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only1db

03-16-2008, 09:56 AM

not with the proper kit...

how do you think all of the other companies do it? nothing against you guys but i doubt that you will be able to tune better then jester...i have seen his work first hand. there are quite a few turbo'd guys down here in florida....if they get reflashed then he will compile the data and should be able to send you a reflashed ecu for your application. again that is in the future.

actually this will be only a couple of weeks, we have a dealership meet on april 19th he told me he wanted it done before then.

NY2002ElantraGT

03-16-2008, 10:00 AM

well i already got the 2.5bar map sensor..... looking forward to getting a new IC pipe without the 5th injector.

looks like a Florida road trip is in my future.

Cypher

03-16-2008, 10:02 AM

I don't think you understand. As great as ecu reflashes are, unless your car is strapped to the dyno to get a custom one done then I find it to be dumb. Someone 500 miles away can't get the tune perfect for your car. I don't care how many maps he has. EVERY car is different.

only1db

03-16-2008, 10:02 AM

cypher i would have to disagree....the actual tune just from the data gathered will be better than us ametures can do with an aftermarket source....not to mention its plug and play...no splicing, hacking **** up, just simply plug in and start up. obviously dyno (or road tuning) would be the best but it can be done...he does it with evo's and other makes.

ny-dude no doubt!!!

dyno day fo sho!!

we just have to figure out what is needed for a turbo on a non turbo car. dont worry we will figure it out.

we actually have a turbo'd tib we are working with.

NY2002ElantraGT

03-16-2008, 10:03 AM

only1db

03-16-2008, 10:06 AM

^ its not that long....i can get from sebastian where i am to hackttestown NJ in about 16.5 hours.

Cypher

03-16-2008, 10:08 AM

Thats fine if you disagree, but you won't be getting the most power out of it. No doubt they won't get it perfect, but for someone whos going all out in the first place with a turbo; why settle for a "close" tune when you could have a spot on one?

only1db

03-16-2008, 10:10 AM

NY2002ElantraGT

03-16-2008, 10:13 AM

how close are you to Wellington, Ft. Lauderdale area? close right? i have family there

only1db

03-16-2008, 10:14 AM

just say orlando...thats where jester is...i'm about another hour south of orlando.

NY2002ElantraGT

03-16-2008, 10:20 AM

18hrs 1,100 miles haha wow

only1db

03-16-2008, 10:26 AM

for you it would be a straight shot right down 95!

slow 2K2GT

03-16-2008, 11:00 AM

oh i agree with that...but a "close reflahsed ecu" would be better then just slapping on an smt-6....lets not also forget that rev limiter can be raised, top speed limiter can be removed, timing can be adjusted....all with a reflash.

A raised rev limiter is no good without an upgraded valvetrain and better cams, higher top speed is useless now anyhow because to strict racing laws...you dont need to go any faster than your highest track speeds, which is normally slower than your factory speed limiter anyhow.

Like I said before this would be good for NA based guys but for those who arent within driving range of the shop for tuning and reflashing then the SMT-6 is going to be the best option. If you get one from dmdicks then it will come with a base map already in it and you can tune from there, not to mention there are lots of people on the Hyundai forums that have vast knowledge with the SMT and its tuning capabilities for anyone to strap one on their car and make it work properly.

Cypher

03-16-2008, 11:10 AM

Well said Donnie :thumbsup:

only1db

03-16-2008, 11:14 AM

i will have to disagree....now what are you going to do for timing? with the stock ecu all of that can be manipulated.

something also has to be said for plug and play....

Cypher

03-16-2008, 11:17 AM

The smt is about 10-13 wires to install IIRC, not exactly a complicated install. You can also adjust timing if you wire it accordingly.

Silentwolf

03-16-2008, 11:22 AM

Ya and how much trouble did NY have with wiring??

Sorry, but having a non-mess-with-your-engine-harness option is the better one to me.

BestRedRide

03-16-2008, 11:23 AM

Thre would be so many different variables with everyone's unique turbo setup that no tune would be the same for any 2 Hyundais (especially since there's not a whole heck of a lot of them theat are modified to have a substantial 'database'), not to mention there's so many of us doing our own 'thing', turbo choice, manifold design, piping size, headwork, CR lowering methods, etc etc....

But that being said, the large befefit would be that a base map would be a great starting point for a dyno session, with only fine/minute tuning required, so it would be a huge time/money saver in that regards.

I'd want to travel to have my car tuned on location, no question. No way would I be sending ECUs back and forth in the mail.

But after all that...nice work, and it would be great to see an tangible end resut that works, and is successful!

-BRR

Cypher

03-16-2008, 11:23 AM

Thats Justin. He's a special case ;)

only1db

03-16-2008, 11:30 AM

lets wait and see what we can do.

again for he evo guys he sends out ecus all the time..." i have this and this with this..." and you know what the maps are just about perfect.

slow 2K2GT

03-16-2008, 11:58 AM

Ya and how much trouble did NY have with wiring??

Sorry, but having a non-mess-with-your-engine-harness option is the better one to me.

NY had a tough time but ive talked to lots of guys who got it on the first or second try...im sure everyone has a tough time once in a while. I personally dont care about lots of wiring and messing with an engine harness, my car is a project and has undergone so many changes that I will be able to keep it all clean looking, if a plug and play option is best for you then thats cool.

I am not doubting that this is a good starting point for tuning but for some guys it just wont be enough. The stock ECU is good because of all the complicated things it controls like cold start fuel maping and timing. I wouldnt want to send my ECU away for tuning, there are climate differences that need to be accounted for that you cant correctly factor into a tune like that. Guys with boost are going to require some sort of tuning control anyhow above and beyond reflashing.

Personally I would like to have a few maps for the SMT, a good 1/4 mile tune with some higher octane fuel, one for DD, one for lapping days would be good as well...this is something that you cant have with a relash alone.

ricerrx7

03-16-2008, 12:28 PM

I'll have to agree with Derek here. There are tons of companies that do this. Bully dog, power chip, etc. I'm not saying you're going to get a perfect tune, but for N/A people it should help a lot. And it will get a better start map for the forced induced people, in which they can fine tune with another tuner. And we've been *****ing for soooo many years about people not being able to crack our ECU's, and now that someone is on the verge of doing it, we're telling them that there's no point and they shouldn't bother. And for that price, how can you argue?

SuperGLS

03-16-2008, 12:29 PM

You guys know that I don't know a lot of specifics about this kind of thing, but I'm sure there is a LOT of people out there that want a simple solution (even if it isn't 100% perfect). I think this has quite a bit of potential.

Also, is it Jestr Tuning or Jester Tuning?

EDIT - Yeah, what he ^^^^ said.

ricerrx7

03-16-2008, 12:30 PM

there are climate differences that need to be accounted for that you cant correctly factor into a tune like that.

There are (I think) four different climates in San Diego county. Are you saying that your stock ECU wouldn't be able to handle driving around the entire county?

Cypher

03-16-2008, 12:39 PM

I'd be interested... if they could give me the software and ability to do it;)

Keyan

03-16-2008, 12:49 PM

if i could get a tune that ups the rev to 7k, removes the speed limiter, and removes the secondary o2 CELs (which is available for the mitsu reflashes)

then i'd be in heaven, and id pay for it no matter what lol

NY2002ElantraGT

03-16-2008, 01:47 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
same here. i see a nice dyno tune road trip for me and James this summer!

slow 2K2GT

03-16-2008, 02:16 PM

There are (I think) four different climates in San Diego county. Are you saying that your stock ECU wouldn't be able to handle driving around the entire county?

Last time I checked California didnt get -40 to -50 deg celcius and tons of snow. I totally agree that this is a good thing for our community, its a great thing, but like I said and you said its not the be all and end all for tuning you need some control over some tuning.

In fact once there are some good solid results and workable setups I would be willing to send my own ECU down for a reflash, for now though I do need to be able to tune things myself a little.

ricerrx7

03-16-2008, 02:29 PM

The same ECU you're using in Ontario is going to work just as well in Death Valley, is it not?

only1db

03-16-2008, 02:47 PM

^ it sure will....its all built in.

how can people drive cross country? its all built into the different sensors in the vehicle.

a reflahsed ecu is no different.

slow....california is one of the most diverse places in the USA...its gets just about everything.

slow 2K2GT

03-16-2008, 03:44 PM

soccerfanatics3

03-16-2008, 03:49 PM

count me in this is going to be sweet:D

ricerrx7

03-16-2008, 04:00 PM

I do suppose it should work just fine, I was mistaken in my approach. I was thinking on a larger scale such as Europe to N.America. I was incorrect. So yes it should work fine...I will keep my ears and eyes open for updates here.

The reason there are different tunes for N.A. to Europe to India etc is usually more because of the quality of the fuels.

slow 2K2GT

03-16-2008, 05:07 PM

I was also thinking with all the emissions laws in CA that there may be a few more differences.

I am hopeful of this reflash working out for everyone, though it will be a while to perfection.

SilverElantra

03-16-2008, 05:27 PM

thats my big concern^^^^

BLK02XD

03-16-2008, 06:08 PM

I'm about an hour away, just let me know when he's all ready and i'll scrounge up the money. I've been waiting for this forever

Silentwolf

03-16-2008, 11:14 PM

Man talk about out of the wood work lurker. Guess you'll be the third in line then.

Cypher

03-16-2008, 11:21 PM

what? he's been around much longer than you have.

tharptroy

03-16-2008, 11:39 PM

+1 to see how this pans out

jrod13

03-17-2008, 12:10 AM

I will keep my eye out too.

Silentwolf

03-17-2008, 12:31 AM

what? he's been around much longer than you have.

Hence my point. Look at his posts in that amount of time ;)

only1db

03-17-2008, 07:35 AM

like i said before my car will be tuned (according to jester) by the time the dealership meet comes around.

thats what within the next three weeks?

KeWLKaT

03-17-2008, 08:56 AM

Tuned? N/A right?

lol

slow 2K2GT

03-17-2008, 09:36 AM

Who knows there may be like 30whp unlocked that the factory ECU is holding back..

Keyan

03-17-2008, 09:38 AM

yeah, cypher has a wideband on his N/A elantra and at WOT it was dropping below 11:1 AFR. pull it up to 12.5 or 12.9 and you'll see so much more power.

BobMs_wht2k2

03-17-2008, 10:39 AM

Mail-order tunes have been around for a while. GM's have been like this for quite a while. While it's not perfect, it's a far cry better than anything that came down the assembly line from the manufacturer.

dmdicks

03-17-2008, 11:14 AM

I've seen upwards of 10whp on a good N/A tune with the SMT-6 on the Beta 2.0L. This is with pulling fuel and adding upwards of 5 degrees of timing. This car had a CAI and full head back exhaust system. The main problem isn't the tune, its the design of the cylinder head. You will be VERY lucky to get more than 10whp with the stock cylinder head and a reflash. I do give you props for finally getting the program figured out though.

Tricked

03-17-2008, 12:55 PM

Sweet! I'm only an hour and a half away. I'd love to do this on site. But then again....it would be nice to have my front end finished first.

KeWLKaT

03-17-2008, 04:49 PM

Guys I wasnt saying that to say there is no gain NA, just to say that the way he was talking, it seemed like his turbo setup was ready and all.

But it's not.

only1db

03-18-2008, 08:00 AM

nope not yet...i'm still in the design phase.

besides i would like to see what he can do with it NA...from there he will be able to tell me what i will need inorder for him to tune a turbo (on an NA car).

slow 2K2GT

03-18-2008, 01:59 PM

KeWLKaT

03-18-2008, 02:01 PM

Yes, what eactly are you designing? Are you making a 3D CAD of your whole engine for parts on which you have 2 options anyways? Except for the actual turbo itself, you shouldn't have to think for more than 20 mins about it.

Silentwolf

03-18-2008, 04:18 PM

Well for starters. Money would be the first things. He's got a family and bills to take care of. Then there are other things that frankly are none of ur guys business. So quit the poking at his past actions, and just cool it. When he does it, he does it. Pure and simple.

ricerrx7

03-18-2008, 04:21 PM

Yeah, how dare you judge someone by their actions. What's wrong with you guys?

slow 2K2GT

03-18-2008, 06:26 PM

Im am not judging anyone, nor am I in a position to do such a thing. What im doing is poking fun at someone for years of hoping, planning and lack of action. I dont think any less of him for having an end goal, but it does get a lot repetitive when you hear about it for a few years.

Oh and last time I checked I have kids, a family, bills and various other things that need taking care of as well.

Silentwolf

03-18-2008, 06:41 PM

And my point remains, He's been taking action, i've spoken with the person he is working with. Hell i've known about this Jester tuning for awhile but he chose not to say anything on here till the first steps were taken and asked me not to say anything. Because of how you folks jump all over someone.

BobMs_wht2k2

03-18-2008, 06:48 PM

Yep, we're all bad, bad people. Case in point right here. I'm a mean, people hater thatthinks all people should die. . . . or at least that's some peoples opine.

KeWLKaT

03-18-2008, 11:12 PM

Yes I am a very bad person.

Silentwolf you haven't been around long enough. In the past only1db was supposed to have a turbo kit and even sell some with adeihl... We all know what happened with that! ha

And since this is an online forum, I don't give a **** about what he does outside of here. If he's not gonna do it, then he shouldn't mention it.

SilverElantra

03-19-2008, 02:59 AM

Yep, we're all bad, bad people. Case in point right here. I'm a mean, people hater thatthinks all people should die. . . . or at least that's some peoples opine.

you forgot old!

and as far as this goes, lets just hope everything works out and we can actually have an ecu for our cars.

only1db

03-19-2008, 07:55 AM

guys PLEASE dont clutter this thread with **** from like 4 years ago.

yes i said i was going to do it in the past....blah blah blah...but now i will be able too...the planets have aligned correctly (hahah) espeically since tuing WILL not be an issue at all.

i deciding on which turbo, size of charge pipes, what injectors, fuel pump, intercooler size and location, looking for places that i can buy pipes, flanges, and all of the other stuff...i would like to do it right the first time.

i'm not just slapping it on there. with jester's help and others it will be done and depending on the outcome available to the public.

i will be shooting for the 225+ mark with the stock block.

KeWLKaT

03-19-2008, 09:22 AM

Why would you even TOUCH the stock fuel pump for that little boost? I was boosting 11 psi daily and even 14 psi at some point and never needed to change the fuel pump...

slow 2K2GT

03-19-2008, 10:39 AM

I havent had to touch the fuel pump yet at 17psi...its going to be upgraded this spring but thus far I havent had to do anything about it. Maybe replace your stock one with a new unit if its really old like mine which has 112,000km on it, or if its cheaper put in a Walbro 190.

Piping should be easy, 2.25" hot side and 2.5" cold...hell even 2.25" all round would be good. I would go with a 24x9x3 for the IC and make it a front mount...it would take less piping to have a top mount but then you run into more issues like cutting your hood or getting an aftermarket one for air flow. Flanges you can get on ebay or from Vibrant. Why go with a fancy turbo when a t3/t4 hybrid would do just fine, even the common GT28r(s) would meet your power goals. If you chose the t3 then a re-enforced OBX manifold would work well and you could even have an adapter for an external wastegate welded in.

There that should about cover it.

KeWLKaT

03-19-2008, 11:13 AM

Yep, I think the analysis is now done.

''Selecting piping''... I don't think derek that youhave the necessary knowledge to start designing and optimizing the best piping system with the required fluid dynamics and heat transfer notions...

ricerrx7

03-19-2008, 11:16 AM

Man, those subtleties of the language are really affecting you today Felix, huh?

KeWLKaT

03-19-2008, 11:42 AM

Man, those subtleties of the language are really affecting you today Felix, huh?

huh? sorry, i seriously don't know what you mean :confused:

ricerrx7

03-19-2008, 04:37 PM

I was making a joke about you saying that you didn't have a full understanding of the English language, and that's why you sometimes come off as a prick.

KeWLKaT

03-19-2008, 08:11 PM

I was making a joke about you saying that you didn't have a full understanding of the English language, and that's why you sometimes come off as a prick.

I only know scientifical talk because my school books are mostly in english :)

only1db

03-22-2008, 11:30 AM

i'm just going through and doing my own crap...everything is going to be a custom setup.

the turbo manifold, dp....and whats wrong with calculating flow and all of the other numbers to make sure its all with in spec.

sorry if i'm making harder on myself...but when i'm done i dont want to have to worry about it.

2.25 is going to be too big and will not fit without cutting anything. again i'm going for the "what a GT should have been" meaning attempting to make it as oem as possible.

slow 2K2GT

03-22-2008, 01:03 PM

why will 2.25 be to big? Look at Matt's setup (Mahonroy)...hes got it fitting nicely, sorry if you need to cut stuff but with all the other minor details you are going over im sure it wouldnt be a major hastle. Its only easy enough to cut and paint a small section, even put some rubber edging on it.

The excuse bucket is filling up pretty fast.

Silentwolf

03-22-2008, 05:41 PM

There are other ways Slow. ;) We've talked about it already.

only1db

03-22-2008, 08:19 PM

i thinking of other things...cutting the major part of the frame removing the core support it not my idea of safe.

i'm trying to work around them.

NY2002ElantraGT

03-22-2008, 09:12 PM

i have my bumper beam and everything in tact. i didnt have to cut much to fit the chargepipes and intercooler

BColeman

03-22-2008, 09:58 PM

Justin, you tell me when you want to go down to Florida to get dyno'd and a reflash. I will accompany you, we can caravan down there. I know exactly where they are located.

Additionally, Derek, Hayden (struck1181) is looking into this as well. However, the problem is, he, and I, are both CVVT equipped XDs. So, will Jestr also be able to tune/break into the CVVT ECU. Hayden is getting into contact with Jestr on Monday, to see if he will. But I figure you may be able to give me a heads up.

Anyway, Justin, if a reflash is possible on a CVVT motor, I will accompany you down there, if you are interested.

Silentwolf

03-22-2008, 10:16 PM

I will be going to Jester as soon as or same time as Derik is getting his done.

only1db

03-23-2008, 10:16 AM

my wife has a stock xd2...i too will be contacting him.

Keyan

03-23-2008, 11:00 AM

someone on the newtib thread posted up how jestr was contracted out by tc almost 2 years ago to build software and that we shouldnt buy from a company that steals software. what kind of bull**** is this?

slow 2K2GT

03-23-2008, 11:24 AM

i thinking of other things...cutting the major part of the frame removing the core support it not my idea of safe.

i'm trying to work around them.

Why would you have to do that? For the amount of power you are looking to make you dont need a huge IC or piping, hell the Alpine intercooler setup would work just fine for you and there is no cutting required.

You arent the first person to do a custom turbo setup but for some reason you are trying to make it much harder than it has to be.

Excuse bucket half full.

only1db

03-23-2008, 02:08 PM

i'm doing it my way....thats all...

and from what i saw with toymachines car...he removed the center core support and had to cut away metal chunks.

keyan....that is partially true...TC did contact him about it, but the software that TC has is flawed...that is why when i approached him about doing this he said yes, because he then had a way to do it on his own without getting TC involved...atleast that is what i gathered from it. This software is truley a one off by jester himself....he didnt steal it! that guy on newtib...i dont know where he got that one from...hence why he hasnt posted up any numbers or even anybody who has had it done yet.

there appears to be an interface difference between the tibs and the XD...my XD was able to be read. the CVVT is another story....i'm sure he will be working the kinks out.

i will be contacting him on monday to see whats up...

dont get your panies in a bunch..hahah

KeWLKaT

03-23-2008, 03:55 PM

I never had to remove the beam...

And you do not know how to calculate flow, haha, it takes hundreds of hours of studying to even START understanding fluid dynamics.

And except for my manifold and DP that came from alpine, everything I had was custom... So, been there, done that. You're talking like you will be the first to do something like this, but everything is there, people have the proof of what works and what doesn't.

You have TWO ways of passing your IC piping:

- Delete the windshield washer tank
- Cut/Bend (I bent) the frame a bit to fit the piping around the rad

That's it, that's all. Unless you're going to start passing your piping under the crossmember so it can scrape on the ground there is NO other way (unless you remote mount the turbo to the back hahaha)

only1db

03-23-2008, 03:58 PM

sorry, but i'm looking into alternatives....why are guys giving me slack on this....

i'm trying to do something different thats it.

KeWLKaT

03-23-2008, 04:00 PM

Well then if you say what it is then perhaps the guys like me who have spent hundreds of hours IN the engine bay doing these kinds of things might be able to help you.

Silentwolf

03-23-2008, 08:53 PM

Kewl, have some faith. We're keeping the ideas under wraps and when all is done, then you will know. The process will require no cutting or removing of the washer tank.

evan938

03-24-2008, 12:20 AM

just to jump in here.

i finally got around to reading all the pages of this. if this becomes something available to us, good. i wont be buying one, as im not modding this car, but for those who want it, sweet

as for dereks turbo. ive been laughing everytime i read a new post. i mean, come on...youve been saying youre going to turbo SOME hyundai, depending on what youve had, for what...? 10 years? more? (IIRC, didnt you have a 97 tib that you wanted to turbo?)...so if it happens, good. really though, i will be completely and utterly shocked if/when i see it. i do, though, like the excuses i keep reading. always makes this board more interesting

KeWLKaT

03-24-2008, 02:37 AM

Kewl, have some faith. We're keeping the ideas under wraps and when all is done, then you will know. The process will require no cutting or removing of the washer tank.

Well, guys, it's your loss. If you don't need our help from guys who've done it all, then don't cry when your **** won't end up working. I am 120% positive that there is no other way to do it unless you do what I said. Or you could pass a same side IC in/ex, or a top mount, but that would be a bit tricky for a person who doesnt weld like derek.

SilverElantra

03-24-2008, 04:53 AM

or you could do a top mount cause that would be dope as ****.

only1db

03-24-2008, 07:36 AM

sorry i am surrounded by guys that are here where i live that i can fall back onto.

i dont need to weld, i already have that part covered. tuning, i just about have that covered.

and yes i had an 00 rc that i was prepping, but a deer screwed that up...

i really dont care if you believe me or not. What i dont need is slack from guys that THINK they know what they are doing. yes you had a turbo on there....and what happened? its not there any more...i'm taking my time so that does not happen to me. sorry i'm not 20 twenty and live at home...i have other priorities and an uncooperative wife.

yamaha

03-24-2008, 07:41 AM

What i dont need is slack from guys that THINK they know what they are doing.

Spoken like a true ignorant person.

ricerrx7

03-24-2008, 10:46 AM

What i dont need is slack from guys that THINK they know what they are doing.

What you DO need is for them to cut you Slack. What you don't need is for them to give you flack.

Silentwolf

03-24-2008, 11:17 AM

Lol Ricer with the semantics.

PSUsouthpaw

03-24-2008, 11:48 AM

slow 2K2GT

03-24-2008, 11:50 AM

You arent the first person to have priorities in life and you wont be the last, good luck with your project, sorry to clutter the Jester thread with your turbo dilemma but it was brought up and of course we had to attack because thats what we do.

Maybe you should have talked about things you have experience with, N/A tuning. When you have your turbo and parts sitting in front of you or your install is happening then go ahead and post about it, but until that time you will just keep getting negative feedback from everyone that has been around for more than a few years.

KeWLKaT

03-24-2008, 01:57 PM

i really dont care if you believe me or not. What i dont need is slack from guys that THINK they know what they are doing. yes you had a turbo on there....and what happened? its not there any more...i'm taking my time so that does not happen to me. sorry i'm not 20 twenty and live at home...i have other priorities and an uncooperative wife.

You are such an ignorant.

The ONLY reason why I sold off the kit is because I just don't have time to play with the car anymore. The last time that I did something on my car was change the oil about 7 weeks ago, I haven't opened my hood since. Hahahaha, SORRY I chose to go further in life than you. I am currently saving money so I can buy something better once I get my engineering degree (looking at MS6) than wasting my time turbocharging a FWD vehicle with an open differential.

I was the first turbo XD in quebec. I am still the only person in Quebec with a CF hood. I am proud of the things that I have achieved with this car. I have done a lot of things many haven't done before. And I don't **** around.

When I came around I didn't even know what an OEM part meant. And there was only1db talking about his future turbo kit. I had the time to buy TWO kits, be turbocharged for a year and a half, and sell both, and he is still procrastinating.

The points we are trying to make:

1- Don't talk if you're not going to do it.
2- Don't talk and say ''I'm keeping it under wraps''. What the **** is this a goddamn hyundai prototype? NOTHING you can do hasn't been done before. Cough it up or don't bother, because you are just being an ***.

YES, it was fun. But, it had to end one day. I wanted to take the kit off since a little while, and since I was in the middle of changing fuel management and needed it off temporarily, the time was good.

This said, I have a question for you:

What purpose does this thread serve if you're not even telling us what is going on? I'm tempted...

Maybe you should have talked about things you have experience with, N/A tuning. When you have your turbo and parts sitting in front of you or your install is happening then go ahead and post about it, but until that time you will just keep getting negative feedback from everyone that has been around for more than a few years.

:abovelol::abovelol::abovelol::abovelol::abovelol: :abovelol:

CornbreadXD

03-24-2008, 03:31 PM

i have other priorities and an uncooperative wife.
you need to make her cooperate then, and I hope everything works out for the n/a people.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/jamawalk2/Slapped-by-Glenn-Ford-640.jpg

Midnightsky

03-24-2008, 10:12 PM

Hmm some very interesting facts have surfaced about all this, pls do read on......
http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2510924&postcount=61

Gomez

03-24-2008, 11:29 PM

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/MGomez/slapabiatch.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/MGomez/punch_her.jpg

I hope this project works out well for the elantra/hyundai community.

Keyan

03-25-2008, 12:09 AM

Derek: "oh whats this? FIREFIREFIREOMGOMGOMGPUTMEOUTPUTMEOUT"

http://picsorban.com/upload/1205802659729.gif

toymachine566

03-25-2008, 10:55 AM

^^^^lmao that pic is hilarious.

and wow....i dont know what to say. i guess we'll have to wait to see what jester has to say.

struck1481

03-25-2008, 04:02 PM

i went to jester yeasterdar and got me ecu read from him and he dose know ngm and he said that there reflash should be done be for ngm

ricerrx7

03-25-2008, 04:50 PM

Wow, was hard to read...

Silentwolf

03-25-2008, 05:24 PM

Ya seriously, wtf?

Keyan

03-25-2008, 08:22 PM

let me translate for us who went to highschool

I went to Jestr yesterday and got my ECU read from them; He does know of NGM and he said that their reflash should be done before NGM's.

Midnightsky

03-25-2008, 09:22 PM

i went to jester yeasterdar and got me ecu read from him and he dose know ngm and he said that there reflash should be done be for ngm

wtf planet are you on man.....NGM reflashing is already out

Link to actual Stock ECU NGM reflash
http://ngmhouseofpower.com/product_info.php?cPath=46&products_id=207

Notice at the bottom...."This product was added to our catalog on Wednesday 13 February, 2008."

Link to actual NGM forum about ECU reflash
http://www.hyundaihouseofpower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2544

chris929

03-25-2008, 09:25 PM

$650 for a reflash makes me want to **** my pants :eek: :eek:

slow 2K2GT

03-25-2008, 09:42 PM

ECU reflashing, its a shi**ing in your pants reality

Pete03GLS

03-25-2008, 09:46 PM

oh ****... i shud go find a stock ecu from a junker, n send it to them for a NA tune that includes intake, exhaust, and have they raise the rev a lil... hmmmmm

Silentwolf

03-25-2008, 09:56 PM

Or you can wait and see what Jester puts out unless u want to waste 400 bucks....

Pete03GLS

03-25-2008, 09:58 PM

tru that. forgot about jester when i was reading NGM's website. lawl :D

slow 2K2GT

03-25-2008, 10:04 PM

So yeah whats the status on this Jestr thing Derek? Any dates on when you get to go down for an N/A tune? You know maybe if you take your wife down with you to see what goes on with all the tuning then she may be a little more understanding and supportive.

Wayne Brady supports vehicle modification...dont piss him off

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/tkx92net/myhotcomments3/wayne_brady.jpg

Pete03GLS

03-25-2008, 10:07 PM

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/ricochetx16/GIFS/13.gif

Silentwolf

03-25-2008, 10:07 PM

:abovelol:

only1db

03-26-2008, 07:51 AM

i emailed him again yesteday...and tried to call...no awnser

you guys are funny.....keep it coming its quite intertaining.

what i meant is that i have professionals surrounding me. sorry if i want to soak it up before applying it. and get it right the first time

in the words of NAS....no idea is original, there is nothing new under the sun, its never what you do but its done.

nuff said....updates to come! he is a very busy man!

BColeman

03-26-2008, 12:37 PM

wtf planet are you on man.....NGM reflashing is already out

Link to actual Stock ECU NGM reflash
http://ngmhouseofpower.com/product_info.php?cPath=46&products_id=207

Notice at the bottom...."This product was added to our catalog on Wednesday 13 February, 2008."

Link to actual NGM forum about ECU reflash
http://www.hyundaihouseofpower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2544

Who cares really? At $650, that is seriously a waste of money, 100%. Especially when another company will be selling the reflash for $250 at the most. But hey, if you are all over NGM's nuts, then you go ahead and pay that price.

KeWLKaT

03-26-2008, 12:39 PM

I think he was merely saying that the whole ''this is the first company to offer this'' is BS since NGM has it already ;)

BColeman

03-26-2008, 12:44 PM

Felix, that's very true, that is exactly what he means. But, even so, he is wrong, as NGM is not the first company to offer a reflash.

Seoulful Racing, Shark Racing, etc. have all offered reflashes, for various prices. And believe it or not, they are all about $100 more than the NGM version. So, the whole point of the stab was pointless.

And now I must raze on Hayden. What the hell Hayden, were you freakin' DRUNK when you wrote that line? Hell, you sounded half stoned, half pirate. I've never seen you type that horribly. Then again, it was your day off on Monday, so I wouldn't be surprised if you were tipping the bottle back a little.

KeWLKaT

03-26-2008, 12:46 PM

Yes, but I think you need to look at it from the North American point of view. Before now the technology has never left Korea, or at least that continent.

only1db

03-26-2008, 04:39 PM

perhaps i should put it this way...its the only reflash to work with US spec vehicles...TC's software has some flaws and he can not do any 04 and up vehicles...

i'm currently working with jester to resolve this issue...as we too are having the same issue...

i have some phone calls in and emails

Midnightsky

03-26-2008, 05:43 PM

TC's software has some flaws and he can not do any 04 and up vehicles...

That is 100% BULL****!!!!!:drool:mmmmm:drool: bull**** lets all eat some more yum yum:drool:

Straight from the horses mouth, quoted from one of TC's post about his new software on NT.com

I have all the software and equipment to do 2.0, 2.0VVT and 2.7L 2003-2007.
http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2510924&postcount=61

Sooo.....................yea......

KeWLKaT

03-26-2008, 08:28 PM

^^^ Yeah and he does the delta too!

Go NGM. Boo Jester who steals technology.

Silentwolf

03-26-2008, 09:06 PM

NGM needs competition. Prices are way to up there cause he knows he is the only one.

KeWLKaT

03-26-2008, 09:09 PM

Of course, competition is always good. Just trying to get the facts strait is all.

bmxdad

03-26-2008, 10:51 PM

NGM needs competition. Prices are way to up there cause he knows he is the only one.

Was waiting for someone to mention this ... ;)

only1db

03-27-2008, 12:26 PM

ok the facts are...

a former employee of sniper had the software, and jester asked for it...so now he is using it.

i'm sure none of you have shared files on your computer right??

and i'm sorry but 650 or 300....TC or tuner of multiple vehicles for years?

dont take that the wrong way i have talked with TC myself and i appreciate what he does, but he is no engineer and will always have to rely on somebody else to figure out the software issues...jester is an engineer and that is exactly what he does at sniper...he writes code to interface with other software. if anybody can figure it out he can.

sit tight more to come! he has done some 04 and up cvvt ecu but not all...but he is working on it..

ok even if TC has the software....who has had it done yet? neither here or over on NT has anybody posted up...I had mine done by TC....nobody!

lets not also forget about basic capitalism...more the merrier...more demand, more vendors, the lower the price...thats why honda parts cost close to nothing.

NY2002ElantraGT

03-27-2008, 12:34 PM

and whoever says TC cant do CVVT 04+ elantra's is lieing. he is test fitting the Supercharger and using the software on an 05 elantra that he bought! so get facts straight

Midnightsky

03-27-2008, 06:01 PM

sit tight more to come! he has done some 04 and up cvvt ecu but not all...but he is working on it..

So TC can do 04 and up cvvt but jester can't?

ok even if TC has the software....who has had it done yet? neither here or over on NT has anybody posted up...I had mine done by TC....nobody!

Oh that's right you and your entire family own Elantras and have the jester tuning all up and running right??

.................Wait a second, so your trying to say yours is better and will be cheeper and EVENTUALLY "could" work while TC over at NGM has already done the tuning on a few cars?? I think wat this will come down to is PICS OR BAN!! ROFL

and whoever says TC cant do CVVT 04+ elantra's is lieing. he is test fitting the Supercharger and using the software on an 05 elantra that he bought! so get facts straight

+1 to that

ok the facts are......I'm sure none of you have shared files on your computer right??
Ok When did this become about us?? lol I love how your trying to change the topic and put some type of blame on us for like ppl who download music or porn or something...........lol, gl gettin past my firewall only to find out I have ZERO shared files because I don't like spyware and reformatting my hard drive. Wat are you the government? Oh no run away Only1db is some government crackdown on downloaded porn and music ROFL

BColeman

03-27-2008, 07:12 PM

^ Your being plain ridiculous now.

Midnightsky

03-27-2008, 07:36 PM

^ Your being plain ridiculous now.

yea?

i'm sure none of you have shared files on your computer right??

^ Your being plain ridiculous now.

This whole this is already ridiculous because we've got no pics of this "jester" tuning and we've got only1db telling lieing to ppl about wat NGM can and can't do:angryfire

Cypher

03-27-2008, 08:42 PM

Nathan calm down, now.

slow 2K2GT

03-27-2008, 09:13 PM

Well I think that this whole thread should be cleaned up and nothing more should be posted until there are pictures, specs, and prices. There are a lot of what ifs in this certain area, people are drawing up their on conclusions about stuff that is still under construction. Derek I dont think you should be talking about anything until there is solid evidence that it is done, getting peoples hopes up and talking about the possibilities of what may be is just wrong and ignorant.

only1db

03-28-2008, 08:04 AM

^ believe what you want...i should have stayed with my original idea and not posted anything till i was up on the dyno...

i knew you were all just going to tear it down....whatever.

does anybody have a TC tune yet?? i havent seen one...i have even seen one on his own boards.

lets just wait and see...

buy it or dont buy it thats your choice. my choice is simple i'm going with a very reputable tuner that has been doing this for years. end of story.

pretty funny though i always thought the guys on NT were assholes....you guys have proved me wrong. for the select few that are interested...

i will update this thread will numbers SOON!

till then.

slow 2K2GT

03-28-2008, 10:38 AM

Yes you're right you should have kept it all secret but I understand wanting to share ideas, hopes and dreams. I do hope that you also understand why people are a little skeptical about this whole thing and the only people who are in any kind of support and hopes of this reflash are those who havent been around for years to hear you talk about your plans.

I do hope this all works out for you and in the end the tuning community. I do think you are putting up way too many excuses about the R&D of your proposed turbo build, there are not many variables you need to take into consideration for the power level that you are hoping for...but if you want to make it a lot harder than it has to be, in the end I can see why your wife isnt supportive of your modding.

BColeman

03-28-2008, 11:41 AM

This whole this is already ridiculous because we've got no pics of this "jester" tuning and we've got only1db telling lieing to ppl about wat NGM can and can't do:angryfire

What "pics" would you like? Seriously...

How about 3 other people on this site that not only know about the company, but have also been there. Not to mention, that there are many other people I know who have been tuned by JESTR (at least spell the **** right for crying out loud)!!!!

And Midnight, you must work for NGM or something. Or you are plain retarded. There's NO way in hell any of us would pay $650 for a REFLASH. That is plain ridiculous, and TC and NGM can go jump in a lake for all I care. A $250 reflash is not only more reasonable, it's worth every penny. If I had $650 laying around, I wouldn't waste on a reflash that isn't worth that much money. I'd buy a real stand alone for that much money: read: MegaSquirt...

PSUsouthpaw

03-28-2008, 11:53 AM

I have to agree that $650 is insane. I can think of many, many more things I would spend that money on than 5-10 whp (Generous, I know). For $250, depending how good it is, I might be tempted into it, but otherwise, I have better things to use such a sum on.

I think that we need to see some concrete data and we need to see it soon, lest this thread go even further downhill.

BColeman

03-28-2008, 11:56 AM

Can't agree with you more Jared. And that data will arrive soon enough, whether Derek posts it up, or Hayden does. Even still, the data will be completely different between the 2, as Derek is N/A on a Beta II non-CVVT and Hayden is turbocharged on a Beta II CVVT (with 1.8 internals being installed as we speak).

The data between the 2 will vary drastically. However, data is data, and it will be proof enough that not only is Jestr's tuning capabilities a reality for I4 Beta owners, but also that it's worth every penny, even if a realization of 2 to 5 hp happens.

Who can argue with 2 to 5 hp increase, when there are so many other benefits that come with this, like increased rev limiter, removal of the top speed limiter, smoother fuel curves, better timing control, etc.

Keyan

03-28-2008, 01:13 PM

Who can argue with 2 to 5 hp increase, when there are so many other benefits that come with this, like increased rev limiter, removal of the top speed limiter, smoother fuel curves, better timing control, etc.

Couldn't have said that better myself.

I also think that certain MODERATORS shouldn't go off topic in this thread, separate it into a different thread in the flame section if you have to.

toymachine566

03-28-2008, 01:50 PM

I think we should all run our cars in a demolition dirby. then claim warranty. hahaha

.....I understand this thread started out with good intentions, but the whole "we're the 1st" thing is what really de-railed everyone. so for now I agree as well to give updates of progress with said reflash or just wait until there is something attainable for people to grasp.

The same thing happened with the NGM s/c kit, "oh this kit will be the best blah blah blah". theres nothing but opinion until the actual product itself is out.

(disclaimer - not knocking jester or ngm, just sayin people should wait and see.......on BOTH ends, producer and consumer)

j0hnh0lmes

03-28-2008, 04:46 PM

I agree with everyone o.0.

I'm waiting for Haydens results to see what he can do for us with a turbo set-up. It may finally be an end-all solution to alot of the problems with Cvvt and a turbo set-up.

Midnightsky

03-28-2008, 04:48 PM

i knew you were all just going to tear it down....whatever.

pretty funny though i always thought the guys on NT were assholes....you guys have proved me wrong.

Wow you mean u actually experienced what I went thru during my first month of posting on EXD and ECLUB?? What you gotta realize is that you live in America, ppl don't give 2 sh**ts about your ideas, they only care when you've got it right infront of them and they can pull our their wallet and give you money for it, not sit and think about when it's coming out and if it will work and all that stuff. Keep dreaming tho, the world is 100% made of dreams and we wouldn't be here talking about Jester tuning if somebody hadn't dreamed up cars or the internet ect ect ect......

read: MegaSquirt...

Does the term plugNplay mean anything to you?? We all know that MegaSquirt is NOT a plugNplay unit. FIRST OFF, how many ppl are actually willing to mess around with their ECU wiring?? Very few ppl have the knowledge and the stones to start picking away at vital vehicle wiring. Now I agree $650 is a far cry from $250 or $200 or w/e Jester charges in the end but think of it this way......NGM invested in that software MORE for the F/I ppl who are stuck using things like MegaSquirt or SMT and have to pick away at the wiring and spend who knows how many hours sodering and wiring and such. Anyone who's got a full S/C or Turbo kit from NGM obviously has money and isn't afraid to spend it. TC didn't get this software for N/A ppl so we can gain 5hp, he got it so that he can gain like 15hp+ from his kits.

And yes......somehow, someway I am working for NGM from across the damn continent, maybe I should bring down a big Canadian snow ball and throw it at you:abovelol:

BColeman

03-28-2008, 06:11 PM

Be careful with that snowball now. I live in NY, so I am literally only a snowball throw away from you:D

It's fine that you want to tout what NGM says and does. And you are right, they are primarily focused on F/I tunes/cars. No problem there. But seriously, after you dump that much money into your ride, what do you get. I personally do not feel that all the benefits of a reflash, regardless of what stage of modifications you are at, warrant that price tag.

And yes, you are right, SMT and MegaSquirt are not plug and play. Your comment about people not wanting to poke at their ECUs is valid. But then again, why did they bother throwing a turbo on their car if they can't do some of the work themselves.

It may just be me, but wiring up a standalone unit, or piggyback unit, is second nature to me. I can do it in my sleep. But not everyone is electronically or mechanically inclined. I personally feel that if you can get under your hood and bolt up a turbo kit, custom at best, then you should be able to do some electrical work on your vehcile too.

BTW, I have a friend in the Hyundai community who has been fiddling with the MegaSquirt, and is trying to create a plug and play harness. If he succeeds, which he will, I have no idea at this time if he will go into business to offer this to the community. As it stands, he is only creating it for X3 Accents, but it would be no different for us XDers, except for harness and tuning. But that's irrelevant at the moment.

Oh, and I just looked outside. All the snow has melted. So I'll gladly take the snowball, as long as you will accept the 10 tons of mud I've got outside my house.:D

only1db

03-28-2008, 06:22 PM

thank you all for showing interest and backing me up on this.

i do not have excuses but facts that i need to iron out before i start.

first off, i will be doing the five lug conversion first.

there are tools that i need to purchase so i can do the custom stuff that i want to do.

my partner also needs to get tools together

not to mention i need jester to tell me what i will need for a reflashed ecu tune. obviously i will know soon.

bc...his window stickers say jester....(IIRC)

keyan...thank you!!

Cypher

03-28-2008, 06:24 PM

You're a fool Nathan. For people going through the trouble to t/c or s/c their cars in the first place, installing a GREAT tuning option such as the megasquirt or smt shouldn't be an issue but thats not what this thread is about and this is the last warning I'm going to give.

Keep this to the Jestr reflash and nothing else. Not the NGM crap, not how Derek has been in the past, not anything else.

BobMs_wht2k2

03-28-2008, 06:29 PM

Who can argue with 2 to 5 hp increase, when there are so many other benefits that come with this, like increased rev limiter, removal of the top speed limiter, smoother fuel curves, better timing control, etc.

I couldn't agree more. When you start to realize how poor our fuel tuning is it's scary. Anything past 3200rpms in my car goes stupid rich and fuel economy drops drastically. With speed limits higher than ever (75 and 80mph out west) something that will help is definately in my future.

You're a fool Nathan.

Amen.

BColeman

03-28-2008, 06:32 PM

Sorry for the O/T then.

Derek, it's JESTR...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/bpc217/jestrbanner6.jpg

Silentwolf

03-28-2008, 06:36 PM

BColeman

03-28-2008, 06:37 PM

BobMs_wht2k2

03-28-2008, 06:39 PM

Was kinda wondering why the 3k mark seemed so magical with lowered mpg. I'm really hoping the tune will help with the fuel economy, even if it only gives a measly 5hp increase. After all, i paid 360 for my exhaust for a measly 5hp increase (if it gave that), but a new tune should help make better use of intake and exhaust mods as well. If i'm not mistaken at least.

I've checked it multiple times on multiple trips. Keep the tach below 3200 and it sips gas like a metro. Slip over that magic number and it sucks it like a Mustang V8.

BColeman

03-28-2008, 06:40 PM

Was kinda wondering why the 3k mark seemed so magical with lowered mpg. I'm really hoping the tune will help with the fuel economy, even if it only gives a measly 5hp increase. After all, i paid 360 for my exhaust for a measly 5hp increase (if it gave that), but a new tune should help make better use of intake and exhaust mods as well. If i'm not mistaken at least.

Yep, a reasonable tune will make more use of the mods you've done. I have a CAI, header, and f'd up exhaust. That said, a retune/reflash, I'll net quite a few more ponies. Not under 3500 RPM though, it will be in the higher RPM range, where we already run too rich to make much in the way of hp by the addition of the mods.

BobMs_wht2k2

03-28-2008, 06:42 PM

Bob, I also agree. Anything that can help out the rich tuning for higher MPH highway driving, I want it. As long as the price is good of course.

I have always felt that our cars would benefit from a 6th gear, if you are manual. 70mph on the highway, I'm sitting around 3k RPM. At 75 or 80, I'm close to 3500 RPM. That is just a horrible place to be at for fuel economy.

That's why I went over sized on tires. I spend 85% of my drive time at ore above 70mph on the highway. Going 6% overdriven helps. Alot. Right now I have my 225/45 hankooks on and they are 3% underdriven and it's amazing how fast I have to run the car to keep up with traffic. THe plus side is the engine is really responsive!

What makes the non-CVVT cars the worst is the fact that being a Speed Density set up, the PCM relies solely on those terrible fuel maps to control everything.

BColeman

03-28-2008, 06:45 PM

Interesting...

I never put much thought into that. My soon to be ex-wife's car is parked outside, with the 16" Rage Vigor wheels on it. When it warms up here a little, I will put them on my car, putting the stock alloys on that one, and go for a drive and see what happens. I haven't had them on my car for 2 years or so, so I have forgotten what they can do for "performance".

Cypher

03-28-2008, 06:46 PM

I have a wideband hooked up and I don't usually go above 65mph but I can tell you at 55mph and below it reads ~15.1 or so, once you let the rpms climb it reads about 14.5-14.7. Maybe tomorrow I'll take it up to 75ish to see how it fairs up there.

BColeman

03-28-2008, 06:47 PM

Now watch out Jim. Your car isn't used to going above the posted speed limit, you have no idea what it may do, or what it may do to you....:D

Silentwolf

03-28-2008, 06:52 PM

Yep, a reasonable tune will make more use of the mods you've done. I have a CAI, header, and f'd up exhaust. That said, a retune/reflash, I'll net quite a few more ponies. Not under 3500 RPM though, it will be in the higher RPM range, where we already run too rich to make much in the way of hp by the addition of the mods.

Well improved timing/maps esp with the CVVT should help increase in the lower rpms as well.

Midnightsky

03-28-2008, 06:56 PM

You're a fool Nathan

and I never doubted it for a second:abovelol:

BColeman

03-28-2008, 06:57 PM

Only slightly, because of the CVVT, there really won't be that much in the way of gains below 3k rpm.

The CVVT is most effective from idle to 3k rpm, constantly adjusting -26 degrees to + 26 degrees of retard/advance respectively. When you add the intake, header, and exhaust, you already see gains at the lower rpm. It's when you get to 4500 or so, that it seems to drop off. That's because the CVVT is becoming more neutral, fuel is pooring in, which robs HP.

On the other hand, if timing/CVVT control can be realized with a reflash, we can detune the fuel, increase the CVVT advancement at various points of the RPM band, and those mods done to the car, well, you may even see 10 or 12 hp at certain points of the rpm range. An average of 5 would be very decent. But all of this will only happen under WOT, which granted, none of us drive like that at all times.

So there will be different maps for WOT and "normal" driving situations. In "normal" situations, we need to detune the fuel for fuel economy. For WOT situations, we need fuel re-mapped, with timing, to realize optimal performance for the mods we've done to our engine.

BobMs_wht2k2

03-28-2008, 06:58 PM

Well improved timing/maps esp with the CVVT should help increase in the lower rpms as well.

You CVVT guys stand to see the most increase (IMO) in power and drivability. With the MAF taking an accurate reading of the incoming air it can more accurately fine tune the mix to get it juuuuuust right. I think the non-CVVT tune will be the hardest.

Oh, and anyone that's driven a properly tuned vehicle, not even a hot one, just tuned, notices a big difference over stock. It's like learnign to drive all over again.

only1db

03-29-2008, 06:58 PM

^ agreed...

thank you cypher!

numbers to come!

slow 2K2GT

03-29-2008, 07:48 PM

Jesus is eventually coming too.

ricerrx7

03-29-2008, 09:34 PM

Jesus is eventually coming too.

Then he'll pay the girl and leave.

only1db

03-30-2008, 08:06 AM

Jesus is eventually coming too.

like i said he is a busy guy....you dont just map things out over night.

slow 2K2GT

03-30-2008, 09:56 AM

I was just poking fun with that one, I know how complicated tuning can be...especially when a reputable company is putting their name and reputation into it, everything has to be perfect!

only1db

03-30-2008, 02:04 PM

cvvt is now being worked on...he was able to extract from a 2.0 cvvt

again i WILL have numbers by the 19th of april

Silentwolf

03-30-2008, 07:20 PM

Whom did he get the cvvt from? I was gonna contact him tomorrow and offer.

Cypher

03-30-2008, 07:32 PM

Probably his wifes car.

slow 2K2GT

03-30-2008, 10:45 PM

Probably his wifes car.

Had to take it out because hers was most likely faster...couldnt have that could we Derek???

BColeman

03-30-2008, 10:55 PM

Actually, Jestr extracted from Hayden's (struck1181) 05 boosted GT sedan this past Monday. He was able to read everything perfectly. He now has to play with everything, all of the maps, and do some research on the whole CVVT thing.

BTW, for those of you near Orlando, you know who you are, well, you are in for a surprise.

I am moving back to Orlando on April 1st. And no, it's not an April Fool's joke. I am leaving New York for good on Tuesday morning, and I am coming back to Orlando. After the last week or so of thinking things over, these farm trucks are nothing compared to the car scene down there. And that's why I'm coming back. I want to be with my old Hyundai crew, and I want to be in on this Jestr Tuning thing.

So Derek, we will have an N/A race most definitely in the not too distant future.

Silentwolf

03-30-2008, 11:08 PM

Well then give me a jingle for meeting up then. Guess you and i will be getting ours done at the same time/ as soon as Jestr has the maps done.

BColeman

03-30-2008, 11:22 PM

Yeah meng, will do. To be honest, Hayden is first in line, then we come second and third, me being third.

But we will definitely be meeting up soon, either at the Coastal meet, or before.

BobMs_wht2k2

03-31-2008, 05:32 PM

Is it here yet?

Silentwolf

03-31-2008, 07:04 PM

Midnight, your losing it man. BC was referring to the lineup of who's in order at Jestr's for doing the reflash when he's ready, and referring to things that would be impacted by the reflash.

Kingyum

03-31-2008, 09:11 PM

sorry if this was answered earlier in the thread, i didnt bother to go through all five pages, but where would the ECu be located in a 2001 4door elantra?

Keyan

03-31-2008, 09:14 PM

above the left foot dead pedal

BColeman

03-31-2008, 09:19 PM

^ Correct. A little more detail though.

To the left of the dead pedal, that that's the kick panel. You'll need to remove it after you remove the dead pedal. I also recommend removing the lower dash paneling, only because it blocks some ambient light from getting into the area you need to work. Also, on the side of the dash, with the door open, you'll see the fuse panel covering. You will want to remove that too, so you can get more light into the area. It's pretty easy to see. Just hard as hell to get to and work on, when you weight 220 like myself.

Keyan

03-31-2008, 09:20 PM

you don't have to remove the kick panel OR the dead pedal. 3 screws hold the bracket in place that the ecu is bolted to and you disconnect it and pull the ecu and bracket out. but you dont have to remove it to reflash it! lol I have a size 14 shoe, when my foot is resting on the dead pedal, my toes basically sit in the ECU wires. hyundai chose a horrible location to put it.

BColeman

03-31-2008, 09:25 PM

Cypher

03-31-2008, 10:23 PM

Guys.... stay on topic.

only1db

04-01-2008, 07:36 AM

DAMN ! ! ! ! Size 14?!?!?!

No, Keyan, you are right, you do not have to do all of that stuff. But I had a hell of a time trying to remove the ECU, so I personally did all of the above. Others may do things a little better.

swivel sockets! BC hit me on the PM when you get down here!! ;)

and yeah it was not my wifes car it was somebody up in orlando...

DAILLESTWUN

04-04-2008, 04:27 PM

To those who remmeber me wuh zuh!! To those who don't..............wuh zuh!!

Well as some of you know I had an 01 Elantra and traded it in for a V6 Magnum. The Hemi guys were able to get a handheld tuner so I lobbied for us V6ers to get one as well. Well let's just say that I was successful and am going to pick up my tuner after work today. My car is currently running on the tune which was put in by the tech's and it is like night and day. In my car I gained about 20rwhp in lower RPM's and a total of about 27lbs./peak tq..

But besides that we now have firmer shifts, adjustable shift points as well as speed limiter adjustment. The firmer shifts alone are a big difference as the car jumps now and the lag is gone.

Before this tuner came out we had the B&G flash which is similar to what this thread is about. Yes it is better than nothing but in all honesty to me it isn't worth the $. Usually what happens is you have to send them your ECU and have them flash it so you will be without a car for a few days. You have the option to buy a seperate ECU and send it to them or if they even have a core one to work with and send you a flashed ECU in return for yours. Now here are some problems with the reflashed ECU.

1. You tell them your mods and they send you a flashed ECU according to your mods. But whenever you do another mod you will have to send them your ECU again so it can be reflashed for the new mods. Big inconvenience and waste of time without your car running.

2. Warranty will be affected when it comes to your computer unless you have a seperate ECU to throw in.

With the tuner you can have custom tunes installed and any updates are provided free on the tuners website. You D/L the tune using a USB cable to your tuner and install it to your ECU.

With a handheld tuner you can restore it to stock when taking it in for service. This mostly pertains to the N/A guys of course.

Take a look at one of the guys dyno sheets
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/daillestwun/07_LX_V6_5spd_stk_toon.jpg

It honestly would benefit you guys more for a handheld tuner. I contacted the guys at the tuner shop to see what they think. I can't promise you guys anything but let's see what they say. I first contacted them about my car in July or so and now is when they came out with it but it was worth the wait. It is much more convenient than a flashed ECU and the owner has the ability to custom tune on their own at the dyno.

I don't mean to hijack this thread but i just want to let you guys know that there are better options out there. Just trying to help out.

Would there be any interest for a handheld tuner? LMK

*Disclaimer: This post was completely thought of and written by myself. I am not promising anything but just want to gauge some interest.

KeWLKaT

04-04-2008, 04:33 PM

Which rock did you crawl out of?

The pic doesnt work son.

DAILLESTWUN

04-04-2008, 04:49 PM

I swing by every so often. Fixed the pic. I had been thinking about this for a while but would forget to mention it to the tuners. Hopefully they can do soemthing about it.

Cypher

04-04-2008, 04:51 PM

Where you been at Jimmy?! You need to start dropping by more. I'd really like to meet up with you sometime when I travel down to Florida.

As for the handheld tuner, I think plenty of people would be interested in it.

DAILLESTWUN

04-04-2008, 05:11 PM

Hey just let me know man!! Well i'm going to talk to them tonight. Now I'll stop hijacking sorry. BTW, I've got stock spring for sale if anyone wants.

Crap there I go hijacking again...

Now to your regularly scheduled program.

BColeman

04-04-2008, 05:12 PM

Yeah, I second that. I contact SuperChips, located in Longwood, FL, about 4 years ago when I had my '02 GLS to see if it would be possible for them to come up with a handheld unit. Well, 4 years later, nothing has come of it.

Yes, Jimmy, where the hell have you been? Even though you don't have the XD anymore, we still like you, and still want you around.

And as far as going off topic, no problem here in this thread it would seem. I think the information you have presented us in this thread has opened the doors a little wider for ECU tuning. Thank you for giving this information to us, and YES, please, see if they might be able to do something for us. At this point, I don't think any of us really care how long it takes to come up with a product that works. We've waited this long, why not wait a little longer.

Only question about such a product that comes to mind is forced induction. I don't know if any of the V6 owners actually boost their vehicles or not, though I'm sure there are some in the process of doing so. That being said, this handheld tuner you've got, would it allow you to tune for these modifications added to your car?

only1db

04-04-2008, 11:50 PM

that was TC's original intent...was a hand held tuner.

jestr will not be a hand held. or atleast not at the moment.

i'm trying to contact him to see when we start on my car. the 19th is approaching fast.

CornbreadXD

04-05-2008, 12:06 AM

someday i'll learn to read dyocharts, but that big line looks good

Pete03GLS

04-05-2008, 01:27 AM

im for anything that will tune the ECU, dyno or handheld, idc.

SilverElantra

04-05-2008, 03:16 PM

handheld would be awesome too, but lets take this one step at a time and get something that works first. minus the 600 dollar option from ngm.

only1db

04-06-2008, 02:35 PM

^ agree...again i have been trying to contact jestr about getting on the dyno to see some numbers...but damn he is a busy man!

SilverElantra

04-06-2008, 03:14 PM

^ agree...again i have been trying to contact jestr about getting on the dyno to see some numbers...but damn he is a busy man!

which is the only thing that makes me worry if its all legit, i understand he is busy, but seein some progress would truly help.

CRAZIECRACKER

04-06-2008, 03:55 PM

progressss!!!! where is it!!!!!

lol j/k man, it should get done o cant see him playing you.

only1db

04-07-2008, 08:57 PM

i will be heading up there soon for some numbers i just have to make arrangement.

he said he is still trying to map everything out....i have to get details from him...but atleast i can do a NA pull to see where i stand as a baseline.

more to come!!

KeWLKaT

04-07-2008, 11:40 PM

Almost a month since he ''accessed'' your ECU lol

SilverElantra

04-08-2008, 12:24 AM

c mon kewl at least be somewhat nice about it even if you dont like the idea. i mean this will be a breakthrough for us if it works out and i know you will be all over it so just stop.

BColeman

04-08-2008, 12:31 AM

Nope, Felix is moving on remember? He is looking for a new car to fit his Engineering status when he graduates from school, leaving the XD for a beater.

But I'm sure we could persuade him to do otherwise with his XD. The boost bug isn't quite gone from him yet. He'll come around, won't you FELIX ! ! ! ? ? ?

PLEASE

only1db

04-08-2008, 07:50 AM

it doesnt bother me....he can be however he wants to be...if being an engineer is too good for the XD so be it.

i'm looking at this weekend for some base numbers.

updates to come!

a month uh? i dont think that is very long.... year from now...then yeah come flame me...but a month...

SilverElantra

04-08-2008, 11:26 AM

o if its going to be a year give us the fair warning now, we can get all those flames ready for you.

Cypher

04-08-2008, 01:28 PM

if its going to be a year let me know so I can ban you now :tongue:

RTPScoupe

04-08-2008, 09:34 PM

Well if he can raise the rev limitier only, I will be intrested

BColeman

04-08-2008, 09:37 PM

He should be able to do what ever you want. But with a raised rev limiter, you are going to want other things tuned, otherwise you can kiss your motor good bye.

Cypher

04-08-2008, 09:55 PM

rtpscoupe has a swapped acent and is boosted with a hahn racecraft super 16g. I'd say he's probably already thought that through.

BColeman

04-08-2008, 09:59 PM

Ouch, it's like that? Well then, I retract my previous statement then. Rev Limiter Raised FTW!!!

KeWLKaT

04-08-2008, 09:59 PM

LOL ''status''. I just experienced having an open diff FWD boosted car and it sucks. Ever since I test drove that 98 impreza my neighboor wanted to buy, I fell in love with the AWD. That is most probably what I will end up getting (not necessarily a subaru though). I wish they made those saab aeros in AWD, maybe within a couple of years if im lucky, hahaha.

Anyways, I wasn't trying to be mean, just that if a company is making something and it's taking a looooong time, it either means it's one of those single-manned companies, or that they just aren't taking it seriously, OR that it's another company doing it for them.

Keyan

04-08-2008, 10:01 PM

orrrrrrr everyone can stop *****ing (especially the MODS) and let this thread die in between updates on it.

KeWLKaT

04-08-2008, 10:04 PM

orrrrrrr everyone can stop *****ing (especially the MODS) and let this thread die in between updates on it.

orrrr you can watch your mouth so you wont get banned by those MODS :abovelol:

moving on....

Silentwolf

04-08-2008, 10:25 PM

Someone ones waiting impatiently :tongue: (and no not u Felix)

only1db

04-08-2008, 10:44 PM

you dont say...

hopefully i will be on the dyno come sunday afternoon (base numbers)....i will let you guys know!

trust me guys the weather doesnt change in florida so even a couple of weeks inbetween really will not mean that much as far as the numbers go...its hot and humid...almost all the time!

Silentwolf

04-08-2008, 10:54 PM

Ya no ****! Why you think i'm tired of it after being down here for 13 years.

Curious, when he does the reflash, does he put the car on the dyno at the time and do before and after? Or do we need to pony over some cash to get a baseline done first? Cause i know a local shop that with a dyno.

KeWLKaT

04-08-2008, 11:03 PM

If you guys do baselines, MAKE SURE you get an oxygen sensor welded in before the cat so we can see the AFR's....

Silentwolf

04-08-2008, 11:08 PM

Huh??

Neither of us have a header and i only have the aftermarket exhaust.

KeWLKaT

04-08-2008, 11:12 PM

What's the point of the dyno if you won't know where to lean out the mixture?

You can weld a bung on the stock manifold BTW, yes, it's cast, but it's not a high-stress piece.

Otherwise there is NO point in getting it reflashed, it will ALL be guesswork.

SilverElantra

04-09-2008, 03:21 AM

he has a point there. you can tell i dont like to admit when hes right.

only1db

04-09-2008, 07:36 AM

he has that covered...he has a specifically designed wideband that goes into the tail pipe.

dont worry he will have that covered

silent...the base run is part of the tune....after the base he then starts to adjust, more pulls then follow.

Cypher

04-09-2008, 07:50 AM

it still won't be a very accurate reading considering its after all the cats.

Keyan

04-09-2008, 09:03 AM

not very accurate but still better than nothing

KeWLKaT

04-09-2008, 09:05 AM

he has that covered...he has a specifically designed wideband that goes into the tail pipe.

That is completely USELESS.

And don't tell me ''he can compensate with a program bla bla bla'', because EVEN if he can, there is NO way he knows about the deterioration of one's perticular car, seeing as everyone is a different case.

Sorry, that's another fail right there...

slow 2K2GT

04-09-2008, 10:16 AM

^^^

Jestr tuning just a boat ride away!!!

http://buffalopundit.wnymedia.net/blogs/files/2007/09/failboat.jpg

PSUsouthpaw

04-09-2008, 11:05 AM

^^^

Jestr tuning just a boat ride away!!!

http://buffalopundit.wnymedia.net/blogs/files/2007/09/failboat.jpg

What happened to all this talk about "doing things right?" I'm pretty sure that getting a wideband put in to measure AFR would be included under that category...

O/T: Thats the most awesome picture ever.

KeWLKaT

04-09-2008, 11:47 AM

Yes but it seems like derek doesn't understand that 2 cats, and 8 feet of piping have effects on the AFR at the end of the tailpipe.

Silentwolf

04-09-2008, 11:52 AM

This isn't Derek's idea. Its the guy that does tuneing for many cars idea. I kinda think that knowledge and practice outweigh armchair guessing.

KeWLKaT

04-09-2008, 12:00 PM

No, it is all guesswork. How the HELL do you want the guy to magically know what AFR he is running? As far as I'm concerned he's a software engineer and not a car whisperer (LOL).

I know it's not derek's idea, but if YOU GUYS weld a damn bung in your manifold for 20$ you can probably get another 5-6 hp out of it at the sweet spots.

dmdicks

04-09-2008, 03:08 PM

If the wideband is a 7wire one with a particulate trap it will be just as accurate as one before the cats. The 7wire ones have the sensitivity to detect the AFR even after the gas has been 'cleaned' by the cats.

KeWLKaT

04-09-2008, 07:15 PM

It still won't be the same emissions coming out from the engine cylinder head. Have as many wires as you want, the mixture IS different.

Silentwolf

04-09-2008, 08:05 PM

You just want to argue with everybody dont ya? As i said before, these people do this for a living, so lets have a little faith in how they go about it.

only1db

04-09-2008, 09:55 PM

damn kewl...chill out...i saw him tuning all of the evo's that way..granted the evos had no cats...

i'm sure there is a way he can do it....considering he has all of the information from the ECU at his fingertips...i'm pretty sure that he can tune it that way!

how the hell does the ecu do it?? he does it the same way...he watches the voltage...

kewl....chill the **** out!!!

again and update...i spoke with jestr tonight...he is waiting on program from korea...the older version when flashed...the car would not start...they are revamping it. he assured me it wont be much longer.