..............

im pretty sure your cars faster than mine. just was wondering how much
just for fun


eventually i'll make it to the track after all the tuning is 100% done and then you'll know :) HEHE

Good to know you're not backing out on the extra juice :)

A car lenth is alot of time difference.

I think you might be getting that mixed up with 'A little difference in time can be alot of difference in car lengths'!

When you are doing 100kph (60mph) plus, and you are only a car length behind, that time difference is very little!

Just thought I would clarify that!

update:

I noticed from day 1 that the bypass valve actuator arm would touch the fuel rail when the car is idling...

i took a super close look today and i found that the actuator arm was starting to dig a little hole into the fuel rail...

It would be easy to fix this problem by simply removing the actuator arm and then grinding it down a little bit just on the tip where it was touching the rail.. however, I did not want to dissassemble the bypass bracket ..

Instead, I used a little 10mm x 10mm square of silicone from an old intake coupler I had and epoxied it to the fuel rail itself..

now the actuator arm simply bumps into the silicone..

I'll have some pics up another day when I have time to take them :)

Isn't it eventually going to grind into the sillicone too? I say fix it, so you won't have to think about it again. ever.

:)

If it kept on grinding........


wow.

Alpine is gonna have problems if they sold this kit to other not-as-technical people. They would have had their mechanic install it and then the engine would blow up a couple months down the road.
sigh.

If it kept on grinding........


wow.

Alpine is gonna have problems if they sold this kit to other not-as-technical people. They would have had their mechanic install it and then the engine would blow up a couple months down the road.
sigh.

this sort of thing is nonsense, easy to fix issues that will creep up with any custom kit ... luckily I caught it fast.

:) And the silicone wont rub through because the angle at which the bracket touches it doesnot produce a " rub " ... instead, the silicone is about 5 mm thick so now the arm just rests on it instead of slightly grinding it..

Still, I'm very disappointed in this kit.
It's having problems producing #s that you want, and it's having problems operating.

You're troubleshooting this supercharger. You have to admit that. And after you get everything fixed, and you alert alpine, they will (if they're a smart company) continue to sell this kit, with the modifications you recommend. And you know what? Whoever orders this next will not have to wait 3+ months. And they will have to pay the same price you did.

I'm just saying I'm very VERY disappointed in alpine. They might have great customer service, and treat you like a god for buying their kit....but they're gonna have to do something major to get back in the good light in my book.

.............

here is a picture of the silicone i epoxied onto the fuel rail ...

http://nitrousworld.com/images/alpine_blower/P1010081.JPG

ok this is ****ing stupid.

how can you be upset with a kit that you have absolutely no reference on.

You have never seen this kit, never touched it. You didn't install it, you haven't seen the car run.

What problems is he having running the car? it runs fine. OF course there will be issues to be worked out on a PROTOTYPE kit. This is not a production kit, it was fabricated by Alpine for Ford.... He didn't go to pepboys and buy some honda turbo kit.

Maybe i don't have a right to talk, but i installed the freakin thing at least

shawn

No reference on, what do you call this thread????? I am with Keyan. We don't all have to like what Alpine have put out, and quite frankly, if that's the standard of the kit, prototype or not, you should be getting at least a bit of a discount, or, the kit at cost price, just for the parts. Companies usually give huge discounts for a prototype or guinea pig car.

All he is saying is what we are thinking. Why would we buy the kit off Alpine in it's current state. So what if you installed it, that dosen't make you god of all superchargers. We all read the thread and we all have our opinions on the kit, people are just expressing it.

ugh, noone else would even consider buying this kit on this board anyway.

whatever, everyone is intitled to their opinions.

sorry

shawn

ugh, noone else would even consider buying this kit on this board anyway.



You're wrong, if I had the $3grand I would buy it. I just don't have that nuch moola for the car. Right now the truck is sucking up my mod money, but that's what I bought it for.

Once the truck is done I would definately consider a supercharger. I like the instant torque gains of a supercharger over the turbo lag.

........

Once the truck is done I would definately consider a supercharger. I like the instant torque gains of a supercharger over the turbo lag.


i dont want to discourage anyone from buyin the blower kit ... however, the instant torque is easily overpowered by massive power after 4000 rpms with just about any turbo kit above stage 1 ( 170 whp, low boost type ) ..

with 1 bar of boost , a turbo kit makes a beta 2 have 250 whp... now that is POWER and you will destroy any sc beta2 unless there is a bottle hidden somewhere.. hhe

bench racing... :)

yes if you had 3k, if you this. if you that.

I'm not going to argue over this in Fords thread. sorry steve.

shawn :)

Naturally, new products will have some bugs. I expected Steve's blower would have some issues, which there were/are. I also would think Alpine would correct them once they found them, or heard about them.

I wait patiently to see what comes up because I also plan on getting one.

I do have the money for the supercharger and parts now, but I refuse to buy it until it's perfected. There's no way in hell, no offense to ford or anyone, that I would pay as much as he did for that kit delivered to him the way it was. I simply don't have the mechanical skills or patience to go through what he did. I understand it was a proto-type, but they should be doing anything and everthing to make ford happy. He's the FIRST owner of this kit on an elantra. So, where is the most info that people will actually consider gonna come from about how fun/PITA it is? From ford, not the company. And its sounds like he's having fun. But I can tell, though I may be wrong, he's dissapointed with his investment. I know I want a supercharger, no question. I found Alpines site long before I found this site when shopping for stuff for my car. But I was not familiar with them, even though their site stated it had a *bolt-on* superchager for our elantra. That is why I joined this community, because I like to be informed. Now I see Alpine is a fairly reputable company, and I would feel confident investing in a supercharger from them, when they have it perfected. This post isn't to flame anyone, so please take no offense, I'm just stating my opinion.

I just wanted to put this here for historical reasons... :)

Feb 26 2005 Dyno:

http://nitrousworld.com/images/alpine_blower/2005_02_dyno_SAE.JPG

5psi??? isnt it suppose to be like 8 psi?

173whp, not bad.

What was done to get those gains?

173whp, not bad.

What was done to get those gains?
gains? That's the same as he dyno'd after he fixed the slipping belt and switched the injectors......

Ford, do you think the unichip will prevent or compensate for the ECU killing your power over time?


and what do you think the guys at the dealership will think of the SC when you go in for the ECU reflash.... LOL

I imagine any warranty you had left will be voided on the spot....

not that you care at this point.....

It's a new dyno that he did this morning and gained 12hp.....

So close!!!
Give that car a nice kick and get it to 180! :)

It's a new dyno that he did this morning and gained 12hp.....

go back and look at the old dyno..... he dyno'd at 173 the last time too. both runs on that sheet were done today. The 161 was before the ECU reset, and the 173 was after...... exactly the same as the last time.....

...but when does the 173HP drop back down to 161....?

I see. Well he should still intall the unichip and get the belts tighter!

I hate to post whore your topic ford, but I did notice something and I have a question about it.

You have the NGK spark plug wires.
Now, in the N/A forum, sammy posted about them not doing as well at the stockers..?? (correct me if i'm wrong, electronics arent my strong suit) (topic found here: http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6237 )
Now, you also have that MSD-II ignition...well, since this S/C was built around a stock engine, would there any basis in saying that the S/C might perform better with the stock ignition system?

Please clear this up for me, like I said I'm not very good when it comes to electronics and I hope I make a good point (if any)

Ford didnt test, so you could be right.

I hate to post whore your topic ford, but I did notice something and I have a question about it.

You have the NGK spark plug wires.
Now, in the N/A forum, sammy posted about them not doing as well at the stockers..?? (correct me if i'm wrong, electronics arent my strong suit) (topic found here: http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6237 )
Now, you also have that MSD-II ignition...well, since this S/C was built around a stock engine, would there any basis in saying that the S/C might perform better with the stock ignition system?

Please clear this up for me, like I said I'm not very good when it comes to electronics and I hope I make a good point (if any)


even if i use wires that have slightly more resistance than stock, the MSD box will send so much energy into the plugs that it will outperform ANY oem ignition wires...

:)

Ford -

Nice to see you finally got the supercharger kit on thurr.

As for lasting a long time, you have nothing to worry about as long as your A/F are stable and your inlet temps are reasonable.

Supercharging is actually very easy on the internals of the engine and your not dealing with heat soak issues like you would with a turbo.

You have just scratched the surface though with the Eaton blower.

Just take a short trip around the internet and you'll find some impressive numbers being pushed out by this blower or simular sized units.

173hp@5-6psi is pretty good.

Now for the real upgrades....

For a new pulley contact ASP pullies. They make custom pullies for any Eaton supercharger kit. That includes all the Jackson Kits for Hondas and the Ford Focus.

If you go on Eaton's web site you'll see the sweet spot for this blower is around 10-12psi, no 5-6psi. Alpine just set it at a safe level for people that tend to bolt-on and forget it.

For the tweaker in all of us, there's WAY more to be had.

You run that blower right around 12psi with some Alky/Water cooling from Aquamist or Snow Performance and you'll really see that kit shine.

We haven't even gotten into porting the blower manifold or blower housing yet. Also find a nice header with some larger primaries than you would normally use for N/A use. Once you open up the exhaust you'll loose boost, but you'll have about the same HP. But the exhaust will not longer stop you from making power. Im sure you already know most of this.

All Im saying is, if you can do it safely then crank it up!

You should see 200+hp at the wheels, stock block no problem.

Check out Matt's page. He owns a Focus but all he's done is bolt on a JRSC kit, larger injectors, custom chip, free-flow exhaust and some minor bolt-ons. He's banging out over 200whp from his Zetec engine which has a poorer flowing cylinder head and softer camshafts than the Beta does, plus its rod and piston package aren't the strongest in the world either, but he's been driving it like that for several years now.


Links you should get to know well -

http://www.snowperformance.net/ - Water Injection

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/ - De Facto Water Injection Company

http://www.theoldone.com - Best Eaton Housing Porting available

http://www.aspracing.com/ - Custom Pulleys, reasonable pricing


Porting the blower housing, cranking the boost and adding water injection makes a ton of power with these small superchargers.

Have fun, too bad I want to compete otherwise I'd love to build a supercharged car.

Sounds interesting...


you shouldn't have posted that, you're gonna make him do it !

haha :)

well, i am not in a hurry to get a smaller pulley yet...

take a look at what happens when you do the most famous blower mod ..


hahaha


http://www.theoldone.com/articles/damaged-blower/index.html

http://www.theoldone.com/articles/damaged-blower/damaged_rotor.jpg


OUCH ! I don't want my shiny new $ 3000 + 2000 (in extra stuff) supercharger to look like that in just a few months... no thanks !

The Water/Meth injection system sounds like it would be a good addition at WOT, although I'm not sure Ford would like to be the first to do this one.

ford, you outta join the endyn forum.

I've been there for a while now, lots of good info.

I remember reading that article...lol.

just spinning the blower faster isnt always the best idea.

Ooops, my bad, wrong thread. :hand:

So, what are the news on this Ford?

Any successful results with that first mod?



There is another thread on that.

Eaton SC's are notorious for running hot.

Personally I think running an alchohol or water cooler is pretty lame; I want everyday driveability. I don't want to worry about refilling some holding tank to go out for a drive.

Eaton SC's are notorious for running hot.

Personally I think running an alchohol or water cooler is pretty lame; I want everyday driveability. I don't want to worry about refilling some holding tank to go out for a drive.


I agree.

isn't that part of the idea behind using the 5th injector, but with fuel... extra fuel and some cooling?

Eaton SC's are notorious for running hot.

Personally I think running an alchohol or water cooler is pretty lame; I want everyday driveability. I don't want to worry about refilling some holding tank to go out for a drive.
From what the GK guys have done with the alky injection you really only need to refill once every 2 months. How hard is it to pop the hood every couple fill ups at the gas station to check the resivoir? You should be looking under the hood of an aftermarket boosted car regularly anyway. Lazy bastards.

isn't that part of the idea behind using the 5th injector, but with fuel... extra fuel and some cooling?

Methanol provides roughly 5-7 times the cooling effect of gasoline.

Like Nitrous, you don't HAVE to use the meth/water injection all the time.

From what the GK guys have done with the alky injection you really only need to refill once every 2 months. How hard is it to pop the hood every couple fill ups at the gas station to check the resivoir? You should be looking under the hood of an aftermarket boosted car regularly anyway. Lazy bastards.

Why? If you do it correct in the first place it should be just as reliable as a factory boosted vehicle; Unless you go to the extremes. For that matter you should be checking ANY car regularly.

I concured with everything up until the 'lazy bastards.' ;) I'm not lazy, I just expect things to work. Perhaps a resivoir fill light?

Another thing to consider is a temperature sensor on the SC itself. :)

I can't remember if it's TC aka NextGen or Ripps alky kit, but one of them does have a low level indicator. I'm with you on expecting things to work but any time you start heavily modding a car there is going to be extra maintenance to go along with the fun.

This weekend I replaced the supercharger belt to the shorter one sent by alpine...

the tensioner has at least 1/4 inch more room than with the old belt however...

the problem with the belt wearing out on the side is still happening, after just 5 days of driving, the wear mark is already clearly visible.. So in the bright morning sun, I took a super close look at the entire belt to find any possible interference or mis-alignmnet..

I found the problem.


The upper pulley positions the belt too close to the air conditioner clutch assembly.. The AC clutch assembly has an off-set plate that is riveted on ... the sections of the plate that are farthest to the outside are the ones that appear to contact the SC Belt.

So, I'm going to call Alpine today and request that they send me a modified SC bracket with a re-located upper pulley ... It needs to move 1/4 inch toward the front of the engine to clear the AC clutch pulley AND to remain clear of any interference with the sc belt-routing.. :)

I'll keep everyone posted.

You mean you kept your AC!? Decadent westerners! JFWY man. You should be getting paid as a consultant by Alpine on this deal Ford. Or at least sponsored, I mean sheesh!

I spoke to Alpine..

I suggested 2 possible solutions to this problem..

#1. new SC bracket with relocated pulleys.
#2. washers and longer bolts for the a/c compressor to move it backwards 1/4 inch...

it turns out that they used to have this same problem with the beta1 SC kits... And they had an AC compressor spacer KIT...

So, they are gonna look for this kit and then hopefully ship it to me with a NEW sc belt to replace the 2nd one that was damaged..

:) WISH ME LUCK !!!!!!!!!


.... Ok, just got off the phone again..

They have the AC spacer KIT and they are shipping that to me along with a NEW SC belt and 1 new IM stud (that broke off because of the vibration from not having the manifold bracket installed)...

the reason the manifold bracket is not installed is because it interfered with the ac compressor so it would not fit...

John convinced me to fabricate a steel plate to extend over an inch or so to clear the AC and then attach the original bracket to that plate...

He said that the only thing the bracket does is dampen vibrations, its not really ment as a support bracket...

I'll give that a try after I get all of the replacement parts in !!

:)


Alpine is GOOD.

People keep *****in about all the BS you're having to go thru with the Alpine SC, but just from reading all of your replies, it seems to me that Alpine is doing one hell of a good job with their Product Support and Custumer Service. This is the first production kit for the Beta 2, so of course there will be issues!

Keep up the good work, Steve. In the end, I believe you'll be left with a very fine product and a Supercharger that works very well. Keep the updates coming!

Regards,
Axel

PS: Damn, it's hard to type with just my left hand.

well, hopefully everything will be fixed soon.. :)

i think the missing manifold bolt is affecting the boost.. i think i'm leaking some boost again... lol

_________________________
UPDATE:

I just got all of the parts from alpine.. WOW ! that was fast :)

they air mailed it to me ! LOL

SWEET :)

Good thing Alpine is ironing out the problems quickly.

yeah customer service is a good thing!

good luck with everything!

ok...

here are some pics of the dissassembly process....

I will get back to it in tomorrow in the AM.......

enjoy !


http://nitrousworld.com/images/alpine_blower/ac_spacer_kit/p1010094.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/alpine_blower/ac_spacer_kit/p1010095.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/alpine_blower/ac_spacer_kit/p1010096.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/alpine_blower/ac_spacer_kit/p1010097.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/alpine_blower/ac_spacer_kit/p1010098.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/alpine_blower/ac_spacer_kit/p1010099.jpg

Don't they make grade 8 studs? I would prefer those. However, the weak point would be the threads in the head, which is aluminum.

the new stud that alpine sent me is made of steel.. (I dont know what grade though)...

still, good enough for FREE :)

Why were you missing a stud btw???

Why were you missing a stud btw???


I broke it off during re-tensioning.. but apparently it was already super weak...

anyway... update on this... Job is finished... took 8 hours or so...

but the belt is clear of the ac compressor now... :)

I also got the chance to use some silicone sealant on the IM gasket... no more boost leaks ever !!!!!!! YAY !

I drove around the block real quick... car runs great...

tested AC. .. perfect ...

So far so good :) LOL

Not to wander off topic here but: New belt from Alpine+new bracket for AC= zero dollars.....Roasting the tires in first, second, and third gear with the AC on....=priceless! Sounds like fun, I'm jealous all over again

are you getting more boost now?

When are you gonna install damn unichip man???

^ thats my question :confused:

I tried searching and looking through the thread after the dyno but didn't find it, so forgive me if this question's been asked and answered:

Ford, what do you estimate the HP/torque at the crank? :confused:

Cheers.

crank hp should be 15-20% above SAE whp ..

my SAE whp is 173 ..
in that case...

15% = 198.95 bhp
20% = 207.60 bhp

:eek: :bowdown: damn! I want an SC!!!!

crank hp should be 15-20% above SAE whp ..

my SAE whp is 173 ..
in that case...

15% = 198.95 bhp
20% = 207.60 bhp


considering the conversion rates ..

a stock xd is rated at 135 bhp and dyno 115 SAE whp ..

that means:

15% = 115 WHP = 132 BHP
20% = 115 WHP = 144 BHP

so the way I see it, we are more in the 15% drivetrain loss..

so, the overall gain of the SC on my car vs stock is:

173 - 115 = 58 WHP

58 WHP + 15% = 66.7 BHP

i'm not sure if the last part is right or not.. lol

On my dyno run, I have a 25% loss because I have the auto. 112 at the wheels. Pumbaa had 127 at the wheels before he got the ported intake.

he got 127 because he had cai and headers + exhaust

so there was a 12 whp difference right there. :) ... assuming a 115 whp stock basline.. but you can say its roughly between 115 to 120 bone stock for a 5spd xd...

UPDATE !

Well, the saga of the Alpine Supercharger has finally ended for me...

As of today 04-30-05, I have complete removed the SC and all remnants of it from my car.

It has been sold to an NT.com member from Canada ... I was very happy with the performance gains of the SC, but I want more power so I will be getting a turbo kit soon ...

I wanted to thank everyone who read through this thread with me and helped to make it so awesomely huge !!!

Thanks - FF.

54 pages and you end up selling it... bastard! JK man

When are you getting alpine turbo kit? You better get over 200whp with it!!!

And so retires the longest thread in EXD history!!!!

I'm shocked that you sold it.

hopefully he will get the turbo soon then a engine on Ebay do some internals and put out 350hp by the end of summer

That would be hot.

Good luck FF

Ford WTF!? I mean thats a lot of trouble to go through just to sell it when its finished isn't it? Whatever makes you the happiest is best, but I wouldn't go to the track for a few months there are probably about three people who you beat with the SC looking for a rematch.

I'm a little dissapointed to see the Supercharger go, but I know what you mean about wanting more power. Nothing wrong with that! Hell, if I could afford it, I'd be doing the same damn thing, so more power to ya!!!

I'm anxiously awaiting your Turbo setup. This whole thing just goes to proove the worth of the Beta II motor. Sure, it's a little lame in stock trim, and the ECU is the devil incarnate, but you've thrown damn near every bolt-on, Nitrous, and Forced Induction at this thing and it's still running strong. Good luck with everything, Steve...I'll be following your progress!

Regards,
Axel

it is kind of a shame that you didnt get some 1/4 mile times with it...oh well

i can tell you all that for sure it was in the mid to high 14's..

Sorry about no time slips :(

but, with the turbo, i think that high 13's should be possible, if not very low 14's.

:)

I still have some suspension gremlins to figure out, I have a very loud c lacking noise coming from my passenger side front suspension that I have been unable to isolate, much less eliminate.

...

That was Shawn in the passenger seat silly! ^^

I thought you guys might enjoy some pictures of the SC in its last minutes within my possesion... I will most likely ship it out tomorrow or saturday depending on when the payment clears my bank account.


http://nitrousworld.com/images/SC_packaged_05/p1010050.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/SC_packaged_05/p1010051.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/SC_packaged_05/p1010052.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/SC_packaged_05/p1010053.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/SC_packaged_05/p1010054.jpg

http://nitrousworld.com/images/SC_packaged_05/p1010056.jpg

who bought the kit from you?

who bought the kit from you?


A member from NT.com who lives in canada.

so their not even from or site

so their not even from or site

I posted it for sale on this forum first.

Nobody wanted to buy it from me so too bad.

???

It is the only known working beta2 alpine supercharger in the entire US Continent.

The other 2 kits that were produced in tandem with mine were shipped over-seas so nobody knows who got it or in what cars they were installed.

Alpine to this date has not yet manufactured another kit like it.

I posted it for sale on this forum first.

Nobody wanted to buy it from me so too bad.

???

It is the only known working beta2 alpine supercharger in the entire US Continent.

The other 2 kits that were produced in tandem with mine were shipped over-seas so nobody knows who got it or in what cars they were installed.

Alpine to this date has not yet manufactured another kit like it.I was just surprised no one here wanted to buy it.

They still sale them over at Hp.com. I am thinking about getting one. http://shop.hyundaiperformance.com/shop/cat.php?c=45

What kind of hp gains am I looking at?

they still offer them, but I have not heard of them actually making another kit and actually shipping it out.

UPDATE:
I have just purchased the same blower that was on Ford's car and will be recieving it in a few days...
it's going back in an xd

geez...if you are going to do that, or even post another word about it, I suggest opening up another thread. This one is massive.

edit: did you get a good deal on it? I think that it's been on sale for a little while now (unless it's been through four or five hands since then...who knows).

i figured same item same topic....it went from ford to an nt.com member to me...

Woo hoo we xders have regained our precious holy grail! Remember With Great Power comes Great Responsibility! So make sure it stays in your car!

mods feel free to move this to its own thread.....

well... its in....and its running...smooth....
No cruise control ripped it out...
my cousin did the install...
he had to:
Fab a throttle cable bracket (from a civic nonetheless) to s/c ( instructions show a s/c unit with a much smaller throttle body mount thus being able to use cruise control)
bend and re-route brake booster line
use voltmeter to try and hookup unichip(supplied instructions were WAY OFF)...working...
alpine's instructions need to be re-examined and rewritten fo our cars...

he's done many forced induction installs and was able to figure out a lot of the install by himself...

before anyone says anything about there not being a air filter or intake tubing.... I know am in the process of fabbing up a tube to go from throttle body to original airbox.... may rip it out altogether but want to stay stock look....
http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/SC1.JPG
http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/SC12.JPG
http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/SC8.JPG
http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/SC9.JPG
http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/SC10.JPG
http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/SC11.JPG

I also had rotora ss brake lines put in...
going to get ebc greenstuff and ebc sport rotors put on when they arrive...
going in when I get the rotors:
prestige aps 996 lcd remote start...
35% tint...
also have apex-i I- Display coming in....
i- display (http://www.optionsauto.com/prodinfo.asp?number=APX-407-A920)

nice,

except for the fact that your car is a craptomatic :(

dont rag on craptomatics...turbo on an automatic that can handle the power is beneficial... (holds the boost).....anyway... you drive a manual in the NYC area everyday in traffic and then come and tell me that automatics are crap...hehe...
three letters...DSG...is going to be in my next car...

lol MONTREAL traffic is worse

i have an upgraded clutch (heavy on the foot) and do 45 minutes of traffic back and forth every day :D

but yeah i wish i had an atx


just for the traffic

lol


:)

is there an aftermarket headers under that heat sheild??
or stock headers with that bigass cat??

its the stock manifold for sure

any plan to change it out for an aftermarket headers??
it's my understanding that good set of headers will lead to further gains from s/c...

no plan to change headers as of yet... I got this s/c because I wanted linear power output... not max power...if I wanted max power I would've gone with turbo...in hte future maybe headers but I doubt it...

ummm ok.
it would be higher linear power output but ok. and i agree. s/c on a small engine has its limits. even so, it must be fun to drive s/c xd. i'm so jealous!

Actually, the automatic does better with the S/C setup than the manual for some reason. It can adapt to the extra power and not destroy itself, but it always is a good idea to add the external cooler and cooler filter.

cooler added as seen in first pic...just have to add boost gauge....

Any plans to get rid of that air box and get a sri or a cai with the s/c or u leaving it a sleeper??

before anyone says anything about there not being a air filter or intake tubing.... I know am in the process of fabbing up a tube to go from throttle body to original airbox.... may rip it out altogether but want to stay stock look....


i'd say he's going for stock look. ;)

Looks good so far.

what happened to the 3 inch elbow that I originally sold to the GK guy ?

DId he send that to you with the kit ?

yeah.... its there... but I'm trying to connect it to the factory airbox....it ends up being right on top of the inlet for the airbox.... will porb use the create an intake pieces from pepboys to make an intake...or pvc it....right now gotta worry about the damn idler pulley squeak at idle which gets worse when turning steering wheel....

very nice dude, im thinking about saving up and purchasing a s/c for the car ;-) mine is an automatic as well

There needs to be an aftermarket wastegate for theses goddamn things, though I know they are not designed to create huge boost, a little more than 8 psi would be nice once in a while. Yeah the use of a manual dual stage boost controller set at 8psi and 12psi...but that damn wastegate thing.

Oh and since we never got one from Ford, can you get some sound clips with that thing boosting at various throttle levels please?

seriously, i second that

third.

:)

and fourth :)

i was wondering has anyone tried a SC or TC with a nitrous kit? i cant seem to find a more appropriate thread than this one.

one step at a time buddy...

You should consider adding a filter on the cooler line. I have this on mine:
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3265

This is in addition to the cooler in front of the A/C condenser.

i was wondering has anyone tried a SC or TC with a nitrous kit? i cant seem to find a more appropriate thread than this one.


well, this would work fine. Theoretically, nitrous will work with any power adder ... You just have to have an engine that can handle the power...

but with an autofragile, i don't suggest it unless its built-up at more than the cost of the entire car in most cases.. lol

boost gauge in... took it for a drive... says 5psi....maxed out....idles at about 14in Hg... which is fine with me...still trying to figure out squeaking.....alpine says it may be dust cover on one of the pulleys....dmdicks suggested loosening belt (made it worse)...

other news... called optauto.com... apexi I-display on backorder (apexi is closed this week).... not going to "push it" until I get that to monitor my temps and other tidbits...

ps...nylon boost tubing sux....

so how bout them sound clips???

UPDATE.... seemed like belt was slipping under full throttle...boost gauge registered a drop in boost when tranny downshifted under wide open.... so I went ahead and retightened belt.... took it out for a drive afterward.... 7PSI SUSTAINED BOOST at almost full throttle... (damn thick floormats) sounds a whole hell of a lot meaner now too... which reminds that I have to record some clips for you guys.... lol

Sound Clips Would Be Nice

and now that worthless w/o pics smilie needs a brother with "this thread is worthless without sound clips"

vamp..you heard what my car sounds like so HAHHAHA

I wanna see this car in person soooo bad....hopefully i can make it to one of these long island meets

sounds clips mang

So any Dyno or Track Quarter miles yet?
Also how is your fuel mileage? And what kind of fuel do you require (93octane)?

THe only reason I haven't jumped on yet, is to see what th003g's results are in the end.....I've been itchin' to get one for a while. Cost is a bit steep, but for the automatic it is a viable option..

93 octane... 91 recommended...
depending on time in boost.... get between 18-20mpg in 100% stop and go 4 mile commute
or 25+ in 75% highway mix....
working on sound/vid clips (damn mobile phone formats...)
no track or 1/4 mile times yet... don't want to kill tranny... (auto)

OMG--- 3 hours of reading this thread- my eyes hurt.

I cant beleive that this particular SC has been bought and sold between 3 different peopel.

1) if i had the money at this point i think i'd go the turbo route, although the "ease" of installation of the SC ( and i use those quotes loosely) is appealing

2) Since the SC doesnt seem to offer quite the same HP as the Turbo's do it would be nice to see a price drop on the SC's. Id definitely do it if the price for a complete kit was closer to 2000 than 3000. That is ofcourse assuming the funds were there.

i thought about going turbo but when I bought this the entry level kit wasnt out yet so a head spacer drove me away....
s/c lets me keep my stock cats and exaust
turbo would definaley be a hell of a lot of power for the auto to handle....

you have to pay to play...(no offense)those complaining about costs of these kits (turbo and S/C) aren't thinking about what is required in addition to these kits.... (tranny upgrades, ignition upgrades, brake upgrades etc....) i've spent close to if not more than $1000+ in addition to the used kit which I got for 2300
breakdown:
tranny cooler, fluid, ignition wires, plugs ~$200
Brake lines, rotors and pads (which have yet to arrive) $400+
boost gauge ($50) and Apexi I-display (which has yet to arrive) $320
nextgen rear motor mount $125 (used)
other random crap taking up the rest....
not even including a proper installation which should take upwards of 6 or more hrs depending on complexity of modifications needed to rig up because instructions were incomplete...

in addition turbo would require... new exaust, oxygen sensor relocation....
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vids are up in members profile section
i'm gonna need new struts and tires soon too... crap

Tom, I pm'd you about the supercharger

mind you, the late model 2003 xd's with the cvvt head DO NOT HAVE the cvvt solenoid as pictured above...
Sorry to go back 2 years but I missed this part of the thread. My car was shipped to NY from LA (thats what the dealership told me) and its a late model 03 GT sedan that I bought with 30 miles on it in the summer of 2004 and it does have the CVVT solenoid.. Here ya go..
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b62/Margaret_Catherine/HPIM0244.jpg

Sorry to go back 2 years but I missed this part of the thread. My car was shipped to NY from LA (thats what the dealership told me) and its a late model 03 GT sedan that I bought with 30 miles on it in the summer of 2004 and it does have the CVVT solenoid.. Here ya go..
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b62/Margaret_Catherine/HPIM0244.jpg


WOW !!!!!!


awesome find !!

Now, besides what the dealer told you, can you be sure that its an 03 based on vin # and other markings on the car ?

my car was built in 02, but it was sold as an 03 model... non cvvt of course.

its very possible that hyundai ran out of the non-cvvt motors and was forced to build a few cvvt 03's just to get them out of the factory ... you got lucky with that one !

...that.... or

the car has been in an accident and they put in a new engine, thus screwing you

...that.... or

the car has been in an accident and they put in a new engine, thus screwing you


I doubt it.


they would have to swap the entire harness and ecu to make it work, + the guage cluster is different on the 04's ...

what do you say ?

gauge cluster....? he has the 03 cluster as far as i know, his car has a xd chassis also...

um....it is possible...because i have a late 03 model and the head is a CVVT head but no wiring...so i would believe that it is feasible...


damn it man...where are the clips??

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101 clips are here....

...that.... or

the car has been in an accident and they put in a new engine, thus screwing you
Um no.

Oh and ford the car is a 2003.

is your gauge cluster the same?

is your gauge cluster the same?
My engine is the same engine as the 04-06 elantra, nothing is different.

hmmm its kind of wierd....

very wierd actually

hmmm its kind of wierd....

very wierd actually
No its not because alot of the 03 elantras in cali were like mine.

yeah but frankly you are the FIRST EVER car ive ever seen like this....

yeah the first release of the cvvt engines were in cali...on late model 03's

kewlo...if you go back to the archives it will be in there

ahhh cool... never knew about that. good to know i guess :)

yeah, I wasn't around during the old forum so I'm a bit late on those things :)

i've been around the block a couple of times....

CVVT is only on the car for emission control,that and you get a extra whopping 3 hp out of it.It's not like you can tell anyways

yeah the first release of the cvvt engines were in cali...on late model 03's

kewlo...if you go back to the archives it will be in there
ans thats what I have.. A late model 03 ;)

editttttttttttt

th003g,
did you get the unichip installed too. I've been reading through this thread but no definitive answer. (sorry if it has been answered before) If so, how has your a/f ratio been and such?

OMG i can't believe i just spent the last three hours sitting here reading this post with no smoke or bio break to help me decide on turbo or s/c. best part of it is this has been one of the best reads i have had in a long time. I actually forgot this post started 5 years ago. anyways i think its great how to the s/c ended back up in elantraxd again.

its been proven that you can get more out of a turbo then you can a S/C espeically on our motors

plus the only person who is making a kit is NGM and they are EXPENSIVE!!!


btw HOLY REVIVAL BATMAN!

Hey guys this Shovel_it...Just got word that Elantra fans are talking about Super-Charging and Turbo....Well my machine is setting there still waiting for the Mod...I had talk years back with FORDFASTER. about his Alpine Supercharger...by the way FORD sold his Elantra. Look guys if yu want a fast car start with a fast car. But, going back to the mod...I will try to find out about NGM. I didn't like doing business with Alpine (A##holes)

I was thinking S/C might be the way to go cause of the minor gain with minor work to be had. i like the turbo cause the massive increase but i am not sure i want to go through that much work for too much hp...

Its all about how much you like your car or not :P

If you dont have the time/money to turbo/sc your XD, just save up and get a already turbo'ed car..

Im eventually gonna turbo my elantra, unless something bad happens to it...just cause itll be something different..and hush some bad mouthers of hyundai :p

http://www.jattus.com/Performance/home.html

If I were looking to go forced induction this is the only option I would consider.

what kinda of gain would i bee looking at with a stock XD2 if i installed a cheap turbo?

You could possibly get the same power from a cheaper turbo as a more expensive one but power is not the issue with "cheap" turbo's. You get what you pay for and this is usually very true with turbo's. You might get some good power from a cheap turbo but how long will it last? Who knows. You also have to know your stuff pretty good to piece together a turbo kit. It's a lot easier to get a kit where all the work has been done for you and all you have to is basically bolt it on and get a tune.

what kinda of gain would i bee looking at with a stock XD2 if i installed a cheap turbo?

depends on how many psi you go for, 7 psi and a good tune will net you around 170hp

if what i have researched is right that about a 45-50 hp gain right?

It can vary, if you wanna drop a bunch of money into it you can get 100+hp...

But yeah if you put a cheaper turbo kit together youd be looking at 40-50hp min. at low boost. And also give the car a decent amount of torque which it lacks stock =(

What's ye old saying? Cheap, Fast, Reliable. You can build a cheap turbo system and your car may be fast but it won't be reliable or you can build a Fast and Reliable turbocharged car, but it won't be cheap. You can't have all three... ;)

What's ye old saying? Cheap, Fast, Reliable. You can build a cheap turbo system and your car may be fast but it won't be reliable or you can build a Fast and Reliable turbocharged car, but it won't be cheap. You can't have all three... ;)

Or you can have a cheap, reliable car - but it won't be fast. See also, Hyundai Elantra.

lmao... I want to have a some what affordable turbo on my car yes... but i am going to do it right so i don't lose what i have.

What kind of budget are you thinking about with the turbo?

at the moment i don't have anything i can budget into the turbo... but i know i am not going to want to pay 4g for it though lol