Beta 2 twin turbo kit!

[ricerrx7]

http://newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133643
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[Pete03GLS]

in my dreams... lol

[Tommy]

$9k HAHAHA...RIGHT

wow. thats freakin hilarious..

Hyundai owners dont have $9k.

thats sig worthy right there.

Whats even funnier is the thought of spending 80% of the original sales price of the car, and still getting your *** handed to you by a WRX with bolt on's.

375hp, fwd. absurd on so many levels, so completely useless.

[Pete03GLS]

man... after reading ur post... i just dont kno wat to reply with... its like... ur just spewing **** out ur lips. so sad...

[Tommy]

go ahead, try to argue with it.

Find me ONE person with an elantra that has $9k they're willing to spend on this setup.

THEN

Take that car to a track and watch it spin like a mofo trying to put that much power to the ground.

[Pete03GLS]

i didnt say that they had 9grand... but... u shud be ****in glad that someones out there even bothering to make things for our cars. people complain about not havin afterm arket parts, n then people make it, n they shoot it down...

if i had 9 grand... id jump right on this man... and once i had it, id worry bout traction later.

[Tommy]

People complain that no one makes aftermarket parts, then someone comes out with a completly useless aftermarket part that no one can use/afford. No one gains from this stuff.

Even if i had $9k to blow on an elantra, there's no way in hell id spend that much on a car that wouldnt even be able to break the 11sec 1/4 mark. 375hp elantra would be lucky to hit 12.5

There are so many faster, better handling, better looking cars that can be bought, built and destory an elantra for less than $9k.

All it would be is internet bragging rights. You show up to a track with that much work done, and you get beat by a mildly tuned subbie, id laugh. Id laugh so hard id piss my pants.

[Silentwolf]

I think u need to get ur head out of your *** and look at many FWD cars under the 10sec range.

And the 9k to outdo an Elantra budget has a rather SMALL choice of cars. First one to mind is a 240sx ($2000) w/ an SR20DET swap (1500) and suspension mods (4000).

[moonlite5hadow]

but why twin? i cant really see, but is it one turbo for a pair of cylinders? (i didnt read the NT post, my answer is probably there, huh?)

and to tommy, take a look at freak Scion TC's, Chevy Cobalts and the like that, when done right, will be a FWD that will leave your jaw on the floor. like the other guy said, get the power, traction later. there's no use in grabbing every inch of ground if u have no power to put there.

that being said, if i had $9k, i'd go find a TT 300ZX and tune that instead of worrying about tuning an econobox. :)

[Tommy]

I think u need to get ur head out of your *** and look at many FWD cars under the 10sec range.

And the 9k to outdo an Elantra budget has a rather SMALL choice of cars. First one to mind is a 240sx ($2000) w/ an SR20DET swap (1500) and suspension mods (4000).


First statement that proves you know nothing of what you are speaking.

$4k for suspension mods... $1500 for an engine? numbers a little reversed there? A DET worth buying will cost more than $1500. more like $2-3k. And then, you have to install it = $$. Then you have a 200hp car. woopteefreakindo.

I dare you to find me 1 under 10sec 1/4mile streetable car. You ever seen a fwd car that runs less than 10sec quarter? you know the type of tires that requires? you know you have to have a roll cage for that shet? Guess what, thats not a car anymore. Thats a dragster. Thats something you tow to the track, make a couple passes, and you tow it home. And you know how much HP those guys are running? 375? HA, double that, in a car that weighs 1000lbs less.

What im saying is - why would you spend $9k on a twin-turbo kit, just to get beaten like a redheaded stepchild at the strip by an STI or something similar with just a couple bolt-ons.

If you're gonna spend the money, you might as well build something thats gonna be FAST.

you want fast and cheap? throw a 302 in a 1st gen RX7. $500 car, 302 from just about anything, built for hella cheap cause everyone and their brother has a 302. Send $1000 to granny's speed shop for their conversion kit, and you basically have a plug and play 12sec car for less than $4k. want to hit 10? slap a supercharger on it and you're still under the 9k mark.

think outside the box, be original, but dont be stupid. Want to go fast, do it right. Dont blow a crapton of money to just keep up.


oh, and you could still drive the RX7 to work every day if you wanted..

[yamaha]

First statement that proves you know nothing of what you are speaking.

$4k for suspension mods... $1500 for an engine? numbers a little reversed there? A DET worth buying will cost more than $1500. more like $2-3k. And then, you have to install it = $$. Then you have a 200hp car. woopteefreakindo.

I dare you to find me 1 under 10sec 1/4mile streetable car. You ever seen a fwd car that runs less than 10sec quarter? you know the type of tires that requires? you know you have to have a roll cage for that shet? Guess what, thats not a car anymore. Thats a dragster. Thats something you tow to the track, make a couple passes, and you tow it home. And you know how much HP those guys are running? 375? HA, double that, in a car that weighs 1000lbs less.

What im saying is - why would you spend $9k on a twin-turbo kit, just to get beaten like a redheaded stepchild at the strip by an STI or something similar with just a couple bolt-ons.

If you're gonna spend the money, you might as well build something thats gonna be FAST.

you want fast and cheap? throw a 302 in a 1st gen RX7. $500 car, 302 from just about anything, built for hella cheap cause everyone and their brother has a 302. Send $1000 to granny's speed shop for their conversion kit, and you basically have a plug and play 12sec car for less than $4k. want to hit 10? slap a supercharger on it and you're still under the 9k mark.

think outside the box, be original, but dont be stupid. Want to go fast, do it right. Dont blow a crapton of money to just keep up.


oh, and you could still drive the RX7 to work every day if you wanted..

Apparently you don't get out much. There are plenty of high 10's and low 11's streetable fwd cars, some even in the 9's bracket. You make yourself look like an idiot comparing a swapped v8 compared to a four cylinder car. Two totally different worlds, especially when comparing a Hyundai with one.

Granted, I will agree with you that 9,000 dollars for a turbo kit it stupid, and you can do just as much for half the price if you have fabrication skills.

[jobzombi]

What crawled up his vagina!!! He just posted a link to another thread leaving us the freedom of choosing to read in on it or not. Quite ur b!@#$ng man!! I for one didn't care myself cause I dont have the money for a twin turbo and I know how much a single turbo cost and I cant afford that so I didnt even bother to look at a twin turbo. LEt the man be!!

[slyderdai]

Here is a 10 second civic. This Guy Mikie Swartz is a local Pa mastermind! He Drifts a truck! Does 5th gear burnouts in a 4 door Integra and Drives a 10 second civic. Heres a link to his videos. Crazy crazy stuff!
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=2482596

[RTPScoupe]

I think its cool

[jobzombi]

I think its cool and I wished I had the money for it!! I think if I did have the money though I woudl do a V6 swap as there is an LSD for the tib tranny for better grip and more aftermarket support for it.

[CornbreadXD]

tommy you might need to look here
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6jvDg6gtOF8&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VGX1EEvNO1I&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FHCKcWoYy1s
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3EUs1rTBpgo&feature=related

[Silentwolf]

First statement that proves you know nothing of what you are speaking.

$4k for suspension mods... $1500 for an engine? numbers a little reversed there? A DET worth buying will cost more than $1500. more like $2-3k. And then, you have to install it = $$. Then you have a 200hp car. woopteefreakindo.

I dare you to find me 1 under 10sec 1/4mile streetable car. You ever seen a fwd car that runs less than 10sec quarter? you know the type of tires that requires? you know you have to have a roll cage for that shet? Guess what, thats not a car anymore. Thats a dragster. Thats something you tow to the track, make a couple passes, and you tow it home. And you know how much HP those guys are running? 375? HA, double that, in a car that weighs 1000lbs less.

What im saying is - why would you spend $9k on a twin-turbo kit, just to get beaten like a redheaded stepchild at the strip by an STI or something similar with just a couple bolt-ons.

If you're gonna spend the money, you might as well build something thats gonna be FAST.

you want fast and cheap? throw a 302 in a 1st gen RX7. $500 car, 302 from just about anything, built for hella cheap cause everyone and their brother has a 302. Send $1000 to granny's speed shop for their conversion kit, and you basically have a plug and play 12sec car for less than $4k. want to hit 10? slap a supercharger on it and you're still under the 9k mark.

think outside the box, be original, but dont be stupid. Want to go fast, do it right. Dont blow a crapton of money to just keep up.


oh, and you could still drive the RX7 to work every day if you wanted..

You clearly don't know me. I HAVE done my research on the 240. I HAVE found SR20DET engines for $1500 (~$2500 if you want the 250hp S15 version and then theres the RB25 that runs around 4-5k) And $4k for suspension is about right (i should have just labeled it handling) when you consider coilovers, bushings, sways, rims, tires, LSD, and frame supports.


As for getting beaten by an STI, and your gripping about spending 9k. Those cars start at 30k+ while ours are 15k. HALF the price. 9k don't even make up the difference. And if you buy used the difference is even worse as the STIs dont drop as quickly in the first couple of years.

Now i'm not being a proponent of high hp FWD vehicle. I'm just pushing back at your attitude. This TT kit is a neat idea and yet one more thing that will help get Hyundai noticed in the aftermarket. Is it unreasonable for a good majority of us? For sure, but still a nice step esp if the kit is of good quality unlike the alpines kits.

[rckozma]

What im saying is - why would you spend $9k on a twin-turbo kit, just to get beaten like a redheaded stepchild at the strip by an STI or something similar with just a couple bolt-ons.



I don't know if where the analysis on this is coming from? You are talking about a $35,000+ car not including the "bolt-ons" to a maybe $24,000 car including the turbo kit. So you would still have over $10k to tweak the car, still might not get to the STI, but you would be real close for a whole heck of a lot less dough. Just my thoughts.

[Tommy]

tommy you might need to look here
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6jvDg6gtOF8&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VGX1EEvNO1I&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FHCKcWoYy1s
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3EUs1rTBpgo&feature=related

thank you for proving my point. none of those cars are street cars. they're all DRAGSTERS! And they all produce 2x as much power as what this kit does. This twin turbo kit will not get your car anywhere near these speeds. Once again, you might get 12.5 out of this

By the time you get the traction needed, youll have spent 2x as much and have a car that you cant drive anywhere except in a straight line.

This is the point. Products like this dont get us any more support. all it does is prove that yea, there is interest, but no one wants to fork over the money for anything. our cars have a stigma for cheapness, untill someone prodcuces a part that people actually buy, there wont be any reason for mainstream companies to spend any time on us.

the second point is - why would you spend $9k and end up with a car in the 12's when you could spend 9k and end up with a car in the 10's?

[CornbreadXD]

well i know when you reach those types of speeds it makes the car less streetable anyway because most drag strips will require a roll cage and other safety measures when your going that fast in the 1/4 mile

[Fox]

thank you for proving my point. none of those cars are street cars. they're all DRAGSTERS! And they all produce 2x as much power as what this kit does.

There is only 2 of these that are not street drivable. So yes, 9's witha street FWD car IS possible.
They dont make twice the power, im assuming they make about 300hp, they are just much more lighter.
Dont know where you get your facts from, but every of your points have been proven wrong so far.

[Tommy]

for me, its not how fast it is, its $$ to speed ratio.

That kit is stupid expensive, and for what you get, you dont end up that fast.

then the other issue is people like Pete raving about how they're gonna do this, when that broke sob cant even afford to do a 5spd swap which to him was like the greatest thing in the world.

There is only 2 of these that are not street drivable. So yes, 9's witha street FWD car IS possible.
They dont make twice the power, im assuming they make about 300hp, they are just much more lighter.
Dont know where you get your facts from, but every of your points have been proven wrong so far.


no way in hell any of those cars are only pushing 300hp. And youve complelty missed the point. I never said you couldnt have a 9sec fwd car. None of the cars in cornbreads post look like you could drive them anywhere.
hell, the second to last video doesnt even look like it was on a quarter mile track, looks more like a 1/8th.

I havent seen one of my points proven wrong. people just keep posting youtube videos of fwd dragsters, which is compleltly different than what we're talking about.

[Fox]

for me, its not how fast it is, its $$ to speed ratio.
I havent seen one of my points proven wrong. people just keep posting youtube videos of fwd dragsters, which is compleltly different than what we're talking about.

I guess you didn't read this then.



As for getting beaten by an STI, and your gripping about spending 9k. Those cars start at 30k+ while ours are 15k. HALF the price. 9k don't even make up the difference. And if you buy used the difference is even worse as the STIs dont drop as quickly in the first couple of years.

[Tommy]

guess you keep missing it..

$9k in a hyundai = mid 12's
$9k in another car = 10's


The sti was used in comparison. im not saying the sti is a better deal, im saying you're going to spend $9k and end up as fast as a sti with a couple bolt ons.

or you can spend $9k and take those STI's to school.

[Keyan]

all i can see in your posts is "its just a hyundai"


i mean cmon, wtf. if i wanted to i could take a cheap *** car and swap in a gigantic motor and make it run 8's.


but that's not the idea here. it's about the joy of having a car the way THEY want it to be, so why dont you let people spend the money they want to?

[Tommy]

hey if people change their minds about doing something because of something that came from this a$$hole, i feel sorry for them.

all im doing is stating my opinion and enjoying people getting pissed off and making up **** to try to justify a $9k turbo kit that will make their cars kinda fast, that they'll never own.

to me, thats entertainment.

[Silentwolf]

Your the one *****ing and complaining before anyone really said anything. Your the one that keeps throwing up prices, and i proved you wrong about that already and you wont admit it. So STFU.

[PSUsouthpaw]

I can think of many better used for $9k than buying a twin turbo kit for an I4.

Does it have potential to be good? Yes
Does it have potential to reach a widespread audience? Possible but unlikely.
Is anyone on here actually going to buy this? I doubt it, but I'll buy whoever does a case of beer for proving me wrong.

[Tommy]

Your the one *****ing and complaining before anyone really said anything. Your the one that keeps throwing up prices, and i proved you wrong about that already and you wont admit it. So STFU.

aw did i hurt the baby's feelings?

you proved nothing.

[Cypher]

No personal attacks. Consider this the first/final warning.

[Deviant]

So what would be the point of twin turbos anyway? I would rather spend money on one and put the rest of the money into putting the power to the ground. I would never want more than 400hp in my car, but then again I'm not a drag kinda guy I would rather it have ample power and handle very well. 400 is even pushing it, it's almost unnecessary.

EDIT: I do think it is badass however.

[Keyan]

the highest horsepower evo in the world is running twin turbo 1000hp+

[PSUsouthpaw]

the highest horsepower evo in the world is running twin turbo 1000hp+

More importantly, it is not FWD.

[Keyan]

but it is a twin turbo 4 cylinder making serious power.

[PSUsouthpaw]

but it is a twin turbo 4 cylinder making serious power.
And it can get traction, and lots of it.

[mnstrmech]

i will say from a showcar point of view---AWSOME!!!
actually usable----doubt it?

[DJ Hellfire]

So what would be the point of twin turbos anyway?

The guy explained it in the thread. "One turbine is for 2,3 cylinder, and the other is for 1,4. 2,3 header is made short to increase response in lower range, and 1,4 is made longer for high-end response."

So instead of having only high end power, you'll have instand power without having to wait for it to spool. He claims there is no lag at all. So I would guess that it will make power almost all the time like a supercharger, but without robbing engine power to make the power.

As for getting traction, I don't see what would be so hard. You see FWD's with those big *** drag slicks on the track all the time. Obviously you wouldn't need those on the street since hopefully you wouldn't be driving it in a way that would require those tires. I say it's a nice set-up but for $9K, I doubt anyone in the US will be buying it. But over in Korea, I bet those kits will sell like milk and eggs, since Hyundai modding is way more common over their.

[CornbreadXD]

well also im thinking your spending 9k for a RELIABLE system but i don't know if its reliable but that would be the idea behind the hefty cost as well

[DJ Hellfire]

well also im thinking your spending 9k for a RELIABLE system but i don't know if its reliable but that would be the idea behind the hefty cost as well

They claim that the kit is very reliable. Here's the quote: "There are only two twin turbos in Korea, but this is considered much higher in overall quality. Reasoning is because this setup eliminates the problem of an engine failure (due to increased exhaust temp), and head deformation (due to increased water temp)."

[soullesselantra]

go ahead, try to argue with it.

Find me ONE person with an elantra that has $9k they're willing to spend on this setup.

THEN

Take that car to a track and watch it spin like a mofo trying to put that much power to the ground.

if i had 9K i would do it, because i love my car and give a **** less what stuck up asses like you who hate their car think about what i do to my car...

[Pete03GLS]

hey tommy, **** YOU,you dumb son of a *****, i never ****ing said im buying this kit, if i cud afford it then i would, and my 5spd swap idea still lives. so **** you asshole.

[Tommy]

who said i hated my car? you think id wash it weekly, wax it monthly, put a nice stereo in it, fix up the suspension, if i hated my car? hell, i won car of the month, you really think id bother if i hated my car?

i like my car better than you like your car. You dont like your tansmission. you dont like how slow it is. Im perfectly happy with my transmission. Im perfectly happy with how fast it is. If i wanted a fast car, id buy a fast car...

hey tommy, **** YOU,you dumb son of a *****, i never ****ing said im buying this kit, if i cud afford it then i would, and my 5spd swap idea still lives. so **** you asshole.

that is a blatant personal attack and completely uncalled for. If you're gonna act so immature and not respect other peoples opinions and ideas, you just need to go away.

[soullesselantra]

who said i hated my car? you think id wash it weekly, wax it monthly, put a nice stereo in it, fix up the suspension, if i hated my car? hell, i won car of the month, you really think id bother if i hated my car?

i like my car better than you like your car. You dont like your tansmission. you dont like how slow it is. Im perfectly happy with my transmission. Im perfectly happy with how fast it is. If i wanted a fast car, id buy a fast car...



coming from another COTM winner, i like my car better than i like yours, and yes, i would spend the money for that turbo kit...

[Tommy]

good for you. Doesnt change my opinion on it.

[soullesselantra]

exactly! people have different opinions, take em or leave em, whether you can justify it or not, if someone else can, then good for them...why be such a bastard over it?

[Tommy]

because its funny reading the crap people make up to try to justify it. If these guys really think I care, then WOW. As long as ive been on this forum, you'd think someone would realize this.

you wanna blow $9k on an elantra to put it into the 12's, hell yea go for it. Aint my money. Not my car thats gonna get beat by the guy who spent half as much and goes faster.

[Cypher]

hey tommy, **** YOU,you dumb son of a *****, i never ****ing said im buying this kit, if i cud afford it then i would, and my 5spd swap idea still lives. so **** you asshole.

that is a blatant personal attack and completely uncalled for. If you're gonna act so immature and not respect other peoples opinions and ideas, you just need to go away.

I agree. Take a day to cool off. Maybe you'll be more mature about it when you come back.

[soullesselantra]

because its funny reading the crap people make up to try to justify it. If these guys really think I care, then WOW. As long as ive been on this forum, you'd think someone would realize this.

you wanna blow $9k on an elantra to put it into the 12's, hell yea go for it. Aint my money. Not my car thats gonna get beat by the guy who spent half as much and goes faster.

for some people its not about being faster than the other guy, but being able to just go out and enjoy your car...theres more to life than racing every $30K + car with 500000 horsepower in a FAMILY CAR...its all about the experience...yeah, theres faster cars, but do you seriously go out and try to beat every civic, tempo, metro, or fiesta that you come across? if you do...oops

[ricerrx7]

Actually, i'd say that it is called for. Tommy, you're going to blatantly call someone out, insult them, and then act like you're innocent? Saying that he's acting immature and not respecting your opinion? Please. Grow up.

then the other issue is people like Pete raving about how they're gonna do this, when that broke sob cant even afford to do a 5spd swap which to him was like the greatest thing in the world.

[Tommy]

but here's the thing....its not a family sedan daily driver after you put $9k into a twinturbo kit. There's no way in hell you'd drive that every day. hell, its recommended you run 97 octane fuel on the thing. that is NOT daily driver anymore. Its just a drag car. Its too much power for fwd other than to go straight and go fast.

For the record, I dont go out and try to "beat" anyone. Im not a punk 16 year old kid. If i truely wanted to race someone, theres a drag strip 20 miles from here. And no, ive never taken the elantra to a drag strip, and nor do I plan to.

I mean, besides BS bragging rights, whats the point in a 375hp elantra? In the context of drag cars, all you're doing is polishing a turd. Yea its faster than it was, but its still not that fast, and youve killed its usability.

Build it and take it to a show, but building to drag race would be a waste, and forget about it as transportation.

[Cypher]

Alright Kiddies, since we can't seem to present our views in a way that doesn't degrade one another, consider this thread done. NExt time, if you think the idea of something is just stupid. Don't post. Its that simple. Some people mod just to mod and say they are different, if you can't understand the reasoning behind it then good. Its NOT YOUR CAR. Just let it go.