Girls: Read this !

[FordFasteRR]

http://www.local10.com/news/3830634/detail.html


Gun-Toting Woman Scares Off Robber
Woman Shoots Tire On Getaway Vehicle

POSTED: 7:04 pm EDT October 18, 2004
UPDATED: 9:31 am EDT October 19, 2004
PEMBROKE PINES, Fla. -- Pembroke Pines police said a would-be robber tangled with the wrong woman Monday.

Investigators gather at the apartment complex where the woman opened fire.
Investigators said Felecia Moss, 34, was followed when she drove her Lexus into her gated community. When she arrived at her home, a man who was driving a blue Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera pulled up and approached Moss as she got out of her car.

Moss said the man, who had a gun, demanded money from her. But when she showed him her empty wallet, he grabbed a cellular phone from her purse.

Moss then pulled out a 9mm Heckler and Koch semi-automatic handgun. The man scuffled with Moss, trying to get the gun. Without being able to get the gun, the man took off running.

Moss fired three shots at the man, and fearing he would return for his getaway car, she shot the tire out on the vehicle.

Police said the man ran into Rainbow Lakes Development where he carjacked Shirley Michaan's silver 2004 Toyota Sienna Van.

Police said the van is still missing. It has the Florida license F47LCN.

The Ciera the man was driving was carjacked in Miramar on Oct. 11.

The man is described as in his early-20s, around 5 feet 9 inches tall, weighing around 150 pounds, with a thin build, dark skin and a mustache. He was wearing a white T-shirt, dark-colored jean shorts, white sneakers and a black skull cap. He had no accent, police said.

Anyone with information about this incident or the stolen van is asked to call the Pembroke Pines Police Department at (954) 431-2200 or CrimeStoppers at (954) 493-TIPS.

[felixr]

you know, she could go to jail for shooting him. or at the very least he could sue her for shooting at him. she shouldnt have shot at him or anything else. she shoulda made sure she shot and killed him from the front. cause what she did was illegal. her life was obviously not in danger after he ran from her. she should have shot him while he was struggling with her otherwise she has broken the law for taking the gun out in public thus making it a non concealed weapon, and shooting a gun in public . . you can only take your concealed weapon out when you intend to shoot and or kill someone who is about to kill you or who is raping someone else. . not to scare people and certainly not to just show you have a gun -as in a robbery or hijacking. now obviously since she was being attacked i guess P.P. police wont press charges . just my wisdom for the day . . discuss it amongst yourselves . . come back to me with another question at any time . . lol

[hyunelan2]

It's still a gray area. The law states you are allowed to use deadly force if you believe your life or well-being is in danger. It also states you are allowed to use deadly force to protect the life or well-being of others. (i.e. if someone is getting beat with a bat, you have the legal right to cap the bat-swinging-mofo in defense of the victim).

Granted, to avoid most legal problems, you shouldn't shoot someone in the back (I thought that as soon as I read the statement) but a lawyer could get her off saying she was trying to protect the well being of others, as he was armed and willing to commit a felony.

[FordFasteRR]

........ Granted, to avoid most legal problems, you shouldn't shoot someone in the back (I thought that as soon as I read the statement) but a lawyer could get her off saying she was trying to protect the well being of others, as he was armed and willing to commit a felony.


well, i'm just glad she got the chance to defend herself... if some of these anti-gun people had their way, she could have been dead/raped or much worse off.. like those poor bastards in england and australia.... with no useful way to defend themselve against thugs that are well armed...

[only1db]

yeah once your are clear of danger...you are no longer defending yourself!...if he was shot in the front then yeah...but in the back!...thats not cool at all...shooting out his tire was pretty cool...but was it on purpose? or by accident?

[Jlivan]

Still a little dangerous b/c she could of been shot herself. Once he started to leave there is really no reason to shoot. Yeah if shooting the tires was an accident that is not cool --- It is cool if she was trying to prevent a getaway.

[slvrsleeper]

Valid points all. Felix you are correct, in any state except Fl. she probably would have been charged with at least misdemeanor brandishing. However: it is nice to see people who are able to defend themselves doing just that. The only reservation I have about giving this woman too much credit is that if anything she facilitated the commision of another carjacking by disabling the get-away car and not the bad guy. The proper thing to do (monday morning qb ) would be to pacify the subject under the gun and hold him for the police.

[CuddleBug1899]

She should have shot him in his foot so he couldn't get away rather than shooting the car. lol But you know what, in a situation like that when your adrenaline is pumping everything happens so fast you don't have time to think or rationalize what is right and wrong. In the end, no one got hurt (thankfully) which is the most important thing. If someone wants to steal your car, let them have it. It's not worth your life. (probably the wrong thing to say in a CAR forum, but hey, that's what I think).

[FordFasteRR]

Valid points all. Felix you are correct, in any state except Fl. she probably would have been charged with at least misdemeanor brandishing. ............

not true, she brandished the weapon in self defense. it is not illegal to do that.

when only seconds separate you from life & death, you'd better have that gun IN YOUR HAND... just ask any cop what the possible risk in delaying the drawing of a weapon and reacting to a threat ...

[rckozma]

Valid points all. Felix you are correct, in any state except Fl. she probably would have been charged with at least misdemeanor brandishing.

Nope, Felix is right in Florida too. Another thing, if you are found guilty and it involves a gun it is a felony not misdemeanor. In the state of Fl, you are considered using a firearm once it is displayed - whether you shoot it or not. Also in Florida, once the bad guy turned to leave she is no longer in danger as the threat is retreating and she should have been arrested. After all that, I hope she does it again if her life is threatened, and I am glad that she didn't shoot an innocent with the missed shots.

[ButterBean]

what she should have done, was shoot him and then flip him over and shoot him in the front, then when the cops got there tell them that when she shot him the first time she fired a second time and he turned around. Then we'd have no more problem.

:bang:

[felixr]

actually ford, as rckozma pointed out . . and not to ruffle my own feathers but i am correct. . . the second you let anyone see the tiny little screw at the bottom of the magazine come out of your shirt or vest or glovebox you are breaking the law. unless, it was to stop someone from raping or killing someone else or from killing you. the law clearly states that. if you are a gun owner you should REALLY know these things. you SHOULD'VE known them before you ever got fingerprinted. i wouldnt allow myself to get a gun untill i knew these laws like the back of my hand. . . i must have read that silly pamphlet every night for two weeks in order to memorize it. i cant imagine owning a gun and carrying it around and not knowing that if i take it out to "scare" someone i could go to prison. . . wow . . . THAT'S what scares ME!

[slvrsleeper]

That old double standard about "innocent until proven guilty" unless you are an armed citizen. I only mean to say what Felix and Rockozma already have and that is you have to be very careful what you do as a CCP holder. Your every action will be scrutinized by the courts in the aftermath of a defensive shooting. This lady did achieve the best possible outcome but her way of getting there was a little sketchy. I have help a VA CCP for three and a half years now and carry a gun at least three days a week to and from work. In all that time I have NEVER come close to drawing my weapon and I hope it stays that way. (Can't afford Masaad Ayoobs services right now)