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Midnightsky

12-27-2007, 08:02 AM

:threadjac Awww cmon, somebody drop a Delta tib motor into their Elantra, and I'm talking a company wink wink, and make a fairly easy motor swap kit from Beta to Delta in the XD's :bowdown: Slap on an Icebox Mani NGM S/C kit with that and your laughin.

TURBOgls

12-27-2007, 09:49 AM

Silentwolf

12-27-2007, 11:05 AM

Why swap to a motor that is not as strong as our current motors?

BobMs_wht2k2

12-27-2007, 11:10 AM

Why swap to a motor that is not as strong as our current motors?

Duh! It's "cool" . Man, you really are out of the loop aren't you!

kylemorg

12-27-2007, 11:45 AM

Sorry, did I actually post that? I thought I only heard the voices in my head say that. They must be controlling my fingers now and typing messages when I'm not looking, too...

KeWLKaT

12-27-2007, 11:49 AM

Actually it would make more RELIABLE power with a blower setup if you had the v6, hahaha

And im not being sarcastic saying this

j0hnh0lmes

12-27-2007, 12:44 PM

true...but it does make much power...

well at-least the base kit. If you tinker with the engine a some, add the icebox. :thumbsup:

otherwise the 4cyl has....I guess you could say.... more % gains

Cypher

12-27-2007, 01:03 PM

and for the record: the delta only weighs 30lbs more than the beta.

BobMs_wht2k2

12-27-2007, 01:23 PM

But adding the extra 80lbs for the supercharger kit for the delta. . .

Cypher

12-27-2007, 01:29 PM

yeah, not to mention you HAVE to swap spindles to the 5 lugs (v6 axles are different from I4) which means you must buy new wheels = more $$$$.

Potentially, if you could find a wrecked tib in a side impact you could do it pretty cheaply but alas, this discussion is for the NGM "Enforcer" supercharger kit for the beta. Actually know what, I'll split these posts.

http://blog.dreamwiz.com/usr/n/o/novalossi/2/novalossi_20071205214248_6307245_4.jpg
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http://blog.dreamwiz.com/usr/n/o/novalossi/2/novalossi_20071205214248_6307245_8.jpg

BobMs_wht2k2

12-27-2007, 01:34 PM

PLus the Delta transmission which would be a little heavier, having tha textra gear and all.

Cypher

12-27-2007, 01:37 PM

Yeah more than likely. I don't think it'd be that bad though. Defintely better than the pig that the tib is. It'd be interesting to drive a delta swapped elantra.

hotbod4you

12-27-2007, 01:39 PM

for the price of the v6 swap wouldn't it be cheaper to just to trade in the elantra on a similar year, mileage, v6 tib?

BobMs_wht2k2

12-27-2007, 01:40 PM

I'd love to see the actual weight of the Delta-Elantra and to also see the actual weight per axle/corner to see how nose heavy it really is.

Cypher

12-27-2007, 01:41 PM

It would depend I guess. I had found a wrecked v6 tib in my area (side impact) and everything up front was completely intact. I could've gotten the whole car for 1500 which would've been just about all the parts that were needed for it. Course then you have to modify the mounts and stuff but the parts would more or less be in ur hands.

BobMs_wht2k2

12-27-2007, 01:42 PM

for the price of the v6 swap wouldn't it be cheaper to just to trade in the elantra on a similar year, mileage, v6 tib?

Or actually buy a vehicle with some serious potential like a 2.5RS.

Cypher

12-27-2007, 01:42 PM

I'd love to see the actual weight of the Delta-Elantra and to also see the actual weight per axle/corner to see how nose heavy it really is.

Me too. I bet with some weight reduction (wheels, backseat, removal of spare tire) you could get the weight down close to that of a stock elantra.

Catfish

12-27-2007, 01:46 PM

I will do the V6-swap in 2008 (I hope so :D )...
I'll post as much pics as possible an keep you up to date in another thread...
Actual status is the Elantra sitting in the garage with a broken-down gearbox waiting for a Tib to contribute engine, drivetrain and whatever else will be needed for the swap...

BobMs_wht2k2

12-27-2007, 01:46 PM

Me too. I bet with some weight reduction (wheels, backseat, removal of spare tire) you could get the weight down close to that of a stock elantra.

But it would all be over the nose, very bad thing for handling.

KeWLKaT

12-27-2007, 02:37 PM

hyunelan2

12-27-2007, 03:59 PM

How in the hell has another "Delta in an Elantra" thread started? I was tempted to lock this out of principle, but will allow it for now.

BobMs_wht2k2

12-27-2007, 04:02 PM

Cause we got a new passle of newbs that think the Delta is the bestest engine ever made because it came in the uber-fast Tib.

Of course, if that was true, than why is the Azera, a heavy boat, the fastest Korean import brought to the US?

Azera weighs 3629lbs and shows a 0-60 from 6.1 to 6.5, depending on tester. The Tib weighs 2960-3040lbs and runs 0-60 in 7.1-7.8, also depending on tester.

I think instead of "They should do a DElta swap into an Elantra" it should be "A Lambda swap into an Elantra."

Tx_boy

12-27-2007, 04:17 PM

^^^My boy rented a Azura and said that thing was faster than a Lincoln LS with the V8.

KeWLKaT

12-27-2007, 04:36 PM

I don't know if I would trust what ''your boy'' says, lol, just a thought.

kylemorg

12-27-2007, 04:53 PM

I think I brought up the Lamda idea a long time ago... maybe it's in the archives now.

BobMs_wht2k2

12-27-2007, 04:54 PM

he's pretty close. THe LS V8 0-60 in 6.5.

Tx_boy

12-27-2007, 05:00 PM

Well he used to go to ATL all the time and would rent a lot of cars. Him and my other boy rented a Charger RT and a 300C and raced. The 300 got beat.

Cypher

12-27-2007, 07:26 PM

But it would all be over the nose, very bad thing for handling.

Good for draggin though lol

How in the hell has another "Delta in an Elantra" thread started? I was tempted to lock this out of principle, but will allow it for now.

I think as long as the conversation actually stays intelligent then theres no reason to lock this.

carbonman

12-27-2007, 07:56 PM

I love these threads, 6 years of them and still going strong hahahaaa

korean elantra FYI, posted in the othercars (korean cars thread)
http://img.cania.com/hituning/carpic/2007y/11m_3w/view_eli8.JPG

Cypher

12-27-2007, 08:02 PM

lol yeah. I guess they will continue to go on until someone is crazy enough to do it in the states.

Caliboi

12-27-2007, 08:08 PM

Why swap to a motor that is not as strong as our current motors?

really dude that makes as much sense as a soup sandwich. oh wait maybe because with the swap you can do alot more then with a beta not much but a significant amount

Silentwolf

12-27-2007, 08:13 PM

^Dude, talk to TC sometime about how well the engines are built. He's personally stated that the Beta internals are stronger than the Delta.

Cypher

12-27-2007, 08:18 PM

While I will not argue directly with that statement, TC is not the be all-end all.

Midnightsky

12-27-2007, 11:40 PM

Hmmm I'd be tempted to try and con JDOGG and the guys from NT in Edmonton to start a project swapping a delta into an Elantra.

KeWLKaT

12-28-2007, 01:22 AM

Stop talking about jdogg like he was the god of tuning, lol, for christs sake.

SilverElantra

12-28-2007, 03:31 AM

this thread is kinda starting to get off topic lets wait for catfish to do it and then after he is finished we can all see what will really come of this, till then nobody truly can say anything about it....correct???

Midnightsky

12-28-2007, 05:43 AM

Stop talking about jdogg like he was the god of tuning, lol, for christs sake.

no but him and the guys up there are the only help I will ever get in working on my car unless u just happen to fly out here for some random reason.....hint hint, don't forget about the caliper nightmare I put myself thru lol I am not to work on my own car without supervision lol

Felix, dood how long have you been tuning? For all of you ppl that keep knocking my ideas and dreams and goals I have, you need to know I've only been modding for like 6 months and I've never modded cars before. So all this talking about modding and ideas and sh*t goin thru my head is really exciting for me. I don't want to stop modding cause some guy off the internet says I'm dumb. Modding cars is a passion I have. Racing cars is a passion I have. Playing guitar is a passion I have. I will not let other ppl try and pull me off the tracks I'm going down that guide me to my passions. If I want to modd the piss outta my Elantra for 6 more months then sell it for a new car that's my choice to make. It's all going to be really good experience for me and I will be able to learn lots that I can apply to future cars I own. If I just stop modding what am I going to learn?

SilverElantra

12-28-2007, 06:05 AM

^^^^^to save your money for other things???

Midnightsky

12-28-2007, 06:22 AM

^^^^^to save your money for other things???

But are all the members here my personal financial consultants? Since when was modding cars ever a low cost passion to have? The difference between the enthusiast and someone with a passion is that the guy with the passion does not compromise with his modding, he searches long and hard for the best of the best. Nobody here is qualified to give me advise about how to manage my money.....you wanna know why? Because nobody on here is a close friend of mine or a family member of mine......whens the last time you took financial advise from some guy on the internet you've never met and don't trust?

only1db

12-28-2007, 07:45 AM

the 6spd tranny is twice as heavy as our 5 spd....and yes the motor may only weight 30lbs more but that tranny is probably another 40lbs...if you went with a set of TEINS that are made for the v6 you would be money.

i have been looking as this as well...still dont know what would be cheaper...v6 or turbo

lets not also forget that you can easily find a LSD and better clutches for the 6spd then you can the 5spd.

its an interesting concept but again how much benefit would there actually be? 40 more hp and 30lb of torque....not sure...you could easily get that with a small turbo and low boost.

the WOW factor is cool as **** though....

oh one more thing....you will definetly need to upgrade the fuel pump as well and possibly your fuel lines.

Midnightsky

12-28-2007, 07:50 AM

only1db

12-28-2007, 07:54 AM

^ i'm not sure about that...the 6spd gears are right ontop of one another...the powerband is quite small...

and i have driven a turbo'd beta...depending on the turbo (13g on 15psi, toymachines car) the power band was pretty early and held all the way out to 6500

the 5spd gears are actually a little long, which is good for a turbo'd car.

let us no forget that the BRAKES WILL NEED TO BE SWAPPED OUT!! the xd brakes will not take that kind of abuse.

but again, if you have a 5lug, that make killer BBK for the tib....

Midnightsky

12-28-2007, 07:55 AM

^ i'm not sure about that...the 6spd gears are right ontop of one another...the powerband is quite small...

and i have driven a turbo'd beta...depending on the turbo (13g on 15psi, toymachines car) the power band was pretty early and held all the way out to 6500

the 5spd gears are actually a little long, which is good for a turbo'd car.

Making the 6spd shorter gears better for a S/C'd application?

only1db

12-28-2007, 07:57 AM

actually any boosted car....you would want them to be longer( within reason of course)....if i were going to supercharge any tib it would be the 5spd v6.

Midnightsky

12-28-2007, 07:57 AM

Ya definately the brakes would be a part of the process before the car goes on any road whatsoever.

I'd really love to see some kind of "kit" developed for an XD Beta to Delta swap........hint hint TC ;)

actually any boosted car....you would want them to be longer( within reason of course)....if i were going to supercharge any tib it would be the 5spd v6.

Oh ok:bowdown: :bowdown: I am learning:diablo: I do now actually recall a conversation I was having with a GM Tech about the 6spd tranny VS the Auto for the Corvette C6. For all the extra power he's adding he said the 6spd gears would start pulling apart from each other and eventually just grind themselves to crap. And when you think about it, all the MAJOR HP (1000hp+) track cars use auto trannys with a transbrake.

BobMs_wht2k2

12-28-2007, 09:46 AM

So 70lbs for engine/trans, then another 60-70lbs for supercharger/intercooler stuff. All on the front wheels. THat's not a good combo for a decent (notice I didn'tbother to say "good") handling car. Adding 130-150lbs to the nose is BAD. I'm not sure how else I can say this?

Cypher

12-28-2007, 01:22 PM

It might be pretty good in a straight line though with the reduced weight compared to the tib and weight over the nose but, of course for those like you who love handling well. Defintely not a good idea.

SilverElantra

12-28-2007, 02:31 PM

ya but not everyone wants to just go in a straight line. definitely not a good setup for auto x.

BobMs_wht2k2

12-28-2007, 02:47 PM

^ Or even highway driving.

KeWLKaT

12-28-2007, 02:58 PM

^ Or even backing out of your parking lot.

kylemorg

12-28-2007, 03:05 PM

^ Or even.... Damn! I got nothin'

SilverElantra

12-28-2007, 03:22 PM

i dunno how the koreans are doing it but when you factor power to weight ratio and driveability, all factors added in doing this swap does not seem logical or practical, hopefully catfish can shine some more light on this subject in the future.

KeWLKaT

12-28-2007, 04:01 PM

To me it seems like the swap is more tangible than it seems: north americans just don't understand.

Then again I tell myself: Koreans are also the ones who are authors of creations such as the "tibulantra", so sometimes I just wonder if there is some type of narcotic in their water system over there that make them do these things.

BobMs_wht2k2

12-28-2007, 04:07 PM

I think alot of it also has to do with their costs of items there.

I bought the Tib knob from Seoulful Racing. Cost $29 shipped from Korea. That part # here is $79. Same with my strut mounts. THey were a 1/3 of the cost SHIPPED as they were here with my "discount".

KeWLKaT

12-28-2007, 04:14 PM

You know what that tib knob is the first thing I'll be buying after the car is all back together... Is the leather wrapping around it nicely solid?

BobMs_wht2k2

12-28-2007, 04:54 PM

it is very nice. I think it has better quality than the ones I got from here that came off of cars costing 4x's as much.

kylemorg

12-28-2007, 06:44 PM

Really, though... why stick with a Hyundai engine?

If you're going to swap a different FWD engine into an Elantra, why not go with something like the 3.5 Nissan v6 engine that's got a ton of power to start with? What does it matter if the engine is Hyundai if you're going to drop a different one in? I doubt it'd be much harder to mount the 3.5 Nissan than a different Hyundai engine...

moonlite5hadow

12-28-2007, 07:44 PM

Actually it would make more RELIABLE power with a blower setup if you had the v6, hahaha

And im not being sarcastic saying this

elantra with a blower? classic! :D i'd do it just for the looks it would get, regardless of how it would run!

Keyan

12-28-2007, 09:26 PM

if you are going to swap in a v6 then swap in the XG350 motor. supposibly it bolts in place of the Delta and the manual transmissions bolt to it.

Silentwolf

12-29-2007, 12:08 AM

the 3.3 Lambda would be a better choise, but not much is made for it.

WytchDctr

12-29-2007, 12:43 AM

the 3.8 is the same size block... why would you swap in the 3.3 if you where going to spend the money? (unless you got one hell of a deal on one) Also they are automatic only. Thats one issue I can see with them.

hyundaiLKsunday

12-29-2007, 01:13 AM

You know what that tib knob is the first thing I'll be buying after the car is all back together... Is the leather wrapping around it nicely solid?

Not to hijack the thread...but I have a tib knob lying around that I no longer use. I used it until I got the heavy knob with my short shifter. I'd be willing to part with it if you're interested. I liked the feel better than the stock knob.

rush6432

12-29-2007, 01:50 AM

if you are going to swap in a v6 then swap in the XG350 motor. supposibly it bolts in place of the Delta and the manual transmissions bolt to it.

Do a custom single turbo setup and you'd make some serious crazy power :) Ive got a nice setup i made for a 6G72 (3.0 Mitsu V6 That came in the 3000gt) It basically runs from each bank over to the side of the block by the waterneck housing and then both pipes merge into a T4 flange and so on. the only problem i can see with a delta motor or any v6 in an elantra with this style single turbo setup is having room for a 3" downpipe to go back around to the rear bank and down and out under the car. Also you'd have to make a nice support bracket for the turbo so it wont crack anything. Or you can always go twins too.... pair of t3 50-trims would be nice :)

Anyway if i had $$$ and time i'd do it.

only1db

12-29-2007, 07:41 AM

if you are going to swap in a v6 then swap in the XG350 motor. supposibly it bolts in place of the Delta and the manual transmissions bolt to it.

that motor is a turd!!!

btw are we forgetting why they use the delta?? because all of the mounting points are exactly the same. to use the 3.5 turd you would have to switch everything else around

mounting points
wiring harhness ( its MILCO not SIEMENS)

and all of the other crap that goes along with it....let now also meniton that maintaining the 3.5 sucks ***!! swaping anything out on that motor sucks....guess what a timing belt on the 3.5 sucks!!!! 8hr job and i was able to pull it off in 6.5 hours but it sucks big hairy one! the XG is a big turd same with the 3.5 sant fe (the one i had to do...and the hardest among all of the hyundai line up)

timing belt on a 2.7 is easy! and can be done in about 1hr....the choice is obvious....2.7 or nothing.

dont get me wrong....you can if you want to....but its not worth the effort. especially when the delta pretty much slips right in.

BobMs_wht2k2

12-30-2007, 12:00 AM

I have to agree with superboy here on the 3.5 in the Sante Fe/XG. Turd. Big ol, heavy ***, weak powered turd.

TheKoreanSaab

12-30-2007, 01:24 AM

personally I think the fact that parts are easily available in Korean compared to here makes the issue and the cost of a delta swap not really worth it. Even though it would be nice. I am sure I have seen a 3.0 swap in a elantra too if I am not mistakin. It orginally came out of a Hyundai Dynasty. Yeah the 3.5 is a turd if you were going to go with the trouble you might as well try to squeeze the 3.8 in it. Which would be a very front heavy car.

J-Shazzle

12-30-2007, 02:24 AM

Heres a thought. (just a thought, please do not bury me in the ground about no or why it can't be done). Buy a tib and then take all the exterior pieces of a Elantra and put them on your tib. BANG! You now have an Elantraburon or Tibantra or Tuscanante or Avanuscani.

The name still needs a little bit of work.

OPZ

12-30-2007, 02:27 AM

Someone said that before, and it was all the panal mount points or something that didn't line up.

only1db

12-30-2007, 08:29 AM

^ of course they dont line up....

food for though...the 3.3 and the 3.8 are run using Delphi and are also CAN...you would also have to redo all of the mounts and custom make everything...that is not worth the effort...cool factor yes but other then that.

hell i have seen a 2.7 dropped in an accent! does it make it feasible/better? nope.

btw the accent wasnt running but it was still mounted in there...so it can be done.

but why?