acceleration pulley upgrade

[lovemylantra]

i jus bought one from kdm and i wanted to know which cables or cable i needed to take off the throttle body in order to install the new pulley. it looks like on the stock TB theres 2 sets of springs on the bolt one being bigger than the other ... if anyone can help me out thatd be spectacular ... the picture i loaded is of the big bore but the pulley on the end is what im looking to install

[RotaMan99]

What is the point of this?

[ricerrx7]

It makes the throttle open faster.

[RotaMan99]

Again, what is the point?

You open the throttle to quick and you loose the flow velocity which kills your throttle responce. I only see this being good to get that feeling of more power with less throttle even though you are making the same..

[lovemylantra]

i asked if anyone knew how to install it ... i didnt ask for anyone to technical ... and the point of the new pulley is it shortens the stroke and it has a quicker response thats the point ... now can someone answer my question or am i gonna here more useless garbage

[Elantra87]

dude i have one to and me and my friends couldnt put it on. first you have to take off your cruise control then put the pully on
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/bpc217/DSCN0247.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/bpc217/DSCN0246.jpg

i got these pics from the guy that sold me my pully


you have to cut this little peg thing shorter or the pully will not slide all the way on
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/Elantra2nr/DSCN0246.jpg

I hope this helps let me know if you get it on

[only1db]

the throttle opens as fast as your foot goes down....i guess you wil also shorten up the pedal as well...

man that is going to be one touchy pedal.

[Keyan]

i have one of these and it doesnt bother me at all.

[lovemylantra]

keyan ... how did you wind up installing it ... and yes those pics do help ... i dont get why that dude rotary has to go negative ... if it was a bad thing to have i dont understand why the big bore has one on it ... let me know if you can help me out keyan

[Elantra87]

keyan ... how did you wind up installing it ... and yes those pics do help ... i dont get why that dude rotary has to go negative ... if it was a bad thing to have i dont understand why the big bore has one on it ... let me know if you can help me out keyan

there is nothing wrong with having this mod done. some people like to be difficult man dont worry about them

[lovemylantra]

oh im not worried about what anyone has to say especially if its negative toward a simple question. the only reason i bought the pulley is cause i cant afford the BBTB yet ... plus that pulley with the full intake, TB mod, and catback i should be pretty niice

[Elantra87]

oh im not worried about what anyone has to say especially if its negative toward a simple question. the only reason i bought the pulley is cause i cant afford the BBTB yet ... plus that pulley with the full intake, TB mod, and catback i should be pretty niice

yeah your right, get it on there! lol
i would have mine on but i dont wanna cut that peg thing that sticks out cause then the cruise control wouldnt work if i wanted to put it back on.
iam thinking about buying a non-cruise control throttle body that doesnt have that peg so it will be a breeze to put on and i will still have my cruise control throttle body

[lovemylantra]

if theres no way i can get it on without having to shave away some of that peg im going to a shop and see what they have to say, cause i need the shop to install the catback anyway so ill find out one way or another and once its done ill post the pics!!!

[Elantra87]

if theres no way i can get it on without having to shave away some of that peg im going to a shop and see what they have to say, cause i need the shop to install the catback anyway so ill find out one way or another and once its done ill post the pics!!!

cool:D

[RotaMan99]

now can someone answer my question or am i gonna here more useless garbage

If you think that technical thinking is garbage then you are another ricer. Yes the TB opens quicker but if you open it up to quick, you will loose throttle responce.

Try flooring the throttle open very quickly and you will hear the engine "hickup" as the velocity drop to nothing.

I know im going to read how GREAT this is and how much improvement there is. I will start to laugh.

i dont get why that dude rotary has to go negative ... if it was a bad thing to have i dont understand why the big bore has one on it

Marketing Hype. The big bore is for larger engines than ours that can handle quicker throttle openings depending on the intake and fuel setup.

[lovemylantra]

no i think the way your thinking is garbage ... if big bore wasnt made for our engines why are they availible? and ive put the gas pedal to the floor and never heard my engine hickup. dont you think system upgrade took all those factors into consideration before making an upgrade? you just sound stupid go be a pesimist somewhere else

If you think that technical thinking is garbage then you are another ricer. Yes the TB opens quicker but if you open it up to quick, you will loose throttle responce.

Try flooring the throttle open very quickly and you will hear the engine "hickup" as the velocity drop to nothing.

I know im going to read how GREAT this is and how much improvement there is. I will start to laugh.



Marketing Hype. The big bore is for larger engines than ours that can handle quicker throttle openings depending on the intake and fuel setup.

[Elantra87]

no i think the way your thinking is garbage ... if big bore wasnt made for our engines why are they availible? and ive put the gas pedal to the floor and never heard my engine hickup. dont you think system upgrade took all those factors into consideration before making an upgrade? you just sound stupid go be a pesimist somewhere else


lol this made me laugh for some reason. Both of you guys have good points though i dont know who to agree with. so i wont lol

[lovemylantra]

i just find it absurd to hear someone say BBTB isnt meant for hyundai elantras ... when they specifically offer them for hyundai elantras lol same thing with the pulley ... im not tryn to be a jerk about the whole thing but rotary you gotta see where im comin from??? ... but anyway i just wanted to know from someone who has it already installed on there car how simple/hard it was to install ... thats it ... i know KEYAN said he has it done with no problems, KEYAN if you can explain what you did briefly that would be much appreciated

lol this made me laugh for some reason. Both of you guys have good points though i dont know who to agree with. so i wont lol

[only1db]

BBTB is a nice option but i would start other places...getting more air in does absolutely nothing if the cams dont lift long enough to suck in more air.

now if your FI then its a different story but yet the same principle applies.

bottom line is that there are other places to spend money then this little mod.

[moonlite5hadow]

no i think the way your thinking is garbage ... if big bore wasnt made for our engines why are they availible?

condoms arent made for our engines but they're still available...

understanding HOW and WHY **** works or doesn't is (or SHOULD be) why u get it or dont. just cause its bigger doesnt mean its better, in the case of a weak 4-banger. if you're just throwing **** on and in your car and engine jsut for kicks only reminds me of the civic SI i saw the other day with a body kit duct-taped on, and my buddy with fake wall-mart tape on hood scoops.

[lovemylantra]

dude your talking about duct taped body kits and condoms lol totally irrelevant ... and why would i waste money on my car that i use everyday just for kicks ?!?!? ... thats just plain ignorant ... i know exactly what im doing with my car and the mods i add to it. the BBTB was just an example not the first mod im interested in. and in this case bigger does mean better hencing " BIG " in big bore throttle body ... more cold air the better especially with the intake and exhaust i have ... thats the only reason i wanted to know how i could install the pulley is cause of these other mods. but since i only seem to get a direct answer from one person i might as well not even post anymore

condoms arent made for our engines but they're still available...

understanding HOW and WHY **** works or doesn't is (or SHOULD be) why u get it or dont. just cause its bigger doesnt mean its better, in the case of a weak 4-banger. if you're just throwing **** on and in your car and engine jsut for kicks only reminds me of the civic SI i saw the other day with a body kit duct-taped on, and my buddy with fake wall-mart tape on hood scoops.

[ricerrx7]

and in this case bigger does mean better hencing " BIG " in big bore throttle body ... more cold air the better especially with the intake and exhaust i have ...

Wrong. Bigger is not better. The stock size is perfectly adequate for our engines. In fact, if you put one on that's too big, you will lose performance. Will it allow more air in? Yes. But you will kill the velocity of the air, meaning that the air will take longer to fill the cylinder. Since there is only a small amount of time that the valves are open, you need the air to be fast in order to get the best performance. When you kill the velocity, you will lose power.
Why do they sell big bore throttle bodies for our cars?
A)People will buy them
B) Some people actually have the supporting mods to justify the use.

[moonlite5hadow]

dude your talking about duct taped body kits and condoms lol totally irrelevant ... and why would i waste money on my car that i use everyday just for kicks ?!?!? ... thats just plain ignorant ... i know exactly what im doing with my car and the mods i add to it. the BBTB was just an example not the first mod im interested in. and in this case bigger does mean better hencing " BIG " in big bore throttle body ... more cold air the better especially with the intake and exhaust i have ... thats the only reason i wanted to know how i could install the pulley is cause of these other mods. but since i only seem to get a direct answer from one person i might as well not even post anymore


PERFECTLY relavent. Condoms are made, but not for our motors. they're still available.

not every BBTB is made for our engines, but they're available and advertised as such


YOU want a BBTB but dont know how/why it works and/or its benefits drawbacks, and said ricer retard didnt take time to research body kits and force-fitted it without seeing if it'd work.

it makes perfect sense, you're just retarded.





I can just see you being the one complaining about rubbing with 20'' rims and a +30 offset with a near 1.5'' drop on eibach springs, or the electronic super charger not working.

















that being said, you wont destroy your engine with a BBTB. i considered it for a few days until i actually researched it. just cause the engine is basically an air pump you wont necessarily get more air with a bigger hole, as explained about 23957862523 times so far. if you want it, get it. its not MY car, its not RicerRX7's car, its not RotaMan's car, its YOUR damn car and YOU mod it the way YOU want, NOT the way WE want.


i just read the END of ricers thread above. BBTB = not a huge improvement without reground cams, exhaust, intake, etc. if you read a few posts above, more air + same size intake valves + valve duration = same amount of air getting into the cylinder under NA conditions. same thing as having a 2.75'' CAI vs a.. ****, a 7'' CAI. all the air u get is what can get through the TB. if you cant follow THAT logic step away from your car. you only get MORE air during the same valve duration if you're FI.



PS we ALL waste money on our cars we use everyday. its called gas. so, i gues we're all ignorant, yes?
to bad we NEED to waste that gas to live life... tough beans i guess.

[Cypher]

No personal attacks.

[Deviant]

No personal attacks.

Can I personally attack myself?

[lovemylantra]

i dont want a bbtb right now like i said i only used that as an example with the pulley so people could try and understand what im saying .. im not at that stage yet with my car ... i dont have a p&p manifold none of that so theres no point in buying a bbtb. I WOULD NEVER be the one to complain let alone install and eletronic supercharger lol or 20 inch rims on an elantra lol especially with the mods ive done cmon i aint a noobie. and your right it is my car but everyone is getting off track ... i asked a simple question about installing a pulley and somehow it always wind up totally off topic. i dont consider gas a waste you might but i dont!!! so back to my original question?!?! anyone know


PERFECTLY relavent. Condoms are made, but not for our motors. they're still available.

not every BBTB is made for our engines, but they're available and advertised as such


YOU want a BBTB but dont know how/why it works and/or its benefits drawbacks, and said ricer retard didnt take time to research body kits and force-fitted it without seeing if it'd work.

it makes perfect sense, you're just retarded.





I can just see you being the one complaining about rubbing with 20'' rims and a +30 offset with a near 1.5'' drop on eibach springs, or the electronic super charger not working.

















that being said, you wont destroy your engine with a BBTB. i considered it for a few days until i actually researched it. just cause the engine is basically an air pump you wont necessarily get more air with a bigger hole, as explained about 23957862523 times so far. if you want it, get it. its not MY car, its not RicerRX7's car, its not RotaMan's car, its YOUR damn car and YOU mod it the way YOU want, NOT the way WE want.


i just read the END of ricers thread above. BBTB = not a huge improvement without reground cams, exhaust, intake, etc. if you read a few posts above, more air + same size intake valves + valve duration = same amount of air getting into the cylinder under NA conditions. same thing as having a 2.75'' CAI vs a.. ****, a 7'' CAI. all the air u get is what can get through the TB. if you cant follow THAT logic step away from your car. you only get MORE air during the same valve duration if you're FI.



PS we ALL waste money on our cars we use everyday. its called gas. so, i gues we're all ignorant, yes?
to bad we NEED to waste that gas to live life... tough beans i guess.

[RotaMan99]

no i think the way your thinking is garbage ... if big bore wasnt made for our engines why are they availible?

Don't put words into my mouth. I never said big bores are not made for ours cars. The pulley on big bores help and work better on larger engines that can take in more air faster than ours while still maintaining velocity.

and ive put the gas pedal to the floor and never heard my engine hickup.
So your engine has zero delay from the second you floor to when it starts to rev up? Wow. whats your secret?

dont you think system upgrade took all those factors into consideration before making an upgrade?

Yes im sure they did along with the marketing factors too. Do you believe everything you read? Its like installing ITBs on our engines without thinking of what you should have done first or if actually having an intake manifold would work better for your situation.

you just sound stupid go be a pesimist somewhere else
Im explaining this from a technical stand point. Your thinking is based on what you read.... who sounds more stupid here?

just find it absurd to hear someone say BBTB isnt meant for hyundai elantras

Quote someone in this thread that said that so i know your not talking about me.

im not tryn to be a jerk about the whole thing but rotary you gotta see where im comin from???

Tny Tiny bit but not really. Its good to know how to install something but its also good to know how this could effect your engine before installing it.

Wrong. Bigger is not better. The stock size is perfectly adequate for our engines. In fact, if you put one on that's too big, you will lose performance. Will it allow more air in? Yes. But you will kill the velocity of the air, meaning that the air will take longer to fill the cylinder. Since there is only a small amount of time that the valves are open, you need the air to be fast in order to get the best performance. When you kill the velocity, you will lose power.
Why do they sell big bore throttle bodies for our cars?
A)People will buy them
B) Some people actually have the supporting mods to justify the use.

Amen :).

It would probubly be more adequate to do a taper port on our TBs instead of using a big bore TB. This would help increase the pressure in the manifold and increase the velocity. Especially on a not heavily modded non turbo engines.

[XtremeGLSguy]

Ok people first, even if you have a weak four banger, a bbtb is still a good upgrade... If you know how to work a throttle. For instance pushing your throttle 50% you will only get 30% power. If you push it 30% percent you get 50% percent power. Basically you cant flood the engine with air, you have to creat a vaccum with your throttle by working it your car will know how to compinsate the fuel to the air. Yes it will only upgrade your performance to a certain degree until you upgrade other things as well, but you will get some power out of it, only if like i said you learn how to work a throttle.

[CornbreadXD]

this was covered before if I remeber, a BBTB will not do anything for us because the intake manifold would have to be ported/polished i think. Something like this came up when carbonman was sending manifolds out to be polished and it was stated that alot of air would rush in but wouldn't be used efficiently. Thats the reason I never bought one ya know a 61mm tb going into a 58mm hole or whatever it is. I guess its just like an exhaust 4 inch won't do anything for you like a 2.25 will.

And i don't know how the accel pulley is to be installed, the use of that was covered before too, it might have been on the old site maybe, but alot of that stuff on the KDM sites are overly hyped and misrepresented or are for heavily modified KDM hyundai/kia tuners modded beyond any in north america

[ricerrx7]

Don't put words into my mouth. I never said big bores are not made for ours cars.


Indirectly, you kind of did. You said that "the big bore is for larger engines than ours", meaning that it's not for our cars.


Marketing Hype. The big bore is for larger engines than ours that can handle quicker throttle openings depending on the intake and fuel setup.

[lovemylantra]

your wrong and you know it and you contradicted yourself ... so im done and you can brake down every letter if you really want lol your still wrong

Indirectly, you kind of did. You said that "the big bore is for larger engines than ours", meaning that it's not for our cars.

[ricerrx7]

your wrong and you know it and you contradicted yourself ... so im done and you can brake down every letter if you really want lol your still wrong

Um, you realize I was agreeing with you, right?
And let me correct your post: "You're wrong, and you know it. You contradicted yourself. So I'm done, and you can break down every letter if you really want. You're still wrong."

[lovemylantra]

i asked 1 simple question ... i dont care what you think of what im doin or why im doin it ... if i cared what anyone else thought i wouldnt even drive a hyundai ... is there someone on this website who can actually answer my question? not go to left field and start talking about something that has nothing to do with what i asked ...

not you ricer ... i know you did ... im talking about rotoman over there

Um, you realize I was agreeing with you, right?
And let me correct your post: "You're wrong, and you know it. You contradicted yourself. So I'm done, and you can break down every letter if you really want. You're still wrong."

[RotaMan99]

Indirectly, you kind of did. You said that "the big bore is for larger engines than ours", meaning that it's not for our cars.


Indirectly? By Far. The the accel pulley will work better on big bore Tb on larger engines. I never said that big bore tbs are not made for our cars.

Ok people first, even if you have a weak four banger, a bbtb is still a good upgrade... If you know how to work a throttle. For instance pushing your throttle 50% you will only get 30% power. If you push it 30% percent you get 50% percent power. Basically you cant flood the engine with air, you have to creat a vaccum with your throttle by working it your car will know how to compinsate the fuel to the air. Yes it will only upgrade your performance to a certain degree until you upgrade other things as well, but you will get some power out of it, only if like i said you learn how to work a throttle.

Its not that your flooding the engine with air. I really wish this could happen. You loose your flow velocity when you open the throttle too quick which reduces the air flow volume and reduces the atomization of fuel.

Why do I feel like I have to repeat my self over and over again. Almost everyone is to obsessed about getting the bling bling on their engine so they have something to talk about and ignores the technical stand point.

[lovemylantra]

wow now i know its official lol im never posting a question about anything on here again lol this dude is talking like he knows me and what im about ... and as for your bling bling statement you can shove it !!!! i would say something alot different but i dont want cypher or any other moderator to warn me again lol so ill let it at that ... and if i ever had the chance to race id prob dust you!!!

Indirectly? By Far. The the accel pulley will work better on big bore Tb on larger engines. I never said that big bore tbs are not made for our cars.



Its not that your flooding the engine with air. I really wish this could happen. You loose your flow velocity when you open the throttle too quick which reduces the air flow volume and reduces the atomization of fuel.

Why do I feel like I have to repeat my self over and over again. Almost everyone is to obsessed about getting the bling bling on their engine so they have something to talk about and ignores the technical stand point.

[CRAZIECRACKER]

stfu and just get it done. you guys are arguin over an elantra!

your gunna dust him in an elantra???? hahaha this **** is hilarious!

[PSUsouthpaw]

As far as that peg goes, I think Bryan (Bcoleman) was able to install his with only minor grinding and bending, while retaining cruise control.

From what he said, the pulley itself was a decent mod that resulted in quicker pedal response.

Otherwise, Guys, why is everyone arguing so viciously in here? We all drive Hyundais. What we lack in aftermarket, performance and whatnot we should make up by having a welcoming community, not one where threads turn into raging arguments about a TB pulley. Maybe we all need to take a step back, look at ourselves and re-approach the boards here with a little more humility and a little less self righteousness. The guy asked a question about how to install a pulley, I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to instigate the pissing contest that resulted. Because once the arguments start, I've noticed few if any of us have the restraint to cool things down rather than escalating it further.

Not trying to be a prick, just throwing out something to think about.

[Cypher]

^couldn't have said it better myself Jared :thumbsup:

[xdforme22]

agreed^

[CRAZIECRACKER]

nice. that statement should be included in the read this first threads.

[tharptroy]

even though it can seem unfriendly, people are just trying to help you out. that pulley you bought is probably one of the worst $50 you've spent....and thats not counting your wasted time trying to install the thing.

[bmxdad]

lovemylantra ... sorry dude, but your not going to get an answer, the mouths have spoken and you have been deemed irrelevant ...

Try some other site ....

[lovemylantra]

finanlly someone with sense ... i thank you southpaw for understanding where im coming ... and i havent been deemed anything so =)

As far as that peg goes, I think Bryan (Bcoleman) was able to install his with only minor grinding and bending, while retaining cruise control.

From what he said, the pulley itself was a decent mod that resulted in quicker pedal response.

Otherwise, Guys, why is everyone arguing so viciously in here? We all drive Hyundais. What we lack in aftermarket, performance and whatnot we should make up by having a welcoming community, not one where threads turn into raging arguments about a TB pulley. Maybe we all need to take a step back, look at ourselves and re-approach the boards here with a little more humility and a little less self righteousness. The guy asked a question about how to install a pulley, I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to instigate the pissing contest that resulted. Because once the arguments start, I've noticed few if any of us have the restraint to cool things down rather than escalating it further.

Not trying to be a prick, just throwing out something to think about.

[RotaMan99]

wow now i know its official lol im never posting a question about anything on here again lol this dude is talking like he knows me and what im about ... and as for your bling bling statement you can shove it !!!! i would say something alot different but i dont want cypher or any other moderator to warn me again lol so ill let it at that ... and if i ever had the chance to race id prob dust you!!!

BAAHHAHAHAHA

I love the race statement. TRUE BORN RICER!! Yes that pulley is BLING BLING!

Racing me with my Elantra, you are probubly right, no doubt about that. Why would I use that though when I got my Rx7 that would leave you in the dust 3 miles back ?

See, unlike you, I look into what actually effects performance of the engine. I think about things such as airflow velocity, how to increase the pressure in the intake system on a non turbo engine (You don't need to have a ram air intake to increase the pressure in the intake system. Did you know that?). OR how to tune an exhaust system so the exhaust pulses work together. Do you think of this? I don't think so.

your gunna dust him in an elantra???? hahaha this **** is hilarious!

I laughed so hard at that comment!!! HAHAHAHHA

Otherwise, Guys, why is everyone arguing so viciously in here? We all drive Hyundais. What we lack in aftermarket, performance and whatnot we should make up by having a welcoming community, not one where threads turn into raging arguments about a TB pulley. Maybe we all need to take a step back, look at ourselves and re-approach the boards here with a little more humility and a little less self righteousness. The guy asked a question about how to install a pulley, I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to instigate the pissing contest that resulted. Because once the arguments start, I've noticed few if any of us have the restraint to cool things down rather than escalating it further.

The point of forums is to find help and LEARN. Which is obveously what the OP can't do if its not something he was thinking of before.

Lovemyelantra. I never wanted to come off like an *** in the beginning but I was trying to tell you why it was not a good idea. You consistantly argued against it and made your self look like a complete ricer.

I am going to quote my self again, I Don't expect you to understand this statement but if you don't, tell me, and I will explain it further.
You loose your flow velocity when you open the throttle too quick which reduces the air flow volume and reduces the atomization of fuel.

[Munky]

Wrong. Bigger is not better. The stock size is perfectly adequate for our engines. In fact, if you put one on that's too big, you will lose performance. Will it allow more air in? Yes. But you will kill the velocity of the air, meaning that the air will take longer to fill the cylinder. Since there is only a small amount of time that the valves are open, you need the air to be fast in order to get the best performance. When you kill the velocity, you will lose power.
Why do they sell big bore throttle bodies for our cars?
A)People will buy them
B) Some people actually have the supporting mods to justify the use.

:bowdown:

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