View Full Version : Opinions wanted: Mid-size SUV?
Hey all, I may be in the market for a used Mid-size SUV at the end of the summer. I've been trying to get a good idea of what to look at. I'm personally partial to the 2002-2004 Trailblazer/Envoy, but want some other ideas. This is purely a decision made on looks and luxury features, as the TBlazer/Envoy both have the option of memory seats (The GF and I are 2 completely different sizes, adjustment is a *****). I'm not concerned about fuel economy, and am only looking at the highest trim levels of said vehicles. (TB LTZ and Envoy SLT, not Denali). I'll prolly be looking at list prices around $15000 CDN and below, 150000km and below. I want a black beast, lether interior, wood grain, the works.
hyunelan2
05-01-2008, 05:09 PM
Is towing/power/4wd important?
BobMs_wht2k2
05-01-2008, 05:26 PM
03-05 Suzuki XL-7.
Power is a consideration, but 4wd is a must (canadian winter). I'm really looking for a good looking SUV, so the Suzuki really wouldn't cut it, and I don't think they had upscale options. From a technical standpoint, however, Bob is right on the money. If only it looked less like a fat teenage girl...
BobMs_wht2k2
05-01-2008, 05:47 PM
Ouch. . . that hurts! At leastthe mechanicals can take any abuse you can throw at it. . .looks are a secondary consideration for me.
hyunelan2
05-01-2008, 05:56 PM
I did an autotrader search for stuff by me, close to your specifications and came up with:
A few Trailblazers & Envoys
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo $15K, 36K miles, another 4x4 with 22K miles
2005 Land Rover Freelander $15K, 31K miles
2005 Buick Rainier AWD $15K, 56K miles
A few Chevy Equinoxes
A few Toyota Highlanders (At $15K, these vary from low to high end, depending on year/mileage)
A few Tahoe's
Subaru Forester
Mercury Mountaineer AWD
Chrysler Pacifica
Honda Pilot EX-L $15K, 68K miles
Basically anything you want is out there in your pricerange between 2003 and 2006.
BobMs_wht2k2
05-01-2008, 05:59 PM
Tahoe FTW!!! I'd take one if mileage was not a consideration.
steev-o
05-01-2008, 07:21 PM
not really a fan of the envoy. Loads of plastic and big puffy design. wheels are to smal imo.
freelanders arent worth ****. cant town anything and are just playfull 4x4 in my eyes. id go for a nice highlander or trailblazer.
the buicks are full of luxury stuff too. Escalade?
'Scalade is outta my price range. But that the right idea. I want luxury. Older luxury.
SuperGLS
05-01-2008, 07:40 PM
What about an older 4Runner? I'm sure there should be some with luxury features. Is that big enough (I think so)?
2001VE
05-01-2008, 08:46 PM
I have a Santa Fe with the 3.5 liter V6 and 5 speed automatic.
Rated for 3500 lbs towing; I have pulled close this weight with no problems.
Fuel doesn't matter ? ; calculate the difference after getting real world gas numbers. Santa easily gets 25 mpg mostly highway, Envoy is a decent truck but
I'm sure it won't do as well. Heated seats leather etc is available with ""Hyundai; only real crap is the radio up until 2006. Leg room on the older body style is also below par.
SuperGLS
05-01-2008, 08:56 PM
I don't think the Santa Fes have memory seats though. Right?
2001VE
05-01-2008, 09:04 PM
Yeah right. My wife is almost a foot shorter than I am, power seats are good enough.
We are paying over four dollars per gallon up here; everyone cares about milage if they own a calculator. My 2006 Santa has roughly 65,000miles with only one warranty repair (throttle body control switch).
I only say that mileage is a non-issue because I don't really do long trips, just cruise around town. I don't want another Hyundai. The point is to go a step up, no a lateral step. (sorry to you Hyundai fanboyz... it's still an economy class vehicle).
SuperGLS
05-01-2008, 10:11 PM
A Veracruz would be a definite step up from an Elantra. But, oh wells for that.
And, as a Hyundai fanboy, I'd have to say that I'd rather have a new Hyundai than an old GM product like a Trailblazer. Used is never a step up for me.
Silentwolf
05-01-2008, 10:46 PM
I'm with Super or get an AWD Subaru Outback if your really concerned about winter travel and all you will be doing is cruising around town. Otherwise your just being a show off brat with a big luxury SUV!
I'm with Super or get an AWD Subaru Outback if your really concerned about winter travel and all you will be doing is cruising around town. Otherwise your just being a show off brat with a big luxury SUV!
So? Sometimes it's nice to look fresh.
Silentwolf
05-02-2008, 01:26 AM
Fine then, go ahead and be a dip**** using up more gasoline for selfish means thus further increasing demand and giving the oil companies more reasons to hike prices.
mlumz
05-02-2008, 04:12 AM
1.trailblazers are pos
2. take a look at the 4runner, mit outlander
3. and short trips in an suv is gonna get you terrible mileage
SuperGLS
05-02-2008, 09:11 AM
I think anyone is entitled to buy and drive whatever car they want no matter if they "need" it or not. Let's not be mad at him for wanting to "look fresh."
Silentwolf, you obviously don't know about BALLIN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2JfY-nVaqg
Anyway, Qyn, thoughts on the 4runner?
Keyan
05-02-2008, 09:15 AM
Toyota Highlander Hybrid.
Cheap to maintain, all the features you could ever want including navi and auto climate control, is one of the fastest cars toyota has and is pretty nice looking.
darrelltac
05-02-2008, 09:53 AM
me and my wife decided last year to get another SUV. We found a 2000 GMC Jimmy fully loaded with every option with just 67,000 miles for $7500 on the road - we love it - pulls our camper with no problems - lots of power.
2k2GT
05-02-2008, 09:56 AM
1.trailblazers are pos
2. take a look at the 4runner, mit outlander
3. and short trips in an suv is gonna get you terrible mileage
I agree. Forget about Trailblazers. My brother had a '02 that gave him all sorts of problems and he was not driving that much. He finally got rid of it with only 35k miles for less than $10k.
Silentwolf
05-02-2008, 10:52 AM
Super: :tongue: Ya i do, but i laugh when i see those people in real.
jacob
05-02-2008, 11:46 AM
So? Sometimes it's nice to look fresh.
You're ging to look like a tool in a couple years when gas is $6/gallon and dealers wont take an SUV in on a trade.
Then it'll be people targeting SUV's for vandalism like they do to Hummers and FJ's right now.
http://www.truckblog.com/g/albums/news/hummer_firebomber3.jpg
PSUsouthpaw
05-02-2008, 11:57 AM
You're ging to look like a tool in a couple years when gas is $6/gallon and dealers wont take an SUV in on a trade.
Then it'll be people targeting SUV's for vandalism like they do to Hummers and FJ's right now.
http://www.mindfully.org/Heritage/2003/ELF-SUVs-Covina-CA23aug03.jpg
Dude, Some dealers are already giving jagoff SUV owners the bird at trade in time. I read the Article on LATOC a few days ago and laughed hysterically about it.
hyunelan2
05-02-2008, 12:01 PM
yeah, but you can buy one for a song right now, and possibly for even less coming up. If you don't need to trade in your car every 2 years like some idiots - it could be a good time to buy (like a house).
BobMs_wht2k2
05-02-2008, 12:22 PM
You're ging to look like a tool in a couple years when gas is $6/gallon and dealers wont take an SUV in on a trade.
So now anyone not driving a Prius is a tool? Nice. Love to see our liberal left so open minded :rolleyes:
Listen folks, if he wants an SUV, then let him buy an SUV. I own and drive a 19+' long, 5k lb beast alone. So what? Don't like it, deal with it. It's still a free country (or at least until Jan) so I'll enjoy my right to my freedoms.
jacob
05-02-2008, 12:38 PM
I didn't call him a tool, I said that he'll look like one when it becomes too expensive to drive and nobody will accept one on a trade.
Honestly, anyone can drive what they want but they also better be prepared for the negative comments they're bound to get as it's part of the purchase. I've seen a lot of suburbanites driving around in Hummers, FJ's, Expeditions and Excursions, all of which have less cargo space than a minivan.
hyunelan2
05-02-2008, 12:52 PM
The only thing that I can't stand, is when someone has a 12mpg behemoth, and complains about how much money they spend in gas per month.
Anyone has the right to drive whatever they want, but please, please, please, don't choose a large vehicle and then complain about how much it costs to drive it.
sciphi
05-02-2008, 12:55 PM
I'd say go with an Xterra. At least that doesn't pretend very much to be an oversized car. And there are a few supercharged ones floating around. If you're going to be auctioning off your firstborn for gas might as well put it in something that is capable of handling a mild trail.
SuperGLS
05-02-2008, 12:57 PM
I'm not sure the Xterra will have the memory seats he seems to want. Anyone know?
hyunelan2
05-02-2008, 01:08 PM
Xterra is pretty rough/tough marketed SUV. I went through the interior options on a 2006 on MSN autos - doesn't seem to have many luxury appointments.
Silentwolf
05-02-2008, 01:28 PM
So now anyone not driving a Prius is a tool? Nice. Love to see our liberal left so open minded :rolleyes:
Listen folks, if he wants an SUV, then let him buy an SUV. I own and drive a 19+' long, 5k lb beast alone. So what? Don't like it, deal with it. It's still a free country (or at least until Jan) so I'll enjoy my right to my freedoms.
Yes, but u at least use it when you need to, got the right drive train for mileage, and the right company to get better mileage. You weren't concerned about impressing the other wigger pimps.
And he did ask for opinions
BobMs_wht2k2
05-02-2008, 01:37 PM
I didn't call him a tool, I said that he'll look like one when it becomes too expensive to drive and nobody will accept one on a trade.
Honestly, anyone can drive what they want but they also better be prepared for the negative comments they're bound to get as it's part of the purchase. I've seen a lot of suburbanites driving around in Hummers, FJ's, Expeditions and Excursions, all of which have less cargo space than a minivan.
And how does it feel when someone looks at your HD and goes, "Oh, another POS Hyundai. What an idiot"?
I'm sorry, but the SUV bashing is retarded. For all you know they could have converted the whole vehicle to a veggie oil Diesel and not be using ANY gas/oil. Quit looking like a closed minded idiot with the SUV bashing.
PSUsouthpaw
05-02-2008, 01:47 PM
So now anyone not driving a Prius is a tool? Nice. Love to see our liberal left so open minded :rolleyes:
Listen folks, if he wants an SUV, then let him buy an SUV. I own and drive a 19+' long, 5k lb beast alone. So what? Don't like it, deal with it. It's still a free country (or at least until Jan) so I'll enjoy my right to my freedoms.
I'd say the Prius drivers are just as bad. If we're talking conservation of energy, it takes far less to fix up and keep an older car on the road than to manufacture and transport a new one. Plus there is the battery issue.
I'd say there are some people who legitimately need big trucks and put them to good use.
It is a free country, but "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" is a phrase lacking in American Politics and life for far too long.
Silentwolf, I see your point, and to a degree I agree. Complaining about driving a luxury SUV/car is lame. You do seem to be forgetting that I live in the Great White North, and a 4wd monster actually has a purpose up here. I realize the drawbacks of driving a TBlazer/Envoy/Explorer, but as Bob said, the same can be said about any car choice. I'm not going to drive the SUV like a car, its a different creature.
Super, the 4Runner might be an option, as long as I can find some of the options I want in it. They don't look half bad, but are more utility-minded than what I've looked at so far. I'll do some research.
Highlander, XTerra, Excursion, Santa Fe, Veracruz and Escape are all (admittedly better on gas, sans Excursion... what a POS) out. Not the look/feel I'm going for.
Keep the ideas flowing... even the negativity. I like the opinions of all sides. It'll give me that reality check I need when making my decision. It's not fair to silence the naysayers just to appear right. That being said, bashing sans research is not going to make you look good.
I'm not buying a Prius, folks, no matter how "gangsta" Weeds made it look!
BobMs_wht2k2
05-02-2008, 01:56 PM
Tahoe or Yukon. Durable, should be cheaper than some of the smalelr ones and will likely have all the options you want.
PSUsouthpaw
05-02-2008, 01:56 PM
Silentwolf, I see your point, and to a degree I agree. Complaining about driving a luxury SUV/car is lame. You do seem to be forgetting that I live in the Great White North, and a 4wd monster actually has a purpose up here. I realize the drawbacks of driving a TBlazer/Envoy/Explorer, but as Bob said, the same can be said about any car choice. I'm not going to drive the SUV like a car, its a different creature.
Super, the 4Runner might be an option, as long as I can find some of the options I want in it. They don't look half bad, but are more utility-minded than what I've looked at so far. I'll do some research.
Highlander, XTerra, Excursion, Santa Fe, Veracruz and Escape are all (admittedly better on gas, sans Excursion... what a POS) out. Not the look/feel I'm going for.
Keep the ideas flowing... even the negativity. I like the opinions of all sides. It'll give me that reality check I need when making my decision. It's not fair to silence the naysayers just to appear right. That being said, bashing sans research is not going to make you look good.
I'm not buying a Prius, folks, no matter how "gangsta" Weeds made it look!
Since you live up in snow land, it actually does make sense for you to have one for the winters. Most people down here however, do not have that need.
Thanks Bob, but I think they may actually be too big. I saw a newer 4Runner on my way to work today, looked nice, the GF agreed. I realized that I probably haven't seen one since 2002.
BobMs_wht2k2
05-02-2008, 02:55 PM
I suggest driving a Yukon (personal preference) first. They are not nearly as large feeling as everyone assumes. My wife loves driving the truck, and it's about 20" longer than a Tahoe with a worse wheelbase for parking.
Silentwolf
05-02-2008, 02:58 PM
What about the Acadia, or is it too new?
I would say RX330 n 350 AWD models, but mpg stinks. Otherwise very nice preforming vehicle with appropriate luxury amenties.
hyunelan2
05-02-2008, 03:08 PM
I think the Acadia/Rendezvouz/Outlook is too new to find in his price range. Otherwise, [/thread]
BobMs_wht2k2
05-02-2008, 03:08 PM
What about the Acadia, or is it too new?
I would say RX330 n 350 AWD models, but mpg stinks. Otherwise very nice preforming vehicle with appropriate luxury amenties.
Other than the engines puking at 60-70k. But yeah, great ride other than that little problem. What's $2k between friends IF you can find a junkyard one.
Silentwolf
05-02-2008, 03:10 PM
Other than the engines puking at 60-70k. But yeah, great ride other than that little problem. What's $2k between friends IF you can find a junkyard one.
Havn't heard about that.
hyunelan, I'm confused, you want to close the thread?
BobMs_wht2k2
05-02-2008, 03:59 PM
Havn't heard about that.
Do a search on the toyoduh 3.0L V6 engines. see what you find. We have now had 3 RX's that the customer wanted to trade it in, while it was still at the LExus shop, needing an engine. They were done with yoduh and the fact that their warranty was done at 50K, and even with proper maintenance they sludged up and died.
soullesselantra
05-02-2008, 04:13 PM
03-05 Suzuki XL-7.
+1 cant beat em!
hyunelan2
05-02-2008, 04:13 PM
hyunelan, I'm confused, you want to close the thread?
No, i was saying that if the Acadia (or it's cousins) were in your pricerange, this debate would be over, and thus the end of the thread.
Ah... I see. sorry, was confused... damn being sick!
BTW Super, the 4Runner had memory seats in the 06 model.
mlumz
05-02-2008, 04:41 PM
didn't know that about the lexus rx, because I was gonna recommend one. I've driven a lot of the 330s and 350s and they are great crossover suvs. Also maybe the H3.
2001GLS
05-02-2008, 05:08 PM
I'd go with a Jeep Grand Cherokee that is 3 or 4 years old. Should be able to get a loaded up one with 4WD in that price range.
BobMs_wht2k2
05-02-2008, 05:23 PM
Older used Grand Cherokee's make the early Trailblazers look like a 1991 Toyota corolla (super dependable).
Older used Grand Cherokee's make the early Trailblazers look like a 1991 Toyota corolla (super dependable).
Agreed, the Grand Cherokee hadn't even entered my mind.
BobMs_wht2k2
05-02-2008, 05:33 PM
[Sigh of relief] . . . Good.
hyunelan2
05-02-2008, 05:39 PM
Agreed, the Grand Cherokee hadn't even entered my mind.
Why not? Don't you Canadians like to pull things around with dog sled teams? It would be a good use for it when the transmission craps out.
Lmao... have a cousin with one... he was stranded on the side of the road when the tranny took a dump on a back road around here... I feel the same way about the Ford Explorer.
lcanajoharie
05-02-2008, 06:39 PM
Lmao... have a cousin with one... he was stranded on the side of the road when the tranny took a dump on a back road around here... I feel the same way about the Ford Explorer.
you mean the EXPLODER. the ford exploder. i wouldn't reccomend an older GMC jimmy or chevy blazer either. My parents have killed a couple turn of the century models for no particular reason. they just crapped. I cast my official vote for the yukon. Rugged, easy to work on with parts very cheap and available, and sexy as all heck in black with tinted windows.
BobMs_wht2k2
05-02-2008, 06:47 PM
Yukon Denali FTW! Gorgeous trucks. . . and yes, they are still a TRUCK.
lcanajoharie
05-02-2008, 06:49 PM
Yukon Denali FTW! Gorgeous trucks. . . and yes, they are still a TRUCK.
... yeah with an actual FRAME and everything. Which is rare in a majority of vehicles discussed in this thread.
True... but the Yukon is a beast.
jacob
05-07-2008, 12:11 PM
Not to bring back a thread from the dead but I found this interesting and semi-relevant.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/05/06/frustrated_owners_try_to_unload_their_guzzlers/
The sale of new SUVs and pickup trucks has dropped precipitously in recent months amid soaring gas prices and a weakening economy: SUV sales for the month of April alone fell 32.3 percent from a year earlier and small car sales rose 18.6 percent. This fundamental shift comes against a backdrop of relentless gas increases, and growing concerns over the environment and US oil consumption, according to auto analysts and car dealers.
"The SUV craze was a bubble and now it is bursting," said George Hoffer, an economics professor at Virginia Commonwealth University whose research focuses on the automotive industry. "It's an irrational vehicle. It'll never come back."
With stocks of unwanted new SUVs and pickups piling up at dealerships across the country, automakers are offering unprecedented promotions. Incentives for large SUVs, including cash rebates, topped $4,000 in March, or more than double those offered in March 2002, according to Edmunds.com, which monitors the motor industry.
SuperGLS
05-07-2008, 12:51 PM
Santa Fe and Veracruz sales were up in April, but Tuscon sales were down (as well as Enourage sales). Interesting. Hyundai sales were up 0.4% over last April.
That is exactly why I'm buying now. The SUV would actually serve a purpose for me.
preston_nfs
05-07-2008, 02:06 PM
My dad has the Santa Fe (2006 I think) and its pretty nice. He has over 100k km on it already and its still driving smooth. It's got some decent power and for a standard trans STV it's kinda fun to drive.
If you wasn't so worried about how you look driving what you drive I would suggest an AWD Astro van. Handles snow with ease, Hauls 8 people, tows 5000lbs, and still gets 20+mpg on the highway. But it is deff not an auto for those people looking for status in what they drive. I don't understand driving a jacked up station wagon that is big as a house, but still only fits the same amount of people as an Elantra.
joph09
05-07-2008, 02:47 PM
Power is a consideration, but 4wd is a must (canadian winter)
Silentwolf, I see your point, and to a degree I agree. Complaining about driving a luxury SUV/car is lame. You do seem to be forgetting that I live in the Great White North, and a 4wd monster actually has a purpose up here.
I can tell you drive like a woman because only woman think they need an suv to get through Canadian winters. It's a misconception to think that 4wd will get you through winter and drive over snow and ice, because winter tires are more important and a much bigger factor than 4wd. If you got 4 wheels spining, no grip, you're not going anywhere. Good winter tires plus experience is all you need to get through a Canadian winter even in a fwd econobox. Of course there's the exception where you live rural and your roads aren't plowed frequently or occasionally go to a remote cottage, etc.
Hey I have no problem with trucks/suv's as long as you need them, that's why they're Utility Vehicles. But to use it as a status symbol and just cruise around...pansy. When's the next soccer game mom?
And how does it feel when someone looks at your HD and goes, "Oh, another POS Hyundai. What an idiot"?
I'm sorry, but the SUV bashing is retarded. For all you know they could have converted the whole vehicle to a veggie oil Diesel and not be using ANY gas/oil. Quit looking like a closed minded idiot with the SUV bashing.
And Honda bashing isn't retarded either? Hypocrite? Closed minded idiots are those who can't take criticism.
And veggie oil, maybe good for short term effectiveness but as the demand goes up, more farming land will be needed. More farming land for corn or wheat or whatever, means less natural landscape. Landscape that may be for forests etc, etc, etc. Also if these new "veggie oil farms" can't meet the demand then what? they take over existing farms. Which means food prices would rise why, because less supply. Veggie oil = cash crop.
I agree with above.
its pure lies, im a Canadian myself, we've had rough winters, and i got everywhere i wanted with the elantra. Theres was no "i dont get out tonight, i will get stuck" as long as you have good tires, you'll be alright. After all, the only reason i would get stuck for is the car height, 4wd or not, you would get stuck if you have to, its going to save you from thoses hard "Canadian winters".
BobMs_wht2k2
05-07-2008, 09:36 PM
We've had times in winter where you just didn't leave, period. But I grew up and live rural where the roads getting plowed is an after thought. Trying to plow a vehicle with 6" of ground clearance through 18" of fresh snow coverin 1/2" of ice is a quick way to get stuck. 4wd can come in handy to get out in emergency. If you've never lived outside of town then you have no idear what it's like.
Hey, that woman comment was harsh, you KNOW they can't drive in clear weather anyway... JFWY... I'm also looking at the Chrysler 300 (cue reliability bashing). Not the Hemi, just the 6-cyl. I agree winter tires rule, got Goodyear Nordics on my 'Lantra now. NEVER got stuck in winter.
Silentwolf
05-07-2008, 09:50 PM
Which 6 cyl?? They have a 2.7 and a 3.5. And if your gonna look at a RWD car/vehicle why not give the AWD autos a look.
Check out the V6 Outback.
It was the 3.5. Interior is a little smaller than anticipated... not as much of a fan now. Saw a BEAUTIFUL 2005 Legacy 2.5T sedan on the Hyundai/Subaru lot the other day... dark blue... :drool: Love Subaru! AWD would be nice. The Tblazer is looking like more and more of a pipe dream as gas prices rise. Just paid $1.24/litre (for you americans that's $4.693/gallon). Ouch. As well when I was lookimng around at local lots there was nary a Trailblazer to be seen... Chev/GM dealers say they still don't see many traded in. The Subaru was $22000ish with 80000ish kms (didn't really look at it that hard, GF was tired). Good value? also looking at maybe picking up a limited edition/GT elantra ('05-'07) and selling my VE 2005 (I want leather).
We've had times in winter where you just didn't leave, period. But I grew up and live rural where the roads getting plowed is an after thought. Trying to plow a vehicle with 6" of ground clearance through 18" of fresh snow coverin 1/2" of ice is a quick way to get stuck. 4wd can come in handy to get out in emergency. If you've never lived outside of town then you have no idear what it's like.
I think you cant be more outside of town than i am, ask any quebec'ers here about Ste-sophie...
Here's the link to the Legacy I'm looking at. http://peterborough.subarudealer.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebPageID=4748&WebSiteID=199&OwnerCarID=637393&manufacturerRange=Subaru%20Legacy&PriceRange=&Certified=False&PageNo=1&SortBy=FinalPrice
Thoughts/questions? I went to see it today. It's been on the lot 2 weeks. It's the US spec GT, original purchase from a gray-market Ontario dealer.
Silentwolf
05-12-2008, 08:11 PM
Pretty! As for pricing I don't know how it works up there.
In my haste and idiocy, just realized it takes Premium gas... bummer, it's like 2 bucks a litre up here.
Silentwolf
05-12-2008, 08:40 PM
You need to weigh the increase cost vs MPG. Premium down here is only 20-25cents more than regular. Meaning maybe 2 extra bucks per fill up, but if you can get better mpg with it then it should be fine.
Good point Wolf. I'm also not that enthused by the lack of Leather and sunroof that the Canadian spec GT has. On the plus side, the first Legacy site I found had a style similar to this site! There were small rocks in the intercooler, is that normal? It looks like it was driven on back roads, and some **** rattled loose (screws, etc). The car (luckily) hadn't been properly detailed yet, so I got a good look at it before the dealer got to it with their coat of shine. It most likely will be sold before I actually want to purchase a car, however the dealer did say that the car could not be auctioned because of its gray market status.
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