BMW splinter thread

[DJ Hellfire]

On a side note: If I was stuck in a similar situation, I would have rammed right into the driver's side door of the BMW. If they can afford to spend that much money on a car (with better safety equipment than your car) then they can afford to fix it.


That's just f'ed up. You don't know how that person acquired that BMW. What if they won it in a sweepstakes or it was a gift where all they have to pay is insurance and wouldn't have the car if they had to pay a payment as well as insurance? You can't just smash it because it looks like they are well off.

[hyunelan2]

That's just f'ed up. You don't know how that person acquired that BMW. What if they won it in a sweepstakes or it was a gift where all they have to pay is insurance and wouldn't have the car if they had to pay a payment as well as insurance? You can't just smash it because it looks like they are well off.

+1

Munky - you've been particularly hostile towards people of affluence today... what'd they do to you?

[BobMs_wht2k2]

I stole all his money, kicked the dog, screwed the girlfriend and took a dump on his hood. . . . wait, that was what I was GOING to do. . . :hand: never mind! :abovelol: :threadjac

Sometimes I kill myself! :abovelol:

[Munky]

+1

Munky - you've been particularly hostile towards people of affluence today... what'd they do to you?

Nothing. :confused:

I'm just saying, If I was in a similar situation and had to choose to either:

A.) Hit a truck head on, likely totaling both cars,

or

B.) sideswiping another car, likely ruining a door...maybe two..

It's pretty obvious what I would do. And You can say whatever you want about how they might have acquired the car, but the majority of BMW owners are stuck up pricks with too much money.

[hyunelan2]

. And You can say whatever you want about how they might have acquired the car, but the majority of BMW owners are stuck up pricks with too much money.

That's probably the most ignorant comment I've seen here in a while. and that's saying a lot. Your run of the mill 3-series, and lower-side 5-series cost less than most of the large SUVs running around, which are way more prevelant. Is everyone in a Suburban/Tahoe a stuck up prick with too much money as well? Hell, a 3-series costs less than a top of the line Hyundai Veracruz.

[DJ Hellfire]

That's probably the most ignorant comment I've seen here in a while. and that's saying a lot. Your run of the mill 3-series, and lower-side 5-series cost less than most of the large SUVs running around, which are way more prevelant. Is everyone in a Suburban/Tahoe a stuck up prick with too much money as well? Hell, a 3-series costs less than a top of the line Hyundai Veracruz.


I agree. My grandmother got a brand new 3 series back in 03 (traded for an X3 last year) which was a christmas gift from the pastor of her church who is a close friend of the family. Sure she was able to afford to pay for the car, but shorlty after that, she was laid off and replaced by someone younger 3 years before she was supposed to retire and funds were tight for a while. So not everyone with a BMW can just pull money out their ***. Even with her job, she still wasn't ballin, but she was able to handle what she had.

[Munky]

I agree. My grandmother got a brand new 3 series back in 03 (traded for an X3 last year) which was a christmas gift from the pastor of her church who is a close friend of the family. Sure she was able to afford to pay for the car, but shorlty after that, she was laid off and replaced by someone younger 3 years before she was supposed to retire and funds were tight for a while. So not everyone with a BMW can just pull money out their ***. Even with her job, she still wasn't ballin, but she was able to handle what she had.

I never once said that BMW owners can pull money out of their ***, per se. That's a feat in it's own right.

I'm talking about the menatlity that comes with being a BMW owner. Sure, not all of them are like that, but you and I both know there are a lot of them that are. I'm usually hateful towards them just because they're the type of assholes that cut me off in traffic with no signals, drive erratically while on their cell phone, etc.

And I know what you're gonna say, "people do that in every type of car"..but I'm not talking about them. This is just from what I have experienced, and yes, I'm aware it's not every single BMW owner that acts this way.

But this really has nothing to do with the topic anymore, so I'm going to stop complaining now...it just feels good to vent every now and then.

[hyunelan2]

There are way more a-hole drivers out there in 1999 Civics, than BMWs. The neat thing about BMW is everyone still thinks it's a high-prestige car, when in reality the common ones only cost as much as a well-equipped Camry or Accord. I don't think there's a better $35K car out than the 3-series. While that is probably a stretch in pricing for most people here, I'd say it's smack dab median for what 30-somethings are paying for new cars.

[NY2002ElantraGT]

Munky, one of the few times i dissagree with you. it doesnt take a BMW to make the person an a$$hole..... look at BOB, hes an a$$hole and drives a Hyundai! hahahahahahahaha

sorry i had to. but seriously i agree with bob (wow i must be high) i know some modest people, that arent well off, driving BMW's

[BobMs_wht2k2]

I'm with munky on our local bimmer drivers. EVERY one of these drivers here are "Get out of my way you nobody can't you see I'm important" types. No exageration here this time. If you're being tailgated at night with HID's in your mirror while traveling at 75 in a 55 I could safely say it'll be a bimmer.

[xdforme22]

Yeah, I agree w/ NY, its all perception (except for maybe the repair costs). Although I have seen the type of driver Bob talks about (yet its not just beamer drivers. I've seen it in civics, IS300s, and (in MI) Pontiac drivers (sorry Vampy).)

[Munky]

Maybe we just have a lot more assholes here in Indy than everywhere else...and can you blame them? Indiana is a cornfield with lights. ;)

[hyunelan2]

Yeah, I agree w/ NY, its all perception (except for maybe the repair costs).

Repair costs are high, if you have to pay them. The program they've got now though ($0 maintenance for 4yr/50K) will make you pay for nothing... no oil changes, no brake service, no wiper blaeds, nada. So the type of people who get a new car every 3 years can expect to pay no more than the vehicle cost.

However, most of us are not the type to only keep a car for 3 years and buy another new one. If we were, this would be a good thing.


EDIT: I'm going to split this thread into another one, as the topic has gone far from the source.

[DJ Hellfire]

1. I never once said that BMW owners can pull money out of their ***, per se. That's a feat in it's own right.

2. I'm talking about the menatlity that comes with being a BMW owner. Sure, not all of them are like that, but you and I both know there are a lot of them that are.




1. I know! I was just figuratively speaking! Would be a nice talent though!:D

2. I know what you mean. But, it seems like most german car drivers in general are like that, not just BMW owners. It's just that, that particular person in that situation may not be that kind of person.

[Munky]

1. I know! I was just figuratively speaking! Would be a nice talent though!:D

2. I know what you mean. But, it seems like most german car drivers in general are like that, not just BMW owners. It's just that, that particular person in that situation may not be that kind of person.

Absolutely true. But like Mike said, they don't HAVE to be in a German car to be a douche on the road..but it seems to help.

It's not like I have anything against BMW's themselves, I actually own one. A 1985 BMW 325e. (Thanks to Andy) I just have a problem with the people who give them a bad name, like the assholes I frequently come across.

[evan938]

when i get my BMW, im going to drive to IN and pass you like an asshole, but im gonna use my signal just to piss you off

im thinking a 1 series in 09/10 or maybe a 3 series with a few years on it. id like to buy new and get the 4/50, but i dont know if ill be able to afford new.

i had the luxury of taking a co-workers 2001 325i to get lunch the other day, and man...it was only a mile each way, but it felt good to be back in the seat of one.

[Munky]

when i get my BMW, im going to drive to IN and pass you like an asshole, but im gonna use my signal just to piss you off

:abovelol: I'll be looking foward to it..hahah.

[Doohickie]

the majority of BMW owners are stuck up pricks with too much money.
Really? Do know them personally? I think you're just believing what you want to believe.

I'm talking about the menatlity that comes with being a BMW owner. Sure, not all of them are like that, but you and I both know there are a lot of them that are. I'm usually hateful towards them just because they're the type of assholes that cut me off in traffic with no signals, drive erratically while on their cell phone, etc.

And I know what you're gonna say, "people do that in every type of car"..but I'm not talking about them. This is just from what I have experienced, and yes, I'm aware it's not every single BMW owner that acts this way.

But this really has nothing to do with the topic anymore, so I'm going to stop complaining now...it just feels good to vent every now and then.

I'm with munky on our local bimmer drivers. EVERY one of these drivers here are "Get out of my way you nobody can't you see I'm important" types. No exageration here this time. If you're being tailgated at night with HID's in your mirror while traveling at 75 in a 55 I could safely say it'll be a bimmer.

I think both of you are projecting your attitudes toward beemer drivers to what you observe; you *think* they're buttholes, so every time you see one, you're looking for them to prove it. They do any little thing wrong, and it's "See! I told ya!." When, in reality, they don't drive any worse or better than drivers of other makes.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Doo, all I(we/anyone) can report is what we see on a daily basis. Typical Lexus owners are the grandpa's in the slow lane going at or below the speed limit. Does that mean all of them are? Nope. But if I see 100 of them in a week and 95 are, what else would I think?

If I see a 100 bimmers and 99 are driving like an azz what else would I think? THat they are kind sweet people while they fly the "bird" at me after they cut me off?

[hyunelan2]

im thinking a 1 series in 09/10 or maybe a 3 series with a few years on it. id like to buy new and get the 4/50, but i dont know if ill be able to afford new.

i had the luxury of taking a co-workers 2001 325i to get lunch the other day, and man...it was only a mile each way, but it felt good to be back in the seat of one.


When the one series is released, I will give it a try. I'm not sure about the smaller size, and me fitting in it - I tend to have problems with that. With the anticipated cost of a 128i being about $27K, and the 135i about $6K more (for the twin-charged version of the engine), it's not a far stretch of the imagination that it will fall within the pricerange of what I'll be looking for when the Elantra is due. Either that or a low-mileage certified pre-owned 3-series.

I got to abuse an '05 325i for a day. My buddy works in the industry (he does legal contracts for dealers) and gets demo cars all the time. A BMW dealer gave him a new 325i for a weekend and we took it out for fun on a Saturday. They (BMWs) really live up to their slogan "the perfect driving machine." So tight, and so responsive (in throttle response, gearing, handling), even on base models.

Doo, all I(we/anyone) can report is what we see on a daily basis. Typical Lexus owners are the grandpa's in the slow lane going at or below the speed limit. Does that mean all of them are? Nope. But if I see 100 of them in a week and 95 are, what else would I think?


I see the opposite. Typical Lexus owners (especially IS) are flying down the left shoulder in gridlock traffic at 50mph.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Mike, I cannot stress this enough, buying a used bimmer is a bad idea. New, with the "free" maintenance (you DO know nothings free?) it's a fine car (just not my taste). Used when YOU are paying $100 for the oil changes, bent arms and tires it's not a smart choice.

[Munky]

I understand what you're saying Doohickie, but seeing is believing.

Every time I get passed going the speed limit on Fall Creek, every time someone is riding my *** on 465, about 8 time out of 10 it's a BMW. The other 2 consist of Infinitis and Range Rovers.

I'm not trying to be a dick about it, I'm not trying to stereotype, but when they do it for you it's kind of hard NOT to, you know?

[rusto85]

Not all BMW owners are a$$****s, here in Portland, OR BMW's are pretty common. The driver's that are deuterostomes (look it up) are ppl with big A$$ trucks & SUV's and ofcourse California driver's.....LMAO.

[2001VE]

Brother in law has owned a few BMW vehicles. Great handling fast cars with average reliability. Simple repair jobs can sometimes be two or three times the cost of a normal car. I would only own one old enough where wrecker parts can be an option.

[hyunelan2]

Mike, I cannot stress this enough, buying a used bimmer is a bad idea. New, with the "free" maintenance (you DO know nothings free?) it's a fine car (just not my taste). Used when YOU are paying $100 for the oil changes, bent arms and tires it's not a smart choice.

I totally get what you're saying Bob. But, I looked into some numbers... for a new 328i, with some options (not loaded, just some simple things like Auto-Trans, heated seats, stuff like that) is about $38K new. A certified-used car of similar spec, with about 30K on it, is $24-$28K. Although expensive to repair, I'm not sure I could rack up $10K-$14K in repair/maint. bills over those first few years to warrant buying new, just for the service/warranty?

[BobMs_wht2k2]

$100 oil changes. Both lower arms are typically weak (and bend) and run $345 EACH retail (at least last week they did) plus 3 hours of labor at $95/hour. Then there's the oil cooler lines that leak. Lines run $195 and another 2 hours oflabor. . . .

In 5 years I could see it costing close to that. To me, that's not a reliable car.

[Doohickie]

Dayum. No wonder BMW owners drive angry...!

[BobMs_wht2k2]

^:abovelol: Did anyone else have "Groundhog Day" flash through their mind after reading that? "Don't drive angry!"

[Munky]

Dayum. No wonder BMW owners drive angry...!

No kidding...I never knew it was THAT much for things like that.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Geesh. . .does no one listen anymore? :abovelol: And people wonder why I won't buy one. I can't AFFORD IT!!

One thing alot of people seem to forget. Buying a used Luxury car doesn't make it any less of a luxury car. They still require maintenance and repairs and they WILL cost luxury prices. If you buy luxury, you have to maintain luxury.

[hyunelan2]

$100 oil changes. Both lower arms are typically weak (and bend) and run $345 EACH retail (at least last week they did) plus 3 hours of labor at $95/hour. Then there's the oil cooler lines that leak. Lines run $195 and another 2 hours oflabor. . . .

In 5 years I could see it costing close to that. To me, that's not a reliable car.

^^^All that totals $3,370 over 5 years (assuming an oil change every 3 months, which is what I do now). Still cheaper than buying new - even assuming the arms do go bad and the oil lines leak, which although common to happen to that car, it's not guaranteed to happen.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

It's as close to a guarantee as headlight bulbs burning out in the Elantra. . . how's about that? :D

Speaking of headlight bulbs. . . those are about $300 a pop through them too.

Of course I didn't get into the rear suspension pieces, not the non-stop electrical gremlins that 5-10 year old german cars suffer from or. . . . but hey, it's your dream. Do as you wish, just trying to save a moderately poor man from becoming a truely poor man.

[evan938]

mike - just to clear one thing up. the new 135i and the current 335i (which im about 95% sure are the same motor) are not twin charged, but infact twin turbo. 300hp/300ft/lb

[hyunelan2]

Yes, sorry I messed up the semantics of Forced Induction. Twin Charged, as I stated, would mean Trubo & Super charged, which it is not. It does, infact, have twin turbos. I think it is the same motor as teh 335 - a 3.0L inline-6. Same motor on the 128 too, just without the turbos.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Bob, I wasn't saying it would be cheap. I was saying it would be cheapER than new.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

IMO, the best way to own a merc/bimmer/audi is to lease and just plan on a car payment forever.

[xdforme22]

Yep. I think that's about right. That's why I mentioned the whole repair cost thing in the begining. Bob put it best...

One thing alot of people seem to forget. Buying a used Luxury car doesn't make it any less of a luxury car. They still require maintenance and repairs and they WILL cost luxury prices. If you buy luxury, you have to maintain luxury.

[Doohickie]

It's as close to a guarantee as headlight bulbs burning out in the Elantra. . . how's about that? :D

The only bulb I've lost after two years is one of the (aftermarket) fog light bulbs. Still have the original headlights and all other lights (except for the Silverstars I put in the rear blinkers, but the originals were still good when I took them out).

[BobMs_wht2k2]

THere ya go, bustin' the curve!

[xdforme22]

I agree, hyunelan. As I posted earlier the IS drivers I've seen tend to be jerks. What worst is that in MI you get the (wanna-be) "American Muscle" leadfoots (I mean hey, if you've got an IS or a beamer its at least somewhat of a performance machine). Many I see are Grand Ams, Grand Prixs, large Trucks/SUV (no particular model), and a decent amount of cobalts/cavaliers, and neons drivers (relatively few foreign cars compared with the E/W coast). These people seem to be very oblivious and seem to have the mission to go 80-90 on the highway no matter the snow/sleet/ice/freezing rain/downpour. I constantly worry about these idiots hitting me as I drive along according to conditions.

[ricerrx7]

Bimmers are fairly expensive to fix. They go through tires due to the aggressive alignment. They go through bushings, and fan clutches. Average oil change at my dealership is $150 customer pay, plus you have inspection lights for everything from microfilters (cabin air filter) to standard scope (scanning all the codes and printing out a report for BMW), which is all free when you're under the maintenance plan, but when it's customer pay you have to pay to get these things done which are technically unnecessary. It's anywhere from 8.5-9.5 hours (customer pay at $105 per hour) to replace frount outer axle boots on an AWD vehicle, and they always need replacing. Microfilters cost around 70 each (depending on application) and some require 2. All manufacturers have problems, these are just some of BMW's.

[sciphi]

Probably why one of my buddies with a 91 325xi is going through a lot of cash. But damn does that car pull, even with 191k miles on it.

[SuperGLS]

I would never buy a BMW, but they seem like nice cars (from the few I've ridden in and sat in at the auto show). The only reason I wouldn't buy one is because I'll always be able to meet my needs with a Hyundai (or that Porsche 911 I'll own some day). By the time I could afford a BMW, Hyundai or the Hyundai luxury brand if that ever happens, will have a comparable car for less money.

As for drivers of expensive cars and their inability to drive properly... ehh, I don't know. Most people drive like idiots at one point or another.

[evan938]

Probably why one of my buddies with a 91 325xi is going through a lot of cash. But damn does that car pull, even with 191k miles on it.

there were no XI's in 91, only IX's