was 9/11 a planned disaster?

[slow 2K2GT]

I know there is a whole lot wrong with the world today but...well watch this video and the others in the collection, they are linked in the same window and I think there are 8 or 9 in total...but some are less than a minute long.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw&mode=related&search=

[ricerrx7]

Here's the way I think of it; It happened, I'm never going to know 100% who was behind it, but it's not really affecting me so oh well. I'm not saying that I don't feel bad about the people who were hurt by it, but I just don't care enough to think about it constantly...

[PSUsouthpaw]

If 9/11 was a planned disaster, than that means several things.
1. There are extremely powerful forces operating behind a curtain of secrecy that few know of.
2. The fact that they could so effectively pull off a disaster on that scale shows that they are extremely well coordinated forces.
3. If such forces actually existed an wanted their existence kept an utter secret, these movies would have been taken down long ago.
4. This leads me to believe, that if all of the above are true, than
A. Such forces are so well hidden in reality that a little publicity of this sort can do nothing to harm them. After all, everyone loves a good conspiracy theory. If publicity simply blurs the question and reality of their existence, good.

B. Such a force could strike at any time, without warning, without mercy.
C. We will never know the entire truth unless someone in this force decides to tell us.

[cobase]

"New Oliver Stone 9/11 Film Introduces 'Single Plane' Theory"
http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Oliver-Stone's-Jump-Map-R_0.jpg
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/new_oliver_stone_9_11_film



http://www.theonion.com/content/node/37878
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/giuliani_to_run_for_president_of_9
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28144

[TURBOgls]

heres another one

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change&total=3201&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Cypher]

I can't watch the videos so I have no idea what its about but, I do believe they had warnings about it but were too arrogant to believe it was possible so didn't do anything about it. I remember memos and whatnot at the pentagon on the news sooooo sounds right ot me.

[Robert1955]

If you really think this was not an act of terrorism but a great big plot of the government you really have some issues. I mean Clinton could not even get away with a BJ or two in the Oval Office and there are nut cases like Michal Moore spouting their garbage. If the Government could do this all and not a word get out in the 6 years since…………

[WytchDctr]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

[2001VE]

Yes , I would have to agree. People who believe this type of conspiracy theory also tend to think Elvis is still alive. Oliver Stone likes to make major B.S. movies that create lots of attention and make him lots of money. I won't even watch a movie with his name on it anymore.

[SuperGLS]

Are we back to this topic? I feel like this is 2005.

But, I'll tell you the truth. I drove my Elantra into the World Trade Center and supermanned that hoe. YUAAAA.

[kennef]

Yes , I would have to agree. People who believe this type of conspiracy theory also tend to think Elvis is still alive. Oliver Stone likes to make major B.S. movies that create lots of attention and make him lots of money. I won't even watch a movie with his name on it anymore.

Just so you know, "The Onion" isn't exactly a real newspaper.

I think it's funny that the government was able to fool the entire world yet some half-educated 18-25 year old guys are able to figure out this supposed "secret conspiracy."

[only1db]

ok...this public defender is wrong....they fell at free fall speed because the fire was so intense that it liquified everything that was around it...the 2nd and third building fell becuase of the almost earthquake force from the first collapse.

they are designed to fall in that particular manner

i do believe that bush knew ahead of time but did nothing...but again to be fair...i could only emagine the amount of reports that come into the white house everyday...

to be honest....there is no conspiracy theory...just a bunch of radical muslims that have distorted a peaceful religon into a western society hating, man controlling, fubarred mess...

this is life and we as a society created it...you have to love capitolism...like Marx said....eventually in the circle of government...we will all be socialist because the of greed of the capotilist society.

the videos are bull****.

so is nostrodaumus right too then??

[05xd]

This goes wayyy back before G W's start in the office.Remember when the first time the WTC got bombed back in 93 I think,who was in office then.I do believe Clinton was.George Bush was still a n00b in office so it couldn't have been his fault.It all goes back to the Clinton Regime.
I think all the theorist need to jump off a cliff into a molten batch of whale testicles.That is all

[ElantraXD]

Are we back to this topic? I feel like this is 2005.

But, I'll tell you the truth. I drove my Elantra into the World Trade Center and supermanned that hoe. YUAAAA.

lol

but I can't hear that 9/11 stuff anymore.
every year at 9/11 the whole world become crazy and thinks the world will decline.
it can happen every day, everywhere in the world. so, who cares?!

[sciphi]

There's too much mud being slung right now about the topic. As witnessed by this thread, people are attacking each other instead of having a civil debate.

Gather information, test the theories, and then let's have the debate.

[Munky]

ok...this public defender is wrong....they fell at free fall speed because the fire was so intense that it liquified everything that was around it...the 2nd and third building fell becuase of the almost earthquake force from the first collapse.

This has been proven wrong time and time again. Get your facts straight before you spout from the mouth like you normally do.

The steel was designed to withstand temperatures of 3000+ °F. The jet fuel only burned at around 2100° or so for a span of ten seconds tops. Not even CLOSE enough to "liquify" the steel. You have to be either retarded or a republican to believe that nonsense.

As for the attacks, I don't think it was planned. It's not like we're living in communist China, where the government routinely does things against it's own people. There's no way the US government could plan every detail without someone knowing, because if you throw enough money at anyone, they would squeal.

I do however, agree that they knew about it, and hid a lot of information about the attacks, before, during, and after. But that's part of the government's job, dealing with the crap so we don't have to.

[SuperGLS]

There is no debate. I just told everyone what happened.

[Munky]

There is no debate. I just told everyone what happened.

Wow...you're right. I just found a video clip of what really happened.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b114/MunkyMofo/whatreallyhappened.gif

[03GT]

Yeah it was all planned, just like bush planned katrina 'cause he doesn't like black people.

:rolleyes:

[05xd]

Yeah it was all planned, just like bush planned katrina 'cause he doesn't like black people.

:rolleyes:

I heard him say "thats what you get for building a city below sea level,this will teach them"
Everything that happens will ALWAYS be Bush's fault. I hate the way that the liberal media and Hippies makes him out to be a bad guy.
A big F-You democrat leaders!!!

[Ferret]

He is a bad guy. It's not like anyone has to "make him out to be a bad guy." He does that really well all by himself.

[Munky]

He is a bad guy. It's not like anyone has to "make him out to be a bad guy." He does that really well all by himself.

Yup. Trying to finish what his daddy started.

[PSUsouthpaw]

I heard him say "thats what you get for building a city below sea level,this will teach them"

Thats the truth. That is what happens when you build below sea level in a hurricane prone area.

A big F-You democrat leaders!!!

Assuming I ever meet you, I'm buying you a beer.

[NovaResource]

http://www.misplaced.net/stfu/laundry.jpg

[kennef]

I've noticed that people who don't like our president either give him a ton of credit or none at all.

[SuperGLS]

I like that one Nova. Good work.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Thats the truth. That is what happens when you build below sea level in a hurricane prone area.



Assuming I ever meet you, I'm buying you a beer.

You mean when you put a city between a big azz river, a big ol lake and the gulf of mexico, allow it to be under sea level and let a hurricane hit it it gets flooded? Dayum. . . that must be some new-wave chit there. So high level conspiracy I tell ya.

And we know it ain't Billy boy's fault, he was too busy chain tail to cause a ruckus like Somalia. Oh wait, he DID start a ruckus in Somalia. . . . it was probably Bush's fault there too. I bet his oil buddies paid off the drug cartel and stuff.

And all these theories about the towers and stuff, man it must have been built in the same ship yards as the titanic because it was unsinkable ya know. Oh. . . wait that was Bush's fault too wasn't it. . my bad :rolleyes:

Seriously, people need to move on. Remember this: hindsight is always 20/20 and VERY FEW of us would have ever imagined a loaded airliner would be used to crash into a buildng before 9/11. THose that say they did are full-o-chit.

[moonlite5hadow]

being in the military i feel (and am told in some instances) that i have no right to second guess, assume, or accuse my president or my government (public, private, OR hidden agancies) of wrong doing.

that being said... yes, i whole-heartedly believe 9/11 was a governmental scheme. i will go no further.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Oh boy. . . . :rolleyes:

Anyone else notice that the same people accusing our gov't of these grand political schemes and well thought out conspiracies are teh SAME people that tell us how f-d up and inefficient and outright unorganized the SAME gov't is?

Just an observation.

[moonlite5hadow]

You have to be either retarded or a republican to believe that nonsense.

O-M-G i love you! the line between retard and rebublican is often skewed and blurred.

[kennef]

Oh boy. . . . :rolleyes:

Anyone else notice that the same people accusing our gov't of these grand political schemes and well thought out conspiracies are teh SAME people that tell us how f-d up and inefficient and outright unorganized the SAME gov't is?

Just an observation.



I've noticed that people who don't like our president either give him a ton of credit or none at all.

That's what I was going for.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

I know, I was just clarifying it for the "less fortunate" among us. . . :D

[jalmir]

remember that the US planned to invade Cuba to throw Fidel out of his regime in the 60's, that plan was to fake terrorist attack in the US, it was stopped and documents ordered to be destroyed, some documents were not and were brought back in the light in the 90's.

So if they could plan fake terrorist attack killing real civilians in the 60's how come thay can't try that again in 2000???

[moonlite5hadow]

Oh boy. . . . :rolleyes:

Anyone else notice that the same people accusing our gov't of these grand political schemes and well thought out conspiracies are teh SAME people that tell us how f-d up and inefficient and outright unorganized the SAME gov't is?

Just an observation.

i never specifically named the "government".. well, maybe i openly implied it, but i use that term loosely :rolleyes: there are "secret" organizations operating under the government. Im not a theorist so im not going to sit here and tell you how it happened, but its could have been just as simple as the government going to one of these "secret agencies" and saying "make something happen", whether it was under bush sr., clinton, or bush jr. i wont say (cause i cant, cause im not a theorist) but whether it was our own countrymen, or the terrorists, it wasnt a scheme hacked out in 4 years, thats for sure.

just to clarify, just cause i *think* it was a scheme, doesnt mean im 100% dedicated to that view. evidence (video, audio, typed etc..) make good points about it being externally or internally (regard 'government') planned. just my own gut, and things i've read/watched/heard tell me that its LIKELY to be an internally planned event. and honestly, i'd prefer to see an actual discussion here, with facts and evidence, instead of personal attacks. i know "superman"ning didnt have anythign to do with it :D

remember that the US planned to invade Cuba to throw Fidel out of his regime in the 60's, that plan was to fake terrorist attack in the US, it was stopped and documents ordered to be destroyed, some documents were not and were brought back in the light in the 90's.

So if they could plan fake terrorist attack killing real civilians in the 60's how come thay can't try that again in 2000???

good point. and who knows how many of those similar plans have succeeded?

http://www.misplaced.net/stfu/laundry.jpg

and I'LL bring the CLOROX

[PSUsouthpaw]

I'll bring some of those anti-static cling sheets you throw in the dryer.

[03GT]

http://www.lugradio.org/competitions/sh4ct/joachim.jpg

[jalmir]

^

that guy is a genius, he use a Mac! :D

[03GT]

http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg
This is serious bidness boy, put yer hat on.

[PSUsouthpaw]

^

that guy is a genius, he use a Mac! :D

Eeeeeeeew...don't step in the Macs.

[03GT]

LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6cLruNpDvQ

[WytchDctr]

being in the military i feel (and am told in some instances) that i have no right to second guess, assume, or accuse my president or my government (public, private, OR hidden agancies) of wrong doing.

that being said... yes, i whole-heartedly believe 9/11 was a governmental scheme. i will go no further.

If you are an officer that is true. If you are enlisted that is not true.



The steel was designed to withstand temperatures of 3000+ °F. The jet fuel only burned at around 2100° or so for a span of ten seconds tops. Not even CLOSE enough to "liquify" the steel. You have to be either retarded or a republican to believe that nonsense.

Your right it didn't melt. That fire was burning for alot longer than 10 seconds btw. Jet fuel is not some uber-combustible thing like most people think it is. (Example: Man i ran my car on jet fuel and it made it go FAST, bull****) Its JP-8 or something like it, you can run a diesel truck on it. Much closer to kerosene than anything else. Not to mention the damage caused by a plane flying at full speed and full loaded slamming into it. Id like to see the math behind just how much energy that buildings supports took. Honestly, I think they where hoping to knock it down with the impact itself.


"Melted" Steel
Claim: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4

[NovaResource]

http://www.misplaced.net/stfu/tin_foil_satillite_dish.jpg

[mayollo072R]

Wow...you're right. I just found a video clip of what really happened.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b114/MunkyMofo/whatreallyhappened.gif

LOL! You're mean.

[SuperGLS]

Munky, I missed the first post, thanks Mayollo for quoting it. Haha, awesome.

Who is that person hitting tower two?

[slow 2K2GT]

If it were Michael Jackson then it would be perfect.

I watched that Loose Change video tonite as well, I dont know but I believe that it wasnt what its was said to be...way to many 1 in a million chances were happening all at the same time.

[PILL]

This has been proven wrong time and time again. Get your facts straight before you spout from the mouth like you normally do.

The steel was designed to withstand temperatures of 3000+ °F. The jet fuel only burned at around 2100° or so for a span of ten seconds tops. Not even CLOSE enough to "liquify" the steel. You have to be either retarded or a republican to believe that nonsense.

As for the attacks, I don't think it was planned. It's not like we're living in communist China, where the government routinely does things against it's own people. There's no way the US government could plan every detail without someone knowing, because if you throw enough money at anyone, they would squeal.

I do however, agree that they knew about it, and hid a lot of information about the attacks, before, during, and after. But that's part of the government's job, dealing with the crap so we don't have to.

At 2100* the steel lost most of it's strength and collapsed. The fire-retardant foam sprayed on the steel to protect it during a fire was blown off by the initial blast. Many magazines and sites have proven most of these theories wrong. Plus, if the government could get away with this, why not eliminate those who start these theories against them?

edit: I know this has been addressed. I didn't feel like reading every post. Call me lazy...

[tharptroy]

just a +1 for material properties changing drastically at higher temperatures. when you take into account that these were loaded structural members, you understand that a 50% reduction of strength in the beams will cause plastic deformation.

[only1db]

you know what i looked that that years back...i have not followed this...because well it really doesnt matter anymore...why because there are people in the world that hate us....why because of the arogant **** that people put out there...

as much as i dispize bush....the laundry comment is out of line...and disrepectfull.....USA is not number one....and some of you need to learn that...we are not alone on this planet....they could take us over whenever they felt like it....we are a mere couple of million people.....in combarision to the billions of others....

we should be acting like a big brother and not a bully....espeically on the world stage.

you can get facts to disprove facts that disprove facts...but my breathe here is wasted as usual....

i also find it suprising that the people that were close to the city and who were affected by it have not voiced themselves....i was affected by it and so was my family...here you gusy spout this ignorant crap...no matter what it is...and having cars fly into the trade center is just plain disrespectful....i remember that day like it was yesterday....so please...just lock this up.

[Munky]

Munky, I missed the first post, thanks Mayollo for quoting it. Haha, awesome.

Who is that person hitting tower two?

Just some random lady pushing a baby stroller.

I agree, MJ would have been funnier.