Tri-flow camshafts for Beta engines

[reallyflycouple]

My old friend up in Vancouver happens to be a vetran Camshaft designer. He's the best. He can take any cam, from anything and redesign it for any use. Yes, he can prep Beta I cams for turbo applications too!! He just did a set for a 97-01 Tibby. I didn't hear what the results are though. I've asked him what he would charge me for Beta II cams and if he's interested in the challenge.

He uses your stock cams from your engine, welds material on if needed and grinds the new profile to his design. He's a genius!! I've tried his products in the past and was very happy. The best is the price is usually half the sticker price of what everybody is buying online. The best part about dealing with him is that if your developing a experimental cam and your not completely happy with it, he usually doesn't charge a second grind. He's more interested in a successful product being on the road.

I'm going to talk with him and see what he can do for both BETA versions and what kind of costs involved. If everyone is interested, and better price might be possible. Be patient, he's slow with the emails so this will take a week or so.

[jalmir]

hum, sounds interesting! :D

[PSUsouthpaw]

I wonder if anyone could figure out an effective Cam design for CVVT motors.

1111th post!

[evan938]

this may be the same guy slow2k2gt went to. i know i was talking to him about it a year or two ago, and he said his guy did the same thing. weld material, then grind down to specs. he said with his, the part that was welded on kept having pieces break off, and eventually, he put some stock cams back in

[reallyflycouple]

I know the quality of his work and I'm sure that's not his work. The cams look better than new when he ships them back. As for mapping the CVVT for better performance, many people have improved upon the Honda Ivtec cam profiles including my buddy Geoff. I think that there is a lot of room for improvement considering these engines run a decent stock compression ratio.

[Silentwolf]

If price to performance and durabilty are good I would certainly consider it. I think $300-400 would be a good range assuming the cams could be made to improve on N/A motors and not just FI motors.

[reallyflycouple]

He makes the cams to your preference. Turbo, supercharged, and NA profiles. If you want torque cams, or pure drag cams, he'll make em..... I'm not kidding when I say he's a freakin genius!! The last set of Integra cams I had ground with him cost me $240can. Plus shipping and tax. That's a 16v twin cam. Not bad??

[jalmir]

Damn! that's a great price for custom cams!!!

[KeWLKaT]

Usually you would need a tune to run an aggressive set of cams and get the most out of them.

[Silentwolf]

Hence an SMT6 control ;)

[KeWLKaT]

Yep! SMT6 FTW!

If only my damn crank sensor problem wasn't there my clutch would've been broken in already and I would be installing the smt6 anytime soon! Dammit!

[Cypher]

with regrinds you have to be sure to BREAK THEM IN PROPERLY. it sounds off but for breaking them in its my understanding you have to hold the throttle at about 3k (might be less) for 10-15 minutes then change the oil (just in case of any metal fragments). i'm not 100% on this sinec i've never done it and its been awhile since i've talked to my buddy about it.

I have stock cams at my house. tell me where to send them ;)

[Jonny666]

+1 send me info as soon as you hear back from your buddy on this one.

[reallyflycouple]

If anyone is interested in his website, here it is....

www.coltcams.com

I didn't want to flood him with emails and phone calls regarding costs and profiles by having everybody call him.
I'll let everyone know shorty what he has to offer.

[theWorst]

nice site. definitely interested.

[tharptroy]

sounds too cheap for hard welding a cam and refacing it.

and I really dont have much interest in getting a cam with a reduced base circle and shimming the...shims to meet specs.

but if he could hard weld and reface for around $500 US, it would be a pretty good price. crower charges $840 to hard weld and reface a pair of cams.

[mayollo072R]

Nice hearing that Will be on the watch

[reallyflycouple]

from what I remember, he use to supply the correct shims to correct the differences. It's been a while though. He at least could give you before and after numbers so that you could go to the dealer and order the exact ones without having to measure anything.

I still haven't received a email back....(thursday morning)
patiences.........

[Jonny666]

It's deffinatly an interesting design to stagger the valve openings... I just wonder if it actually works.

[reallyflycouple]

It does....think about the fuel economy and horsepower hondas generate....The cams they run have always been that design. All of them.

[Jonny666]

well,
I've got a set of core's sitting around waiting for regrind's anyways. I'd much rather deal with a canadian company than someone from the state's. let us all know what the prices and grinds available are and i'll be the first one on board as long as it's reasnable. and i checked the site. it looks like the 200 price range is just a regrind. However.... if he supplies the shim's..... i'd have no problem running a regrind.

[reallyflycouple]

Well, I got one email back.
He is trying to get hold of the Tiburon customer to get definite numbers of performance gains and overal opinions. He said he'd get back to me as soon as he did.
I am going to call him next wednesday to talk to him. I'll let everyone know as soon as I do.

[slow 2K2GT]

ok so heres the question for you. I talked to the lads down at Crower Cams and they said $100 US per cam and they would grind to whatever spec I wanted. Since you are here in Canada it would be easier to send my stuff to you and your buddy for some work? The only thing is that Crower has F/I specs that they can grind the cams to. Let me know please!

[Jonny666]

I guess the question becomes.....
what are the limit's of a regrind as far as lift and duration goes?
I would assume we cant regrind to 270 degree's.
how far can we go?

[slow 2K2GT]

Thats the question, I would need to contact Crower with MAX grinding specs, I know they do hardfacing as well but thats some big money. I contacted KDMguy about hi-cam specs just to see what was available and to send them along to Crower to see the possibilities.

[Soron]

I know its been awhile since I was on last but this post got me interested, if a new set of cams can help save me gas (especially in these times and in the future) then I am all for it!

[slow 2K2GT]

I know its been awhile since I was on last but this post got me interested, if a new set of cams can help save me gas (especially in these times and in the future) then I am all for it!

Umm cams wont help you save gas, if anything they will cost you more.

[Soron]

It does....think about the fuel economy and horsepower hondas generate....The cams they run have always been that design. All of them.

according to that quote it looks like it might be related so theoretically if he had cams like the hondas wouldent it stand to reason that we could get the same fuel economy then (i.e. gas savings) ?

[Keyan]

i would be highly interested in doing this if when its said and done the regrind is less than $500...

[reallyflycouple]

keep in mind, he can make the cams into anything....
when he welds material onto the lobes, the then shapes them into whatever he wants. More duration, and more lift. It's all artwork!!

[tharptroy]

according to that quote it looks like it might be related so theoretically if he had cams like the hondas wouldent it stand to reason that we could get the same fuel economy then (i.e. gas savings) ?

I suppose you could have him grind some off of your cams to shift the powerband lower, and you'd have the possibility of better fuel economy.

my suggestion? buy a motorcycle

[Soron]

funny, i'll keep my car thanks.

[mayollo072R]

keep in mind, he can make the cams into anything....
when he welds material onto the lobes, the then shapes them into whatever he wants. More duration, and more lift. It's all artwork!!

You got any news on this?

[reallyflycouple]

Wednesday!!!....I'll call him in the morning and get more details.

[Keyan]

I emailed this company, waiting for responce on a price quote. I am picking up a set of used CVVT cams from a guy a town over from me and I will be shipping them out as soon as I can lol.

[Keyan]

I got an email back from them, I inquired about cams for CVVT, here is the responce:

To Keyan,
Thank-you, for contacting us.
Sorry we have not seen this model as of yet.
However, I have been working with cams for over 25 years and designing
something new has always been my one of my passions.
A few questions need to be answered first on the valve trane, example: solid
or Hyd lifters, roller or flat tappet, sohc or dohc etc.
We would need to see your cam first to determine what the stock lift and
duration is. At this point I can design something with you over telephone
that will suit what you're after as well as cost.
There is no charge if we can't do anything for you. We will also pay for
the return shipping back to you if this is the case.
If you are interested please give us a call at your convenience and I will
go over the details.
Thank-you,
Geoff Bardal
FOR OUR U.S. CUSTOMERS REGARDING SHIPPING
When sending in your cams, via any courier service or the post office.
Please put as the value of the cams to be under $10.00.
This falls under NAFTA and no duty charges will be inflicted on you.
Please put on the waybill as well as on the package.
"Damaged Camshaft for Repair and Return"
PAYMENT
We only accept International Money Orders in US funds made out to Colt Cams
Inc.
COLT CAMS INC.
#54 - 3347 262 nd Street
Langley, BC
V4W 3V9
TEL: (604) 856-3571
FAX: (604) 856-3572
www.coltcams.com
geoff1@coltcams.com




-----Original Message-----
From: keyan@earthlink.net [mailto:keyan@earthlink.net]
Sent: June-16-07 6:40 PM
To: John@trollmedia.com; ilona@coltcams.com
Subject: Inquiry from Coltcams.com

James Mioduszewski
E-mail: keyan@earthlink.net
Phone number: 973 997 3955
City: Sparta NJ
Country: USA
ZIP: 07871
Transmission: Manual
Fuel Delivery: Fuel Injection
Intended Use: Street/Strip
Additional information: I have spare cams for a 2005 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L w/
Valve Timing Solenoid (on exhaust cam) that I would like to get regrinds
done on with tri-flow technology. I'd like to get a quote in price and if
you have any profiles ready made for this kind of vehicle? Thanks.

[reallyflycouple]

Great, I talked to him today as well. So your email will tie into this. He's designed a Tri-flow cam profile for the 97-01 Tiburon. He prepared 3 stages and the one that was ground was a stage 2 profile. He still hasn't received any results or phone call from the guy to back up anything yet.

He told me that he'd look at any camshaft and let you know what can be done. However, it takes him a while to do as he creates dummy cams out of billet material for sampling and examining. He said about 3 weeks with the current load he has. He'd love someone to send out their spare cams in hopes that he could be the pioneer of fresh designs for our cars.

Anyone who does send him their cams and is patient and willing to be a test subject will get a discount from him. He told me the Tibby cams cost the guy $420 US with shipping. VERY REASONABLE!!!

He said for anyone to call him or email him in regards to what they would like to do. Give him as much info as possible to make sure he creates the best design for what you have.

I think I covered everything. As for retail costs, he can't estimate yet as he doesn't know exactly whats needed.

And, don't worry about reshimming your lash adjusters, he told me everything stays exactly the same. No adjustments needed!!!

I'm surprised there isn't more people excited about this!

I'm really hoping the guy with the Tibby will call back with positive results.

[bhurlin]

We will have the final results on this on tuesday of this week, we have also got the cvvt versions ready to go.

Bill

[slow 2K2GT]

We will have the final results on this on tuesday of this week, we have also got the cvvt versions ready to go.

Bill

So what ever happened to the guy with the Tibby? Results would be good to know for sure. I am interested in a set but would need them for a boosted setup.

[Cypher]

he'll have his results for his after dyno on tuesday of this week!

[reallyflycouple]

Finally!!!

[bhurlin]

Final results should be here today, I can't wait!!

[slow 2K2GT]

Perfect!

[PSUsouthpaw]

Any luck yet?

[jalmir]

cool ... can't wait to see the results! :D

[yamaha]

Teh results?

[TX-GT]

Anything? Hello?

[slow 2K2GT]

Hello anyone...Bueler, Bueler, Bueler???

[Keyan]

apparently redzman has too much other stuff to do and MAY get to it tomorrow.

[PSUsouthpaw]

apparently redzman has too much other stuff to do and MAY get to it tomorrow.

We're all eagerly waiting.

[Cypher]

yup. i've been being a PITA bumping his thread asking for results hahaha

hes scheduled for 11:15 this morning. lets hope he gets it done

[KeWLKaT]

apparently redzman has too much other stuff to do and MAY get to it tomorrow.

Yeah. He says that about ANYTHING.

[slow 2K2GT]

well its been like 4 days...WHERE THE FAWK ARE THE DYNO NUMBERS!

[KeWLKaT]

Hmmm I had the feeling this would happen, ha.

[ABQelantra]

REDZMAN had issues with his car the day of the dyno. He is trying to resolve those first and then dyno.

[slow 2K2GT]

Of course, car runs fine up until its dyno time...good to know!

[yamaha]

You guys can borrow my Shark Racing camshafts!

























just kidding

[tharptroy]

Of course, car runs fine up until its dyno time...good to know!

hopefully its not cam related valvetrain failure;)

Im actually interested to see the results on this

[slow 2K2GT]

hopefully its not cam related valvetrain failure;)

Im actually interested to see the results on this

I spoke to REDZMAN on ocassion over at NT and he said that his cams were in and the car was running just fine. I was looking for the PMs but their database crashed so I dont have em anymore. Regardless, bhurlin knows we are waiting on results anxiously, he should at least come back and say what isnt going on.

[slow 2K2GT]

Ok good thing that its been a week and nothing has happened with this not even an update from someone...

I guess this was all bull**** then....no? Prove me wrong!!!!

[PSUsouthpaw]

This seemed so promising...please tell me something is still afoot with these?

[tharptroy]

seriously man, whats the deal? I was planning on buying a set for when I change my timing belt.

[slow 2K2GT]

Well another fall through project for the Hyundai community...Too bad they chose someone to test their product who is just waaaaaaaay to busy to get any results on paper.

Boo!

[Keyan]

Colt Cams is currently designing cvvt and non cvvt cams. waiting to hear back.

[slow 2K2GT]

Colt Cams is currently designing cvvt and non cvvt cams. waiting to hear back.

Yes but they gave a prototype set to REDZMAN to get a dyno with, nothing ever came of it.

[Cypher]

you'll have your results, maybe not now but in time you will ;)

[slow 2K2GT]

yeah and Christmas is coming too isnt it?

[Cypher]

well in 4 months i suppose!

[slow 2K2GT]

And another week goes by...Crower here I come!

[Cypher]

I know how you feel, I'm thinking about calling a place local to me that does regrinds.