Just a thought

[slow 2K2GT]

Most of us have done the coolant bypass mod right? Well I got to thinking yesterday that if ayou are able to install an additional oil cooler to your system that you should be able to hook up a ice type system for your TB. This could be used for track purposes under hot conditions in conjunction with ice on the manifold between runs. If you were able to pump ice cold liquid through the nipples on your TB you could in theory lower intake charge temps a few deg. There would be no requirement for a cooler, just a pump and a resevoir, once the fluid has heated up after a run or two replace it with new cold liquid (ie, washer fluid kept cold by intake manifold ice in cooler).

I know it may be dumb but its just a thought.

[kylemorg]

Interesting idea. I don't think there's enough surface area in the inside of the TB coolant system to do a whole lot of cooling -- it was only designed to warm the TB a little bit to prevent the disk from freezing up.

It's interesting that you mention that -- I was considering custom-building a tube type system that enclosed the intake pipes to the engine head that would have a coolant run through it, similar to what you were suggesting... my idea would be more difficult since there'd be a lot of places to seal the outer shell of the cooler on the manifold.

I don't see what your TB cooler idea could hurt, though. If you had the parts it would be worth a try.

[06elantra]

interesting thought - but probably only really useful on turbo engines maybe?

the good thing about tempurature, is that it spreads to 'consume' a whole surface while it is trying to cool down to atmo temp - meaning that the whole TB would get freezing cold pretty quickly - and it should in theory hold the temp....
it would take a whole for the metal in the TB to absorb the coldness you are putting thru it, but once its down to a 'cold' temp, it should hold it for a little while (in theory im sure)

be an interesting mod - but i would personally suggest a large resovoir for your ice-cold-liquid.
I dont think ice itself would be a good idea - the TB as said above will have small passages - and you dont want ice getting stuck even for a moment in there.

(btw - i havnt done the coolant bypass mod as yet)

[vladj]

its an interesting idea. it would work better if your going to have a coller on it like an automatic transmission cooler to cool it. but the only question will it be enough to get at least 1 hp out of it?

[PSUsouthpaw]

I think I posted something about this a year or two back...

Yup.

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13954&highlight=cooling+intake+manifold

[slyderdai]

Why not some sort of Co2 injection to the throttle body? like the Cryo2 kit from DEI. somewhere along those lines?

[Keyan]

you guys want to kill yourselves?

i've built a home made co2 cooling system for my friend's golf, and i'll tell you, your fingers will freeze to the lines they get so cold.


your throttle body will freeze open at full throttle


anyone who tries this is a dumbass.

[vladj]

im actually thinking of trying this. here is what i want to do:
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/vladj/intakecooling.jpg

what do you guys think

[BColeman]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
anyone who tries this is a dumbass.

Enough Said ! ! !

[vladj]

it will be routed to a switch which will only be turned on when needed and not all the time. its like nitrous oxide it will blow ur engine if its on all the time but not if you use it sometimes only

[ricerrx7]

Wow. Just...
Wow.

[slow 2K2GT]

like I said just a thought. I know that the cryo will freeze the TB open, I was thinking more along the line of chilled washer fluid too cool it down...not freeze. There is a lot of heat soak through the motor and yes its easier to get phonelic spacers for everything but I was just throwing ideas around.

[BColeman]

No, it's a great idea. But I think the motor in general would benefit equally with cooler water. I would think the right thing to do is upgrade the radiator first, then the fans, and then the actual "coolant" in the system. Then adding an in-line cooler to the TB wouldn't be such a bad idea.

But at that point, we are talking about having a pump, a lot of line, a cooler somewhere up front with a fan, and then you are just adding weight to an already heafty front end. Not to mention the problems that could most certainly arise. Most people would just want to use plain water, and that's only OKAY in a Race Only application. That water sitting in there overnight will start to corrode and eventually create either rust or some other kind of ugly growth. Now if you really want to get ingenious about, the liquids to use would be 2 bottles of Water Wetter mixed in a 60/40 solution of water/anitfreeze.

[ricerrx7]

^You want the coolant to be hot, you don't want to make it colder than it is at the moment. The way to make power is hot engine, cold air. If you cool off the engine itself, you'll induce more wear, worse emissions, and incomplete combustion.

[slow 2K2GT]

^You want the coolant to be hot, you don't want to make it colder than it is at the moment. The way to make power is hot engine, cold air. If you cool off the engine itself, you'll induce more wear, worse emissions, and incomplete combustion.

I understand that as well but if you could effectively cool air by having a TB that was say 5deg C that would cool the air. If you had a spacer on your IM the cool air from the TB would be less effected due to the heat soak from the motor. As long as you dont mess with the operating temp of your engine then you have no worries about the negative effects. So cooling your TB and IM is a safe and viable way to cool the intake charge.

The setup I was talking about in the first place would only be used for track environment. Hook up hoses and power to the pump, no need for a rad or fan because the liquid would be chilled prior to use, just dump and pump. When the fluid is hot, empty the tank and replace fluid. At the end of the night unhook it and put stock hose back on the TB.

[ricerrx7]

Read the post above my previous post.
I actually have a phenolic spacer, and love it.

[vladj]

sooooooo....is anyone going to try this? or will i have to?

[Vampyrate]

im only gonna say this 100 times today:

"Thinking causes migranes and some types of genital cancer... try to do it at a minimum"

[ricerrx7]

sooooooo....is anyone going to try this? or will i have to?

Be our guest!

[slow 2K2GT]

You can go ahead like I said it was just a thought...my route seems a little easier than yours due to it only being a track application and will come off once im done with it.

Right now I have more important things to concentrate on.