Genesis Coupe - merge of other BHc threads

[SuperGLS]

This is a photoshop of what the next "Tiburon" could look like.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/md_hiunday_tiburon_fr_watermark.jpg

Those Sonata wheels look perfect on anything.

[Slapshotman7]

Thats awesome.

[Blackcasper2005]

ill buy it

[bdiggy]

That would be a hot car!

[redbull_ng]

Nice Job :-)

[getfuzzd]

looks like a Saturn Sky and an Audi had a bastard child that wants to go fast.

I'll take it though.

[only1db]

yup the next gen tib will be mine...rwd and a v6...sorry wife...but its mine!! hahaha

nice chop by the way...that thing looks sick...that is rediculously hot!

[hyunelan2]

There's been tons of these "make your own car" photoshops of what the tib replacement car could look like on CSS.

That is a good chop, but it's not following the Hyundai family front of the car that all their new cars have. With the grill tapering down, and the 'line' across the lower front of the car.

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c460839a.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/YearGlance/y455088a.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c458333a.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c461633a.jpg



yup the next gen tib will be mine...rwd and a v6...

Again, this is all just speculation still. There hasn't been proof anywhere that there will even be a next-gen tib, let alone what it's specs will be.

[ArunSenior04]

The headlights remind me of the Evo, and the body reminds me of a Scion TC.

[Munky]

Lol. I had to.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b114/MunkyMofo/newtibchop.gif

[Slapshotman7]

^^ Haha.

[only1db]

There's been tons of these "make your own car" photoshops of what the tib replacement car could look like on CSS.

That is a good chop, but it's not following the Hyundai family front of the car that all their new cars have. With the grill tapering down, and the 'line' across the lower front of the car.

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c460839a.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/YearGlance/y455088a.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c458333a.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c461633a.jpg







Again, this is all just speculation still. There hasn't been proof anywhere that there will even be a next-gen tib, let alone what it's specs will be.

i am aware that it will not look like that...but man it sure is nice...and yes the next tib will be RWD and a nice V6 it will be sitting on the BH platform the same as the new concept Genesis that premiered at the NYC auto show...

lets just hope that they stick to REAL manual shifting and no paddle ****

[Munky]

Here's another picture I saw.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/1866-1.jpg

[OPZ]

From what I hear, they will only offer it with an auto that has "manual control"...


as I said before...if I, me, MY BODY AND SELF, can not forcibly disengage the clutch...its not a manual.

[only1db]

^ agree...i dont care that it can shift faster than a regular box...i like to push the pedals and have complete control...

they are making it too easy for just anybody to drive some pricey cars because of the whole paddle shift...hel ljust look at the *** that crashed his ferrari!

[Munky]

From what I hear, they will only offer it with an auto that has "manual control"...


as I said before...if I, me, MY BODY AND SELF, can not forcibly disengage the clutch...its not a manual.

^Damn straight.

[lcanajoharie]

^^would love to see that in black. Is anyone that good?

[hyunelan2]

yes the next tib will be RWD and a nice V6 it will be sitting on the BH platform the same as the new concept Genesis that premiered at the NYC auto show...


Proof? :deal: Other than chatter on forums and speculation from magazines of what the next car 'could' be, we've heard nothing from Hyundai stating this as a fact.

Yes, it would make a helluva lotta sense for the GK-replacement to platform share with something, like the BH, but so far Hyundai hasn't said that is true.

[Ugzz]

that shop that super posted is SICK SICK SICK, i think the grill is a little oversized, but man thats sweet..

and hey you never know, hyundai might be getting all their ideas from the web and threads just like this too. thats what they did with the transformers movie.. just tossed out the idea then modded the movie and cg to match more of what the fans wanted by checking forums etc..

[hyunelan2]

I hope that it does prove true that we will see a RWD tib, with several engine options. But so far people have claimed it will have everything from a turbo-4cyl, to a v6, to the new 4.6L v8. While I hope it's true that they are going to make a potent performance vehicle, just don't get your hopes too high. Meanwhile, we don't even know for sure if there even will be a replacement coupe.

[yamaha]

It will never look like that, it will be dumbed down for the general public.

[Munky]

^^would love to see that in black. Is anyone that good?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b114/MunkyMofo/newtibblack.gif

[Ugzz]

^ did you realy just do that.. and take the time to add light sources etc to spruce it up? lol

[Munky]

Yeah, I did it while sitting here watching Fear and Loathing. Took me like, 15 minutes tops.

[only1db]

hyun....its the only logical step...hyundai wants to be in the top 5 of world automakers by 2010...having a true sports car is the only way to go....they can not make that number by just continuing to make econo cars and some midsize stuff...thats why they came out with the genesis...other cars are to follow...its the only way...financially to make it.

hell i even think that they already started the process of making a sick accent...the trim levels in the accent are suggesting that they even tinkle around with some power in a fwd car....but again...who knows...its only my believe...only time will tell...or a press release from hyundai themselves...however dealer insiders i have heard that the new tib will be rwd and not need FI...

[hyunelan2]

Yes, but just because it seems logical doesn't tell us that it has a v6, or a v8, or a trubo-4. That's just people guessing. I've read long passages on both sides arguing if it should be a tib, or a new name, or nothing at all and let Kia have the performance vehicle. (Kia's sales add into Hyundai's overall sales, helping it be a top auto maker).

[BobMs_wht2k2]

hyun....its the only logical step......

Since when did "Logical" ever play a part in the automotive business? If tha twas the case, then the 07 Elantra's would be rolling around with the 2.4L Theta.


...however dealer insiders i have heard that the new tib will be rwd and not need FI...

I'd love to know about those people. Wanna know when we (as in the dealership as a whole) found out about the next car to arrive? When it typically showed up. If we were lucky we'd get to read about it in the car mags.

[hyunelan2]

Also, for sales, it would be much more numerically appealing to develop a pickup truck than a sporty niche-vehicle, as truck sales have typically been key to the success of Ford, GM, and Chrysler.

[SuperGLS]

You guys need to listen to what me and Mike write. We type about what is currently known and have a good grasp of Hyundai and what they do. I'm not saying we are smarter than everyone (well, I am), I'm just saying don't listen to the speculation and the hype. Hyundai will only do what makes the most business sense, as Bob points out.

It's a nice chop and that's why I posted it. A lot better than some others I've seen.

Mike, I don't totally agree with you on the front design. Both the HCD-8 (as posted by Munky) Concept and the HCD-9 Concept for the next Hyundai "coupe" suggests a grill similar to that one. Also, by 2009/2010 Hyundai could be ready to switch it up again as it'll be time for a new Sonata, Tucson, and Accent. Hyundai has mentioned wanting to have four year product lifetimes instead of their current 5-6 year cycle.

[RedScorp]

^ agree...i dont care that it can shift faster than a regular box...i like to push the pedals and have complete control...

they are making it too easy for just anybody to drive some pricey cars because of the whole paddle shift...hel ljust look at the *** that crashed his ferrari!

The *** that crashed that Ferrari wasn't the owner. The Ferrari belonged to the movie producer that did the movie he was just in.

As far as I feel about paddle shifters....

It doesn't matter...if the guy with paddle shifters woops you in the 1/4 mile and takes that 5 spot you put on the race home in HIS wallet and not yours.

Personally I can't stand that grill. It looks like someone stole it off a Chrysler 300, rounded it off, and glued it onto a Hyundai. Stick with something more conservative is my thought. At the least take the emblem off the grill and put it on the edge of the hood. Also can't stand the small windows. If I wanted portholes, I'd buy a ship.

[joph09]

hmmm i'm thinking by the fall we'll have some reliable info on this '09 tib, if not at least some real spyshots

[RedScorp]

"
News
The fully redesigned Tiburon expected for 2009 could be very different from the current model. Hyundai is apparently considering a rear-wheel drive car a la Infiniti's G35 coupe. However, sources caution this idea hasn't been green-lighted, and other proposals are surely being explored, so stay tuned. Earlier reports had the next new Tiburon as a spinoff of Hyundai's redesigned 2007 Elantra, with a hardtop-convertible joining the usual front-drive coupe. That may still be the plan, but only time will tell."

Quoted from:

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2007-hyundai-tiburon.htm

[babot]

Also, for sales, it would be much more numerically appealing to develop a pickup truck than a sporty niche-vehicle, as truck sales have typically been key to the success of Ford, GM, and Chrysler.

Well.. importing tax for pickups is too high. (I remember that it's 25%)

However, it's going to be abolished 10 years later. (if both Korean and US congress agree on FTA) So we'll see Hyundai/Kia pickups rolling around some years later. :) (Kia already told that they are planning to make new pickup models for US market when the two governments agreed on FTA)

[RedScorp]

Interesting you mention that because I was just reading on motortrends website their 2009 vehicle forecast. Among the list were the following...

2009 Kia Pickup: Midsize or full-size pickup co-developed with Hyundai.

2009 Kia Sport Coupe: Kia to offer its own version of the Hyundai Tiburon, in coupe and convertible forms.

2009 Kia Sport Sedan: Kia to have a sportier model of the Hyundai rear-drive sedan.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_2009fvf/index.html

I would still caution Hyundai/Kia on the pickup market. Toyota, Ford, Chevy, and Dodge have the market locked up. And depending on where you live geographically in the U.S. depends on how diehard the consumers are about American vs. Japanese. Mitsu tried coming to the U.S. market with the Raider and it flopped miserably. I think I've seen 3 since it's debut a couple years ago. It's a dangerous market to enter and terrible losses to be had playing the truck gamble.

[ArunSenior04]

Didnt the Titan do pretty well though? It even won TOTY if memory serves me correct.

[SuperGLS]

Let's please keep this thread about the Hyundai chop I posted above.

(Redscorp, start a new thread about that other stuff because I definitely want to comment about it too).

[hyunelan2]

There is another thread here somewhere about the Hyundai pickup. The free trade agreement with South Korea has already been passed. I'll find the link, and edit here.

EDIT:
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22648&highlight=hyundai+pickup

There's the link to the pickup thread. It also contains a link to an article about the free trade agreement.

[Keyan]

http://www.seoulfulracing.com/bk1.jpg


http://www.seoulfulracing.com/bk.jpg



Turbo 4cyl FTMFW!

[THE_VIC]

is that the spy shot for what coming up????NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Blackcasper2005]

I dont believe it I need more proof

[Keyan]

those pictures are posted by KDMguy on newtiburon. look at the interior vents on the passenger side. they match the new santa fe styling and azera and elantra. and the gauges match the current tiburon. and the body style looks familiar.

you need more proof?!?!?! lol.

I am trading up when it comes out.

sorry guys.

lol.

[joph09]

ooo which engine is that?

[Keyan]

ooo which engine is that?

hyundai doesn't have any RWD 4cyl turbos on the market in any region...
so it's probably new :D

[KeWLKaT]

yeah the engine looks definately different (not talking about the positionning lol)

id trade it in right away. warranty+turbo=WOOOHOOO

[ricerrx7]

Yes please.

[05xd]

Im on it as soon as it comes out.....if it does

[hyunelan2]

The "Theta" engine is supposed to be FI applicable. It's the same 'world engine' that the other manufacturers are using in 2.0 and 2.4 configurations.

I'm trying to visualize if it's long enough to be sitting on the "BH" platform?

EDIT
can I assume it will be the "BK" Tiburon, judging by the picture names from SFR?

[Blackcasper2005]

ill trade mine in a heartbeat when this comes out

[hyunelan2]

I'll wait until I see some performance numbers before I jump on the "omg I want one" bandwagon. It could be a Kia for all we know. I am disappointed the 4.6L V8 isn't in that car.

[KeWLKaT]

coil on plug FTW

[SuperGLS]

I merged this new post with mine from last week to keep some continuance of ideas going.

This really is the next "Tiburon." On HyundaiExchange they are calling it the BK as well. Interesting that it's not the HK (see my previous Hyundai naming thread), but, maybe the B is an indication of "brand" or "series" similarities with the BH/Genesis.

The rear side window looks nearly identical to the picture in the first post of this thread. The mirrors are similar as well. But I would agree that until we really know, that we don't know.

There doesn't seem to be any indication of RWD by looking at the pictures either.

[hyunelan2]

The longitudnal orientation of the engine is tell-tale of a RWD setup, whereas a FWD car would have the engine turned 90-degrees.

[chillbro1]

Lol. I had to.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b114/MunkyMofo/newtibchop.gif

That is freakin hilarious....LMAO!!!

Peace,

[hyunelan2]

About the engine - it's a tubocharged 2.0L variation of the THETA (aka World Engine)

A stoichiometric 2.0L turbocharged DISI engine is developed based upon the Theta 2.0L NA engine. The engine is intended to be installed in a midsize sedan as a downsizing concept, targeting to improve the fuel efficiency of the vehicles installed with the V6 3.3L engines while maintaining the performances. The base 2.0L engine is modified to accommodate the 4~12MPa direct injection system with the multi-hole injectors and the intake/exhaust variable valve timing (VVT) system. The turbocharger is carefully matched so that the specific power over 85kW/L can be achieved while the maximum torque reached at 2000RPM. The fuel efficiency of the target vehicle was improved significantly due to the reduced friction and pumping losses compared to the vehicle equipped with the V6 3.3L engines. Various advanced gasoline turbocharger technologies for improving the transient performances are evaluated. In addition, the effects of the transmission gear ratio on the drivability and fuel economy in the downsizing application have been investigated.


Also from reading at Hyundaiexchange: 2 Engine options. A 2.0L Turbochaged 4cyl at ~200hp, or a 3.8L Lambda V6 at ~300hp. (That info looks old though, as we actually know the output of a 3.8 Lambda, and if they're saying the 2.0T Theta can replace the 3.3 Lambda, it should be about 230ish hp.

More pictures:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/bk18_199.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/bk17_140.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/bk16_164.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/hyunelan2/bk15_907.jpg

[sleepergt]

yeah as soon as this comes out im so planning to get one!!!!

[SuperGLS]

Thanks for the extra info Mike.

I'm exciting to see what both Hyundai and Kia do with this.

[knottravesty]

I'm exciting to see what both Hyundai and Kia do with this.

Heh heh... sorry...

[xdforme22]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so happy they are putting a turbo'd 4 in it. Fuel efficient + fast. I def want this as my next car!

[hyunelan2]

Was reading somewhere (read a lot on this all over in the last day) that the 3.8L Lambda option will be the next-gen Lamda, with increased HP and more fuel efficiency. 2.0T sounds fun, but if they make a 300hp v6 flavor, put me on that list.

[Ugzz]

^ wow.. does it have a soul? can i marry it!?
that looks so sick, i think i like it better then current..

tx for grabbin up those pics hyun, that is awesome

[only1db]

um....i guess my "assumptions" have now been confirmed...thank you!!


i cant not wait to do new car orientation on that bad boy!! and yes this will be my next car!!

[OPZ]

Im sold. If it looks half-way as decent as I think it will, I am SOLD.

[hyunelan2]

I think way too many people are jumping on this because it has the word "turbo" on it. I'm not necessarily sure I want to own Hyundai's first attempt at the turbo Theta?

Also, seeing as the former car was a 2+2, I'm guessing so is this. But I'm having a hard time making out any backseat in the pictures? Might it be a 2-seater?

[xdforme22]

I guessing it will be 2+2. In the side pic you can tell there is definitely room for a seat there. Also seems that way in the head on shots (but there is too much glare to tell anything for sure).

[PSUsouthpaw]

I'll buy one. Just not the first year or two they are out. All new cars have bugs at some point...plus an aftermarket's going to take time to develop...

[xdforme22]

I think way too many people are jumping on this because it has the word "turbo" on it. I'm not necessarily sure I want to own Hyundai's first attempt at the turbo Theta?

I'm not that worried about it. Acura just introduced their first turbo'd engine and I have not heard any thing bad about it. Besides with Hyundai's warranty it'll get fixed (as long as no mods are detected).

[slow 2K2GT]

Holy crap that is nice, it looks badass and boosted too, wow! Well I guess I this is a good way for Hyundai to own another part of the market, well done!

[SuperGLS]

Once again I agree with Mike about jumping on this too early. This could be out of the normal Elantra buyers price range as well, it's too early to tell how this will be priced and what audience it'll be aimed too.

[j0hnh0lmes]

edit: repost

[xdforme22]

edit: repost

uuuhhhhhhh--what exactly? The fact he saying he does not know about price range? He's just trying to keep us all grounded :rolleyes:

[Munky]

uuuhhhhhhh--what exactly? The fact he saying he does not know about price range? He's just trying to keep us all grounded :rolleyes:

No, David posted something that I posted on CH, but it had already been posted here, so he edited his own post.

[NovaResource]

New Link: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/10/spy-shots-hyundais-rwd-coupe

[KeWLKaT]

woot!!! ncie turbo pic :)

[xdforme22]

If it arrives on our shores as a true G37 competitor for the price of a Mustang, then Hyundai could have a big hit on its hands.

Ok, so it may not be the price of an elantra (which of course has been creeping up over the years), but it should be close enough (maybe 5-7gs more) to be accessible. I, however, do not think that Hyundai will also be producing a FWD coupe (like the article insinuates, unless it is a sonata coupe to compete with the accord coupe).
On another note, if they are using the theta engine that resides in the base model sonata, is it too hard to believe that there might be a sonata turbo comming into the mix? On article did say that the turbo'd 4 was possibly going to replace the 3.3L V6.

[hyunelan2]

The original SAE technical article about the Turbo Theta (see my quote above) said it was designed for a "downsizing application" of the 3.3L Lambda V6 in a midsize coupe... that translates to, "we're taking the 3.3L out of the Sonata and giving it a turbo Theta of equivalent power and better gas mileage".

hmm. Autoblog hasn't ruled out the V8 option
the RWD coupe from Hyundai will be available with Hyundai's new Tau V8 that's capable of producing well over 300 horsepower.

Keeping my fingers crossed for that one.


I was GUESSING at pricing the other day, and thought starting at about $22K, fully loaded for about $30K.

[only1db]

^ i dont care...at that point i will be making enough money to get one...oh i guess i just need a garage to put it in!! hahah all in good time...

psu i agree with you...never the first year...i dont care who makes it!

i guess its time for hyundai to get into drifting!!!! and other racing events...that would be the next step, next step

[xdforme22]

I like what i've seen, but depending on where I'll be living, I would consider the sonata option (here in MI it snows enough that I'm not sure RWD would be a good idea). Maybe they should come out with a AWD option :D

[hyunelan2]

^Exactly what I was thinking. A 2+2 RWD coupe is all but useless for me. AWD would make it better, but I personally have much higher anticipation for the BH sedan.

[xdforme22]

If they do that upgrade to the sonata and throw in a 5/6 spd manual, that would be great. Also be interesting to see how it competes with its rivals.

[seguin22]

OK im really lost are some of you thinking that they might be putting the theta turbo motor in the sonota with a manual transmission? because is so I want one!!!!!

[SuperGLS]

Let's please keep this thread about the "Next Generation Tiburon."

Other threads about the other talk is always welcome of course.

[NY2002ElantraGT]

actuall pics of the car on the road which proves its coming!

http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104061

[hyunelan2]

^^^I just went through that whole thread and found no pictures of the car on the road!?!

[Munky]

^^^I just went through that whole thread and found no pictures of the car on the road!?!

No, but there are some lovely pictures of SFR stealing the pics off of carspyshots and slapping their logo on there.

Here are the pictures originally posted on 4/30/2007.

http://carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=23050

EDIT: Look at page 5, 5 posts down. Recognize that guy? ;)

[NY2002ElantraGT]

what i meant by on the road is on pavement as opposed to a drawing like the first pic we saw.

heres info on the Turbocharged 4cly from Hyundai
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2007-01-0259

nice pic of the body
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/SurferJ4/EXD/66f9bcd3a47b33d37ccb5081db7b5d6a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/SurferJ4/EXD/66Tib2.jpg

Here are some additional rumors about BK.
(Not sure if it's been already shared)
Base model:

2L Theta Turbo / Max power 220-250hp / 0-60 around 6 sec /
Fuel cut at 140 mph
RWD
Weight Ratio: 50:50
Transmission: 6 speed MT/ 5 speed AT
Price: 20K+


Limited Model:

3.8L Lambda / Max Power 280-330hp / 0-60 around 5 sec /
Fuel cut at 150mph /
Transmission: 6 speed MT/Aisin 6 Speed AT
Price: 30K+


Full automatic hard-top convertible by 2011

[Munky]

Damn, that looks sexy.

I still agree with Jason though..it DOES look like something out of a sci-fi movie.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b114/MunkyMofo/newtib.gif

[hyunelan2]

Those pictures of that yellow car are the HCD8 concept, not the new tib. They've been around since 2004. Check out www.hyundai-motor.com for more. Sure, they may borrow styling cues from the HCD cars for a production vehicle, but that car as pictured above was strictly concept.

And guessing at performance numbers is an exercise in futility at this point. But, if we must I still keep to my pricing guess of $25K-$32K (base to fully loaded limited)

[SuperGLS]

Yeah, I don't know why people keep posting old Hyundai concepts in this thread. Get 'em Mike.

The thread about this car over on The Car Lounge is funny.

[chillbro1]

Here is some other information from www.motorauthority.com
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Hyundai’s next generation Tiburon Coupe was recently caught undergoing the final phases of its development program before hitting the international auto show circuit next year. The new coupe is said to mimic some of the lines of the HCD8 Sports Tourer concept, which debuted at the 2004 Detroit Auto Show, but the latest images reveal some of the proportions of the current model will carry over.

The 09 Tiburon will ride on an all-new platform but the front-drive configuration is likely to stay, but with a range of more powerful four-cylinder and V6 engines. Hyundai is also rumored to be working on a new rear-wheel-drive coupe based on its upcoming Genesis sedan. Unlike the Tiburon, this new coupe would be a premium model aimed at luxury makes and is likely to feature a V8 powerplant.

Hyundai is well on its way to reaching its goal of becoming one of the top five car makes in the world. It’s no longer regarded purely as a maker of cheap and unreliable cars and is now comparable with many of its more established rivals. A recent survey has found that Hyundai’s image has improved dramatically in recent times, with the South Korean carmaker’s brand ranking improving by 32%, something that will definitely help the new Tiburon.

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Peace

[hyunelan2]

Hmm. That article says we'll see 2 cars. A FWD Tiburon, and a RWD upscale coupe. Leaving us to wonder what are we looking at in this thread? It is shaped as a tib, but definately looks to be RWD or AWD based on the longitudenal (sp) engine configuration.

I don't necessarily know that I agree with the 2 'sports' car model. It would account for the tons of different engine rumors though?

[chillbro1]

I think that the vehicle in the pictures is the Tib. I think as suggested previously, that the car might use an Audi style longitudinal FWD arrangement to reduce torque steer.

I also think the RWD model that is mentioned in the article would be the 'Halo' car that was talked about in earlier spy news. Considering the reveal of the Genesis...and it's competitors...maybe the potential new RWD model will try to take on Infiniti G37, Nissan 350Z, Mustang GT and so on.

Just speculation...

Peace,

[hyunelan2]

The real reason Audi uses the longitudnal setup is for their quattro AWD line. The reduction of torque steer on FWD-only cars (those built without quattro) is a coincidental bonus.

But, who knows. Maybe Hyundai couldn't figure out how to squeeze in the turbo and piping with a transverse engine setup? I wish these spy pictures never came out, they just raised more questions than answers.

[SuperGLS]

Interesting. I was talking to Wytch last night about Hyundai going with two 2 doors. One upmarket one based of the BH/Genesis with RWD and a V8 option, and then one where the Tiburon is now, perhaps with that Turbo 4 that is being talked about, but would share some similarities with the Veloster concept we saw from Seoul.

I agree, it's hard to say anything at this point.

[Jlivan]

Looks great! Looks wider too. It would be great to see a more roomier interior.

[chillbro1]

I wish these spy pictures never came out, they just raised more questions than answers.

I agree.

I will say, that the www.motorauthority.com article seems to be the most legit in my opinion, but who knows!



Peace,

[only1db]

yeah two models...just confuses the situation...i guess we will just have to wait and see...i cant wait to start at the dealership...although they always seem to the last to know about what is coming out ....who knows!

[SuperGLS]

A new article from Winding Road who spoke with John Krafcik states it'll be a V6 and that there will probably be a FWD coupe to fill the Tiburon spot.


WINDING ROAD met with Hyundai VP John Krafcik and company communications man Miles Johnson in Ann Arbor this morning. The two sat in for a quick meeting before a long series of interviews and dealer meetings they’re doing in the area. We discussed our recent Hyundai cover story (“Hell Freezes Over”), which had a tremendous amount of reader response–particularly to the image of the black coupe that we featured as a part of their forthcoming product strategy.

Krafcik went on record to specifically note that the new rear-drive coupe will not have a V-8, but rather a V-6. When we pressed him on whether the car would have turbochargers or superchargers, he deflected our query. We never got a straight answer on that question, but he did specifically say we’d be very impressed with the power-to-weight ratio in the car when it hits production. He also took a few friendly jabs at our design (above) and said that the production model is quite a ways away from what we dreamed up. He said it would be even better.

This coupe will be based on the new rear-drive Genesis. There’s still talk of a separate, front-drive coupe for our market (to make up for the 20,000 or so sales of Tiburons in the U.S. every year), which Krafcik says could end up looking a lot like the recent Veloster show car from a few months back.

Overall, we’re upbeat on Hyundai as usual. What other car magazine put a Hyundai on one of their covers? We love a good underdog here at WINDING ROAD. We look forward to driving the Genesis when it’s available.

http://news.windingroad.com/body-stylesmarket-segment/coupes/hyundai-our-new-rwd-coupe-will-be-v-6-not-v-8

[hyunelan2]

boooooo, no V8. :(

[Silentwolf]

Thats fine. A 3.3 lamda or even the 3.8 from the Azera would kick arse as long as the weight is good. To be competitive it needs to be under 3300lbs (350Z's weight) Don't expect it to meet the Z's power initially but it will be a good start. And the fact that he wants to deflect on the boosting applications is probably a good inclination to turbo 4 banger.

[BColeman]

I tell you what, regardless of the direction Hyundai is taking in these rumors, that is just pure sexy to see what appears to be a RWD layout, turbocharged, in what appears to be a Tiburon. I think it is just beautiful. The layout reminds me of the Japanese Silvias, except in these pics, the turbo and IM are swapped, like a 2JZ motor. I also like the coil on plug arrangement they have going on, and the appearance of a true dual cam, unlike the way our Beta's are.

[SuperGLS]

Everything else I've read seems to indicate it'll be the 3.8l, upped in HP department to around 300. If they can free up 40HP from the 3.8l that would be pretty cool.

[PSUsouthpaw]

Wonder how soon we'll get more news on this...

[hyunelan2]

Wonder how soon we'll get more news on this...

I know what you mean. I was able to forget about this for a while, now I'm curious again, but there's not much news to ease my curiosity.

[only1db]

btw....it was confirmed that this car is called the bk and will have three motor choices...

2.4 turbo
3.8 v6
and a 4.6 dohc v8.....

according to my source....and all of the spy pics are of that car....due here next year by summer.....

[SuperGLS]

All news has pointed towards a 2.0l turbo, not a 2.4l, and, John Krafcik just said no V8 (at least to start with).

I'd be weary of your source. A lot of dealer people don't know poop.

New picture.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/Randomas32/0.jpg

[BColeman]

I believe it's the 2.0L turbo. They aren't ready to boost the World Motor yet, and that's what that 2.4L motor will be. When the Evo X comes out, I'd really like to see an upgrade from the 2.0L motor to the World Motor 2.4L boosted version. And that may lead to the new Tiburons drivetrain later on down the road.

[TheHybrid]

This talk makes me excited, as the next car I get (in like 6 years!) may very well be a tiburon. I love the 06 models look.... and if you supercharge/turbo it you can really have some fun it seems.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

I believe it's the 2.0L turbo. They aren't ready to boost the World Motor yet, and that's what that 2.4L motor will be. .

Really? so the new SRT-4 engine isn't really the world motor? Or it's not really boosted to 300hp? And what about this:
http://www.seoulfulracing.com/bk1.jpg

That's a timing Chain engine, not a belt. Therefore it's running a turbocharged Theta-derivative. AKA World motor.

[hyunelan2]

Wasn't the Theta (aka World engine) supposed to be around in both 2.4 and 2.0 flavors? Also, Mitsu and Chrysler have had plenty of time to play with the engine and get power out of it in their lineups. It's not really "new," just underused by Hyundai at the moment.

Also, from that last spy picture the car doesn't look too friendly to tall people. Can probably write this one off like the Eclipse, 350z, etc that I can't fit in without cramming my head into the roof.

[only1db]

ok...source was just in chicago for training for a world competition of technicians over in korea....the guys he was training with know their stuff...


it WILL be a 2.4....again look its not a belt...it has a chain. and i believe that the srt-4 will be the world motor boosted.

but again....you dont know till it comes out...

i have also heard that the tib will be done with....and i have also heard that there will be two cars...a fwd and a rwd...so who knows.

[BColeman]

Really? so the new SRT-4 engine isn't really the world motor? Or it's not really boosted to 300hp? And what about this:

That's a timing Chain engine, not a belt. Therefore it's running a turbocharged Theta-derivative. AKA World motor.

Bob, I had no idea that the SRT-4 was concidered to have the world engine. Seriously, I had no clue. I'll retract my previous statement then. And the SRT-4 motors are timing chain too then correct? Or are you saying that the difference between the two is that SRT-4 has a belt, and the world motor has a chain?

I'm still trying to get all the lingo together for the World Motor and this Theta version, etc. So I guess now would be a good time to settle that debt, huh Bob? Insert feet into mouth.

[SuperGLS]

I'm not saying a 2.0l Beta by any means, I'm just saying a 2.0l (Theta or otherwise).

EDIT - Turns out that last picture I posted with the newspaper is actually an Aston Martin. Not a Hyundai.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

I wondered about that James, looked JUST LIKE A vanquish

The SRT-4's (the new caliber, not the chitty neon) has the new version of thde world motor, a 2.4L

[SuperGLS]

Here is a link to the Motor Trend info:

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6213038/car-news/next-generation-hyundai-tiburon-will-be-rwd-report-says/

Also, check this thread for thoughts from NT:

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24695

Post all thoughts in this thread please.

[hyunelan2]

For those who don't want to search through everything, I'll put it here. I'm not stating it as fact, just moving some of the information posted elsewhere into here:

Based on Genesis RWD sedan - which will be introduced first. Possible convertible down the line.

For the KDM version: 2.0L turbo (215hp) or 3.8L Lambda (280hp). Hinting at unknown F.I. possibility on the v6. Still no sign of the Tau v8, although the Genesis sedan version is supposed to have the v8 option.

Bigger, the size of a G35 (when I saw the first on-road pic I thought, wow, that could be a G35).

Korean Launch date of March, 2008. North American launch: "in late 2008 or early 2009"

Rumors still around that the BK is not going to be called "tiburon": "this Hyundai's first RWD coupe will not be the new generation tib."

Conflicting pricing info:
* The top of the line model will have a starting price of 25,000 and options will be around another 4,000
* The base price should come in around $30,000 when it hits showrooms next summer.

Links to hi-res pictures
http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/multi_image/national/2007/07/16/76654/%C5%A9%B1%E2%BA%AF%C8%AF_IMG_2049.JPG
http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/multi_image/national/2007/07/16/76654/%C5%A9%B1%E2%BA%AF%C8%AF_IMG_2044.JPG
http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/multi_image/national/2007/07/16/76654/%C5%A9%B1%E2%BA%AF%C8%AF_IMG_2046.JPG

All new spyshots:
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/hyundai-rwd-coupe-spy-shots-ii/

[joph09]

wow exciting. hey there's an xd with chrome headlights in the first pic

[SuperGLS]

Thanks Mike.

[only1db]

i still dont think its a 2.0 they have yet to come out with the world 2.0...besides the 2.4 will be the same block as the new evo...i beleive that the 2.4 is the more likely canidate.

[golfino]

The Latest Pix, quite a few of them, and latest info

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/13608/spied-2010-hyundai-tiburon-rear-drive-with-a-v-8.html?al=99

[only1db]

the headlamps look like the current tib....but i dont like the body lines on the current tib though....same with the angles on the front fenders...

who knows....

[NovaResource]

New pictures (no more hatch):

http://images.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070803.001/6070803.001.Mini2L.jpg

http://images.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070803.001/6070803.001.Mini3L.jpg

http://images.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070803.001/6070803.001.Mini4L.jpg

http://images.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070803.001/6070803.001.Mini5L.jpg

http://images.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070803.001/6070803.001.Mini6L.jpg

http://images.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070803.001/6070803.001.Mini1L.jpg

[Silentwolf]

Its at least bigger opening than a G5 or Cobalt!
Thats a lil disappointing, but aside from the 350Z who else really has a RWD coupe/hatch? None that i can recall so i guess not much of a market for it.

[NovaResource]

but aside from the 350Z who else really has a RWD coupe/hatch?

Audi TT (OK, AWD):
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2008/Audi/2008.audi.tt.20112101-E.jpg

BMW M Coupe:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2007/BMW/2007.bmw.m.20108326-E.jpg

Chevrolet Corvette:
http://images.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0408_Exclusive_Under_The_Skin_Of_The_2005_Chev rolet_Corvette_C6+2005_Chevrolet_Corvette_C6+Trunk _View.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/EI/2007/Chevrolet/2007.chevrolet.corvette.20101538-E.jpg

Chrysler Crossfire:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2004/Chrysler/100303167/2004.chrysler.crossfire.25055-E.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2004/Chrysler/100303167/2004.chrysler.crossfire.25061-E.jpg

Jaguar XK-Series:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Jaguar/2007.jaguar.xkseries.20102181-E.jpg

[hyunelan2]

I'm actually happy it's not a hatch. I think it's more functional (both in the back seat and storage area) to have a trunk separate from the passenger cabin. It should have less road noise that way too.

[NovaResource]

I'm actually happy it's not a hatch. I think it's more functional (both in the back seat and storage area) to have a trunk separate from the passenger cabin. It should have less road noise that way too.

I like the utility of the hatch but I agree with you. Because it has a trunk with a rear bulkhead, it will probably be more rigid too.

[saturn]

unrelated, but the guy in the white tshirt looks a bit slobby to be testing such an awesome car... wtf! I want that job.

[Matrixloader]

"The Tiburon GT is a nose-heavy, overweight, underachieving, "chick"-car.
Its Delta V6 is a torqueless, inefficient, gas-guzzling, underpowered engine."

I Don't Believe this comment!!!
how do you know if it not out to test drive yet? unless your the tester.

EDIT : never mind i think he is talking about the old tib's v6 i forgot the new one is a different v6.

[hyunelan2]

"The Tiburon GT is a nose-heavy, overweight, underachieving, "chick"-car.
Its Delta V6 is a torqueless, inefficient, gas-guzzling, underpowered engine."

I Don't Believe this comment!!!
how do you know if it not out to test drive yet? unless your the tester.

Because that comment is regarding the current Tiburon - from something that happened a while ago. Look closer and you'll see it's discussing the Delta, which obviously is not in the next-gen Tiburon.


Let's leave that alone.

[Silentwolf]

Ok i was thinking in the 25-35k category that the Tib should be competing in. Tho that Audi is just barely.
Didn't even think about the crossfire or realize it was a hatch.
Actually not many RWD (or AWD)coupes under 35k when u look.
TT (AWD and $34,800 start tag)
350Z (or slightly more expensive sibling G35)
Crossfire
Mustang
RX8
Selecting only Base models the Mustang is the cheapest @ $19K. So if that Tib is going to get any attention, its going to have to start around that price point with similar or better numbers. While on the other end, the G35 (loaded luxury) is 34k so it better not be more than or even equal to that.

Want the good ol days of a small cheap RWD 4banger aka 240sx remake.

[SuperGLS]

Those taillights look good, no yellow/amber. Sounds good to me.

[only1db]

yeah i agree...they look kinda like a new take on the santa fe tails.

i too would like to see a hatch....subs will almost always sound like *** in a trunk....but i have a feeling that the stock stereo will not have to be replaced...like the xd needed to be.

[xdforme22]

:abovelol: I have the same premonition.

[Matrixloader]

I think the G35 looks good , and the next generation tib looks really similar to it, not a hatch, similar style tails, both cars are about the same size, similar body style.

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/1ds-13/infiniti-g35-coupe-yosemite.jpg

[only1db]

the lead salesman and the part owner both have g35's i think they are bad *** and look he part aswell...if hyundai had to copy a car...that was the right one to copy!! although the *** looks a little more frumpy then the g...

[SuperGLS]

Some chops based off the spy shots. I hope it ends up looking a little less like the current Tiburon. And I hope that they offer it in that orange, gray and of course white and that'll be good.

http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/multi_image/national/2007/08/07/63928/bkall.jpg

[hyunelan2]

image link not working for me, here's the location of the picture from SuperGLS' post that isn't showing for me:

Copy-paste
http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/multi_image/national/2007/08/07/63928/bkall.jpg

[SuperGLS]

It's funny, I didn't even notice it was from BD. Over at CSS they can link to BD pics with no problem, hence, I saw it with no problem, and when I posted it there was no problem. Hmm. Thanks Mike.

[only1db]

if thats what it ends up looking like...i'm all for it!

[SuperGLS]

Maybe it'll look like this?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/nonchang/bk-f1.jpg

[hyunelan2]

Maybe it'll look like this?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/nonchang/bk-f1.jpg

Where did that picture come from? The appearance of it looks somewhat accurate with the portions of car you can see in the spyshots.

[SuperGLS]

I found that picture on CSS. I hope the headlights and grill look different.

[only1db]

me too...but again...we wont know till it gets undressed.

[hyunelan2]

Looks like we see the debut in November @ Los Angeles.

http://www.projo.com/projocars/content/ca_hyundai300hp_08-12-07_MK6MHPQ.1af9022.html
Hyundai Motor toys with 300 hp sports car

01:00 AM EDT on Sunday, August 12, 2007

By Mike Ramsey and Alan Ohnsman

Bloomberg News

Hyundai Motor Co., South Korea’s largest automaker, will unveil a new sports-car concept in November at the Los Angeles Auto Show as the company works to shed its image as a cut-rate brand.

The model will be a 300-horsepower, rear-wheel-drive coupe with an “affordable” price, John Krafcik, Hyundai’s U.S. product development chief, said today at an automotive conference in Traverse City, Michigan.

The model will be the “most thrilling, most emotional car has ever created,” Krafcik said. It will replace the front-wheel-drive Tiburon sports car, industry publication Automotive News reported July 30, citing a Hyundai source it didn’t identify.

Adding the sports car would be Hyundai’s latest step beyond its longtime focus on compacts and small sedans. In March, Seoul-based Hyundai introduced its Veracruz sport-utility vehicle to compete with Honda Motor Co.’s Pilot and Toyota Motor Corp.’s Highlander. It sells for as much as $38,000.

Hyundai expanded U.S. sales volume fivefold from 1998 to 2005, surging to 455,012 vehicles. Sales were little changed last year, up just 0.1 percent, and are down 0.4 percent in 2007. That reduces the likelihood Hyundai will meet a goal of selling 500,000 autos in the U.S. this year.

Hyundai spokesman Miles Johnson said the sports-car concept will be about the size of a Ford Motor Co. Mustang. Hyundai hasn’t said when the car would reach U.S. dealers.

[joph09]

jeez that pic makes the front end look like a mouse

[PSUsouthpaw]

"affordable"

Can mean so many things. Affordable to whom, I suppose, is the real question.

[only1db]

^i dont care....i will be buying this car...it comes out just after my xd is paid off....i cant wait!

[hyunelan2]

Although obviously excited about the 2-door sports car, I'm more excited about the 4-door sedan which the tiburon/newneamecar is based off of.

[Mobius1]

You know I thought that was a Michigan plate on that car, thats what all the stupid new plates look like. I really hope to see this car some time soon. I have a feeling that we'll be seeing it sooner than we all think.

[only1db]

Although obviously excited about the 2-door sports car, I'm more excited about the 4-door sedan which the tiburon/newneamecar is based off of.

i believe that the genesis is the final name for the BH...

i hope to see them in person soon.:bowdown:


but man a 4.6 v8 rwd and six speed auto....man that is going tobe sick!!

hell the azera is a freakin pretty quick car (finally did a PDI on one and was able to take one out for a cruise) i still couldnt believe that its a 28k car...its pretty nice.

[Matrixloader]

yeah the fist time i actually saw an azera was at my ford dealership and when i saw i was like "is that a hyundai?" wow! i thought it was a mercedes or some other high class car. i stopped and checked the thing out and was really impressed it, the interior and exterior was really nice.

[only1db]

ok...i was in orlando and still am till tomorrow for training....our instructor had the BK up on the screen...

it will be turbo in all of its forms....2.4 and 3.3 turbo....i was arguing about the 3.3 but he said that the BK WILL be turbo...i dont care what motor it has in it...if its turbo....we can make it a buttload faster...also means that he aftermarket will difinetly take notice.

but could you imagine a 3.3t....

off topic....hybrid accent and elantra will be stateside come 2010

[Munky]

Mmm.....3.3 turbo.

That sounds fun.

[hyunelan2]

Well, there's the 300hp they were talking about. The 3.3L Lambda is 234hp. A F.I. system increases output 28% = 300hp. Ok F.I. people, is 28% the kind of number increase you would see by adding a turbo?

[PSUsouthpaw]

ok...i was in orlando and still am till tomorrow for training....our instructor had the BK up on the screen...

it will be turbo in all of its forms....2.4 and 3.3 turbo....i was arguing about the 3.3 but he said that the BK WILL be turbo...i dont care what motor it has in it...if its turbo....we can make it a buttload faster...also means that he aftermarket will difinetly take notice.

but could you imagine a 3.3t....

off topic....hybrid accent and elantra will be stateside come 2010

How reliable is this source? No offense meant, but thats a big bit of news right there.

[hyunelan2]

Has there been a turbo 6-cyl anywhere on the market in the last 10 years? (outside of Porsche, etc).

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Nope. Even Toyoduh went with V8's in the Lexus lineup, so did Nissan with Infiniti.

[only1db]

i dont know...

he is the trainer for the Hyundai Miami training center...he runs both that site and a satelite in orlando...

he hasnt been wrong before...he has been with hyundai for a long time....i'm sure he has inside info...

he also said that the bk is in cali now under going testing...

[hyunelan2]

Just to get some people's hopes up (hehe):

The 1978 Porsche 930/960 version of the 911 had a 3.3L Turbo Engine. That yielded 300bhp @ 5500rpm, and propelled the car 0-60 in 5.3 seconds; top speed over 160mph.

Now, that's got nothing to do with anything, but showing what is capable with a 3.3T. The 1990 911 also used a 3.3T, 320hp engine. That car did 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. I'm really not finding anyone other that Porsche that used a 3.3T.

[PSUsouthpaw]

interesting. Well...the next few years are going to be extremely interesting for the Hyundai community

[Matrixloader]

there have been 6cyl turbo's before like the japanese 3.5L turbo nissan G35, well only in japan.

the new U.S spec skyline will also be 6cyl turbo

[BobMs_wht2k2]

i dont know...

he is the trainer for the Hyundai Miami training center...he runs both that site and a satelite in orlando...

he hasnt been wrong before...he has been with hyundai for a long time....i'm sure he has inside info...

he also said that the bk is in cali now under going testing...

My bad, I know better than to question the almighty in regards to anything. Please accept my humblest of apologies. :bowdown:

[Matrixloader]

oh and dont forget the 90's 2.5l inline 6 supra turbo
and the mitsubishi 3000gt 3.0L vr4 turbo
and the nissan 300Z 3.0L 6cyl Turbo

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Mike said "In the last 10 years". . . so all of those were ending their runs by 1997/1998.

[hyunelan2]

I don't think I saw this here. Interior spy shot:

http://images.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070820.001/6070820.001.Mini2L.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070820.001/6070820.001.Mini2L.jpg



The door pulls are very "tiburon"

[Cypher]

this had better be offered with a 6 speed manual!

[Tricked]

...and digital climate control. Damn KDM models.:mad:

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Ask the "Master"bater I'm sure he knows :rolleyes:

I have a bad feelin this car is only going to be offered in an auto with "manumatic" functions and possibly paddle "shifters".

[John98Elantra]

Nissan and Toyota both had six cylinder turbo engines with 300 hp. The Supra Turbo and the 300ZX Turbo although that was over 10 years ago.

BMW has a twin turbo six with 300 hp just recently released.

[hyunelan2]

Notice the shifter. It is more like it should be (with the manumatic + / - near the driver). Instead of the way it had been with the + / - controls farther away from the driver.

[Cypher]

boooo. That'll just ruin the car for me.

[hyunelan2]

BMW has a twin turbo six with 300 hp just recently released.

Yes, on the upcoming 135i. It's a twin-turbo 3.0L in-line six. http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=831

[SuperGLS]

Didn't Audi have a 2.7l biturbo on their A6s last generation?

Guys, keep the snide comments and lame personal attacks to yourself... thank you children.

I would be hesitant about this news, Hyundai seems to always tell people one thing and go with something else. But, these aren't so crazy that they wouldn't be true. The car should be more than capable.

Off topic about the Accent, ehh, I wouldn't get too excited about it, it was originally supposed to be here in 2008 and it seems they are having a lot of issues with it (not just R&D and technology issues).

[only1db]

the first pics were of a manual...i'm almost positive there will be a 6 speed...

bob...if you dont believe my source then fine...i happen to think that he is a credible source.....and a wealth of information that dealerships do not have the priviledge of having...being as 1. he has no reason to lie or speculate 2. if he didnt know he would not have said anything.

[moonlite5hadow]

boooo. That'll just ruin the car for me.

the car was ruined when i heard it was a 4-door. if i wanna buy a sporty car its because its sporty. i dont want a 9 sec. car to haul the family around in. (9 sec is exaggerated, though im sure some super-modded tibs could do a :09 quarter mile)

like my buddy said about a lancer we saw, "you dont need a back seat, you need a roll cage."

[Keyan]

the car was ruined when i heard it was a 4-door. if i wanna buy a sporty car its because its sporty. i dont want a 9 sec. car to haul the family around in. (9 sec is exaggerated, though im sure some super-modded tibs could do a :09 quarter mile)

like my buddy said about a lancer we saw, "you dont need a back seat, you need a roll cage."

how the hell can the coupe version of the 4 door genesis be a 4 door? LOL

[only1db]

^ its not going to be a couple version of the genesis...they will just share the platform....it doesnt look like the genisis at all...nor will it have a v8...

to answer the turbo questions...

the supra was a twin turbo same with the VR4 3000gt and the 300zx

audi did have the RS4 which was a 2.8 twin turbo and the rs6 is a 4.2 v8 twin turbo.

[hyunelan2]

the car was ruined when i heard it was a 4-door. if i wanna buy a sporty car its because its sporty. i dont want a 9 sec. car to haul the family around in. (9 sec is exaggerated, though im sure some super-modded tibs could do a :09 quarter mile)

like my buddy said about a lancer we saw, "you dont need a back seat, you need a roll cage."

I beleive that you are super-confused.


Hyundai has more than one new car coming out. The BH 'Genesis' which is the 4-door RWD sedan. And the BK 'Tiburon' which is the 2-door RWD Coupe.

[SuperGLS]

I beleive that you are super-confused.

Yes, you were. Thanks for the help there Mike.

[moonlite5hadow]

I beleive that you are super-confused.


Hyundai has more than one new car coming out. The BH 'Genesis' which is the 4-door RWD sedan. And the BK 'Tiburon' which is the 2-door RWD Coupe.

yup, confused. my bad :D in that case, i like the tiburon. (i really need to start paying attention...) but as stated by others, i'll be sad if for some reason there is no 6 speed mt version coming out. either way, i think i like the '06 tib too much anyway.

[robs02elantra]

someone good at searching sites needs to take a look at the Toronto Star website, I saw an article the other day about Hyundai debuting the next Tiburon (not called the tiburon) which is supposed to be a 300hp rwd car based on the genesis. I can't seem to find the article now, but the debut is supposed to happen at the LA car show this year.

[hyunelan2]

Found a turbo 6-cyl: the current Saab 9-3 Aero has a 2.8L Turbocharged 6 cylinder rated at 250hp.

[slow 2K2GT]

You can see the striking similarities from the GK to the BK in that last photo. The top vent got moved down a little, but they looked gawdy up top on the GK anyhow. Im really liking the way these spy shots are coming out.

[05xd]

I would love to have the next "Tiburon" but may be leaning towards the Genesis when it comes out

[only1db]

^ its going to be upwards of 30k...

[xdforme22]

^ its going to be upwards of 30k...

just to clarify, tib or genesis?

[hyunelan2]

+30K will probably the higher-end Tib (with the v6) and the Genesis... unless they put a smaller engine option in the Genesis.

[SuperGLS]

Well Hyundai already said that the Genesis will start under $30K ($29995 probably, ha). That one will probably have the 3.8l and not as many of the cool stuff on it.

I expect the Tiburon to be a little less expensive to start and perhaps the top of the line model to be be hitting $33-35K. Maybe?

[silversharkXD2]

There was an article this month in SCC that talked about the new tib and the motor possibilities. They also said that hyundai has been doing market research about drifting...That might make the RWD thought more credible.

[only1db]

there is no doubt about RWD...the doubt comes in to play with engine choices...nobody knows for sure....

**** all we have seen are the 2.4 turbo....

the genesis will be more expensive....my guess is what super said...starting at 29 and moving upwards of 33 or so.

[silversharkXD2]

they said the v8 is unlikely. But they declined to answer on forced induction. This probably means they are considering it and are keeping it quiet

[only1db]

off topic...but thats ok...

the BH horsepower numbers are out on edmunds....380 hp from the 4.6 v8

[hyunelan2]

off topic...but thats ok...

the BH horsepower numbers are out on edmunds....380 hp from the 4.6 v8

Good God :eek: . That's a butt-ton-o-power. I can't wait to test drive a Genesis.

[xdforme22]

Good God :eek: . That's a butt-ton-o-power. I can't wait to test drive a Genesis.

I second that. Should be interesting to see how it stacks up against the competition.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Good God :eek: . That's a butt-ton-o-power. I can't wait to test drive a Genesis.

I can. Because I believe if I drive a 380hp, RWD hyundai, I will be divorced.

[hyunelan2]

I second that. Should be interesting to see how it stacks up against the competition.

Hell, the closest V8 RWD competitor would be the Mustang, wouldn't it? Obviusly they aren't competitors though, as the Genesis is a performance Sedan vs. the sport couple.

Also, the new M3 is 4.0L, 420-hp V8. Other than that car, I can't think of anything.

[xdforme22]

Yeah, I forgot the RWD drive part of the equation. BMW is definitely a candidate. Possibly the Infinity g35 (or is the sedan FWD)?

[BobMs_wht2k2]

G35, I350, G8, 300C, C-class Merc, Crown Vic/town-car/grand marquis, CTS, STS. . . . all those will be in it's "class". Alot are close in price as well.

[Matrixloader]

380hp on a luxury car for under 30k? can't beat that.

[hyunelan2]

I doubt the v8 version will be under 30K. The barebones v6 will likely be the $29,999 version. People on CSS are speculating the car will top out somewhere under the $45K mark.

[Pete03GLS]

i am liking these spy shots. but it seems to me that the headlights seem a tad small... like... a small body with a big head, but just the oppotise, small head big body... maybe its cuz of the cover ups, but thats what i think. that the headlights r not proportional to the size of the rest of the car... but hopefully its just me, n they will actually look good.

[only1db]

it will look nice...some of the mock ups floating around...definetly look nice.

but again..w.e shall see...

[SuperGLS]

Engine pics.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0709_z+2009_hyundai_tiburon+engine_1.jpg

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0709_z+2009_hyundai_tiburon+engine_2.jpg

[hyunelan2]

Longitudinal oriented 4-cyl, with charge piping, and coil-over-plug?

translation: RWD, turbo-4cyl?

[xdforme22]

seems like it!!!

[PSUsouthpaw]

Longitudinal oriented 4-cyl, with charge piping, and coil-over-plug?

translation: RWD, turbo-4cyl?

interesting...very interesting...

[hyunelan2]

Another observation, in the first pic, look how far forward the wheels are in relation to the main mass of the engine. Should result in some whoopass handling.

[BColeman]

^^^^ Completely agree.

And I know the engine size has been beat to a dead horse, but it really looks like a 2.4L. I know you can't tell by just seeing the head of the motor, but it resembles the world motor to a T.

The balance of that car is going to be almost perfect. A few tweaks from the aftermarket, and you can definitely say it is a Z killer.

[Matrixloader]

is that a ram air scoop on the front? looks similar to the one from the old camaros.

[TheKoreanSaab]

Hey wonder if you can call it the Hyundai Silvia....lol. Funny how its starting to have the S15 Silvia vibe to it. Before anyone says it I know that most Silvias Came with the SR20 or CA18. But just think this thing could really put up some numbers. Wonder if they will all be turbo or if it will be a option. Tiburons for the most part have always had a engine upgrade.

[Matrixloader]

im sure they are all turbo because a 2.4l with no turbo = 1 slow tib due to the extra weight its now packing.

[only1db]

^^^^ Completely agree.

And I know the engine size has been beat to a dead horse, but it really looks like a 2.4L. I know you can't tell by just seeing the head of the motor, but it resembles the world motor to a T.

The balance of that car is going to be almost perfect. A few tweaks from the aftermarket, and you can definitely say it is a Z killer.

thats already been proven...you can tell its a chain and not a belt...and yes this is more then likely hyundais version of the evo/rallyart motor....that would be my guess...

i too agree with the 50/50 split...hopefully hyundai did their homework on this one....

another thing too is that if they are going with a 2.4 turbo...this car should be on the lighter side...

[PSUsouthpaw]

thats already been proven...you can tell its a chain and not a belt...and yes this is more then likely hyundais version of the evo/rallyart motor....that would be my guess...

i too agree with the 50/50 split...hopefully hyundai did their homework on this one....

another thing too is that if they are going with a 2.4 turbo...this car should be on the lighter side...

Which would explain the exec saying we'd all be surprised at the power/weight ratio

[only1db]

just reading up on the world motor...it goes from 2.0 up to 2.6...so in reality...it still could be a 2.0t...not a 2.4t.

but if its a 2.0 it also means that you could stroke it out to the 2.4 or possibly the 2.6 with different crank and pistons. and possibly rods depending on wrist pin locations.

[Matrixloader]

i hope its a 2.6, that would bring out more torque.

[only1db]

i believe chyrsler is using the 2.6...but still even then...the crank, rods, and pistons or some various combination could yeild some nice power gains...with everything else stock...

and i'm sure the aftermarket will have some influence aswell...

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Looks like they are shooting for a 4 seat Sky Redline/Solstice GXP competitor with a turbo-4.

Howdy all. . . gotta make this quick before my next unknown reason-ban. :rolleyes:

[SuperGLS]

Kind of new info and some video of the car.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=122503?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1

[xdforme22]

Nice! First vid I've seen.

[slow 2K2GT]

cool, so there is some hard truth finally coming around about it.

[yamaha]

I'm curious to see if the aftermarket will gobble this up and make lots of parts for it.

[Felis-Pardalis]

Look's and sounds great so far, if my XD last till this come's out ill be happy.

[xdforme22]

I'm curious to see if the aftermarket will gobble this up and make lots of parts for it.

Me too! You'd think they would, but then again...

[SuperGLS]

Me too! You'd think they would, but then again...

Yeah, it's still a Hyundai. We'll see, I'm sure there will be more effort with this than the Tiburon (not the that Tib doesn't have a good deal of support already).

[joph09]

bah early 2009...we should hijack one of these prototypes

[xdforme22]

bah early 2009...we should hijack one of these prototypes

That could make a funny news headline :D On a related note, USA Today wrote two articles about spy fotographers in the money section yesterday (Sept 5, 2007).

[Matrixloader]

2.0 turbo? that engine does not look like the current 2.0 beta II, more like a 2.4 maybe and i dont remember seeing a beta II turbocharged making 250hp either, this may be a whole new engine too though, or its also possible that the media has the wrong information since the vehicle is still early in production we will just have to wait and see the truth come out when this car is debuted at the L.A auto show.

[hyunelan2]

FWIW, the Theta engine is supposed to eventually have 2.0 and 2.4 versions. It could be the 2.0 Theta. When they finally get that down, I'd expect the Beta to be phased out.

[joph09]

the beta shoulda been phased out already

[SuperGLS]

FWIW, the Theta engine is supposed to eventually have 2.0 and 2.4 versions. It could be the 2.0 Theta. When they finally get that down, I'd expect the Beta to be phased out.

the beta shoulda been phased out already

We all agree on this one. If there is a Beta in this car I'll be very disappointed with Hyundai. Not because it's a bad engine, but it's not what the Theta can be.

[only1db]

it IS more then likely the world motor...and iirc...dubbed the theta...

the beta will probably see its last days in the HD. curisious to see which motor they put in the touring...

[BobMs_wht2k2]

The Beta. . . . that's already been discussed IIRC.

[xdforme22]

Anyone know when the LA show is?

[Matrixloader]

November 16-25 2007 at the L.A convention center

someone who lives in L.A should go and take alot of pics of the new tib inside and out.

[xdforme22]

So basically we only have two wait for two more months until we finally get two see the tib. Someone should definitely go and take pics two!

[only1db]

super...is there anyway to move ALL the pics to the front of hte post?? just curious...i was traying to show my pops all the pics...and going through pages sucks.

[silversharkXD2]

Here is my question...with the 3 rumored engine choices...which would you rather have.

The turbo charged world engine with aftermarket support already
the likely V6
or the less than likely v8

I'm torn. factory turbo with a supported engine, rumored 300hp from a V6 or the raw power of a V8.

which do you think would gain the most aftermarket support in our community?

[hyunelan2]

Well, the turbo-4 won't necessarily have aftermarket support already. Chrysler and Mitsu's versions are not identical to each other or to Hyundai... so each needs their own aftermarket, although some parts will probably work between the brands.

The V8 would be my choice, as long as it had cylinder deactivation for highway cruising. Since that's not going to happen...

I'd choose the Turbo-6 if that actually has a truth. If not, then the N/A v6. Turbo-4 would be my last choice.

[KeWLKaT]

I like the idea of a turbo 4.

Serisouly. I think after my experience I will try to own as many turbo 4's as I can.

Very very very easy on the gas when you drive them steadily on the highway (not with a 6 cyl), and a lot of torque when you mash on that thing.

Plus, wowzers, the SOUND of a turbo spooling when you are at WOT after downshifting from 5 to 3 on the highway....... PURE SEX

[silversharkXD2]

yeah...I was thinkin that too. How can you turn down basicaly the same motor that's gonna be in the next evo. I know they(hyundai) have their differences from mitsu's, but it is still the same platform. But man...if you got support for a V8 from the aftermarket, man would that kick *** as well. But then again, there are ALWAYS downsides to aftermarket forced induction. Look at what happened to Toy's rid. A factory turbo would have so may possibilities for tuning.

[KeWLKaT]

toy's ride was a customized setup, his ''own-made'' return line blew, I would say it's entirely install fault.

we are talking about an OEM, warrantied engine and turbocharger here.

[silversharkXD2]

Thats what I meant...custom setupe on the v6 or v8 would be more hassel than going with the factory turbo. so if you want forced induction, it would be better to go with the 4cyl. instead of trying to boost the other 2 choices.

[KeWLKaT]

Ah!

Well then I totally agree with you sir!

[xdforme22]

we are talking about an OEM, warrantied engine and turbocharger here.

That's what makes me excited!:D

[hyunelan2]

I wonder what kind of warranty the FI engines will get? I only say that because didn't Hyundai only guarantee the dealers that they would continue the 10/100 until 2009 (its been extended once already)? As sales and consumer confidence increase, they can decrease the warranty. We all know the longevity of FI engines is somewhat less than a N/A counterpart. I could see Hyundai only carrying them 5/60 or something.

[OPZ]

Im not sure...that might turn a lot of people off since its a "nice warrenty for good cars."

People look at it as 'better safe then sorry' credo, and will probably be expecting that.

[Matrixloader]

what about kia's version of the tib the TT killer that they mentioned, hyundai always has half brothers with kia so their version should also offer a turbo version of the new tib, i thought it was also suposed to come out around the same time as the tib.

[04 elantra cvvt]

what about kia's version of the tib the TT killer that they mentioned, hyundai always has half brothers with kia so their version should also offer a turbo version of the new tib, i thought it was also suposed to come out around the same time as the tib.

While this is true, the never offered a Kia counterpart to the Tib.

[Matrixloader]

right right but kia suposed to start production on a RWD coupe that is also turbo charged and production is said to start by 2009, im guessing if this vehicle does comes out in North america along with the new tib it will be a huge boost to the Hyundai/kia brands.

i found this concept pic of the BK's half bro
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/nonchang/national1183731645.jpg

here is the article on it http://exoticcars-nightrider.blogspot.com/2007/07/kia-sports-coupe.html
and
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/14/frankfurt-preview-kia-releases-second-tease-of-sport-coupe-conc/

[OPZ]

That is the first curvy modern car that I have seen that I liked...

[chillbro1]

bah early 2009...we should hijack one of these prototypes

Honestly, I think from some of the pictures in this thread particularly of the interior and trim the car will be launched sooner than early 2009.

Usually with prototypes, if the plastic trim pieces have a pattern to them (which they appear to in some photos), that typically means there is a casting that has been developed for it. Not easy or cheap to change those castings...so you can consider them production ready. Couple that with the launch at the LA Auto Show...and I'd be hard pressed to think that the car was still 16 to 18 months away as the Edmunds video suggests. Seems like there would be too much time for the hype about the car to settle.

Plus, the Edmunds video also states that the launch of the Genesis will be in late 2008.

I have a few media related sources that say that car will be here by late Spring and that is at the latest.

Oh well, guess it all remains to be seen...


Peace,