Short Ram intake????????????

[acr57]

Has anyone here used the system offered by http://www.hyundaispeed.com/ (http://www.hyundaispeed.com/elantra-short-ram.php ) if so is it worth it, i might consider buying it.

any opinions would be greatful

thanks

anthony

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[only1db]

its a definetly improvement over the stock intake :D

[evil247]

That is Fordfaster's site. A member on here. It would definately be an improvement over stock.

[sed]

I was the first to have his intake on my car... It definitely is GREAT!!!!

I love the sound and the pickup over the stock intake is AWESOME....

It is 100% worth the money..

do it!

shawn :)

[SkizziK03elan]

is short ram better than Cold Air? or just, a little different?

[only1db]

no matter what you do it will be better then the stock intake box....however a cold air intake will give you a little more hp and torque because of the colder air moving into your engine. ;)

[labmixz]

I'm selling a SRI from my i4 tib, I'm not sure if it would fit a lantra though I could drag myself over to evil247's place and test fit if your interested... pm me for more info.

[FordFasteRR]

:threadjac


hey there... labmixz ...

Thread Thief !!

hehe


I'm selling a SRI from my i4 tib, I'm not sure if it would fit a lantra though I could drag myself over to evil247's place and test fit if your interested... pm me for more info.

[acr57]

Does installing this short ram system void any warrenty on the car, cause of course the car's an 02 ?????????????

[OdessitPashka]

Does installing this short ram system void any warrenty on the car, cause of course the car's an 02 ?????????????
it might. it all depends on your dealer, but on the other hand you can always put your stock intake on, when go to the dealer, it will only take you an hour :)

[labmixz]

:threadjac


hey there... labmixz ...

Thread Thief !!

hehe

eh, didn't mean to hijack, but I have basically the same thing for sale (diff color filter) and cheaper... just thought I'd offer...

[FordFasteRR]

but yours is used right ?

does it come with a bracket that actually fits using stock mounting points like mine does?

[BlueGT]

Short rams give better throttle response so it may seem like the car got lots of more power. But in reality, CAI will provide better gains.

[XDGT03]

Since I am looking for the best set up, I don't want to be spending Hundres of $ on this intake and that intake, just to try to find the best. So in the interim, this is my set up. I took it out last night for a spin and it seems very good. Once I got it good and hot, i went home and opened the hood and found it to be very cool as compared to normal. it was night time and the temps were cooler, so today it is supposed to be 80ish. I will try it again. I also think i will be adding a scoop underneath to actually catch air.

:update
Added scoop. It is attached with the bolt that is used to mount the air deflection panel which is now removed. I manufactured a small bracket that mounts there and to the scoop.

Impressions:
I underhood temperature is MUCH lower. Keep in mind I have hood spacers too. But after 45 minutes of driving in in-town traffic with speeds only up to 50mph and 83 degree temps, I lifted the hood and if felt barely warm on the intake side of the compartment. Of course the header gives off plenty of heat but the intake side was definately MUCH cooler.

I think what I will do next is take a thermometer and measure the under hood temps with and with out the cold air feed.

Well you can't actually see my intake. it is 3" id pvc pipe with 3" filter and coupler/reducer on TB.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/5/web/425000-425999/425321_75_full.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/5/web/425000-425999/425321_80_full.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/5/web/425000-425999/425321_82_full.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/5/web/425000-425999/425321_83_full.jpg

[FordFasteRR]

looks nice :) Have you found any strage things in your engine bay now ? ?

lol

its gonna scoop up all kinds of shizzle !!

[XDGT03]

just the top half of a raccoon head. LOL

It does hang lower than I would like but this is still trial and error.

[sed]

my thoughts:

Thats a good idea in theory, but you should really have the cold air directed either at the Throttle Body or at least the filter element.

You also NEED to screen that bottom scoop in, since its easy to drive over a pile of leaves and you don't want to have to clean your engine all the time

pic:
http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/shawn.jpg

[GTSpeedRacer]

:kick: Or just get a CAI and be done with it. This seems to me to be a bit bass ackwards way of doing it.

[Keegaroosky717]

AAAGGHHHH! What the hell is that!? Like GTS said, just go with a CAI instead. It will look and most likely perform better. My bad, not trying to be rude, if it works for you then keep doing your thing. :)

[XDGT03]

I already posted my thoughts on the CAI vs SRI on the old site but here is the jist.

SRI is better

1. less parasitic friction loss from air traveling through the long CAI tube.
2. Less hassle with water issues
3. 3" tube size vs 2.5 for CAI (unless you get the 3" which requires cutting or bending the inner fender support)
4. better throttle response

The only drawback to a SRI is that it takes in hot underhood air. If that problem is solved then an SRI is without question the best option. With this set up, you "bring" in cool air instead of the CAI "sucking" in cool air, and couple that with the hood spacers which allow the hot air to escape. This is ghetto rigged right now, I understand that. However, this is experimental. So far the experiment is proving everything I have assumed.

Also, the dryer vent tubing that I am using may not look pretty, but it doesn't retain heat like plastic or metal tubing would, tho I'm not sure that will matter much.

I have been thinking about having aluminum tubing welded and bent to replace the flexible stuff if this works out like anticipated.

Please keep the debate alive. Tho knock it off about the "looks" of it. This is an exercise to develop every ounce of hp from the best possible intake set up.

[Keegaroosky717]

Good points, Ok i see where you're coming from. I just never saw anything like that before, kinda caught me off guard! Keep us posted on how it works out for you

[05TidalWave]

The SRI is going to give you about 3HP Gain while a CAI will give you 5. Unless you are in desperate need of power, the SRI is a cleaner look and almost equal on power gains. ANd as stated above, throttle response... Definitive positive.

[hyunelan2]

I don't know remember the source is, but I thought with a SRI, a loss of torque was noted on the Dyno. Although you may get 3 more HP out of it, losing ANY torque makes this an 'un-good' mod.

[FordFasteRR]

I actually like this idea.

If I could get something like this that is more concealed that looks a little more OEM then I would go with it.

here is my logic:

1. The air filter is easier to get to when its up in the engine bay.
2. I don't have to take apart the lower mud-guard to remove the filter for maintenance.
3. There is little to no chance of flooding the engine like this since the duct will not be under vacume (only partial pressure due to movement of the car itself ) but its not directly coupled to the air filter itself.

WOOT !! :)


The only drawback about this vs the CAI is that the CAI gives you 5 ft.lb more of torque.

[DAILLESTWUN]

The SRI is going to give you about 3HP Gain while a CAI will give you 5. Unless you are in desperate need of power, the SRI is a cleaner look and almost equal on power gains. ANd as stated above, throttle response... Definitive positive.


As you were. The SRI and CAI give the same HP. The only difference is that the CAI gives a bit more torque... ;)

[tricked03gls]

why is the cai/sri always a damn issue?! just get a freaking cold air intae and be done with it there is a few nice companys making them for the elantra, BSE, SHARK RACING, TEAM SR, INJEN (its a tibby one but works) go for cold air

[ricerrx7]

As you were. The SRI and CAI give the same HP. The only difference is that the CAI gives a bit more torque... ;)

Were the dyno runs that proved this done with the hood open or closed?

[korai9989]

that is creative using a flexible dry-like hose, but you need to have it come out facing backwards in the empty space in front of the left front tire. there is usually a stock turbo type thing in there, just pull it out, you won't ever use it again with short rams or cold air intakes. if you go to the second page of this thread:

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11796

you will see a setup of my short ram intake with a heat shield i made. i plan to run a hose like what you got, but it'll go to that empty space i described (keeps alot of unnecessary things and excess moisture out of there)

raccoon head? holy ****, haha

[FordFasteRR]

Were the dyno runs that proved this done with the hood open or closed?


since the car is not moving, it really doesn't matter how you test either intake.. if anything.. the SRI will have a benefit with the hood open as it will run cooler than with the hood closed where it would show an even lower HP output.......

[05TidalWave]

Been doing A LOT of research on this.... So far every old person I have talked to claims the SRI will only suck in hot5 air and lower power all around. From EVERY person I have talked with who deals with imports I hear SRI is good, but not as good as a CAI. As far as why go SRI over CAI when the CAI is better - $$$ an SRI will cost very little. THe accord CAI will work cheap but a lot of us dont feel comfortable cutting holes in **** we pay for. I will cut for length, but no holes because I'm a F-ck up.

[Estopatitiana]

if anyone is concerned about the cai creating restriction when the air is flowing then why not polish the inside of it to a luster(im not sure how) then you wont really have any problems....in theory

[eLantrabumb]

you guys are confusing... just do this like i did... i have had both a CAI and the plain SRI before, and i must say that this mod is like a melding of the two... i love it...
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3030

[Vampyrate]

that looks very interesting... and i assume that it sounds like any other intake... very interesting and kinda tempting for mo to try as well.

[pjc6281]

you guys are confusing... just do this like i did... i have had both a CAI and the plain SRI before, and i must say that this mod is like a melding of the two... i love it...
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3030

I know you will be taking in Colder air with that setup, but the filter element is still in the engine bay. Plus the torque i think comes from the longer metal plumbing going down further away from the IM. Kinda like a long straw... Now if the straw had a small hole in it half way down (Like ur intake) but then continued to the bottom, the sucking force will be a bit weaker...just my take on it

none the less, You have a great and safe setup, so on the side of safety from hydrolocking...your all good.

[ricerrx7]

since the car is not moving, it really doesn't matter how you test either intake.. if anything.. the SRI will have a benefit with the hood open as it will run cooler than with the hood closed where it would show an even lower HP output.......

And that's exactly why I asked. If they were both tested with the hood closed, then I will trust the comparison because that's the most realistic. If the tests were done with the hood open, then it's going to unfairly benefit the SRI and not give a fair comparison. That's why I asked.

[05TidalWave]

I took apart my stock intake today and the "stock cai" - the plastic tubes down the sides to direct airflow were CRAZY muddy.... no black, all brown I did go rallying with my buddies and there WRX's and F-150s, with the car at 500 miles but Im at 15000 miles now! WTF? Is the Elantra not meant to mud or was I a jacksass?

[pjc6281]

I took apart my stock intake today and the "stock cai" - the plastic tubes down the sides to direct airflow were CRAZY muddy.... no black, all brown I did go rallying with my buddies and there WRX's and F-150s, with the car at 500 miles but Im at 15000 miles now! WTF? Is the Elantra not meant to mud or was I a jacksass?

rallying or offroading??? I would say neither :)

Were you driving through mud, I would say our car would be ment for the pavement, you were driving with people who had all wheel drive. I would keep it outta the mud but thats just me

[ba_feitl]

you guys are confusing... just do this like i did... i have had both a CAI and the plain SRI before, and i must say that this mod is like a melding of the two... i love it...
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3030


Where pray tell does the red pipe go ? Down to the foglight or just hanging down in the fender ?

Brad

[05TidalWave]

We raced the tank trails on base and then through the mud and a grand finale was ebrake pulling through 200 yds of mud at 60+mph... Atleast it was fun.

How hard is it to put in the AEM ByPass Valve? I have ghetto rigged SRi, but Im thinking CAI for a little more of a gain.... Once you pop.... You cant stop!! (til I have a 300hp XD2...)

[mtlelantra]

The bypass needs to be the same diameter as the CAI piping. Then you just hack out a section and slip it on like a coupler. A few members have been able to get the bypass to fit down by the battery and use it instead of the coupler... but the higher up it is, the safer.

[eLantrabumb]

Where pray tell does the red pipe go ? Down to the foglight or just hanging down in the fender ?

Brad

it goes into the fender where the stock airbox used to be.

[jay cam]

I had a short RAM installed last week and love the sound. However, the intake does get a bit hot under the hood so I tried to cool it down by putting extra piping. Nice idea with the scoop. I'll see what I can do to put more piping to cool things down.

[mtlelantra]

Like I said in the other thread, if you're resonator is still hooked up, that tube in front of the battery is where the stock intake gets the air from, so you're just recirculating warm underhood air...
Actually, if you look at your picture you'll see that triangular opening under the fusebox where the stock airbox plugged into... that and the tube in front of the battery both plug into the resonator. There's no actual "outside" air flow.

[DAILLESTWUN]

Just buy a heatshield..

[Captain Fuzzy]

when i get my SRi im gonna run a extra hose from the fog light hole to the filter with of course a nce mesh screen over it

[jay cam]

New upgrade to my air flow. It took a while though due to the narrow slit on the right side of the radiator. But eventually got it through and now the air flow is coming in nice and cool.
Check out the photos, let me know what ya think???
Also question on the resonator, how do you remove it and if you do remove it, is there better air flow to the SRI???

[robs02elantra]

two nuts on two studs at the top of the resenator holding it to the sidewall in the engine bay. Pretty small, like 8 or 9 mm I think.

[jay cam]

So getting rid of the resenator will improve air flow??????

[fifthgear]

See, now I am getting confused. Put a picture of the part you are trying to discuss for us.

[robs02elantra]

it's the big box at the bottom in front of the drivers wheel, behind the (if you still have it) wheel well guard.

And it may increase air flow. Put it this way, it's not going to make a noticiable difference, but it will allow some more air to get to the filter.

[fifthgear]

LOL are we talking about the black plastic box that the air filter was sitting in/attached to OR the extra "piping" that is left after you remove the stock air box that is sitting under the battery?

[KeWLKaT]

dude, there's ANOTHER big black box sitting in the fenderwell that the piping is attached to, that's what we're talking about ;)

[fifthgear]

Yeah, I know the box you mean. I kinda just left mine still in lol. Is there any real reason to take it out?

[robs02elantra]

well, as much as it could be called PIPING. It's a big box below the battery, the hardest piece to remove because of the tight spot behind the headlight. In fact, if you take the headlight out, it takes a lot less time to get the resonator off.

Anyway...that's the resonator box.

Sorry Felix, didn't see that you answered it already.

[fifthgear]

Yeah I know what you guys are refering to... I never really removed the tubing/box when I did my SRI install. I figured I could have, but it looked tricky... much use in leaving or removing it? ^^^ I'll probably take a look at it and remove it tonight after I change the oil, but I didn't even really bother with it at first. You gotta remove the battery to get at it or?

[KeWLKaT]

just remove the headlight and the fenderliner (black plastic)

it makes heat come out from the fenderliner, better for cooler temps in the bay ---> cooler intake temps from your shot intake

[fifthgear]

You gotta remove the headlight to remove that resonator?

[metalfetish]

not necessarily, but it's a hell of a lot easier if you do.

[KeWLKaT]

^^^

what he said