oil return-feed/pan

[ElantraEvo]

i was wondering were would be the best place for the oil return to be placed on the oil pan would be. pics would amazazing. thx

[theWorst]

oil return for ______ ?

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[ElantraEvo]

oil return for ______ ?

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turbo

[KeWLKaT]

Hasn't this been covered a gazillion times?

Here's what mine looked like when I was turbo, and also happens to be the best spot (unless you want to permanently drill your block).

http://guuzu.com/kewlkat/image/3205/large.jpg

The oil pan is better because you can then swap it out for stock when you sell (what I did).

[theWorst]

ahhh .. i see... didn't realize this was in teh forced induction forum... OOOPPPSS..


can' a sandwich plate be used for turbo oil returns?

[xdforme22]

I thought he was asking where on the oil pan is the best spot to tap, not pan vs. block.

[KeWLKaT]

I thought he was asking where on the oil pan is the best spot to tap, not pan vs. block.

He was, and I showed him in the pic. I just mentioned the block in case someone came up with the idea afterwards.

And the sandwich plate, no. There is pressure at the filter. Actually, 100 psi of pressure when on WOT. You don't want ANY pressure in there because the oil has to go down with gravity. If you look at my pic you can see my sandwich plate which I used for the pressure sensor, so trust me, the pressure number I gave you is accurate ;)

Ultimately you tap the pan the highest possible to get OVER the level of sitting oil in there.

[ElantraEvo]

ahhh .. i see... didn't realize this was in teh forced induction forum... OOOPPPSS..


can' a sandwich plate be used for turbo oil returns?

feed.

[KeWLKaT]

Even for the feed I would recommend the plug on the head rather than the sandwich plate. Using the plate to oil your turbo is such a bandaid solution no one should do it.

[ElantraEvo]

Even for the feed I would recommend the plug on the head rather than the sandwich plate. Using the plate to oil your turbo is such a bandaid solution no one should do it.

hmm havent heard this b4.. can u explain ur reasoning? like why isnt it good? or something gonna happen?

[KeWLKaT]

Well a couple reasons...

1- Too much pressure (will require a very small restrictor) -- The pressure in the head spot is like 40psi versus 80psi in the filters
2- You are diminishing the pressure going up into your motor by teeing yourself right at the filter
3- A long distance, in which the line comes close to the downpipe might cause coking of the oil when you shut the engine off more than the other option.
4- It costs more for longer line when the feed line coming off the head from an EXISTING unused hole on the head requires not even a foot of line.
5- Since the feed attachement is hidden you will not be able to check for leakage aswell
6- If it does ever leak it will leak out all the pressure going into your motor whereas the head location is after the oil has traveled up.

BTW heres a pic of where my feed line was

http://guuzu.com/kewlkat/image/3081/large.jpg

[ElantraEvo]

well crap lol, wtf am i gonna do with the plate and line i bought lol.

oh and if i do the feed from the head would a regular reinforced fuel hose work? that way i dont have to buy any thing new
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[theWorst]

those are all very very very good reasons !

mehehe.

Sell them to me.

[KeWLKaT]

well crap lol, wtf am i gonna do with the plate and line i bought lol.

Use it for an oil pressure and/or oil temp sensor.

[ElantraEvo]

edited well crap lol, wtf am i gonna do with the plate and line i bought lol.

oh and if i do the feed from the head would a regular reinforced fuel hose work? that way i dont have to buy any thing new
.

[theWorst]

SHHHhHHHhHH !

i want him to sell it to me for cheap so i can use it for that !


wtf are you giving the finger felix? Alpine?

[KeWLKaT]

Yeah, that was one of the times when my turbo kit took a dump on me.

[ElantraEvo]

if i do the feed from the head would a regular reinforced fuel hose work? that way i dont have to buy any thing new

[Cypher]

which turbo do you have? I have a feed line for T3 turbo.

[ElantraEvo]

t3/t4 hybrid. i have a feed line for the sandwitch plate but kewl kinda turned me away from it so now im thinkin of using the head

[KeWLKaT]

I wouldn't recommend regular fuel hose, as it might get chewed away by the heat of the oil and turbo that it attaches to.

[Paul J. McCain]

Well a couple reasons...

1- Too much pressure (will require a very small restrictor) -- The pressure in the head spot is like 40psi versus 100psi in the filters
2- You are diminishing the pressure going up into your motor by teeing yourself right at the filter
3- A long distance, in which the line comes close to the downpipe might cause coking of the oil when you shut the engine off more than the other option.
4- It costs more for longer line when the feed line coming off the head from an EXISTING unused hole on the head requires not even a foot of line.
5- Since the feed attachement is hidden you will not be able to check for leakage aswell
6- If it does ever leak it will leak out all the pressure going into your motor whereas the head location is after the oil has traveled up.

BTW heres a pic of where my feed line was

The pressure is not 100psi at the filter. Where did you hear that? And if the pressure is so high, why would it matter if you diminish it a little? Either way, unless you're ball-bearing, it's not really going to matter how much pressure is going into the turbo unless it's low or very very high.

I do agree with you though, just tap the block, don't use a sandwich plate if you don't have to, but FWIW, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using a sandwich plate, it's just more work.
Try not to use anything but stainless braided brand-name hoses, but if you're really on a budget, and it's not going to get hot, you can use hi-temp Push-lok hoses and fittings. But no on the fuel line.

[yamaha]

The oil filter does have a higher pressure then the head. I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head. The head will supply enough oil pressure to feed the turbo.

[KeWLKaT]

The pressure is not 100psi at the filter. Where did you hear that?

Now that I think of it, my gauge maxed at 100, but it wasnt the actual reading, lol.

Sorry, I just remembered. I used to get 80psi at the filter. And I didnt hear that, that's from personal experience. I'll change my post, thanks for un-farting my brain! LoL

[Denisst99]

here you see the oil feed line and gauge feed line (electric sender mounted on the side of the block)
you can also see where one would drill the block for the return

http://guuzu.com/denisst99/image/3659/large.jpg

[NY2002ElantraGT]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/SurferJ4/Turbo%20Install/DSC03367.jpg

i did my return on the passenger side of the oilpan, it just left alot more room in the front incase i change the manifold, or turbo. also i didnt have a downpipe soi wasnt sure if it would get in the way.

[KeWLKaT]

well the pass. side is pretty much the oil option, since it's the only spot where the pan is flat, lol.

[NY2002ElantraGT]

yea, but you tapped the front of the pan.

[ElantraEvo]

ok i know i started this post a while back and got alot of info. i went ahead and used my sandwich plate for the feed. but now im a bit stumped. yesterday i started the car just for the heck of it. with no down pipe on it was loud a f*ck lol. but anyway i turned to key 1 click right to get the oil pressure (i read to do that some were) and when i started the car the pressure gauge just shot as far over as it could. my gauge goes to 100psi. now im like wtf. my turbo is a wet float barring turbo so do i still have to worry bout bustin the seals? and if i get a restricter than my gauge would still read the oil filter pressure witch means it would be different from whats actually getting in the turbo itself. help me out here guys. lol

[KeWLKaT]

over 100 psi there is a problem.