Jay

[doothedeww]

Does any one know why jay has left this forum?

[tharptroy]

I beleive that there were issues with KORE. jay confronted the issues and became involved in an argument with koredan (i think). blue then stripped him of his moderator status for personally flaming someone, which is against the board rules. jay did not appreciate being punished for what he considered to be protecting other hyundai owners from terrible business ethics.

I wasnt involved personally, and though I am opinionated on the matter, I tried to present it in a non-partisan fashion

[doothedeww]

i think its total bs that jay was punished for sticking up for all the ppl that had problems with kore, i guess the admins on this site haven't heard of free speech. I never saw what jay said but i think that the moderators could of handled this in a more civil manner than just stripping him of moderator status. After all he was one of the most helpful people on this forum.

[tharptroy]

from what I understand, blue and koredan are buddies. doing car stuff in particular with friends just doesnt seem to work out. if you refer a guy to your friend and he's (your friend is) terrible at doing business, you have to alienate someone, either the customer, or the friend. and of course, if you dont support your friend, then he wont be your friend anymore.

Blue is between a rock and a hard place. its probably pretty hard to tell a good friend that he's terrible at operating a business.

[03SilverBullet]

Plz no more of this topic we all know why Jay has left us and I respect why and im sure many others do..This needs to be locked be4 it gets out of hand.

[doothedeww]

well i think jay did the right thing by leaving. i hope all the moderators realize what they did though.

[BlueGT]

Hopefully, this will be the last time I have to say this. The whole deal was not about KORE. It was simply the last stroke for me.

Jay is a knowledgable person and I respect him for that. But we are all adults here and need to handle things professionally, especially moderators. Jay's behavior was not acceptable, IMHO. You all remember Evo Fusion exhaust thread, right? Well, yes, exhaust does not make 20whp. But there was no need to make fun of it (AOL high speed, whatever) and accuse Bradley of lying without any proof. 01silverbullet might have been wrong about Apex springs but there was no need to call him a ricer. There was no need to organize those Show vs Go flames and constantly argue and make fun of Rshack, JEM and others who are into showing their cars instead of racing. That kind of stuff is not acceptable coming from a moderator. I asked him to stop that. It didn't work. As a matter of fact, several individuals (you know who you are, I won't mention any names) actually asked me how come Jay is still a moderator after all those flames he constantly engaged in.

People, instead of accusing me, try to put yourselves into my place and think what you would have done. Believe me, it was a hard decision for me but I felt that it had to be done for the good of the whole board. I sent him a PM politely explaining the reason for my decision and expressed my hope that he would still stay here and help fellow Elantra owners. After all this is what it's all about: helping each other out, not moderating. So I felt like if he was really committed to helping Elantra people, he would stick around and still answer technical questions you guys might have. Instead, he deleted his account and left, acting unprofessionally once again imho.

This thread will not be locked and actually I would like to hear what people have to say. Just please, refrain from personal attacks and name calling. Thank you!

[Kyrol]

To be honest about the entire thing nothing super bad was ever said. If your going to take what one person says to heart and let it hurt your feelings then you need to grow up. No one ever says anything about a flame on HDK and SR well sometimes SR. I don't see why anyone is trying to defend a company that did bad busness. It seems 50% of the people that did busness with them got worked over. I personaly have nothing bad to say about Kore. Cool people as far as I know. Just made some bad busness decsions. Now IMHO none of it was a personal flame. I'm sure jay got tons of pm's thanking him for saying what he did.

One of the major reasons I stoped modding my car was because every company that makes some Hyundai part is at best a joke. Takes 7months to get something when you get it its broken/wrong part/messsed up or you get your money back. I think that and the fact that companys kept trying to take advantage of n00bs into buying $300+ exhaust systems and crap like that. Plus the ****ty customer feed back and just the deception got on his nerves. What he was doing by saying what he did to Kore was no diffrent then what you would do if you left feed back on a seller on ebay that pulled the same **** these companys are doing.

IMHO you messed up by stripping him of mod powers. He was looking out and protecting alot of people from wasting money. I would buy the Kore catback from Jay before I would buy it from Kore after seeing how they have conducted some busness. I know jay's instock means it will ship within 24hours not 24 weeks. It's your site and I know you want to keep this a happy family type board and you have every right to do that. But I think more then half the members will agree that he was looking out for everyones best intrests. May have been harsh but he proved a point. For a company to say an exhaust system makes 20hp. Then since its dyno tested they mark it up like 20 bucks. Then when it dosn't make the power they advertize and you want to return it but there policy says they don't stand behind it so you can't. Don't claim it!!! Everyone knew the dyno was tampered with. Then jay called bull**** along with everyone else. If I had photochop skills I would have done more then AOL topspeed.

I think flame should be anything goes to a point. I see no need for a flame to get locked ever unless its way out of control like violence being wished upon people. I feel for ya jay I would have done the same thing if I was in your shoes. It was a big slap in the face when you prolly saved me and lord knows how many other people from buying stuff that wouldn't work or was just plain retarded. My hat is off to you.

[Elkane7533]

Sure, I am pissed that jay had to leave. The day he left the forum was in my opinion the worst day for ElantraXD.

But it's already done, and i don't think it's ever gonna change. He's still on Elantra GT Club, so if anyone needs him, visit that forum.

I just don't think complaining is going to do much anymore, except causing more heat here... so stop this madness already.

[TBurton]

Freedom of speech still pertains to public websites like this one. If someone wants to personally flame someone else, it's on the moderators or administrators to remove/lock the post or the account. Anything more than that and people just need to shut the **** up and quit crying about their pussy-nerd feelings being hurt. If I think your car is a lame-*** piece of **** it's my right to tell you that. If Blue thinks this post is out of line it's his right to shut it down. Any questions????

[Kyrol]

Sure, I am pissed that jay had to leave. The day he left the forum was in my opinion the worst day for ElantraXD.


He didn't have to leave I'm sure he felt be trayed and just acted. I wouldn't say the worst day but it was a dark day for exd.

I just don't think complaining is going to do much anymore, except causing more heat here... so stop this madness already.

I don't think anyone is complaining they are just a little blown that hes gone. It was always fun to see what he was goign to do next and everything. It's going to hurt us as a comunity by not having him. Elantragtclub isn't well last I checked isn't a web site about performance tech stuff like ares. Its more people that just enjoy the car and stuff not wanting to gut it turbo it and see what happens. That may have changed.

Freedom of speech still pertains to public websites like this one. If someone wants to personally flame someone else, it's on the moderators or administrators to remove/lock the post or the account. Anything more than that and people just need to shut the **** up and quit crying about their pussy-nerd feelings being hurt. If I think your car is a lame-*** piece of **** it's my right to tell you that. If Blue thinks this post is out of line it's his right to shut it down. Any questions????

I agree with what you said but I wouldn't use such colorful words to say it. But I'm not saying jay made the site but he helped out alot with the performance aspect of the car. Hurt feelings or not I would have done the same thing.

[only1db]

my thoughts are this...making fun of SR for coming out with a catback that is making 20 whp is a little rediculous but i dont think that j was trying make fun of them but make the elantra community realize that 20 whp out of a catback is suspect.....and as far as j saying things about company's that didnt do what they said they would do....well.....the site is based in the USA and if he wants to flame sombody for shotty ethics...so be it....somebody had the balls to come out and say something about it.....and look what came from it....it looks like KORE got their act together....and why? because somebody stood up and said " i aint gonna take no mo!" and i agree with him :clap: every now and again...a bad company needs their *** handed to them....no matter who they are....but maybe some good will come of it! J was an intriquet part of EXD and he is sadly missed.

[FordFasteRR]

I've always thought that people are more important than things.

:bowdown: This ones for you Jay! :bowdown:

[2GTS]

As I said before, it wasn't what Jay was saying but the way he went about saying it. He could have told everyone that Kore is no good and the evofusion catback hp claims were inflated without the name calling and bs. Maybe I'm a little more mature but what I saw were a grown men revert back to 5th grade play ground shouting matches. Jay wasn't the only person that was acting like an *** but as a mod he had a responsibility to be more level headed and mature about those kind of situations. And I did not see him being true to that responsibility.

[Kyrol]

As I said before, it wasn't what Jay was saying but the way he went about saying it. He could have told everyone that Kore is no good and the evofusion catback hp claims were inflated without the name calling and bs. Maybe I'm a little more mature but what I saw were a grown men revert back to 5th grade play ground shouting matches. Jay wasn't the only person that was acting like an *** but as a mod he had a responsibility to be more level headed and mature about those kind of situations. And I did not see him being true to that responsibility.

You must not get around to alot of other forums. Everthing he said would be a complament on some of the forums that are out here. This forums is a nice family enviroment. Go to www.clubsi.com and go into si vs all. Most of the noobs are greeted with your moms a whore, god hates you, smash your car into a tree and o your moms a whore. Some of that is posted by mods.

He shouldn't have to be level headed with Kore. The company dosn't even exsist any more. Jay was selling stuff from them at his dealership so I'm sure alot of stuff has happend between them that we don't know about. Sometiems people just need to step back and stop getting there E-feelings hurt. Hell the last thread about kore befor jay left was in the flame section and all the posts but the first one where deleted by bluegt and then the topic was locked. I thought flame section was anything goes. :rolleyes:

[NorthernYankee]

Hell the last thread about kore befor jay left was in the flame section and all the posts but the first one where deleted by bluegt and then the topic was locked. I thought flame section was anything goes. :rolleyes:

But not when it comes to KORE because they are personal friends to Blue. Now I can understand someone wanting to stick up for your friends...**** I would go to hell and back for my friends. But there is always a point when you have to say to your buddy "Dude WTF are you doin?" And as for the guys at KORE they may be really great guys but with REALLY Bad Business Ethics. And that is what Jay was trying to let be known. Maybe not in the best way, but what was done to him was overboard, and IMO he had to leave because he was **** on and I know I would not want to be somewhere where I was treated like that.

:bowdown: As Ford said, this ones for you Jay :bowdown:

--NY

[SWortham]

Sure... KORE had issues, and they have been discussed before. But Jay did go overboard. The whole flame was entirely uncalled for, and BlueGT holds this site at a higher standard than that. I wish it never happened, but what's done is done.

[only1db]

Sure... KORE had issues, and they have been discussed before. But Jay did go overboard. The whole flame was entirely uncalled for, and BlueGT holds this site at a higher standard than that. I wish it never happened, but what's done is done.

nothing is considered overboard if somebody is getting screwed out of money and being lied to about it.

[Guess]

just my 2 cents but seriously what is this helping Jay has left and I highly doubt that will change granted he was a wonderful help to the Elantra world as it is and continues to be with his new formed msg board but seriously you all are going to drive this in to the ground when its done and over with. And by the way if I get flamed on for this post well heres me using my Freedom of Speech " Kiss my *** " that again only goes for anyone who wishs to give me **** for this post. :fiddle:

[2BIT]

All I know is always helped me, his knowledge about Hyundai was without question, and its sad he's gone.

[fujiheavy]

I sent him a PM politely explaining the reason for my decision and expressed my hope that he would still stay here and help fellow Elantra owners. After all this is what it's all about: helping each other out, not moderating. So I felt like if he was really committed to helping Elantra people, he would stick around and still answer technical questions you guys might have. Instead, he deleted his account and left, acting unprofessionally once again imho.


Never recieved any PM.

I am still helping people everyday. I probably get 4-5 calls a day lately from people asking questions from this forum and the GTclub forum. All my technical and performance knowledge can still be found at the ElantraGTclub.com



As I said before, it wasn't what Jay was saying but the way he went about saying it. He could have told everyone that Kore is no good and the evofusion catback hp claims were inflated without the name calling and bs. Maybe I'm a little more mature but what I saw were a grown men revert back to 5th grade play ground shouting matches. Jay wasn't the only person that was acting like an *** but as a mod he had a responsibility to be more level headed and mature about those kind of situations. And I did not see him being true to that responsibility.

If those threads had not been deleted you would realize that I never once called anyone names. That is not my style. I simply stated the truth that some people did not want to hear.

-Jay

[tharptroy]

The man from Ev* F*sion was clearly not acting honestly. I sent him several PMs encouraging him to send me an exhaust at wholesale price so that I could do independant testing. of course, he refused any notion of such a thing. I took the liberty of testing it myself and found that the gains are roughly 1/3 of the advertised gain. sounds like its a bit suspicious to me. I do not feel that people should be allowed to come and claim bogus numbers for their product. I dont think it should be tolerated. I have never been involved with KORE or sharkracing, and that is due entirely to flames posted on this board and maybe HP. I think that this site, as a presumably non-partisan informational site, should at least state general feedback about the companies, so long as its factual. like "Have been waiting 7 months for intake, not responding to emails". this kind of bad feedback would encourage rogue companies with poor business practices to either Clean up, or Close up. I dont think its fair as an informational site to send member's hard earned money to a company without knowing what they're getting into.
Blue, while this is in the off topic section, I would like to propose a vendor feedback section as a very serious site suggestion.
-Troy

[XTRAWLD]

I think many people would appreciate a vendor feedback section, but not a flaming version of it. A simple, yes they are good for this reason, or no because of this reason and that's it. The more people that contribute to the list in saying that their expierience with the company was good or bad will help out other consumers of the Buyer Beware attitude and the bad companies won't be getting as much business as before because the word is getting out about them. And if people need more information as to why that company was good or bad should PM the person that said it in the first place and receive info that way - first hand.

I've given up on the topic of Jay leaving....what's done is done. And everyone can argue about it till we are blue in the face (no pun intended) - still won't change a thing. Jay is welcome back here anytime, and he obviously still cares about this site and members in it or he wouldn't be viewing these posts and posting in threads, and offering the deals to us. You can't take away someones passion. Hopefully, in time, he will be back as a regular member, helping us like he always has.

[SWortham]

I think many people would appreciate a vendor feedback section, but not a flaming version of it. A simple, yes they are good for this reason, or no because of this reason and that's it.


I agree. And good suggestion Troy. ;) I like that idea better than using the flame section to complain about a company. Let's see what other people have to say.

[SuperGLS]

You must not get around to alot of other forums. Everthing he said would be a complament on some of the forums that are out here. This forums is a nice family enviroment. Go to www.clubsi.com and go into si vs all. Most of the noobs are greeted with your moms a whore, god hates you, smash your car into a tree and o your moms a whore. Some of that is posted by mods.
So you want this site to be like that? Being a nice and friendly environment is a bad thing? Trying to welcome people is a bad thing? Should I call your mom a whore, would you enjoy that? How does that make any sense at all? Flame or not, some stuff does not belong on a Elantra enthusiast site, it isn't anything goes. I'd expect all the members to respect the decision of the moderators and move on.


If those threads had not been deleted you would realize that I never once called anyone names. That is not my style.

I don't want to say this, but that's bull****. You addressed Caleb as "Calorie" and other names when you knew it was Caleb. You also suggested that he wasn't actually a different person and it was just Dan using a different name (that could have been the case, I have no idea).

You know that Talgat had asked you to stop acting childish on numerous occasions and you didn't stop. He isn't your father or your boss so you didn't have to listen and you didn't. Talgat is the owner/administrator of the site though, so when in a position of authority, but below him, you should have respected his wishes and done as he had asked. Most people can't seem to grasp that the whole KORE ordeal was just the last thing that happened and it's apparent that Talgat no longer wanted to put up with his antics as he felt they reflected badly on the site as a whole. He never asked you to leave. You left because you were mad that someone took away your power, something that you never thought would happen. That's fine, I respect anyones decision to leave, for whatever reason. You were quite helpful to me and others in various ways, and I believe I addressed my thanks in numerous threads.

I'm happy to see that some members can understand the whole thing from a different point of view and offer more clear headed responses. One person left and it is no reason to cry.

Oh, I suppose I should put it a little disclaimer explaining my relationship with KORE. I don't have one, I never have, and I never will. I met Dan and Dave once at Hyperfest last year, that's all. I never supported them by purchasing their products or suggesting that others buy their products.

I think that is it for now. If anyone wants to comment on my feelings and wants to keep it private, feel free to PM me, I'm always around.

[TBurton]

I flamed KORE back in the day and nobody said a damn thing to me about it. Why? Maybe because it was justified. Or maybe because I'm not a moderator.

I don't want to say this, but that's bull****. You addressed Caleb as "Calorie" and other names when you knew it was Caleb. You also suggested that he wasn't actually a different person and it was just Dan using a different name (that could have been the case, I have no idea).

Damn, homie. We should have hung, castrated and circumcised him before booting him from the site. That's the most evil **** I've ever heard of. Please. Our moderators need to grow a pair. I've got my friend's backs till the day I die, but I've also got enough BALLS to stand up to them when they are needlessly being jackoffs! Take a lesson from me.

[tharptroy]

I'd like to get a few people behind this vendor feedback idea (namely blue). if a company f*cks you, people need to know. conversely if people get their sh*t together and do business properly, then they should get more business due to positive feedback. super, people get into a fluster when money goes missing and products arent shipped. its probably hard to keep a cool head when someone has taken your money, not shipped a product, and they arent responding to you. and the only way to tell people how pissed off you are is in the flame forum, since there's no other place to post about it.

I'd say to have it to where when someone does business with a company, they make a thread in the vendors section thats a poll that says "would you do business with this company again?" and list all the details of their transactions. each order should have one post, and the maker of the post should update it with the status of the order, etc. it will keep extraneous posts to a minimum. I really think that this is the only way to show which companies are bogus and which companies arent.

[fujiheavy]

I now realize how right my decision was. Calling Dan Calorie instead Careb was was my terrible name calling and flaming I guess. Does not get more pathetic than that folks.

Blue, sorry if you don't like the manor in which I call people out on stuff. Simple fact for me is that the way you handled the whole Kore situation was wrong. People should have been able to see who the real Dan Houser was with his swearing and hiding behind the fake Careb name pretending to be someone else. It really summed up the whole Kore/Speedmotion thing perfect for everyone. A flame means anything but personal attacks goes. It is the internet, if people can't handle that then they don't belong on the internet in the first place.

The other thing that pissed me off is this tip toeing around and being politically correct about peoples decisions. If I think a car is ugly I should feel free to say so and not have to listen to moderators complain about how I don't like someones car. If people can't handle the fact I don't like show cars then that is something they need to work on personally. Some people think I am a total idiot for spending thousands to get 15hp. Does it bother me? Not in the least, I am comfortable with the decisions I make and don't worry about if someone may think it is stupid or not.

I guess I am not cut out for a site where everyone is afraid to say what they have on thier mind. And I am not talking about swearing, porn or threats. Those are things I do feel can left out of community forums. I am talking about being able to say "I don't understand show cars" or "Jem's car looks pathetic" or "Why did you decide to buy 18 inch chrome wheels" or "I don't like how those goofy stickers look on your car" or " Kore/Speedmotion sucks and here is the reason why."

There are just too many sensitive people here that can't handle the truth. Imagine what the real world must be like for those people? As said already some people need to grow some balls and not worry about stuff like "Calorie".

Anyhow back to reality where my 2 and 4 year old can handle the truth without running away from it. :)

[only1db]

tru dat! my sig says it all....

[BobMs_wht2k2]

Why can't we all just get along????

This site and Jay and Fordfaster have helped me immensely. I really hate to see anyone, especially someone willing to take chances for the good of the community go. I know that because of Jay, I take extra care to help those that come into my dealership, even if it is someone looking for a shifter knob for a KIA Rio. I can't hook peopl up with the discount that jay did, but I can at least impart a small fraction of the knowledge and willingness to help.

I hate to see this happen, but that's the way life goes. It's not always peaches and cream, sometimes you get rotten fruit and cottage cheese.

I just hope that there are others on this site that will try to help out as much as Jay did. I didn't always agree with his methods or even what he said, but I can still respect him as a person.

Good luck Jay, and thanks for the help.

[SWortham]

You know Jay, I think you would still be here if it wasn't for the fact that you were a moderator. You were held at high expectations as a global mod, I just hope you understand that. You didn't have to leave the site and get pissed off at Blue like this. I don't think burning bridges over something like this is worth it.

[NorthernYankee]

You know Jay, I think you would still be here if it wasn't for the fact that you were a moderator. You were held at high expectations as a global mod, I just hope you understand that. You didn't have to leave the site and get pissed off at Blue like this. I don't think burning bridges over something like this is worth it.

Let me ask you this...would you stay somewhere that you felt you were treated like ****...I know I wouldn't, and I don't think you would either.

--NY

[Rixation]

Let me ask you this...would you stay somewhere that you felt you were treated like ****...I know I wouldn't, and I don't think you would either.

--NY
None of this had anything to do with what Jay said. It has to do with the fact that Jay was a mod AND he said what he said. If he weren't a mod, Talgat wouldn't have cared. No one would've cared. And that's the whole point..when you're a moderator of a forum, you have to set an example...it really is like being a parent. Other people have said much worse things, but because they weren't a mod they slide right off peoples backs.

I look at it this way: If a parent goes around saying "f*ck this, sh*t that" in every sentence, their kids will pick up on it and start swearing too....if a mod goes around saying "Jem's car looks pathetic" (to quote Jay directly), then other people will jump on his bandwagon just because he's a mod, regardless of what they would've thought otherwise. It's sad, but true. That's why moderators have to behave...Jay couldn't understand that, still doesn't understand it from what I've read, and everyone just needs to move on.

[hyunelan2]

http://www.btinternet.com/~tonyrichardson/horse.gif

Can we all just move on please. Whatever the reasons for whatever happend - it's over. Nothing's changing, Jay's not coming back, no-one is going to prove if KORE is right or wrong, or whose opinions are more important. Lets talk about car stuff... as the world turns, these are the days of our lives

[03SilverBullet]

No offense, but being a "mod" on a message board means nothing in the real world, you people take it WAY overboard. Hell I am a mod, and to me it is a hobby on a board where I know what I am doing, not a job/career..gag me. I agree 100% with you.

[highvoltz]

I find this absolutely ridiculous! I can't believe believe people acted like this towards Jay. Jay has been nothing but an enormoous asset to this website/board and to the elantra community. I've always stood behind Jay 100% and will continue to do so. I've met with him multiple times and have absolutely nothing bad to say about him. I want peoples opinons on my car. If its negative, WHO CARES, it's a persons opinon; take it however it suits you best. I definitely agree with Jay and the whole Kore situation, people have the right to know when a person/company are being shady. All I can say is... Way to go.

[03SilverBullet]

I find this absolutely ridiculous! I can't believe believe people acted like this towards Jay. Jay has been nothing but an enormoous asset to this website/board and to the elantra community. I've always stood behind Jay 100% and will continue to do so. I've met with him multiple times and have absolutely nothing bad to say about him. I want peoples opinons on my car. If its negative, WHO CARES, it's a persons opinon; take it however it suits you best. I definitely agree with Jay and the whole Kore situation, people have the right to know when a person/company are being shady. All I can say is... Way to go.I think Jay had a very good reason to leave and I respect him for it..This topic needs to be locked cuz its the same topic we had on the old XD..If Jay wants to come back so let it be if he doesnt then so let it be.

[Keyan]

If Jay wants to come back so let it be if he doesnt the so let it be.
To me, that's like saying "if the man wants to kill himself, let it be, if he doesn't, let it be"
Even though many of us, including Jay himself, believe he is not coming back, I still feel we should give him reasons to and not to come back. Like many have said he still is a very important member of our community, posting or not, and that should be respected.

[WetWilly]

I'd lurked around the old forums for a long time, and even though I don't own an Elantra I enjoy these forums for both the info and the entertainment value. That said,

1) I'm glad this thread exists because I was wondering what had happened to Jay

2) IMHO the root of the problem is:
It has to do with the fact that Jay was a mod AND he said what he said. If he weren't a mod, Talgat wouldn't have cared
I'd always been a bit puzzled as to WHY Jay was made a moderator in the first place. Sure, Jay was ultra helpful and provided lots of info from a dealer perspective and discounts. But ... this is an independent forum and it never seemed appropriate to me that ANY vendor - regardless of how helpful they are or how long they've been a forum member - should be given any type of moderator status on a board like this one. That's independent of the fact that if mods are supposed to be non-opinionated, Jay was definitely a bad choice to be a mod.

Anyways, I wish Jay well at his new home. I'd guess from his new handle he'll be leaving the Elantra community altogether if Santa drops a Forester XT under his Christmas tree. ;)

[03SilverBullet]

This is OUT OF HAND..He is not coming back ppl so DEAL WITH IT....I cant believe this topic is still being talked about..I agree Jay was very important to XD but he was pushed over the edge and thats that.

[Snowman]

Wow,
Jay you got your own thread.. Nice job...

Seriously tho, Jay left on his own accord and that's the way he chose to leave. I am still friends with Jay and have never steered him wrong. I have always been up front with him. I have not had much to say here as I have a full time job and go to school as well at night.

I have spoke with jay and I understand all the issues and his reasons for leaving. As always it's personal choice. Jay left but still comes in and adds some when he feels like it. I think regardless of what happened Everyone shoudl be respected. Jay, BlueGT & everyone else.

I myself have no interest in any dealing's and tried to remain un-biased with everything that every happened with Jay and KORE and Blue.. I consider all these people my friends still and will do whatever they need me to do.

I'm here and anyone that has a issue with me please PM me and I'll talk with you about it. Please don't ask me about KORE or issues with KORE as I have nothing to do with most of it now. I don't have the time to go there very often right now as my schedule does nto permit it. I am still friends with Dan and if he needs my help he will ask.

All that said there is bigger a problem than just Jay leaving. The problem is the lack or respect for anyone. There is no reason to have a Flame forum all it does is promote upset and and the general feeling of rude people. I don't post alot I just say what i have to say.

I myself have done alot with the cars and have been around car's my entire life. In reality I have KIDS older than half the people on this forum and if I ever caught them here talkign the trashy dis-respectful crap that soem people here talk I woudl knock the **** out of them. I taught them to respect people not bash them. Alot of people here need to learn respect for others. The language is not needed and it is counter productive. as a mtter of fact there is alot of language outside the flame area that is not needed along with bad information and negative comments. IF i want my car bright green with neon orange stripe it's my car and I should be respected for my decisions, not told that i'm some stupid *** for doing my car that color. Hell we don't tell you how to dress... Not everyone follows the trend and that is what make everyone differnt!!

In the end regardless of who they are or anythign else alot more respect for people will get everyone farther in life.

Final Note: In regards to why all the hyundai companies are bad it's not they are bad it's the fact they are small becuase there is no demand for anything from them. alto of the time you can't get 10 people to buy 1 item and in reality yu need to buy 1000 at a time so noone wants to put out the money on a car that does not have a huge following. That said some companies have made mistakes and they have learned from it. Others will emerge and will disapear as well. go read the group buys on other boards you will see the same issues with people setting up group buys that have been going on for over a year and no sign of what to come. In the end it is a Hyundai and ther eis not that big of tuning market in the USA even if it is huge in KOREA it's jus tnot happening here.

Jay I support you with your decision and BlueGt I support your decision. Just remember we are all still here and everyone has a differnt opinion..

Dave..

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The irony of of all this is that I was about to let Talget know I did not want to be a Moderator anymore since I was tired of having to sugercoat everything. As you can see not being a moderator here was not a concern for me anymore.

The last straw for me was the deletion of the threads and the lack of communication letting me know I was not going to be a Moderator anymore.