Jestr reflash...part II

[only1db]

Currently.....jestr is waiting on updated software from korea...once that happens he can start reflashing.

i'm attempting to get my first dyno run in this sunday, lets see how that goes!;) i'm curious as to how much power my 112k car will put down.:confused:

[KeWLKaT]

Cleaned up the OP to keep the drama out. Since it seems a lot of people weren't able to handle arguments in the other thread...

All useless posts WILL be cleaned out.

[sciphi]

Glad to hear you're sticking with this re-flashing. Can't wait to hear the results!

[BobMs_wht2k2]

any Idear on how long of a wait we're talking about? Even though the car is "done", I think fuel efficiency could be increased with a decent tune for DD. . .and a few extra ponies wouldn't hurt.

[RTPScoupe]

Im also intrested to see whats up. Ill I really want is my rev limit raised to 7000, no tuning, I'll leave that up to the emanage ultimate. My reading of various threds on here and HP and RDtib indicates that 7000 wont be a problem.

[tuningunlimited]

i am very interested as well! i cant wait to hear the results......

[Keyan]

i'm still interested....lol

[Tommy]

any Idear on how long of a wait we're talking about? Even though the car is "done", I think fuel efficiency could be increased with a decent tune for DD. . .and a few extra ponies wouldn't hurt.

Glad to hear im not the only old fart who thought of increased gas mileage before increased performance.

What is the expected turn around time once they begin doing the reflashes? Might need to look for a spare ecu.

[only1db]

^ you should actually see both....being as it starts to run rich up top...when you lean it out you should make more power. then obviously leaning it out will mean less fuel consumption.


so no dyno run on the 19th jestr is going to the battle of the imports at orlando speedworld.

and there was no time frame set, what i do know is that once that software is aquired reflashing can start.

[Cypher]

Leaning it out will gain you power but I doubt anyone here runs at wot often for good gas mileage. I can tell you that cruising on the highway and around town it varies from 14.7-15.0. Somewhere in that range.

[slow 2K2GT]

Yes I agree, even with my car and the 290s for primaries I still run in that AF range.

[only1db]

UPDATE!!!

i just recieved and email from jestr....

here is a link to the sniper forums!! very soon!! :bowdown:

http://www.snipertuningforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=1141&sid=ac0a7790de38971cac91a48b37d6a8a4

[Keyan]

holy crap is that a handheld for laptop tuning???????????????/

[timebomb056]

I cant wait to see it. Just to say what i think.
I think that the tuning would help with fuel economy if you have performance part like intake exhaust ect... because you can fine tune the fuel for the extra air coming in and exhaust coming out

[only1db]

holy crap is that a handheld for laptop tuning???????????????/

no its not...its merely the flash box itself...the serial cable goes to the laptop:D

i'm trying to learn the process...sorry for the nontechnical terms

but what i does mean is that the koreans nailed it down...this also has to do with the release of reprogramming software for hyundai vehicles in general. so now jo smo mechanic can download and the reflash the ecu with updates and reprograms....jestr will just be loading up his own maps rather then the reprogram....does that make sense?


so very soon!! i will continue to keep everybody updated.

[dmdicks]

In 2005 when I worked for Alpine they were in talks with some Korean guys at Mobis and they said they had a prototype 'flash-box' working for Beta 2 Elantras and Tiburons. Alpine was going to go that route for its kits, but it turned out to be way too expensive compared to the Unichip. That was in 2005.

[only1db]

we are getting closer!!


however...i found out some information on the 8 bit cpu...they are not flashable by hyundai...therefore i do not think that jestr will be able to flash them....if there was an update for anything for the RC/RD beta 1 they sent out a new cpu...

sorry 8bit guys...but if you are going to a beta II you could swap over to a newer pcm?

i will continue to update....sorry yamaha and other guys who wanted to know about the 8bit

[KeWLKaT]

Your guy is just unable to hack it. Software is software.

I'm glad this is getting closer although it doesn't mean anything, lol.

[bmxdad]

You code to Mickey? wow ... ;)

Its more less a software issue then a hardware one. There might not be room to upgrade the new data, or it might not be writable ... non eprom chip, but a single use, burnt chip ... sort of like a one shot deal.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Your guy is just unable to hack it. Software is software.

I'm glad this is getting closer although it doesn't mean anything, lol.

Actually, you're wrong. THe older Honduh PCM's (pre 02 model year) were not reflashable either. Hardware is not software. They actually erplace the pcm's to a newer style capable of being reflashed with the new transmission every car gets.

[Silentwolf]

Well, i will be going over Wed. to get my ECU read.

[only1db]

i should see jestr today or tomorrow...he is coming down to sniff out the evo X...


and yeah its a one shot deal...its a cd-r not a cd-rw....for example

[KeWLKaT]

Yes but still there must be a way of doing it. Everything is hackable. Even if the ''drive'' can't be written on, you can change it to another.

That's all i'm saying.

and yes, bmxdad, I do code. Haha!

Oh well, at least the beta1 guys have the megasquirt unit from KFX. Not that we care, since we don't have those ECUs.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

OK, Mr genius, what are you going to change it to? If it's a single write disc (think CD-R), that means you would have to get another disc, right? Where are you going to get an unwritten HD for it? All of them here already have the original tune written on them. Sure, swap it for a different one that has the same problem. . . You really didn't think that post through did you?

[Tommy]

Unless they're not reflashing. Is it an actual new rom? If its an actual reflash, then it wouldnt make sense at all to be able to only do it once..

[rusto85]

i should see jestr today or tomorrow...he is coming down to sniff out the evo X...


and yeah its a one shot deal...its a cd-r not a cd-rw....for example

Confusing...did you meant that for the RD/RC cars not being able to be flashed right?

At least that's what I'm getting.

[KeWLKaT]

OK, Mr genius, what are you going to change it to? If it's a single write disc (think CD-R), that means you would have to get another disc, right? Where are you going to get an unwritten HD for it? All of them here already have the original tune written on them. Sure, swap it for a different one that has the same problem. . . You really didn't think that post through did you?

Bob. There is more than what you know to electronics, and computers in general. That's all I'm going to say. :rolleyes:

Go on rdtib, search for the user ''Airborne''. He is from Korea, where they HAVE and USE beta1 reflashed ECUs. Altough, they are different ones, ECU's in the Korea are 16 bit instead of 8-bit, so they had to do some modifications to the system. He used to sell them to the USA aswell. Yes, the tune on it wasn't perfect, but people used it on boosted setups, so it PROVES you that it IS indeed possible to reflash it... Sure, it's not the same exact ECU, but perhaps it's ''not re-writable'' aswell? I don't see why it would be different. :abovelol: And Bob, yes I did think through that post. I think more than you think, hahaha.

Link: http://www.rdtiburon.com/index.php?showtopic=12943&st=0&start=0

Dozens of years ago the inventor of the first piggyback probably got laughed at too when he said he could control fuel by changing coolant temp and various sensors readings by bypassing them... Guess what, you can use those anywhere, anyhow now. I am not saying it's easy to hack the beta1 ECU's. Just that there is a way, since it HAS been done in Korea (just like for the beta2 that everyone said is impossible to hack, well there you go...). You can hack ANYTHING electronic. Whether it be to bypass a couple of printed paths on the inside and link it to an outside box containing another HDD, or something along those lines, when there's a will, there's a way. There are a LOT of electronic components out there that people don't know about than can pretty much do anything with the signal you want, whether it be analog or digital. And that example about the CD-R and CD-RW. I don't need to hear it 3 times. I know what you mean. Just that if you swap the ''CD-R'' (e.g. the uneditable hardrive) with a ''CD-RW'' (editable HDD), you can reflash it, right? LOL

Anyways, I don't have a beta1. Even if I did, I wouldn't care, since the product doesn't interest me.

And since Jestr is doing the beta2 ECU's for now, we don't care about the beta1. Let's not cause another closed thread.

[Silentwolf]

I don't know nor care about any other ECU but what's controlling my car. And Jestr wanted an 04-06 Elantra, so i arranged mine (plus it will get me a baseline dyno as well that i've been wanting)

[KeWLKaT]

I don't know nor care about any other ECU but what's controlling my car. And Jestr wanted an 04-06 Elantra, so i arranged mine (plus it will get me a baseline dyno as well that i've been wanting)

Exactly. So let's keep this thread about the beta2 ECU's only. If others want to further discuss the beta1 ECU, start another thread.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

I forgot, Felix is the only one that knows anything about everyting. My apologies master. So arrogant, anda the same time so stupid. You'll learn so much moer when you quit telling people how much smarter than them you are.

Let us know how the baseline goes.

[only1db]

^ exactly....


base line numbers to come for me as well.

[KeWLKaT]

Your apologies are accepted, old man. So when are you guys going to get the baselines? Curious to see, been a while anybody dynoed ''near stock'' elantras.

[Silentwolf]

Hard to say that mines "near stock" :tongue: Over 3k in mods ;) Just not all on performance
Tomorrow is just an ECU read, i don't think a dyno is planned.

[KeWLKaT]

LOL you know what I mean... Engine wise, both you guys have intake/exhaust, right?

[Silentwolf]

Actually, Derik has intake and i have both intake and cat-back exhaust

[only1db]

yeah just intake...mine is all suspension...for the moment.

we are looking for 10-15hp and same in torque

[dmdicks]

Is that 10-15bhp or whp? Gotta be careful making claims like that either way. Even with tuning its very hard to get power with basic bolt-ons on the Beta engine.

[mayollo072R]

I'm watching closely......

[DAILLESTWUN]

Well Felix knows I'm, smarter than him. lol

[Silentwolf]

ECU read and downloaded! And they are fairly sure they'll have it done soon.

Note: The dyno is a Mustang Dynometer. (at least what it says on the box over the dyno :tongue: )

[slow 2K2GT]

Hard to say that mines "near stock" :tongue: Over 3k in mods ;) Just not all on performance
Tomorrow is just an ECU read, i don't think a dyno is planned.

Actually, Derik has intake and i have both intake and cat-back exhaust

So are those your only two mods for 3K?

[Silentwolf]

No, yeesh! And did you read the fine print?? ;)

[joph09]

what are the results?

[Silentwolf]

None yet. I said they just read it.

[KeWLKaT]

Well Felix knows I'm, smarter than him. lol

Bwahahahahah yeah right :abovelol:

[only1db]

just going by what i was told...


and yeah its getting closer!!

[dmdicks]

ECU read and downloaded! And they are fairly sure they'll have it done soon.

Note: The dyno is a Mustang Dynometer. (at least what it says on the box over the dyno :tongue: )

Make sure the dyno your going to tune has the Eddy Brake option installed. People may rip on Mustang Dynos for the numbers they put out, but with the Eddy Brake option it really is the best dyno to tune on.

[Cypher]

^ very true. I've always said that, but as far as comparing to others in the community, a dynojet is typical.

[only1db]

jestr tunes on mustang dynos and the street...:nosthumbs

it is complete!!


tuning will now begin :bowdown:


hopefully i can get up there soon to have mine done!

here is the link to sniper

http://www.snipertuningforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=1160&p=8101#p8101

[SilverElantra]

so...update?

[Silentwolf]

I will be calling again today (its only been 1 1/2 weeks since they read my ECU) to see how the progress is.

[only1db]

dude i'm off today....if you go up there let me know.

[Silentwolf]

I doubt they are done yet. And how are u off on a weekday?!?

[only1db]

lets not go there....

[slow 2K2GT]

So whats the progress like on this?

[Silentwolf]

Waiting

[only1db]

if you follow on the sniper forums it seems that since people have been talking **** they are holding off on it till more people come foward about wanting the reflash...


my idea would then be to flood the sniper forums with our requests...


www.snipertuningforums.com < or something like that you can put it in google and come up with it....there is a spot for hyundai (after you register) and just post up that you want it. other wise they are saying by the end of the year....

i have an email out to my guy (jestr) to see what the true deal is.

[mayollo072R]

if you follow on the sniper forums it seems that since people have been talking **** they are holding off on it till more people come foward about wanting the reflash...


my idea would then be to flood the sniper forums with our requests...


www.snipertuningforums.com < or something like that you can put it in google and come up with it....there is a spot for hyundai (after you register) and just post up that you want it. other wise they are saying by the end of the year....

i have an email out to my guy (jestr) to see what the true deal is.

Come on guys, Only1db is right. Look at this replies in the Sniper forum.

No news yet , this is a project we are working on along with many others , we will have something for these vehicles but I do not have a time line . The reception we got on the hyundai forums deffinately slowed down the project. There were a few other projects we were working on at the time that got greater responce.

Right now we are able to tune most all the Hyundai the big decission is do we assemble 100
flash tools and not be able to sell them , maybe we should put a list together of potential
customers like the mazda link on this forum.

here is the thread http://www.snipertuningforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=1160&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20

[KeWLKaT]

Well once they actually prove it works maybe, then the 100 people buying the units would be interested?

If you can't make a damn prototype work, don't expect anyone to beleive that the production units will be good.

[Keyan]

i posted in that thread. we really need a speed limiter removal tool at LEAST

[KeWLKaT]

So you can kill yourself faster?

Need I remind you that you totalled your first XD? You want to do that again and possibly total yourself? lol I'll never forget the pic of that spoiler that flew off dozens of feet.

Just make sure you say in your will that the remainder of the car goes to me.

[Keyan]

a large road course is opening in my area felix, so please STFU. And what does me getting my car totalled on me when someone rear ended me in traffic have to do with a retune to make my car go faster? aren't we CAR TUNERS? if I wanted a slow car I'd do only looks modifications...but then I'd be rice.

[mayollo072R]

This is the finished product for Korea.

http://imotorroom.com/products/sub_view.asp?pseq=17885&pcode=&seq=&bcode=STO2&cateseq=30&search=

Soon to come ours :cool:

[KeWLKaT]

keyan:

You know I was messing with you, so don't pretend you are pissed off, lol. Also, I doubt that the road course will be having long enough areas to hit more than 200 km/h, usually on 'normal' north american road courses you are lucky to hit 130 km/h.

And to top it off, notice how many RPM's you are at when you are in 5th doing the speed limiter. Here old tiburons are not limited (or some aren't at least) and the max they can go at redline in 5th is like 215km/h. Now you will say they have shorter gears, so let's pretend you can go 230km/h with an XD2 transmission, that's around 140 mph. That's about 20 mph faster than the governor lets you do. Is it worth it? (especially since it would probably take about 10 seconds to do those extra MPH, maybe 8 if you're turbo).

I'm just saying I don't think it's worth it.

P.S. Go to atelierhp.com, they have developed a box that unlocks the governor. Quebec is such a nice place isn't it :)

mayollo:

I don't think they have the same exact thing as in Korea or else there wouldn't be any ''developement''.

[slow 2K2GT]

so let's pretend you can go 230km/h with an XD2 transmission, that's around 140 mph.

actually ive had mine up to 250km/h in 5th gear

[Keyan]

actually ive had mine up to 250km/h in 5th gear

yeah plus I am running bigger tires so when my speedo is reading that 140mph+, I am actually going even faster than that. On 215/45r17s I think the car can get up close to 155mph?

EDIT: not saying that I will nor that I want to.

[BobMs_wht2k2]

actually ive had mine up to 250km/h in 5th gear

Indicated, yes. REal groundspeed though is another story. It's been shown that the XD speedos are not accurate at higher speeds.

[Munky]

It's been shown that the XD speedos are not accurate at higher speeds.

Yeah...no one ever imagined they would make it that high. :abovelol:

[KeWLKaT]

LOL munky

[only1db]

back on topic please....


i will be following it closely...espeically since i will be working somewhat closer to the tuning facility.

[mayollo072R]

You are right Felix, US spec cars are very restricted in many things that Korean Specs vehicle arent and the FI system is different cuz the korean map based vehicles dont use ISA motors according to KSPEC. Snipertuning wrote in their thread that it would be very similar to what Korea already have and, if that so, it will be very cclose (but with some limitations) like having a stand alone system but with your ecu

[only1db]

exactly...you would be able to control fuel and timing...and some other things....


again i think we should just flood the sniper site with replys!

[bmxdad]

From Snyper Tuning:

... no we do not know when we will be testing Hyundai again.
as you no hyundai project slowed down a bit due to the responce on the forums for this type of product ...

Patric


... in other words ... don't hold your breath :cool:

Kind of a shame really as there are people who really want this. Unfortunately some people couldn't be nice about it and have ruined it for the ones who did want it ...

O well, there are two other people pursuing this type of product. Hopefully they'll have better luck.