Genesis Sedan - 4 door - Now with pricing

[2001GLS]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_D52XcATHzos/RfNybq6Wh1I/AAAAAAAAB24/2-dbecUkSO0/s1600-h/Hyundai+BH+Spyshot+1.jpg

The lines from the side remind me a lot of the Infiniti G35 sedan, especially the window lines near the rear. This car will be replacing the Equus & have a 4.6L V8 w/340hp. Should start around $30k here in the US with the base engine being the 3.8L V6 from the Azera. The V8 should come in under $40k, well below V8's from Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, etc. Really looking forward to seeing the final product in April when it is released at the New York auto show.

[Levonida0103]

can't wait

[hyunelan2]

I can't wait to see it, but am still wondering if the U.S. is ready for a $40K Hyundai?


oh, and V8, ftw.

[SuperGLS]

The other BH thread wasn't good enough for you? Ha.

I'll let this slide since that thread is old.

Keep in mind the 340HP isn't confirmed yet. But I imagine it's a pretty good figure.

[xdforme22]

excuse my ignorance, but what is the bh? Is it a replacement for the azera? Or is it something akin to the Audi A8?

[babot]

It's a larger(and different) model, not replacing Azera. If I remember correctly, BH is a new model of EQUUS, which has not been in US market yet.

[SuperGLS]

Correct. BH is just the code name right now. In Korea they have cars that are more luxurious than the Azera (or old XG). They are finally ready to bring one to the NA market.

They have hinted in the past about making a luxury brand (like Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, or Honda/Acura) and this was supposed to be the first car for it. Lately people seem to think that it'll debut as a Hyundai and perhaps be transitioned with the Veracruz and another car to the luxury brand in the next 3-5 years. Who knows...?

[Malfunctionbob]

Correct. BH is just the code name right now. In Korea they have cars that are more luxurious than the Azera (or old XG). They are finally ready to bring one to the NA market.

They have hinted in the past about making a luxury brand (like Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, or Honda/Acura) and this was supposed to be the first car for it. Lately people seem to think that it'll debut as a Hyundai and perhaps be transitioned with the Veracruz and another car to the luxury brand in the next 3-5 years. Who knows...?

The sales jockeys at the dealership here keep saying the Hyundai is going to move into the luxury role and KIA would move into the less luxurious role..

But I haven't seen a lot of that since KIAs here have been pricing the same or in a lot of cases at a little higher than their Hyundai counterparts. I like the lines on some of the KIAs but I can't get past that damn KIA badging.. it ruins the whole thing for me.

[hyunelan2]

^^^Correct, kinda. Kia is supposed to be the 'sporty' version, not necessarily the 'cheaper' version. Hyundai will be the 'softer' of the two classes.

In GM terms, Hyundai = Buick, Kia = Pontiac.

[only1db]

maybe this will be the same engine they stuff into the next tib???

[hyunelan2]

If they do, the car would probably be close, or over, $30K. It definitely won't be a $17-22K car with the V8 in it, going by the cost of V8s in other cars (and projected costs of cars coming soon with V8s).

[only1db]

i dont care...i want one...hahaha who knows hopefully i will be at dealership so i would get a good price on one...

but back on topic...my buddy used to make fun of my for rocking all my hyundais...and he said that one day 97' in 15 years they wil lbe the same price as a bimmer and you wont be able to afford one...damn he was right...too bad he was being as sarcasic A HOLE!!!

[Fox]

v8? omg cant wait to see/hear that

[SuperGLS]

Here are two images of what it could look like.

http://www.kiacarman.com/vboard_pic/upfile/special1173745989.jpg

http://www.kiacarman.com/vboard_pic/upfile/special1173745990_2.jpg

Very nice.

[2001GLS]

I like that back end. Front reminds me of the new Camry/Lexus ES.

[Levonida0103]

sooo hot , I want one now

[joph09]

that car looks slick, very smooth body lines

[elantra_mann84]

Here are two images of what it could look like.

http://www.kiacarman.com/vboard_pic/upfile/special1173745989.jpg

http://www.kiacarman.com/vboard_pic/upfile/special1173745990_2.jpg

Very nice.


two words toyota solora

[SuperGLS]

How does that look like a Solara? I mean, it doesn't look anything like it to me except that it has four wheels and glass windows...???

It seems that it will be debuted in New York as the Hyundai Genesis Concept. This should allow them to change whatever they need based on reactions and then call it a production vehicle when they are ready.

[hyunelan2]

I think the swept grill and headlights design is very camry/solara reminiscent. The long sweeping C-pillars could hint at that too. But, I think that's more just 'modern styling' than Toyota copycatting.

[Tx_boy]

Man the back looks like a 7 Series Beamer. My .02!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2001GLS]

Just saw a CNN article on the BH posted today:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/03/19/hyundai.luxury.reut/index.html

Wonder how close they will get to their 20,000 car a year target?

[SuperGLS]

Hyundai only sold about 22,000 Azeras last year, so 20,000 at this point might be pretty ambitious. With that said, hopefully sales of all Hyundai's will continue to increase and by 2009 when this will apparently go on sale perhaps the brand image will have changed with some people making 20,000 units a year no problem.

Like someone once said, time will tell.

[ilanpro]

Looks more like an intrepid

[elantra_mann84]

How does that look like a Solara? I mean, it doesn't look anything like it to me except that it has four wheels and glass windows...???

It seems that it will be debuted in New York as the Hyundai Genesis Concept. This should allow them to change whatever they need based on reactions and then call it a production vehicle when they are ready.





the body looks simmillar to me

http://images.consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/autoreview/400x266/2006-toyota-solara-06812201990002.jpg

http://www.chooseyouritem.com/autos/photos/103000/103109-3.2004.Toyota.Solara.jpg

[evan938]

wheels will be much smaller, roof will be taller, wont be as curvy. im thinking its gonna be like a newer altima

[KeWLKaT]

i love the backend though in the drawing

[2001GLS]

The Hyundai "Genesis" concept will debut at the NY Auto Show.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/03/genesis_pre_1.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/03/genesis_pre_2.jpg

Does remind me of the new Camry in front but with 300+ hp and RWD I think it'll be a superior product!

[ghrpdx]

Hyundai's Concept Genesis makes an incredible proposition on paper — rear-wheel drive, V8 power and a full-on luxury experience for around $30,000. If the company even comes close to delivering on these promises, it could spell trouble for Honda and Toyota.

More pictures ... pretty car!
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/2007/newyork/hyundai.concept.genesis/hyundai.r34.2.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/2007/newyork/hyundai.concept.genesis/hyundai.act.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/2007/newyork/hyundai.concept.genesis/hyundai.prf.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/2007/newyork/hyundai.concept.genesis/hyundai.headlight.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/2007/newyork/hyundai.concept.genesis/hyundai.mirror.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/2007/newyork/hyundai.concept.genesis/hyundai.wheel.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/2007/newyork/hyundai.concept.genesis/hyundai.tail.lamp.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/2007/newyork/hyundai.concept.genesis/hyundai.exhaust.500.jpg

[SuperGLS]

Nice.

Of course the headlights and taillights will be switched up a little for the production car.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

They're just in time for the GM rebirth as well. The first G8 hits this fall and the new Impala/Camaro/Monte Carlo hits in 09, all RWD as well with the avaialble 367hp V8's. Looks like RWD is back.

[SuperGLS]

I didn't even take that into consideration Bob, good point.

I hope for the toned down production version it doesn't loose it's flair.

Press release. Good stuff.

HYUNDAI TO UNVEIL CONCEPT GENESIS PREMIUM SPORTS SEDAN
Rear-Wheel Drive and V-8 Engine Promise World Class Dynamics and Refinement

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., 03/26/2007 Hyundai will present the world debut of Concept Genesis during a press conference at the New York International Auto Show on April 4. The concept car heralds the future architecture and design of a rear-wheel drive premium sports sedan scheduled to grace the Hyundai lineup in 2008.

“Concept Genesis extends our product range into new territories from a performance, design and packaging perspective,” said Steve Wilhite, chief operating officer, Hyundai Motor America. “When it arrives in 2008 it will catapult Hyundai into competition against some potent rivals, and Genesis is up for the challenge.” Concept Genesis rides on a prototype of Hyundai’s all-new rear-wheel drive platform, signaling the brand’s desire to broaden its appeal to discerning driving enthusiasts. Concept Genesis is powered by Hyundai’s newly developed Tau DOHC 32-valve V-8 powertrain. Concept Genesis marks the beginning of premium performance for the Hyundai brand.

“Concept Genesis is a manifestation of Hyundai’s extraordinary desire to deliver world-class products across all model segments,” said John Krafcik, vice president, Product Development and Strategic Planning, Hyundai Motor America. “With Genesis, we’ve got a unique product position -- an all-new, highly capable, rear-wheel drive platform; a high-performance powertrain; and premium, progressive design – all at a price starting well under $30,000.”

NEW REAR-WHEEL-DRIVE ARCHITECTURE IS A FIRST FOR THE U.S.

Concept Genesis features a rear-wheel-drive architecture, its first application in a U.S. Hyundai model. Rear-wheel drive provides a 53:47 front/rear weight distribution for optimal handling as well as more refined steering characteristics. Concept Genesis’ premium handling and steering performance is further controlled by Electronic Stability Control (ESC), the industry’s most important new safety technology. Hyundai leads all popular car brands in the standard application of ESC, with more than 70 percent of 2007 Hyundai sales volume featuring this life-saving technology as standard equipment. ESC continually analyzes road speed, steering input, throttle position, lateral yaw rate and other factors. An onboard microprocessor determines if the vehicle is starting to understeer or oversteer, and can brake appropriate wheels and reduce engine power to keep the vehicle safely on course.

Utilizing ultra high-tensile steel in critical areas in the unibody provides Concept Genesis with a 12-14 percent higher dynamic torsional rigidity and a lower body-in-white weight than the BMW 5-series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class. This stiffer, lighter, larger body provides a terrific foundation for world-class dynamics and lowering noise levels inside the vehicle.

Tau v-8 powertrain

Adding to the Concept Genesis’ performance factor is the all-new Tau 4.6-liter V8 engine mated to a ZF 6-speed automatic transmission with SHIFTRONIC® manual control and a limited-slip differential. The Tau delivers well over 300 horsepower to fit the demands of performance-oriented consumers. This powertrain combination will launch Genesis to 60 miles per hour in well under six seconds. The Tau engine is built with flexibility for the future. Future Tau variants may offer larger displacement, forced induction options and other technology enhancements.

INNOVATIVE AND SOPHISTICATED SPORT-TUNED SUSPENSION

Genesis features a suspension design that is among the most sophisticated and refined anywhere, at any price. The front five-link suspension features upper and lower arms linking the front wheels to the chassis. This artfully articulated arrangement creates a virtual king pin axis which dramatically reduces unwanted kickback through the steering wheel as well as improving responsiveness. The five-link independent rear suspension is equally sophisticated, enabling precise suspension geometry for an incredible level of ride and handling prowess. The capabilities of the advanced front and rear-suspension are maximized through driver selectable dynamic settings allowing tailored ride and handling characteristics according to need … or desire.

MODERN DESIGN Genesis’ design is a progressive interpretation of the modern rear-wheel drive sports sedan. To match its dynamic powertrain capabilities, Genesis combines strong, sculpted forms which integrate precise details, natural materials and innovative lighting to provide a well-crafted, premium design aesthetic.

SAFETY FEATURES

Maintaining Hyundai's emphasis on delivering leading safety technology, Concept Genesis boasts world class active and passive safety features to both prevent accidents, and maximize the well being of its occupants in the event of a collision. The Genesis continues the Hyundai tradition of standardizing key life-saving active safety technology such as Electronic Stability Control (ESC) with traction control, eight airbags and active headrests.

Concept Genesis is brought to a halt by large four-wheel anti-lock disc brakes with Brake Assist and Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD). The 12.6-inch front rotors have single-piston floating calipers and the rear brakes feature 12.4-inch rotors with single-pistons.

TECHNOLOGY

· Advanced adaptive cruise control
· Electronic Stability Control
· Eight airbags
· Heat / cool seats
· High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps with adaptive leveling
· Push-button start
· Navigation with backup camera
· Electric parking brake
· Bluetooth technology
· USB / Auxiliary input jack
· HD Radio™ Receiver
· XM Satellite Radio®
· Infinity® Discrete Surround Audio System


GENESIS PREMIUM SPORTS SEDAN SPECIFICATIONS

· Configuration: FR Engine RWD Sport Sedan
· Wheelbase: 2935 mm / 115.6 inches
· Overall length: 5005 mm / 197.0 inches
· Overall width: 1863 mm / 73.3 inches
· Overall height: 1490 mm / 58.7 inches
· Track, f/r: 1575 mm / 62.0 inches, 1580 mm / 62.2 inches
· Wheels: 20-inch multi-spoke
· Engine type: V8
· Estimated horsepower: Well over 300HP
· Estimated torque: Over 300 lb. ft.
· Displacement: 4,627 cc
· Block material: High pressure die casting aluminum block
· Cylinder head material: Aluminum
· Valvetrain: Dual Over Head Cam (DOHC)
· Valve timing: Continuous variable valve timing
· Variable induction system
· Fuel delivery: Multi-port fuel injection
· Bore & stroke: 92 x 87
· Estimated 0-60 mph: well under 6.0 seconds
· Top speed: 130 mph (restricted)
· Recommended fuel: Unleaded
· Transmission type: ZF 6-speed automatic with SHIFTRONIC manual control
· Suspension: Front multi-link (5-link) / Rear multi-link (5-link)
· Stabilizer bar (front/rear): 26 mm/18 mm
· Weight distribution front to rear: 53:47 · Brakes: Power-assisted 4-wheel disc
· Front brake diameter (mm / in): 320 / 12.6 ventilated disc
· Rear brake diameter (mm / in): 314 / 12.4 solid disc
· Steering type: Speed-sensing rack-and-pinion
· Steering ratio: 14.86

Well over 300 HP in well under 6.0 seconds. Sounds fun.

[twospirits]

Sweet looking, can't wait to see it here in New York next week.

TS

[SuperGLS]

Here is a large gallery of pics thanks to Autoblog.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/hyundai-concept-genesis

[SuperGLS]

http://hyundaiconceptgenesis.com/

[Ugzz]

PC Magazine ran a small paragraph about it in its June 5th issue (they release them early to subscribers just like most magazines). Heres the text word for word:

Hyundai Genesis
The Genesis is a medium-large sedan with rear drive, a V6 engine, and possibly Hyundai's 300-plus-hp Tau V8. It's likely to have a high-tech cockpit. Hyundai is among the first automakers to offer HD Radio, for instance. Look for it within the year.

[Jlivan]

Very nice! I really like the back end......not to fond of the front lights though.

[hyunelan2]

I decided to renew this, so that the BH Genesis info stopped getting thrown in with the New Tiburon information.

I also decided to make a chop to see what this car might look like without some of the concept stuff, and I didn't care for the wheels. Here's a press photo:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/concept_hyundai_genesis_fang_cad_43.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/genesis_chop.jpg
And there's a chop with 20" Konig Beyond wheels, and 'normal' lights from the HD Elantra, skewed to fit. Anyone else want to throw in a photoshop?

[hyunelan2]

Spyshots of the production Sedan without camo, in Korea:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/bh1.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/bh2.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/bh3.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/bh4.jpg

[PSUsouthpaw]

damn...the headlights looked better in the earlier version.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

PLEASE. . . can one of you lovely people submit that last pic of mikes as an attatchment? PLEASE!!!

[Munky]

That's a big ***.

[Munky]

PLEASE. . . can one of you lovely people submit that last pic of mikes as an attatchment? PLEASE!!!

Here you go Bob.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Thank YOU!!!

[SuperGLS]

I like it. Much more production (obviously) than the concept. The headlights look good. The taillights look great like that, very Veracruz-esque. I don't know how I feel about the pattern in the grill, but that's minor.

[xdforme22]

Ehh, I think I like the Azera better. Lots of aspects just seem to be too big/overdone (grill, rear,) and I'm not a fan of the HD-esque headlights. The actual taillights are nice though.

[golfino]

The front end lookslike the big lexus the LS 4XX

[SuperGLS]

More pictures. I don't know what's up with the grill in the third picture, that might be the Korean grill I suppose. One thing I know is that it's an ugly grill.

http://www.kiacarman.com/vboard_pic/upfile/national1195400209.jpg

http://www.kiacarman.com/vboard_pic/upfile/aimg02281.jpg

http://www.kiacarman.com/vboard_pic/upfile/genesis.jpg

[Keyan]

looks good. i like the concept better though.

[2002 GLS]

Looks like a new"er"( last 5 years) infiniti Q. I like it... :) Xg350L may be going up for sale in the next 2 years Lol.

[CornbreadXD]

the concept was the best

[Matrixloader]

I think the rear looks like a bmw and the front like a lexus, over all i like it and yeah the concept looked better, the concept of any vehicle always looks better that the actual production, but this new hyundai will bring great value and taste to hyundai and capture more eyes on the road than any other hyundai before it. Now to see a test drive or video of it on the road of how it sounds and what it can do.

I can almost imagine how much more luxurious it would look with some nice 20-22inch rims.
EDIT: looks very similar to this 2008 Lexus LS460
http://auto.china.com/zh_cn/drive/i/11037200/20070511/images/14089194_2007051108541763863500.jpg
http://www.lexusleases.com/img/2008_Lexus_LS460_main.jpg

[SuperGLS]

I don't know if this BobaeDream link is going to work, but it shows off a KDM version of the new Genesis logo.

Go. (http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=national&No=87988&page=1&select=&content=&r_no=1&search_gubun=&s_pagescale=&search_day=&Answer=5)

[hyunelan2]

Looks like a total Bently ripoff.

[Munky]

Looks like a total Bently ripoff.

That's just what I was thinking.


http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6987&stc=1&d=1196177136

[Matrixloader]

Argh... what are they thinking?

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6987&stc=1&d=1196177136
http://www.richguy.com/pictures/bentley/images/Bentley%20Logo.jpg



I doubt that logo will come to North america

[golfino]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/hyundai-genesis.html


here you go more pictures, the interior is terrible IMO.

[Matrixloader]

Actually, I like the interior on it. best looking interior than any other hyundai to date. the outside looks good but it just looks like a lexus alot. overall the car looks more than good.

those pics don't show the genesis emblem and i thought that the genesis name was not the official name for this car, so i doubt that bently looking emblem will go in to production.

I like how the trunk stick up a bit, kinda like a 7 series bmw,
the L.E.D tails look hot! and so do those projector lights, most likely it will come with Hid's from the factory.
and the front looks awsome even though it looks like the lexus ls460. and dont forget the price! wow can't beat that for a RWD car like this.

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/november2007/hyundai-genesis-spy-15.jpg
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/november2007/hyundai-genesis-spy-9.jpg
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/november2007/hyundai-genesis-spy-11.jpg
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/november2007/hyundai-genesis-spy-6.jpg
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/november2007/hyundai-genesis-spy-3.jpg

[SuperGLS]

The emblem doesn't look exactly like it, ha, so that's something.

The interior looks nice. However, I can never judge by pics, I need to sit in it to determine if I like it or not.

[optimoprime]

i like the interior, it looks like its going to be premium. and the back of that car is hard as hell. its almost like a 5 series back with a 7series trunk lid. and the sides/front are very lexus like. these cars are going to change peoples thoughts of hyundai forever.

[2001GLS]

The Genesis is HOT! I see cues of the Lexus LS, Infiniti M & BMW 5 series in the styling. Derrivative but yet safe and nothing too over the top or tacky. (Course when the Sonata came out it has cues of Audi & Honda in it IMHO) At $30k with the 3.8L I think this car will be a hell of a deal. The V8 will make things even more interesting but I'd expect about a $5-8k premium for it. (Along with more interior upgrades, etc) Still well below the price of any of the other vehicles it competes against. Assuming I still have a decent job when the Sonata is paid off I will be giving one a look if I don't just get another Sonata. Very curious about fuel economy numbers with the V6 & V8 on this platform. I imagine the V8 will require premium fuel to get 350hp?

[Lawyer]

You all are damn lucky, the price is great, in Russia we can only have 2.0l Sonata for $30k.

[SuperGLS]

Apparently this is the official Korean badging.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2023/2082059707_491638e634.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2050/2082059671_3d76a502b5.jpg?v=0

I like the Genesis font, still not sure about the winged logo though.

[Matrixloader]

Isn't that the same thing people said about chrysler's logo years ago?
http://www.motorpasion.com/images/2007/05/chrysler_logo.jpg
who cares if they look similar, they are not the same logo, after a while consumers wont care much about it. lets just hope the genesis delivers what it promisses.

[SuperGLS]

Press release about badging and naming. Interesting news.



(Seoul, Korea) Marking a new beginning, Hyundai Motor Co. today announced Genesis as the official name of its eagerly aniticipated luxury sports sedan. Benchmarking and bettering the competition, the Hyundai Genesis redefines luxury by presenting a credible alternative to the premium automobile offerings from Germany, Japan and the United States.

Adopting a rear wheel drive architecture and numerous technical innovations, Genesis opens a new era of high performance Hyundai motoring.

At the same time, the company has unveiled the Genesis emblem consisting of the Genesis logotype set in a black hexagonal shield framed by a pair of wings. The wings, executed in a hyper-metallic silver, symbolize the spirt of flight and soaring above it all. However, the Genesis emblem will only be applied to the Korean and Chinese markets.

With Genesis, Hyundai opens an exciting new chapter in its 40 year-long history to compete at the very highest levels of the automotive business.

At the pinnacle of the Genesis motoring experience is the all-new Tau V-8 engine which will deliver 375 horsepower to the rear wheels through a six-speed automatic transmission. Hyundai's silk-smooth V-6 Lambda engines will also be offered in 3.3- and 3.8-liter editions. Hyundai pledges excellence at every step of the Genesis ownership experience from purchase to delivery and after-sales service.

[hyunelan2]

Wow. Going with 3 engine choices. I didn't expect that.

[SuperGLS]

That's still a press release from the International Hyundai site, and it's not clear about which engines will be where. I don't see Hyundai offering the 3.3l here in North America.

[plydon]

Genesis logo looks more classy. Sort of more like an Aston Martin wing logo than Chrystler...
http://www.sybarites.org/wp-content/AstonMartinLogo.jpg

[Lawyer]

Two photos from private show of Genesis in South Korea

[Matrixloader]

WOW! Droool..........Nice!

[hyunelan2]

Can't wait to see this car in person. I wonder how much weight will play a factor when comparing this to the Genesis Coupe. With the coupe topping out at around 300hp with the 3.8L, and this sedan having the 375hp 4.6L in it - anyone have a calculation to figure out how much more it can weigh and still keep up? (i.e. +75hp is adequate for X more pounds of car; when keeping everything else the same).


EDIT:
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG = AWD!

he first production version of the global Hyundai Genesis luxury sedan has been unveiled at the automaker’s research and development center in South Korea, complete with a new winged logo to mark the automaker’s foray into a new segment.

The Korean-spec model will go on sale in that country January 8 with a choice of Hyundai’s 3.3-liter or 3.8-liter V-6 Lambda engines.

For export markets such as the U.S., the Genesis sedan will come with a choice of either the 3.8 V-6 or Hyundai’s all-new 375-hp, 4.6-liter Tau V-8 paired with a ZF six-speed automatic transmission. It goes on sale in those markets in the first half of next year as a 2009 model, and the Genesis is expected to cost under $30,000 with the smaller engine, and about $35,000 with the V-8. All-wheel drive also will be available.

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/14390/2008-hyundai-genesis-sedan-for-korea.html?al=104



Game, set, match. Next car will be a Genesis sedan.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

C&D is quoting the weight of the "genesis coupe" as 3500lbs. So I would expect this sedan to be close to 4k.

[hyunelan2]

Using Bobs Numbers from C&D:

Coupe 300hp/3500lbs = .0857
Sedan 375hp/4000lbs = .0937;

Winner Sedan. However, it'll still cost $10K more.

[SuperGLS]

Some close up shots I thought I'd share (courtesy of http://www.geneclub.co.kr). Apparently the grill thing has something to do with adaptive cruise control that some markets are getting. The leather dash stitching looks amazing to me.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2222/2160113224_935f298fc9.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2268/2159339387_c0727a82e3.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2369/2159293727_9ce0783280.jpg?v=0

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[mbv2001]

man thats a sweet car.

[hyunelan2]

The audio controls by the shifter are interesting.

[joph09]

Everything looks great so far but they shouldn't have skimped on the design for the guage cluster. It doesn't look right for a luxury car, too plain.

[SuperGLS]

I felt the same way joph. The cluster looks as if it could be from a Sonata.

[2002 GLS]

Our XG350L is getting Old....... Lol. So whaT? 38K for everything? :cool:


Ah Look at all the buttons! Im down!


http://geneclub.co.kr/bbs/data/photo2/IMG_0221.jpg
http://geneclub.co.kr/bbs/data/photo2/IMG_0223.jpg
Push Button!
http://www.geneclub.co.kr/bbs/data/photo2/IMG_0215.jpg
http://www.geneclub.co.kr/bbs/data/photo2/IMG_0166.jpg

P.S This thing better have DRL'S! lol.

[rusto85]

WTH? What does the DMB stand for? dumb? hehe I now they have the DUH but no DMB. hehe. I like the overall look, if I only were older and better payed then I'd be down but...I'm nor. hehe

[yoodk64]

Here is the Korean commercial on Genesis..
http://dory.mncast.com/mncHMovie.swf?movieID=10042587520080108153630&skinNum=1

[golfino]

New Pix

http://www.leftlanenews.com/hyundai-genesis.html

[SuperGLS]

The power numbers (now official) on the Lambda engines are pretty impressive. The Tau, well, that will make the car real fast it seems.

I'm in love with the dash.

Press Release from Hyundai.


HYUNDAI UNVEILS GENESIS PREMIUM SPORTS SEDAN
Hyundai crafts a rival to $60,000 sports sedans...with a starting price under $30,000 Rear-wheel drive and high-output V8 engine deliver world-class driving experience

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., 01/08/2008 Hyundai aims to shatter premium automobile paradigms with the North American International Auto Show introduction of its new flagship, the all-new Genesis sports sedan on January 13. With capabilities and features comparable to $60,000 premium sedans, Genesis will be offered at a starting price under $30,000 when it goes on sale this summer.

Genesis is built on Hyundai’s all-new, performance-driven rear-wheel-drive architecture. It offers three powertrains, including 3.3-liter and 3.8-liter V6 engines, and Hyundai’s all-new 4.6-liter Tau V8. Tau will produce an estimated 368 horsepower on regular fuel, and lead all its competitors in specific output with 80 horsepower per liter. With technology rivaling more expensive luxury sedans, Genesis showcases features such as XM NavTraffic, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFLS), Smart Cruise Control, Lexicon® audio systems and electronic active head restraints (for a full list of leading features, see page 8).

“While Genesis will compete for customers with cars like Chrysler 300 and Pontiac G8, our engineering benchmarks were Mercedes E-Class, Infiniti M, and Lexus GS,” said John Krafcik, vice president, product development and strategic planning, Hyundai Motor America. “Genesis provides a potent combination of performance, luxury, and value. We think it has the opportunity to be an extremely disruptive force in the large sedan and near-luxury segments.” Genesis ushers in a new era for Hyundai. Its all-new rear-wheel drive architecture will spawn more products in other segments, as suggested by the Concept Genesis Coupe shown at the Los Angeles Auto Show in November 2007.

NEW PERFORMANCE-DRIVEN REAR-WHEEL-DRIVE ARCHITECTURE

Genesis is built on an all-new rear-wheel-drive architecture, its first application in a U.S. Hyundai model. Genesis boasts a near ideal 53/47 front-to-rear weight distribution for exceptional handling and more refined steering characteristics. The rear-wheel-drive layout allowed engineers to position the car’s front wheels farther forward delivering outstanding handling and steering performance. Standard Electronic Stability Control (ESC), the industry’s most important new safety technology, further enhances the vehicle’s driving confidence. Hyundai leads all popular car brands in the standard application of ESC, with more than 70 percent of 2007 Hyundai sales featuring ESC as standard equipment.

Genesis reduces interior noise levels and improves ride and handling with a stiffer, lighter body structure. The use of high tensile steel in critical areas in the unibody provides Genesis with 12-14 percent higher dynamic torsional rigidity and a lower body structure weight than the BMW 5-series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class – despite having a substantially larger cabin than either of those benchmarks. Hyundai Genesis has more interior volume than Mercedes Benz E-Class and BMW 7-Series.

WORLD-CLASS Tau V8

Headlining the Genesis’ performance capabilities is Hyundai’s all-new Tau 4.6-liter V8 engine mated to a ZF 6-speed automatic transmission with SHIFTRONIC® manual control. The Tau V8 delivers an estimated 368 horsepower to fit the demands of performance-oriented consumers. Unlike many competitors and most premium sedans, it achieves this impressive power output using regular unleaded fuel – further demonstration of Hyundai’s commitment to value. This powertrain combination will launch Genesis to 60 miles per hour in less than six seconds. The Tau produces more horsepower and torque than the powerplants found in Lexus GS450, BMW 750i, Audi A8 and Infiniti M45 and has more horsepower per liter than any of its V8 competitors. The Tau engine is built with flexibility for the future. Future Tau variants may offer larger displacement, forced induction options and other technology enhancements.

STRONG LAMBDA V6 PERFORMANCE

Genesis also delivers spirited performance through its two V6 options -- all-aluminum 3.3-liter and 3.8-liter DOHC V6 engines that deliver an estimated 268 horsepower and 233 lb-ft. of torque and an estimated 290 horsepower and 264 lb.-ft. of torque, respectively. To maximize the power spread, the engines utilize Continuously Variable Valve Timing (CVVT) on intake and exhaust cam shafts and a new Variable Intake System (VIS) that helps cylinders breathe efficiently at low and high RPM. The better breathing results in outstanding off-the-line acceleration and passing performance, and remarkable fuel efficiency. The V6 engines use an alloy block and cylinder heads for lighter weight and thermal efficiency, and feature timing chains with no scheduled maintenance. Even with their impressive output, all Genesis engines are also environmentally friendly, with all three achieving Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) certification levels.

ADVANCED 6-SPEED TRANSMISSIONS

Both Genesis V6 engines use an Aisin 6-speed SHIFTRONIC automatic transmission that features an overdrive lock-up torque converter for improved highway fuel economy. The transmission offers smooth shifts and a wide spread of ratios that ideally suit both engine's characteristics including a tall-overdrive sixth gear for quiet, efficient highway cruising. Drivers can access the SHIFTRONIC® feature by moving the gear selector into a separate gate. Pushing the selector forward or pulling it rearward will shift the transmission up or down sequentially, adding to driver control. A clear LCD readout on the instrument panel shows the gear that's in use.

The Tau V8 Genesis is mated with an enhanced, high-output ZF 6-speed transmission to handle the added horsepower and torque.

INNOVATIVE AND SOPHISTICATED SPORT-TUNED SUSPENSION

Genesis features a suspension design that is among the most sophisticated and refined anywhere, at any price. The front five-link suspension features upper and lower arms linking the front wheels to the chassis. This artfully articulated arrangement creates a virtual king pin axis that dramatically reduces unwanted kickback through the steering wheel as well as improving responsiveness. The five-link independent rear suspension is equally sophisticated, enabling precise suspension geometry for a premium ride and engaging handling prowess. The capabilities of the advanced front and rear-suspension are maximized through Amplitude Selective Dampers (ASD) allowing tuning flexibility at smaller damper displacements. The ASD suspension provides:
· Improved ride comfort with more body / wheel control
· Increase driving comfort without compromised handling
· Optimizes road surface contact
· Technology used in Lexus, BMW and Mercedes-Benz models

PROGRESSIVE DESIGN MIRRORS ATHLETIC CAPABILITY



Genesis’ design is a progressive interpretation of the modern rear-wheel drive sports sedan. To match its dynamic capabilities, Genesis combines strong, sculpted forms which integrate precise details, natural materials and innovative lighting to provide a well-crafted, premium design aesthetic.

HIGH-TECH ACCOMMODATIONS AT ACCESSIBLE PRICE POINTS

The new 2009 Genesis is the most advanced Hyundai ever. From its design and spaciousness to its technology and appointments, it delivers a wealth of features and performance befitting flagship European and Asian brands, but delivers them at a much more accessible price point. Starting with its Lexicon state-of-the-art audio system featuring LOGIC 7® technology, Genesis offers an extraordinary combination of technology, premium appointments, and value. Standard is a soft-touch instrument panel with woodgrain accents, Bluetooth® hands-free mobile phone interface, and USB/iPod® auxiliary inputs. A state-of-the-art navigation system with an eight-inch display is available. The navigation unit is accessed by a user-friendly multi-media controller that also controls the radio. Backing out of tight spaces and avoiding mishaps is much easier with the available backup camera that uses the eight-inch display to show the driver a clear view immediately behind the car.

A leather-wrapped dash, door panels, and console lid surround the driver in a luxurious environment, while heated and cooled driver’s seat provides optimal driving comfort. An automatic windshield defogger with humidity sensor and rain-sensing wipers allow crystal clear sight lines. No other car in the segment offers an ultraviolet reflective leather steering wheel, which keeps the surface cool to the touch, even in scorching sunlight. Genesis also offers the conveniences of power rear sunshade, automatic electronic parking brake, proximity key and push button starter.

LEXICON® AUDIO SYSTEMS TEAM WITH XM, HD RADIO™, and APPLE TO OFFER UNRIVALED AUDIO PERFORMANCE AND CHOICE

Rolls Royce Phantom and Hyundai Genesis are the only automobiles to offer a Lexicon-branded state-of-the-art audio system featuring LOGIC 7® technology. The Lexicon® surround sound audio system includes a 12-channel digital amplifier and 17 speakers producing more than 500 watts of sound in 7.1 discrete audio. Genesis is also the first popular brand to offer the clarity of digital HD Radio technology from the factory. Navigation-equipped Genesis models also include a 30-gigabyte hard drive and XM NavTraffic. Like every 2009 Hyundai, Genesis comes standard with XM Satellite Radio. Auxiliary USB and iPod® inputs allow drivers to fully control and charge iPods directly from the head unit.

ADVANCED LIGHTING TECHNOLOGY

The 2009 Genesis offers Xenon high-intensity discharge (HID) headlights. The advantages of HID headlamps include greater lighting power, daylight-type lighting and reduced power consumption. In addition, the cut lines of the new HID headlights are extremely precise, providing maximum nighttime visibility without distracting other drivers. The lamps also feature an auto-leveling function which keeps the headlights level regardless of how the vehicle is loaded with passengers or cargo. Genesis also offers an Automatic Front Lighting System that allows the headlamps to automatically swivel for better visibility when cornering.

NEW TECHNOLOGIES DELIVER IMPROVED SAFETY PERFORMANCE

Maintaining Hyundai's emphasis on delivering leading safety technology, Genesis boasts world-class active and passive safety features to help both prevent accidents, and maximize the well being of its occupants in the event of a collision. The Genesis continues the Hyundai tradition of standardizing key life-saving safety technology such as Electronic Stability Control (ESC), eight airbags and electronic active head restraints.

Genesis' total of eight airbags include advanced dual front airbags, front and rear seat-mounted side-impact airbags, and roof-mounted side curtain airbags for both front and rear outboard seat occupants.

An electronic active head restraint system will debut on the 2009 Hyundai Genesis. Hyundai is the first popular brand to offer electronic active front head restraints, an improvement over mechanically based active head restraint systems. Until now, electronic active head restraints could only be found on select Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Lexus models. Active front head restraints have been proven by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety to help prevent whiplash.

Genesis has a total of 8 ultrasonic sensors located on the front and rear bumpers. The sensors along with the rear backup camera help detect how close objects are when parking. Distance is indicated on the in-dash screen and accompanied by an audible warning tone.

Forward-looking radar is used in Genesis’ Smart Cruise Control system. Smart Cruise Control adjusts vehicle speed to maintain distance from the vehicle ahead in the same lane.

Genesis is brought to a halt by large four-wheel anti-lock disc brakes with Brake Assist and Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD). The 12.6-inch front rotors have single-piston floating calipers and the rear brakes feature 12.4-inch rotors with single-pistons on V6 models. Twin-pistons and larger rotors are featured on V8 models.

WARRANTY

The all-new 2009 Hyundai Genesis is protected by the Hyundai Advantage, America's Best Warranty™. Coverage includes five-year/60,000-mile bumper-to-bumper protection, 10-year/100,000-mile limited powertrain warranty, and seven-year/unlimited mileage anti-perforation coverage. In addition, Genesis buyers receive 24-hour roadside assistance coverage at no extra charge for five years (no mileage limit) and that service includes emergency towing, lockout service and limited coverage for trip-interruption expenses. There is no deductible on any of these coverages.

TECHNOLOGY

· Electronic active front head restraints
· Electronic Stability Control
· Eight airbags
· Heated / cooled seats
· High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps with adaptive leveling
· Adaptive Front Lighting System
· Push-button start
· Navigation with backup camera
· Electric parking brake
· Standard Bluetooth technology
· iPod/USB auxiliary inputs
· HD Radio™ receiver
· XM Satellite Radio® with NavTraffic
· Lexicon® Discrete Surround Audio Systems
· Automatic windshield defogger with humidity sensor
· Rain-sensing wipers
· Smart cruise control
· Five-link front and rear suspension
· Tau V8 engine
· 6-speed transmissions


Some graphs.

http://www.elantraxd.com/photopost/data/500/Screenshot_18.jpg

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I just noticed the pictures of the North American one have a slightly different grill than the Korean one that has that glass piece (again, apparently for some adaptive cruise control). As different as the KDM one is I think I like it better.

[SuperGLS]

Interesting. HyundaiUSA seems to want some help deciding on what grill to use. Either a badged or badgeless one. It seems they are still deciding on wheel choice as well as some interior details.

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6225870/new-cars/2009-hyundai-genesis-grille-ing-decisions/index.html

[Keyan]

290hp and ULEV for th v6?


.....wow

[2002 GLS]

hum.... I really dont like the BIG "H" on the front!
http://image.motortrend.com/f/new-cars/2009-hyundai-genesis-grille-ing-decisions/8185057+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/hyundai-grille-two.jpg
I like this much better... Its more like our XG. NO "H" on the front, it looks much better IMHO. but then yeah, People will not believe it's a Hyundai, so maybe the H on the front would be okay. Nah. I like the kind of sleeper look, keeps you guessing.
http://image.motortrend.com/f/new-cars/2009-hyundai-genesis-grille-ing-decisions/8185024+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/hyundai-grille-one.jpg

[strawb3rrygash3]

for the hyundai genesis, they have a website out with the definite looks of the vehicle, I think its the second picture from the post above me... you can go to www.hyundaigenesis.com and find out the specs. its supposed to have an estimated 368 hp engine, well the 4.6L v8.. and I was reading, like a 12-14% stiffer handling than the nicest bmws and mercedes... what i thought was pretty neat, was the fact that it has not only heated seats, but cooled ones...supposed to... only downside I can see is rear drive in the snow up where I live...... but i'd buy it anywho..... I'd def like to test it out.. if it drives as good as it looks, sign me up....

would the rear drive possibly be made up for by the weight distribution, 53/47 and the anti-slip technology they talk about?

[SuperGLS]

Yeah, all of the engine specs are in the press release I posted above. Yes, the RWD helps achieve the nearly split weight distribution.

[SuperGLS]

I'm not sure if anyone posted this "Launch" (http://www.hyundainews.com/Media_Kits/Video_Clips/Genesis_outdoor/Video_2566.asp) video yet.

And the opening from the auto show. Here (http://www.hyundainews.com/Media_Kits/Video_Clips/2008_Detroit_Auto_Show/Video_2575.asp).

[Matrixloader]

here is a video of the genesis in the autochannel http://youtube.com/watch?v=tboGkXXiYGo

[SuperGLS]

An article about the upcoming Genesis sedan and that apparently Hyundai will air two ads during the Superbowl.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080126/BUSINESS/801260307/1003

[hyunelan2]

Relating to that article: interesting that the 2009 Sonata got pushed up and is out in 2 weeks.

[Matrixloader]

this will be interesting to see.

[rusto85]

I got a poster of the Genesis from the Hyundai rep in the Portland auto show. It's big, and has lots of pretty pictures. It looks like they will go with the 2nd grill. Like the ones in Korea.

[Munky]

Genesis crash test video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhX2Q8X9ha4

[SuperGLS]

Looks pretty safe.

[CornbreadXD]

its a toss up for me between this and the coupe

[SuperGLS]

Looks like the Genesis commercials will be pretty standard and not super extra Superbowl spectacular.

One (http://www.hyundainews.com/Media_Kits/Video_Clips/Super_Bowl_Ad_2/Video_2600.asp) and Two (http://www.hyundainews.com/Media_Kits/Video_Clips/Super_Bowl_Ad_1/Video_2604.asp).

Interesting that they don't mention RWD. Thinking about it though, I don't think Mercedes, BMW, or Lexus really highlight that their cars have RWD either. I do like how they mention the 375HP. "A 375HP Hyundai??!?!?!!!!??!!!" I'm sure will pretty common after the commercials air.

EDIT: Press release for it. I thought it was their first ever Superbowl ad, I was wrong, apparently they had Superbowl ads in 1989 as well.


FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., 01/30/2008 Hyundai Motor America announced plans to advertise during the nation’s largest sporting event, the National Football League’s Super Bowl. Hyundai’s purchase of two 30-second spots during the third and fourth quarters marks the company’s first Super Bowl advertising effort since 1989. The ads will air on the game broadcast Sunday, February 3, 2008.

“The Super Bowl is a must-see event for nearly 100 million people and we want every one of them to know that Hyundai is America’s next great car company,” said Joel Ewanick, vice president of Marketing for Hyundai Motor America. “Hyundai marketing continues to step out in big ways, and the Super Bowl is as big as it gets.”

Goodby, Silverstein & Partners led the creative development. The two all-new spots are consistent in theme and tone with the “Think About It” campaign launched in September 2007. Focused on the all-new Hyundai Genesis rear-wheel drive luxury sedan, the ads challenge traditional assumptions about the luxury category, and position Genesis as a new standard in the upscale sedan category.

“Unlike the majority of Super Bowl advertising which attempts to make the audience laugh, Hyundai’s ads are intended to make the audience think,” said Ewanick. “We want to challenge consumers to continue to see Hyundai in new light. We feel that the unique tone and theme of our two spots will differentiate us from the crowd on Super Bowl Sunday.”

[hyunelan2]

I like commercial 2. "you're probably excpecting some big twist... well, here it is:" show Hyundai symbol

[moonlite5hadow]

I like commercial 2. "you're probably excpecting some big twist... well, here it is:" show Hyundai symbol

thats just epic.

[rusto85]

^ yeah I hear you on that one....as soon as they showed the Hyundai Symbol I went...."F*** Yeah!"

[SuperGLS]

Interesting look at how the Hyundai Pony was the start of the Genesis (you know, it did have RWD, ha).

http://reuters.donga.com/bbs/main.php?tcode=10109&no=530

[SuperGLS]

Apparently the commercials "worked."

From Hyundai:


HYUNDAI SUPER BOWL ADVERTISING YIELDS HIGHEST POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE BRAND

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., 02/18/2008 Hyundai’s Super Bowl advertisements did the best job of boosting brand opinion according to two leading marketing research firms. The Nielsen Online MegaPanel Survey, post-game study showed that 43 percent of respondents had improved their opinion of the Hyundai brand – the highest of any automotive advertiser. In addition, in comScore’s 2008 Super Bowl post-game survey, Hyundai garnered a 45 percent increase in net brand improvement, the highest figure of any Super Bowl advertiser.

“Our goal was not necessarily to entertain, but to inform, build awareness and position the car. We wanted to be thoughtful,” said Joel Ewanick, vice president of Marketing for Hyundai Motor America. “The ads needed to breakthrough the clutter, give the viewer a quiet moment and differentiate Hyundai from what the other companies were doing and it clearly worked.”

Nielsen’s Online MegaPanel Survey Post-Game reported that 43 percent of the respondents said that Hyundai’s Super Bowl ads had improved their opinion of the brand, 57 percent said that the ads told them something new and 45 percent indicated that the ads were believable. Hyundai’s advertisements demonstrated the most positive brand impact of consumer opinion of all auto companies advertising during the Super Bowl according to the Nielsen survey.

comScore, a leader in measuring the digital world, released the results of its annual post-game survey of U.S. Internet users who watched the Super Bowl. Hyundai’s advertisements for the Genesis had the most positive impact on the brand of any Super Bowl advertiser.

Goodby, Silverstein & Partners led the creative development. The two all-new spots are consistent in theme and tone with the “Think About It” campaign launched in September 2007. Focused on the all-new Hyundai Genesis rear-wheel drive luxury sedan, the ads challenged traditional assumptions about the luxury category, and positioned Genesis as a new standard in the upscale sedan category.

[Munky]

Here's a thread on NewTib about a guy who is testing a Genesis for US Consumers..with 3 actual pictures and good detailed descriptions:

http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128684

1 of the 3 Genesis in the United States was just under my command yesterday. It's in the U.S. for testing and I was able to get some seat time. I'll have the keys to it again later today. It was a lot of fun to drive that thing.

It's a V6 with 6-speed auto and a mix-match of USDM and KDM, as some parts are U.S.-spec and some are Korean-spec. For instance, the door sills display "Equus" which is definitely Korean, but the front grille has the Hyundai badge on it which is technically neither Korean nor U.S. But considering the Korean version gets the winged emblem, this is most likely the U.S. version, or at least a prototype being considered for the U.S. market. The steering wheel is also marked with the traditional Equus symbol.

The interior is the same as the camoflouged prototype I test drove in Namyang, Korea last year. It's nice and comfortable. There's a resemblance to the Mercedes S-class and the Infiniti M-class which is no bad thing. It works and the stereo system is great. The upgraded Sonata interior is nice, but this is much better.

The V6 had no problem spinning the rear wheels on command. The only gripe I have is that even with the ESC disabled, stability still kicked in when I got the rear end out. My several attempts at drifting the car resulted in an epic failure due to the techno nannies onboard. I hope the production model will have a full disable feature of the stability control system. Otherwise I'll be "that guy" who cuts the stability control wire harness.

The stability control only kicked in when the rear end was completely out, and up to that point, the chassis felt rigid, stable and controllable. In normal driving, steering was just right; not too heavy or light with a good amount of feedback. But at highway cruising speeds, I thought it was a bit too touchy in the center but it could've been the bad pavement.

Keep in mind that this car has been BEATEN to death and back several times. It has undergone severe testing and the car has been taken apart and put back together many times. It was still very nice, though. I cannot wait to get some seat time in a loaded V8 production version. It would be very, very nice.

Overall, I'm confident that most people who test drive the Genesis will end up buying one. This will be a big hit for Hyundai. RWD is oh so much fun.



Normally I wouldn't post pictures, but it's already been unveiled in Korea so it's no secret. Still, I'm only going to post few pictures for now. I may post more later.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2142/img0170mn4.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6456/img0173hz3.jpg

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2185/img0176iy0.jpg

In a couple of months, I'll have an early production Genesis Coupe on my hands along with a better example of the sedan. I'll post a review then.

I hope you enjoyed the sneak preview.

[Pete03GLS]

wow. that thing looks REALLY REALLY GOOD!!!! the interior is awesome, and the rear end reminds me of a BMW. i love it, but it could use slightly larger wheels i think.

i just dont like the steering wheel... it shud have been a 3 spoke like the tibby wheel is... this wheel looks really... bulky.. but i guess its going to b with all those buttons on it.

[SuperGLS]

That one must be a fairly early model as the grill and the wood dash don't seem to be part of any of the newer ones we've seen.

Still cool.

[hyunelan2]

Agreed. The 2 I sat in looked much more "finished" than those pictures. They also had the upscale grill, not the 'H' grill from those pics.

Here ya go, compare the dash above with the one I sat in:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/IMG_2246.jpg

This one has a bigger screen with all the buttons behind the shifter on the center console, rather than the small screen and dash mounted buttons.


http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/IMG_2248.jpg

[Ugzz]

i want to see a comparison with them both lit up now
im diggin it

[elantra_mn]

We sat in one also at the Mlps auto show. They gave out eyeglass wipes with the genesis on it to anyone who owned a Hyundai. The odd part is that the Hyundai dealer didn't have one to sit in, but one pf the Local dealers did. GF really liked it. I was looking at buying another elantra, but I think I'll wait untill these are about a year old and buy one. Should have my car paid off by then. At a 375 horse powered factory v8,.... why not?

[dmiller66]

If youre having trouble with the badging, do like this one that I saw. Remove the Kia badges, and replace them with Lexus badges. I wasn't fooled, but I'm sure some people are!

[hyunelan2]

Fully loaded = $40K

New Hyundai Genesis To Cross The $40,000 Price Point-Would YOU Pay $40G's For A Hyundai?

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/asset_upload_file725_2555_opt.jpg

AutoSpies.com reader 'Genesis' just floated this nifty little document over to us that shows the pricing structure and option packages for the upcoming Hyundai Genesis.

A loaded unit will cost OVER $40k!

Would YOU pay over $40G's for a Hyundai and does this change your impression of the car?

Can companies like Lexus now breathe a sigh of relief?

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent001/SNAG-0001%203-10-2008.jpg

http://www.autospies.com/images/as-logo-shield.gif (http://www.autospies.com/news/New-Hyundai-Genesis-To-Cross-The-40-000-Price-Point-Would-YOU-Pay-40G-s-For-A-Hyundai-27351/)

[Munky]

^Here's the rest of that:

http://www.crookedh.com/munky/genesis.jpg

[SuperGLS]

I'm too lazy to go back through this thread, but yeah, I think I guessed $35-40K depending on options. I think I started guessing before we knew the 3.8l Lambda would be an available engine.

Cool. Thanks Mike and Cory.

[SuperGLS]

Here's some info from a recent article about some of the US Dealers meeting in Seoul with the HMC Chairman.


Hyundai Motor is pinning high hopes on its Genesis luxury sedan. The new high-end model has been receiving favorable responses ahead of its U.S. launch in June.

But Hyundai has yet to reach an agreement with dealers over the price of the Genesis. U.S. dealers want to sell it for US$32,000 to $33,000, while Hyundai is considering setting its price higher than that.

[mbv2001]

i really think this will be my next car,once i can find one used.lol

[Keyan]

i wish i could have sat in one at the NYIAS but they didnt have one on the floor. they did have a coupe but it was locked.

[hyunelan2]

If they price it much higher than $30K, it all but gaurantees I buy a G8 for my next car... I hope they don't do that, I really liked the Genesis when I sat in it!

[Tx_boy]

^^Yep cause da G8 with the V8 is like what 33K!

[hyunelan2]

^^Yep cause da G8 with the V8 is like what 33K!

G8 GT with the 6.0L is $29K Less with the 6-cyl ($27K)

But yes, fully loaded GT with every option is $32,745... which may be under the starting price of the Genesis v6 if Hyundai gets its way

[2001GLS]

I think Hyundai needs to be careful with the Genesis. It's a very nice car but if it gets much past $35k I don't think it will sell without major cash off and incentives. Much as I love Hyundai, just recently was I ok with dropping almost $20k for one. There are a lot more options when you get into the $35-40k range..... Now if they can get this thing out the door well loaded up in the $30-32k price point they will have a huge hit.

[Tx_boy]

G8 GT with the 6.0L is $29K Less with the 6-cyl ($27K)

But yes, fully loaded GT with every option is $32,745... which may be under the starting price of the Genesis v6 if Hyundai gets its way

That is what I thought cause ever since I saw the G8 I was in love with it!!!!!
I would rather get the Genesis because it looks just more luxurious than the g8 but if the G8 is cheaper than why not!!!!!!

[hyunelan2]

yeah, I could justify maybe $1K-2K more for the luxury of the Genesis (if we're talking a lot of options on it). Any more than that and I'll turn my head and look elsewhere.

Something interesting: I just checked my dealer's new inventory for Azeras. They have 2. One is a 2007 (still) Azera Limited = $31,225. The other is a 2008 Azera Limited at $31,220. If they are selling Azeras at $31K, there's no hope the Genesis will be near that mark. :(

[Tx_boy]

Pretty much and that really sucks cause I have like 62K worry free miles on my elantra and I beat da hell out of it so I am really a Hyundai guy now just like my mom with an elantra and a sonata. But $40K there is now way cause I could get a Genesis coupe and have like $15K to mod or a G8 and have like $5K for rims and mods!

[golfino]

Not Bad

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=126514?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2 .*

[Pete03GLS]

could have been posted in the genesis sedan thread.

[golfino]

Another one

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/family_four_doors/2009_hyundai_genesis_4_6_short_take_road_test

[Munky]

Search + "Genesis Sedan" + ~5 seconds = http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21967&highlight=genesis+sedan

/thread

[golfino]

Another One

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0808_2009_hyundai_genesis/index.html

@#%#$%^ sorry about that, Could a moderator move them

[SuperGLS]

Thanks for posting these. Good too see that everyone is liking the Genesis thus far. Let's wait and see how the sales numbers go.

[Kingyum]

Has anyone looked at the 09 genesis coupe? thoughts?

[SuperGLS]

Has anyone looked at the 09 genesis coupe? thoughts?

There is another thread about it. Take a look and ask your questions there.

[2001GLS]

I'm thinking with the rapid rise in gas prices, sales of the Genesis could be hurt somewhat. I expect they'll be producing a lot more 3.8's and much fewer of the V8 models. It's a shame Hyundai is going to have bad timing with the launch of this vehicle, right into an economic downturn.

Update:

Genesis pricing announced:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/28/hyundai-genesis-sedan-to-start-at-33k/3#comments

Starting price $33,000 for a 3.8L V6 model and $38,000 for a 4.6L V8 model.

I think Hyundai missed their price point on the low end by at least $3-4k. If you're looking strictly at performance, I'd be checking out the Pontiac G8 for considerably less money.

[SuperGLS]

Pricing announced. $33-38K.


HYUNDAI ANNOUNCES ALL-NEW FLAGSHIP GENESIS SEDAN PRICING

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, CALIF., 05/28/2008 Hyundai Motor America has announced prices for its new flagship, the all-new Genesis sports sedan, starting at $33,000 for a well-equipped 290-horsepower V6 and $38,000 for the 375-horsepower V8 model.
“When we first showed the production Genesis earlier this year, we committed to deliver the interior package of flagship European luxury sedans, world-class driving dynamics, and pricing comparable to entry-level premium brand vehicles,” said John Krafcik, vice president, product development and strategic planning, Hyundai Motor America “Today, we’re delivering on a key part of that commitment, with a very well-equipped Genesis sedan priced below the most basic Infiniti G35 or BMW 3-Series.”

While Genesis will compete for customers with cars like Lexus ES, Chrysler 300 and Cadillac CTS, Genesis’ performance capabilities and luxury features are comparable to sedans costing tens of thousands of dollars more. With base prices of $33,000 for a well-equipped 3.8-liter V6, and $38,000 for a 4.6-liter V8, Genesis makes a premium driving experience accessible to a wide range of customers. Genesis goes on sale at Hyundai dealerships in July, delivering the kind of value equation American car buyers have come to expect from Hyundai.

Genesis is built on Hyundai’s all-new, performance-driven rear-wheel-drive architecture, with an advanced five-link suspension at all four corners. It offers two powertrains, the 290-horsepower Lambda 3.8-liter V6 engine mated to an Aisin six-speed automatic transmission, and Hyundai’s all-new Tau 4.6-liter V8 engine mated to a ZF six-speed automatic transmission. Both deliver outstanding fuel economy. The Tau produces 375 horsepower using premium fuel and 368 horsepower using regular unleaded, leading all competitors in specific output (horsepower per liter), while also outperforming all V8 performance sedans with a projected fuel economy estimate of 17 city/25 highway. Genesis 3.8 achieves EPA fuel economy estimates of 18 city/27 highway, which outperforms the V6 engines in many smaller, mid-size cars (e.g., Nissan Altima, Ford Fusion) on the highway. With technology rivaling more expensive luxury sedans, Genesis showcases features such as XM NavTraffic, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFLS), Lexicon® audio systems and electronic active head restraints.

Genesis 3.8 – Standard Equipment

All Genesis 3.8 models come very well-equipped, including a 3.8-liter DOHC V6 engine, Aisin six-speed automatic transmission with ShiftronicTM, Electronic Stability Control (ESC) with traction control, Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) and 17-inch alloy wheels with P225/55R17 tires. Additional standard equipment includes advanced front airbags, front and rear seat-mounted side airbags, roof-mounted side curtain airbags, electronic front head restraints, fog lamps, automatic headlights, dual power heated side mirrors with turn signal indicators, leather seating surfaces with heated front seats, power seats, cruise control, Hyundai’s signature white and blue interior lighting with electroluminescent cluster, proximity entry with electric push button start, leather-wrapped tilt steering wheel with audio controls, dual front fully automatic HVAC, electrochromic auto-dimming interior rearview mirror with Homelink and compass, AM/FM/CD/MP3/XM (3-month subscription) with iPod/USB and auxiliary input jacks, Bluetooth and floor mats.

Genesis 4.6 – Standard Equipment

The Genesis 4.6 builds on the standard equipment found on the Genesis 3.8, adding a 4.6-liter DOHC V8, ZF six-speed automatic transmission, unique 18-inch hyper-silver alloy wheels with P235/50R18-inch tires, chrome lower bodyside moldings, ultra-premium leather seating surfaces, leather-wrapped dash and door trim inserts, power glass sunroof with tilt and slide, power tilt and telescopic steering column, integrated memory system, Lexicon 15-speaker surround sound audio system, six-disc CD changer, illuminated scuff plates, wood-trimmed leather steering wheel, electrochromic auto-dimming interior rearview mirror with Homelink and compass, power rear sunshade and rain-sensing wipers with auto defogger windshield.

[CornbreadXD]

wtf, too much money for me i'd thought it was gonna be alot cheaper like 32k for the v8 i want the 2dr anyway

[2001GLS]

Unless Hyundai runs some awesome lease deals on these or some big $$ money off incentives I think the $33k price is a bit too high still. I was assuming you'd be able to get a V8 model for about $35k tops.

[SuperGLS]

The price for what you are getting is very competitive. All it's going to take is good reviews and people getting over "it's a Hyundai" and there will be good sales numbers.

[CornbreadXD]

actually with gas prices how they are 33k really seems beyond my budget because i'd have to get the v8, my dads buick lucerne gets 18mpg in the city and his car is like a small boat. and wtf where is the 6spd manual?

[rusto85]

I don't think they'll have a 6spd manual, for what I understood there's a paddle shift tranny on the process for it. Seems logical since the car is focused more on the luxury market. I don't know if the beemers do, but all I have seen on the new BMWs is auto with paddle shift.

[CornbreadXD]

that sucks, i swear they make cars easier to drive and harder to work on nowadays (less fun all around)

[Pete03GLS]

ha, true that man... i dont think id ever buy a car with paddle shift... im just too old fashioned... ill take the regular stick shift over paddles any day... unless im buying a lambo or ferrari or something...

[hyunelan2]

The "Good" paddle-shift systems are just as fast through the gears, if not faster, than the standard stick-shift type. I think a lot of them get a bad name from the slow, first-gen, shiftronic systems.

[CornbreadXD]

yeah but your foot doesn't move

[hyunelan2]

Exactly, less to screw up. Short, precise, quick shifting.

[CornbreadXD]

booo! practice shifting and the driver would screw up less. i want total control of the car i don't need computer assistance. and did you guys know at least around my area there is no way for one to learn how to drive manual, you'd have to learn by someone that owns one or learn by yourself. dumbing cars down so everyone can drive is a bad idea

[Munky]

Man, this car looks amazing.

Hard to believe it's a Hyundai.

[Keyan]

if they came stock that way, THAT would be amazing.

[SuperGLS]

I think the only thing that isn't stock are the wheels, the rest of the stuff I believe is all Korean OEM stuff (grill, badges, chrome accents, etc). Not sure on the exhaust.

And it drives wonderfully.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Brembos aren't stock.

[Munky]

Introducing... The Hyundai Genesis : DUB Editions

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/genesisb_04.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/genesisw_06.jpg

[hyunelan2]

I like the white one.

[Munky]

The black would look better if they didn't put black wheels on it as well.

[silversharkXD2]

the calipers look like they say "dub". what a shame

[Qyn]

It's cool to see an aftermarket company pimping out a Hyundai. Dunno if I like the white one, even the black one could be less... shiny.

[joph09]

I love the white one.

It's cool to see an aftermarket company pimping out a Hyundai. Dunno if I like the white one, even the black one could be less... shiny.

Less shiny? so you'd like it to be dirty? There's not alot of chrome on the black one.

[Qyn]

I meant it's hard to see the lines/detail with all the light reflections.

[SuperGLS]

Munky, where'd you get these pictures from?

I like the white one, although the wheels are kind of eww.

[Munky]

Munky, where'd you get these pictures from?

I like the white one, although the wheels are kind of eww.

Someone on a local forum found them posted up on NASIOC. (North American Subaru Impreza Owner's Club)

[Qyn]

Do you do anything but read forums, Munky?

[silversharkXD2]

^+1..

[Keyan]

wwwwwwowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww................ sex. is that the stock grille? i forget.

[Munky]

Do you do anything but read forums, Munky?

At work..not really. I have 5 people working for me right now..why should I get up?

[2002 GLS]

The white one looks MB'ISH. LOl. :D Its nice tho because its a Hyundai, and not a MB..

[SuperGLS]

Yeah that's the stock grill.

And Munky, how dare you think you have to explain what NASIOC is to me. The question was more like, do you know what event they were from?

[SuperGLS]

Genesis earns 5 star crash rating.


2009 HYUNDAI GENESIS DELIVERS NHTSA FIVE-STAR SAFETY RATINGS

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., 08/27/2008 The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) awarded five-star crash test ratings, the highest government rankings under the agency’s New Car Assessment Program, to the all-new 2009 Hyundai Genesis for both frontal and side-impact crash tests.
“Genesis was engineered with a lightweight but strong body shell, featuring ultra-high tensile steel, laser welding, and advanced adhesive bonding,” said John Krafcik, vice president of Strategic Planning and Product Development, Hyundai Motor America. “Add eight airbags and electronic active head restraints and you can see the focus we placed on designing Genesis for occupant safety. These five-star results are just one indication of the dedication Hyundai engineers place on safety.”

Maintaining Hyundai's emphasis on delivering leading safety technology, Genesis boasts world-class active and passive safety features that both prevent accidents and maximize the well-being of its occupants in the event of a collision. The Genesis continues the Hyundai tradition of standardizing key life-saving safety technology, with features such as Electronic Stability Control (ESC), eight airbags and electronic active head restraints.

ESC compares the driver’s intended course with the vehicle’s actual response. It then brakes individual front or rear wheels and/or reduces engine power as needed in certain driving circumstances to help correct understeer or oversteer.

Genesis' eight airbags include advanced dual front airbags, front and rear seat-mounted side-impact airbags, and roof-mounted side curtain airbags for both front and rear outboard seat occupants.

Hyundai is the first popular brand to offer electronic active front head restraints, a standard feature on the 2009 Genesis, which are an improvement over mechanically-based active head restraint systems. Until now, electronic active head restraints could only be found on select Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Lexus models. Active front head restraints have been proven by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety to help prevent whiplash.

Genesis is brought to a halt by large four-wheel anti-lock disc brakes with Brake Assist and Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD). The V6 models feature 12.6-inch front rotors with single-piston floating calipers, while the V8 models feature 13-inch front rotors with four-piston calipers. All models are equipped with 12.4-inch rear rotors.

[Munky]

And Munky, how dare you think you have to explain what NASIOC is to me. The question was more like, do you know what event they were from?

:abovelol:

No idea what event it was.

[Qyn]

http://www.autonet.ca/autos/search/newmodels/2008/07/14/6153501.html

New Review. Highlights:

"A notable feature in the technology package option is the 17-speaker Lexicon 7.1 surround sound stereo system. Apparently, it’s the same system found in the Rolls Royce Phantom, the only other automaker for which Lexicon produced car audio systems."

"Hyundai is realistic about sales targets, expecting to sell a mere 300 of them in the remainder of 2008, and only 1,000 next year, knowing that the conquests will take time."

[Spectre]

This goes to show how much Hyundai has stepped up its game. Honda has always bragged about their safety ratings, Toyota about their reliability and Nissan about their cars performance. Hyundai seems to be after all of these things that these car companies brag about. Honda, Toyota and Nissan better watch out.

[cobase]

I think those sales expectations are incorrect. They sold 1,177 in August alone, so unless they expect a Great Depression in the last two months..?

[Munky]

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[i8acobra]

^^^^^^^^^^
http://www.forumspile.com/CantSee-RayCharles.jpg

For some reason, images hosted at sites without "www." in them don't seem to show up here.

[Keyan]

I saw a Genesis 4 door on the streets today with a dealer plate and the genesis wings instead of a H symbol. i thought it was a bentley for a second, haha

[Munky]

^^^^^^^^^^
http://www.forumspile.com/CantSee-RayCharles.jpg

For some reason, images hosted at sites without "www." in them don't seem to show up here.

They all show up for me.

[yoodk64]

I don't see any pics...:confused::confused:

[Keyan]

munky forgot a [

[Munky]

munky forgot a [

Nope, I double checked it when he said something. It must have something to do with the file names. I'll rehost them.

Edit: Nvm, I see what you're talking about. :tongue:

[SuperGLS]

Linking from Bobaedream has always been tricky for some reason.

[i8acobra]

They all show up for me.

They're cached on your computer.

I'm telling you, the board doesn't recognize URL's without "www". Same thing happened when someone posted pics of their dog. There was no, "www" so the images didn't show up.

[Munky]

Pictures fixed.

They're cached on your computer.

They showed up on my Linux box as well, and I know I haven't looked at those pics from there. I think computers just hate me... :(

[i8acobra]

They work now. You web address has "www" now.

[Munky]

They work now. You web address has "www" now.

Yeah...I just rehosted them. ;)

[Tx_boy]

I like how they have the fold up screen for the back seat like they do in the 300 SRT-8!

[Qyn]

Genesis wins Best Canadian Luxury Car Under $50,000:
http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/448545