp 219ft/lbs @ 14psi

im hoping that my failing tranny and clutch accounted for a little bit of power loss, once everything is fixed im going to go for a few more pulls.

bmxdad
02-17-2008, 12:31 AM
So what do you think you should get?

byron
02-17-2008, 07:18 AM
u should get rid of the unichip and get a better fuel tuner... i hear smt-6 is the shiz

slow 2K2GT
02-17-2008, 08:59 AM
So what do you think you should get?

I was hoping for somewhere between 225 and 250.

TSmooth8403
02-17-2008, 10:22 AM
NGM is now able to do reflashes for our cars, why don't you give TC a call if you think tuning is a problem.

slow 2K2GT
02-17-2008, 10:46 AM
Because that still leaves me with zero ability to tune my settings on my own.

TSmooth8403
02-17-2008, 10:51 AM
then get a smt or the aem f/ic

only1db
02-17-2008, 11:10 AM
NGM is now able to do reflashes for our cars, why don't you give TC a call if you think tuning is a problem.

he says he can...but i have yet to see it...

yamaha
02-17-2008, 11:24 AM
http://www.hyundaihouseofpower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2544

He is only doing the 16bit ECU's, no good for me.

bmxdad
02-17-2008, 01:44 PM
Any issues off boost? How does run as a daily driver?

slow 2K2GT
02-17-2008, 01:55 PM
other than lacking a little power off boost its perfectly normal, the switch from off to on boost is very smooth.

Well I got my kids for the weekend and put them right to work on the car...unfortunately they had a different agenda that I had planned.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/Weekend%20With%20Kids/HPIM0959.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/Weekend%20With%20Kids/HPIM0958.jpg

joph09
02-17-2008, 07:18 PM
turbo'd swing saweeet

Keyan
02-17-2008, 07:31 PM
are you using a 15t or 13g? from those pics it looks identical to my 13g.

slow 2K2GT
02-17-2008, 07:46 PM
its a 15t...well im pretty sure it is, its the turbo supplied with the Stg 1 intercooled kit. What markings on it can I look for? I know it says TD04 on the housing...

bmxdad
02-17-2008, 09:36 PM
There should also be a metal plate, with the model, part and serial numbers, on the compressor side. at least that was were mine was on the 13g I had.

Keyan
02-17-2008, 09:40 PM
There should also be a metal plate, with the model, part and serial numbers, on the compressor side. at least that was were mine was on the 13g I had.

+1 it will say TD04 XXXXX with the XXX being the 13g or 15t.

BTW i have a stg 1 kit but the previous owner was supplied a 13g, and thats what i have now.

slow 2K2GT
02-17-2008, 10:43 PM
I am running outside to look right now, hold on!

05xd
02-17-2008, 10:44 PM
That dont look like a 13g to me

slow 2K2GT
02-17-2008, 11:03 PM
theres no plate on it for me to find out.

only1db
02-18-2008, 07:47 AM
thats a 15t....the thirteen was much smaller.

KeWLKaT
02-18-2008, 09:07 AM
thats a 15t....the thirteen was much smaller.

durrrrr the compressor housing is identical on both of them as far as i know

lol

slow 2K2GT
02-18-2008, 09:31 AM
No need to argue, I dont know which it is, for now im not really concerned...what I need to focus on is getting my car back together and running properly.

BestRedRide
02-18-2008, 10:26 AM
Best Pics EVER!!!! LOLZ!!!

Put 'er back together!!!!

-BRR

slow 2K2GT
02-18-2008, 10:32 AM
I am looking at seriously getting rid of my kit. Remove the 1.8s and sell the whole shooting match together along with my gauges and wideband. I know ive been here before but if the new clutch install doesnt fix my problem then I will have to pull everything again to rebuild the tranny...so at that time I will pull the whole kit, pick up a header from flyride, an intake from e-bay, re-install the stock rods and pistons and call it a day.

I just need a buyer for the kit, hell if someone told me today they wanted it I would go home and pull it this evening.

KeWLKaT
02-18-2008, 11:30 AM
I had the same slippage problems with the street disc man, but the 4 puck was good.

only1db
02-19-2008, 07:46 AM
my bad...i thought it was physically bigger...

the 13g just looked smaller

Keyan
02-19-2008, 12:24 PM
durrrrr the compressor housing is identical on both of them as far as i know

lol



the compressor housing on the 15t is much bigger and looks different, i have compared mine and justins side by side and a noob could tell the difference. the 15t looks huge compared to the 13. plus the 15t is a 5 bolt exhaust exit and the 13 is a 4 bolt

slow 2K2GT
02-19-2008, 06:56 PM
I believe then if there is a 4 bolt exhaust manifold on the 13g then thats what I have...so needless to say 17psi is WAY out of its efficiency range.

KeWLKaT
02-19-2008, 07:02 PM
the compressor housing on the 15t is much bigger and looks different, i have compared mine and justins side by side and a noob could tell the difference. the 15t looks huge compared to the 13. plus the 15t is a 5 bolt exhaust exit and the 13 is a 4 bolt
That only means the exhaust housing is different. To me they look identical on the compressor housing side, and I remember reading about it. Granted, that info could've been wrong or I am just very bad on the memory skillz, lol.

only1db
02-20-2008, 07:51 AM
the compressor housing on the 15t is much bigger and looks different, i have compared mine and justins side by side and a noob could tell the difference. the 15t looks huge compared to the 13. plus the 15t is a 5 bolt exhaust exit and the 13 is a 4 bolt

you should have take some pics...


where is the 15t out of anyway?

slow 2K2GT
02-20-2008, 09:31 PM
Here are a few shots of the new coils that arrived today...yes I know my brakes are in terrible shape, the car has been on jack stands all week and we had some mild with rain to cold with snow weather.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/HPIM1046.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/HPIM1048.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/HPIM1051.jpg

Keyan
02-20-2008, 09:32 PM
you should have take some pics...


where is the 15t out of anyway?

comparision pics coming tomorrow.

cbogg
02-20-2008, 09:33 PM
Here are a few shots of the new coils that arrived today...yes I know my brakes are in terrible shape, the car has been on jack stands all week and we had some mild with rain to cold with snow weather.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/HPIM1046.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/HPIM1048.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/HPIM1051.jpg

HOLY RUSTED ROTORS BATMAN!!!!! wow, a turbo kit and coilovers? I hate you. okay, I don't hate you, but I'm really disappointed in my envy? is that better? :D

Cypher
02-20-2008, 09:40 PM
You suck Donnie, way to make me jealous.

Mahonroy
02-21-2008, 05:54 AM
Hey no need for excusses... **** my rotors can be hit by rain and the next day be rusted looking. How does she handle?

slow 2K2GT
02-21-2008, 07:43 AM
well shes still sitting up on jack stands awaiting a tranny, but for now I will say she handles great

slow 2K2GT
02-23-2008, 02:36 PM
I finally took the car down off jacks today, man are the coilovers ever stiff compared to my last setup, wow! I still need to completely adjust the car but I need to put the motor and tranny back in before that, I am also awaiting a set of 4 corner scales so I can properly adjust the cars suspension setup.

For today though I have my replacement transmission, im just waiting on the flywheel insert, it was supposed to be here yesterday but got delayed...of course right, why would it be here so I could do all the work on the weekend.

Old busted on the right, used and working on the left! Its out of an 03 XD with 42,700km on it. Ended up paying $450.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/HPIM1055.jpg

KeWLKaT
02-23-2008, 03:08 PM
sweet! I can't believe they actually took out the VSS though, lol.

slow 2K2GT
02-23-2008, 06:55 PM
VSS..what is that?

Here is what I found out from HMA

Tib gears / XD gears
1st 3.462 / 3.616
2nd 2.053 / 2.053
3rd 1.393 / 1.393
4th 1.061 / 1.061
5th 0.837 / 0.837
Rev 3.250 / 3.250
Final 4.056 / 3.650

Can someone please explain these numbers to me in greater detail? I know its got stuff to do in relation to axle revolutions, but thats as far as it goes.

Keyan
02-23-2008, 06:58 PM
its the ratio, everthing is to 1.

1st gear is every 1 revoution the output shaft gear makes, the input shaft makes 3.462 revolutions. and then the final gear is output vs wheels. for every 1 revolution of the wheels, the output shaft spins 4.056 times.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/SurferJ4/ElantraGT%20Pics/DSC03441.jpg

this is the best picture i can find of the 15t. see how the compressor side is rounded and doesnt have that black plate bolted on top of it? and its also a 5 bolt exit.

the 13 comes to that edge w/ the plate on it. like yours has.

hmm. i dunno if you have a 15t man.

cbogg
02-23-2008, 07:11 PM
Yeah, they basically use the same gear ratios, except the elantra final drive is a little lower for more fuel economy, and has a steeper 1st gear to get going better. the tib tranny is set up a little more for overall performance through the gears, with a turbo, the lower 1st gear shouldn't be an issue, but you'd be giving up more fuel economy with the higher final drive, no that you care about that with a turbo setup. the tib tranny would probably feel a little sportier.

slow 2K2GT
02-23-2008, 07:21 PM
I just blew the tranny in my tib. I noticed when I had my XD that the gearing seemed to be a bit longer, so when it came time to shop for a replacement I opted to get an XD tranny.

Hmmm Keyan, I see what you mean now. Hopefully Dmdicks can chime in here sometime and clarify things a little. I feel a little ripped off if I have the 13g. Here is a shot I took just before the engine was pulled to do the tranny, maybe Justin can get us a better picture of his turbo for now. His compressor does have a flat edge and black plate for the WG bolted to it, our compressors look quite similar.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/slow2K2GT/HPIM0940-1.jpg

only1db
02-24-2008, 09:01 AM
you will acutally be faster (more traction) with the longer gears.

slow 2K2GT
02-24-2008, 09:16 AM
As weird as it sounds, I would like to have the longer gears just for better fuel economy now. My fun has been had with the turbo but since i've come this far its a huge pain to go back to NA, especially since I tapped the block for oil return, installed the 1.8s, and tapped my IM for vac/boost signals.

BestRedRide
02-24-2008, 10:37 AM
I have an XD 5-Spd trans in my Tib as well. No complaints!

As for the turbo size debate, here's a couple of older pics of my 15T. Draw your own conclusions.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/346000-346999/346167_61_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/346000-346999/346167_18_full.jpg

-BRR

slow 2K2GT
02-24-2008, 10:42 AM
thats exactly what my turbo looks like, thanks Glen!

BestRedRide
02-24-2008, 10:50 AM
thats exactly what my turbo looks like, thanks Glen!
That what I thought too! No prob, bro!

-BRR

slow 2K2GT
02-24-2008, 11:22 AM
Now its just the issue of putting the whole thing back together and setting my suspension

maral01
02-24-2008, 06:43 PM
I am also awaiting a set of 4 corner scales so I can properly adjust the cars suspension setup.

Just wondering where you got them and what price you paid? As far as I know, those systems are pretty expensive.

slow 2K2GT
02-24-2008, 06:48 PM
I have a contact who does some sponsored drifting, she has all the equipment and is willing to lend them to me...I just need to be patient.

maral01
02-24-2008, 06:52 PM
That's great! At least, you will be to get your four corners balance properly.

slow 2K2GT
02-24-2008, 07:21 PM
thats the reason I paid the extra money for coilovers when I could have just gotten Koni dampers and Tein springs

cbogg
02-24-2008, 10:26 PM
you have a chick friend that drifts? you need to hook a brotha up son!

bmxdad
02-25-2008, 12:55 AM
drifting a FWD car? ... or did I miss something:confused:

KeWLKaT
02-25-2008, 07:36 AM
drifting a FWD car? ... or did I miss something:confused:

Yes you did. No one ever mentioned drifting an elantra. :kick:

bmxdad
02-25-2008, 04:21 PM
hmmm, they were talking about his new coil overs and then drifting ... my bad ...


... so a 5sp Tiburon has a lower final gear .... now I see why they get beat by Elantra's and Spectra's in the 1/4 mile ... no legs ...

KeWLKaT
02-25-2008, 05:30 PM
Yep, that's for sure. I noticed this first when I was in ohio and optimoprime would own modded elantras he wasn't supposed to own, due to his bigger weight.

only1db
02-25-2008, 05:55 PM
i have already heard of factory based drift team with the bk....figured i would throw that out there...


what is the 15t out of ?? what car?

KeWLKaT
02-25-2008, 05:59 PM
You do realize there are other websites except for EXD on the internet?

I just ran a search for you, derek, on google.com, it's a search engine. Search time: 0.29 seconds. That's how much time it would take you to find it.

Second link tells me it came stock on 94-97 Saab Aero's, for instance.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/killerpenguin21/IMG_1850.jpg

You're welcome.

only1db
02-25-2008, 06:01 PM
just figured i would throw it up there....just hopped on from work.


and oh yeah...thanks

KeWLKaT
02-25-2008, 06:02 PM
Well, considering it's not the first time you ask, it's not a valid excuse ;) Just poking btw, lol.

slow 2K2GT
02-26-2008, 01:35 AM
Motor and tranny is, car is running. ARK coilovers are pretty intense, ACT 4 puc clutch from Felix drives nicer than my street disc did. Overall I am pretty happy, entire install took about 6 hours, threw one CEL because I forgot to hook up the rear o2 sensor. My only issue now is the VSS (vehicle speed sensor), I cant get it to work, maybe I have it in wrong.

slow 2K2GT
02-27-2008, 08:05 PM
Hey again.

I threw a blinking CEL today, when I checked the code it was for "Fuel trim to rich bank 1". The light flashed for a good minute, I thought for sure it was a misfire but there was nothing in the CEL codes that said otherwise.

Has anyone had a blinking CEL from that before?

yamaha
02-27-2008, 09:13 PM
Oxygen Sensor?

slow 2K2GT
02-27-2008, 11:03 PM
Nope both oxygen sensors are working just fine, I tested them tonite.

only1db
02-29-2008, 07:44 AM
a blinking cel is a misfire....a catastrophic one at that...which means that raw fuel is hitting the cat and if it continues you will fry the cat.


you need to be tuned!

i'm sure the plugs are quite fouled.

slow 2K2GT
02-29-2008, 10:14 PM
I checked the plugs as well and they still look fine to me. If I had a misfire then I dont know why the ECU didnt record the event and throw a CEL. I am not worried about the cat because there are none.

only1db
03-01-2008, 02:21 PM
you can have a the blinking cel and not have a code stored.

and the code if it was stored would be a po300(multiple)301,302,303,304...each one for the specific cylinder.

slow 2K2GT
03-01-2008, 05:05 PM
There were only 2 codes after it happened and one was for MAP high input, this always happens when im using cruise control and going up a gradual hill. The second was for Cyl bank #1 rich, the blinking CEL came while I was going up the hill as well, my AF was reading 11-12 and my foot was off the gas pedal. As soon as my AF leveled out to 14s then the blinking stopped.

BestRedRide
03-01-2008, 06:15 PM
I've got a blinking CEL probably about twice a month. It's just so damn rich...

Since I'm a licensed mechanic myself, whenever I see the blinking CEL, I initially tense up out of reflex, but then realize basically it's main purpose is to save the cat's life, but I don't run a cat, so blink all you want, you POS!!!! Ha HAH!

If you run a cat, you may have just considerably screwed it up, and it's on it's way to blocking your exhaust, which of course has it's own pile of turbo drivability symptoms.

I may be concerned about your plugs, but if the richness is periodic for you, the higher combustion temps with boosting seems to have a self cleaning effect on the electrodes. That's been my case. I replace my copper plugs once or twice a year.

All that being said, congrats on getting it back on the road, and I'm excited for you having it behave for you as well. You deserve it.

-BRR

slow 2K2GT
03-01-2008, 09:04 PM
Thanks Glen, I will be replacing my plugs this week, I have 1 stage colder now but I think im going with 2 stg colder this time. Like I said before, no cats here so I am not worried about running rich at all, though I would be lost if I didnt have a way to read my CELs all the time.

only1db
03-02-2008, 02:58 PM
this is why you need a tune.

slow 2K2GT
03-02-2008, 07:08 PM
I am aware that I need a tune, right now I dont have the cash to get the better setup. Maybe after big things stop breaking I will be able to do it.

slow 2K2GT
04-07-2008, 07:29 PM
Well I have not posted here in a while but figured I would spill some info. Currently my turbo compressor wheel is starting to rub on the compressor housing due to what I figure is shaft play because I am able to wiggle the shaft by hand. So I am looking into a GT28r as a replacement, or a T3/t4 as they are a little less costly than the GT28 series. All this will have to wait until I can slap on a dual rail setup and SMT-6. I was hoping for some 2005 F/L headlights with my income tax money but there are other things that need to come first.