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BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 10:46 AM
just how shady they were.


So You Want to Work for the Clintons ?

Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clintons

1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3- Vince Foster - Former White House counselor and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.

5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992

6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a " Dear friend and trusted advisor".

7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November
1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock .
Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 f rom an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiance of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiance, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiance.

13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contracto r for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992.
She died in a one car accident.

17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter.
Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whit ewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr.
Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.

23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.

24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 -Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty.
His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.


THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988


30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".

34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
40-Major General William Robertson
41-Col. William Densberger
42-Col. Robert Kelly
43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
44-Steve Willis
45-Robert Williams
46-Conway LeBleu
47-Todd McKeehan
Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clinton 's

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT?

hyunelan2
11-20-2007, 10:54 AM
That list comes from the "Friends of Bill" list, not Hillary. Although I wish Hillary was on that list, it seems kinda like political slander to associate it with her.

Munky
11-20-2007, 10:56 AM
Screw Hillary...she has a mullet.

I don't want a president with a mullet.

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 10:58 AM
Just off the top of my head, wasn't Vince Foster one of her "friends" from her law firm?

hyunelan2
11-20-2007, 10:59 AM
Yeah, but I'd say his association with the white house, not his association with Hillary, is what let him to "suicide."

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 11:02 AM
And you're telling me that she has nothing to do with ANY of their sorted affairs? Yeah right. . . and Bush is pro-abortion. :rolleyes:

hyunelan2
11-20-2007, 11:04 AM
Bob, we know your feelings towards Hillary, most of us share them. But using anti-Bill stuff in an anti-Hillary way makes you look like one of the babbling neocons on Fox News.

Munky
11-20-2007, 11:07 AM
Like that blubbering vagina, Bill O'Reilly?

Silentwolf
11-20-2007, 11:09 AM
I'm sure you can find a list just as long, if not longer, of those dealing with Bush.

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 11:10 AM
And yet you have STILL not answered my question. You expect me to believe she had NOTHING to do with ANY of Bill's crap? That would be like my wife not knowing about anything I do. . . .not going to happen.

She at the VERY LEAST is an accessory to the fact.

Doohickie
11-20-2007, 11:14 AM
Nice, Bob. Too bad there's nothing to it (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp):
Nothing ties Clinton to any of these deaths, something this list (and others of its ilk) conveniently glosses over.

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 11:27 AM
They don't call him "Slick Willy" for nothing.

I always find it funny that the same people that scream "Conspiracy" about bush, seem to ignore all the crap about Clinton.

Silentwolf
11-20-2007, 11:31 AM
Good ol Teflon Suit.
But weird note, Bush's rating have been going down with all the problems.
With Clinton, his ratings went up with the problems.
Figure that one out.

cclngthr
11-20-2007, 11:35 AM
They don't call him "Slick Willy" for nothing.

I always find it funny that the same people that scream "Conspiracy" about bush, seem to ignore all the crap about Clinton.

This can be said about any politician.

Doohickie
11-20-2007, 11:41 AM
You can (and some people have) put together a similar list for Bush. But I'm not in that business. From the link I posted,
Whereas a typical private citizen has a much smaller circle of acquaintence, those in public offic come into contact with a great many people over the course of their careers. It is therefore not ununusual to find at least a few accidental deaths, homicides, and suicides among any politician's list of contacts...

One final question to ask yourself before falling for any Clinton Body Count list: If the Chief Executive was having people bumped off left, right, and center, why aren't Monica Lewinsky and Linda Tripp on this list?

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 11:45 AM
Simple answer, they were too public. Most of these on the list were before becoming president and were local (to Arkansas), not national figures.

Doohickie
11-20-2007, 12:56 PM
I bet you still worry about the monsters under your bed, Bob. They MIGHT BE THERE!!! :poke:

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 01:45 PM
Nope, it just further's my belief that people will jump on any bandwagon that they want to, regardless of proof, facts or evidence.

Doohickie
11-20-2007, 01:59 PM
You posted an internet hoax.... you have *not* presented any facts, proof *or* evidence that links it to the Clintons.

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 02:27 PM
And any other conspiracy is no different. Show me otherwise. Conspiracies are great if they make fun of bush. But bring up the golden boy Billy and now you're an azz.

hyunelan2
11-20-2007, 02:36 PM
Nope, it just further's my belief that people will jump on any bandwagon that they want to, regardless of proof, facts or evidence.

...see also, Bush Administration + WMD in Iraq.

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 02:37 PM
and Clinton and Somalia. . . . Johnson and Vietnam. . . .Truman and Korea. . . .

evan938
11-20-2007, 03:26 PM
you know bob, i could probably post a list of ~3,000 people bush had killed since the invasion of iraq. i can start posting names whenever you're ready. couple of them i went to school with

quit posting your right wing bull**** and trying to make it seem as if you're always right. munky wasnt completely correct...bill-o isnt the only blubbering vagina, you're up there with him

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 03:36 PM
Well, it went from a logical conversation to evan's name calling. Nice. just when I think you might have a little maturity you stoop to this.

Here's a little difference in case you're too stupid to figure it out: those were 3000 soldiers, who KNOWINGLY put thier lives on the line to defend thier country, not a prosecutor or investigator getting gunned down (or a pregnant woman in at least one case).

So Evan, until you can grow up and join a discussion without being a name calling whiney azz biatch, don't even bother clicking the links.

Silentwolf
11-20-2007, 04:03 PM
No but i know of a CAI operative, whom Bush administration leaked (which is treason), and hunting buddy who was somehow accidentally shot. There are lots more.
Each pres has been a bit dirty, just some more so than others. However, i still feel Bush is the dirtiest.

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 04:04 PM
Ahh. . .how young you are. You've "experienced" what. . .3 presidents? One of which left office when you were 2 or 3? Trust me, Bush has been above boards compared to many others. But thanks to an instantaneaous global press, anything he does is underscrutiny the instant it happens.

Doohickie
11-20-2007, 04:22 PM
Bush has been above boards compared to many others.

That is a matter of opinion, not a fact.

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 04:23 PM
That is a matter of opinion, not a fact.

As is your opinions. We're not talking about fact or fiction, nor have I once said anything is pure fact. So stop pulling a Colin and trying to confuse the topic.

If you wanted to get technical, he would be "better" than Billy boy. He hasn't been impeached.

hyunelan2
11-20-2007, 04:55 PM
All depends on how you want to quantify "good and bad." If we go by approval ratings, nobody's worse than Bush.

Bob, you make the perfect Republican't. Even if all the facts, evidence, and opinion has you in the wrong, you "stay the course" and don't waiver a bit. (where I come from, we would call that obstinate).

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 05:08 PM
No, I don't. I have my beliefs and convictions that don't get changed by popular opinions. I have my morals that were handed down to me over generations of good people. Facts can be manipulated, "evidence" is in the eye of the beholder and opinions. . .well we all know about those.

Everybody is entitled to thier opinions and I will stand by mine that Slick Willy was the worse thing to ever happen to this country as a whole. Last I checked, I am still entitled to my opinions and still have the right to voice them.

Last thought:


I still hold hope for us as a country. A leader will come along that will lead us out of this bs we have let our political system become. We will have a leader that puts us on top of the world and straightens out our "issues". That is what I dream and hope for. Call me a romantic, call me an idiot, but I still have hope for the best country in the world.

hyunelan2
11-20-2007, 05:15 PM
I still hold hope for us as a country. A leader will come along that will lead us out of this bs we have let our political system become. We will have a leader that puts us on top of the world and straightens out our "issues". That is what I dream and hope for. Call me a romantic, call me an idiot, but I still have hope for the best country in the world.

I agree. It is just unfortunate that such a person will come along, but won't be voted-in because they are a member of the wrong party.

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 05:16 PM
I think you're wrong. Both parties have pissed off their constituents that people are ready for someone better, someone different.

tharptroy
11-20-2007, 05:20 PM
Bob, you're forgetting about the thousands of people that bush had killed on 9/11.

There's probably enough evidence in that "loose change" video to make an open and shut case.

BobMs_wht2k2
11-20-2007, 05:22 PM
Oh yeah, and don't forget he fired that missle into the pentagon too. . . Plus he caused hurricane Katrina and the Tsunami in the pacific. . . .

tharptroy
11-20-2007, 05:34 PM
see there bob, I forgot that he aimed hurricane katrina at the poor people.

here you go:

http://www.236.com/video/?bcpid=1272014315&bclid=1125909605&bctid=1281307888

cclngthr
11-20-2007, 05:59 PM
I think you're wrong. Both parties have pissed off their constituents that people are ready for someone better, someone different.

I doubt that would happen anytime soon, or if it ever ocurred. People vote and apparently happy with the status quo which usually is the result.

Case in point, my school board had one member up for election this year and with the conflicts the public was *****ing about with the superintendent that left the school district with $418,500 in hand, and had pissed off everyone that came around him, she was re-elected. People say they wanted a change, but no change happened. A couple incidents from this superintendent: 1, his step-son violated a school rule over language and violence and the rules stated the student will be suspended as a result. The damn kid was kept in school because daddy disagreed with the rules (he made his own). 2. During a school shooting incident in January at Foss HS, the superintendent disregarded police policy and ordered students not to evacuate the premises so police could investigate properly. Superintendent in his mind did not want police at his schools because he believed there was no need for a thorough investigation.