1/4 mile Times, Finally!

[FordFasteRR]

Well, I went to Moroso tonight.. and I was dissapointed badly...

best I could muster was 16.47 @ 83.38

I went 5 times... each time was better and better..

I tried many launch patterns and 5000 rpms seems to be the best one... for some reason, i was hooking like mad and bogging out nasty.. so each time i raised the launch rpm until my last run which was 5k and it was almost perfect...

I shifted just before redline in each gear and i passed the traps in 3rd gear...

0-60 ft was always 2.3 seconds with virtually no wheelspin at all.

I weighed the car.. with a 1/4 tank of gas and Me in it was : 2850 lb.

I went to the car-test and dialed everything in for 150 hp + all of the cars specs and gear ratios... it showed a best possible time of 16.22 ..

then I tried it again with 2550 lb and it was 15.8 ...

I figure that to run near the best posted time on this board ( 15.2) I will need to loose like 300 lb from the car.

Damn. :(

Also, Here is the best part... I used the g-tech on every single run.

it was off BADLY .. some times over a full second off...

on 4th run.. i ran a 16.474 @ 83.21 and the g-tech showed 14.71 @ 101.8 mph... totally off.

the closest run on the g-tech was my first run of the night, this run I bogged 1st gear nasty and I missed 2nd gear shift and ran a 17.1 @ 82.69 and the g-tech showed 16.85 @ 87.8 which is only .3 seconds off on the ET. The next closest g-tech time was .8 seconds off...

basically, this particular model g-tech SUCKS.

Anyhow, my last 3 runs of the night were perfectly close... all 16.4 x 83 mph.. with all launches between 4-5000 rpms.

So there you have it folks... based on these track times, I cannot be making more than 150 engine HP.

In this race, I am on the right. I raced a brand new VW GTI 1.8T 5spd... He got a betterr 1/4 mile time, but I beat him to the finishline !!! SO I WON :) HEHEHE Ohh, and that number I wrote on the slip next to my real time was the G-tech time... So I guess I still have the fastest g-tech XD . lol .

Here is my time-slip:
http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/Time_Slip_110504.jpg

Here is a shot of the GTI that I spanked:

http://www.nitrousworld.com/pictures/p1010009_GTI_Owned_FF.jpg

[evan938]

you will loose a little bit of time if you loose 300 lbs, but not much. from what ive heard from quite a few people who drag all the time (guys who have ws6's runnin low 11's) say that for every 1,000lbs in the car, it adds 1 second. so if you loose 300 lbs, youre only gonna go 3/10ths of a second faster.

[Jmontigny]

I am so pleased to see that you finally got out to the track. I found it to be a humbling experience as I am sure you did as well.

So I guess my 16.1 at 86mph was not too bad considering I was using the stock exhaust manifold with my custom CAI made from steel flexpipe I bought from JCwhitney. My other mods were test pipe, 58mm BBTB, bored IM and the Tib suspension with Apex springs. My 60' sucked at 2.5 seconds so if I could have learned how to get off the line I may have been close to 15.8 seconds. I know Tor had turned a 16.0 at 85mph and a 2.3 60ft. He had done that with a CAI, catback, coilovers and SNOW tires. I am still a firm believer that until the head and cams are reworked anything more than a CAI is a waste of money.

Oh well The Elantra is gone but I still have the fun memories of you and I competing to come up with the next best power adder for the 01-03 cars.

So do you really want to spend so much energy trying to knock a half a second of the 1/4 mile time or are you going to just kick back and accept the fact that the 01-03 Elantra is a 16 second 1/4 mile car like I did? As you know I gave up and picked up a 1997 GMC Sierra to drive for a couple years. My wife and I are toying with the idea of getting a 2006 or 2007 Mustang GT. We both love the looks and I love the power and new found handling prowess the new 05 suspension gives. No more one legger FWD cars for me when it comes to performance. I guess you can say that i have seen the light.

[faraco3]

The energy absorber it Styrofoam, it is almost weightless

[FordFasteRR]

......... No more one legger FWD cars for me when it comes to performance. I guess you can say that i have seen the light.


Well, I am humbled, but I am not about to give up.... I have a blower coming in and that will put me into the 15's easily.

... also, about one leggers... try that with an srt and just a few bolt-ons and you are running 13's 14's on pump gas.

:)

Jay, Did you weigh your car the day you ran 16.1 ?

[SuperGLS]

Good to see you went to the track FINALLY, haha. Did you go mostly to get numbers before the Supercharger install?

Oh, and we told everyone g-tech's were no good for accurate numbers.

[2GTS]

I have to disagree with Jay again on this statement I am still a firm believer that until the head and cams are reworked anything more than a CAI is a waste of The guy that ran a 15.2 didn't have any internal work. Just I/H/E with a bored out IM and from the pics it looks like a BBTB.

[Jmontigny]

... also, about one leggers... try that with an srt and just a few bolt-ons and you are running 13's 14's on pump gas.

:)

Well having seen several runs from the SRT4 at the track I can say that the ones that have the open front dif are not pretty to watch until they are into the middle of second gear. There is simply far too much torque for one front tire to handle and there is no smooth way to get from 0-45mph without excessive wheelspin, a bog or, torque steer.

Make no doubt about it however, once the SRT4 hooks up in the middle of second gear it is gone. It is amazing seeing a Neon clear the back half of the 1/4 mile with the same velocity as a 12-13 second Mustang or Camaro.

Also don't forget that Dodge realized the massive shortcoming of having an open dif and made the second year of production come standard with a Quaiffe LSD. Let me tell you I was drooling at the list of parts the second year of the SRT4 comes standard with. At that point I had already decided that any future toy will be RWD. No compromise will be made next time around.

Well I can't wait to see how the blower works out for you. Has Alpine managed to get it past 20-30whp yet? I know that was the best they could manage from previous attempts with the beta motor.

I have to disagree with Jay again on this statement The guy that ran a 15.2 didn't have any internal work. Just I/H/E with a bored out IM and from the pics it looks like a BBTB.

Was that with a CVVT or was it 01-03 non-CVVT? As you know I don't read everything that happens anymore so I don't know the details of that run.



Jay, Did you weigh your car the day you ran 16.1 ?

I did not weigh the car but it was before any weight reduction was done with the exception of the spare tire being removed. I am sure it was a very similiar weight to yours. I weigh 160-170 so I doubt that made any difference either.

[2GTS]

His screen name is Blk02XD so I'd have to guess non-CVVT.

[only1db]

i believe that you a .1 of a sec for every 70lbs shaved....

i have to to get to the track before it closes!....

[ilanpro]

i believe that you a .1 of a sec for every 70lbs shaved....

i have to to get to the track before it closes!....
we have too

[slvrsleeper]

So much for me buying a G-Tech! Glad to see you went to the track at last, now its my turn. As to the whole 1/4 mile time thing, I say that if the car is fun to drive and makes you happy enjoy it! My car won't do a 12 second quarter and frankly I couldn't care less, it gets 31 MPG and makes me smile every time I lean on the gas pedal.

[only1db]

what about the gtech pro??? the more expensive of the two....

31 mpg!! holy crap!! i got 17 mpg coming to work today!! :D

[Jmontigny]

BLK02XD did seem to be running 02 with the following mods back on 9/16/04:
accord cold air intake, throttle body bypass, ported and polished intake manifold, heat spacer, forza header, custom cat back, twm short shifter, clutchmasters stage 3 clutch, and arospeed springs

On 10/13/04 he ran this time:
R/T .740
60' 2.547
330 6.876
1/8 10.412
MPH 68.31
1000 13.461
1/4 16.013
MPH 89.33

Now on 11/04/04 he runs this time after taking out the back seats, speakers, and rear window motors.
60' 2.285
330 6.360
1/8 9.798
MPH 71.8
1000 12.761
1/4 15.254
MPH 90.42

I would be willing to bet he might have a couple other small things that he changed from his first time posted to his second. You have to admit that he really did an excellent job at improving his launch which had a great effect on the overall run. His trap speeds of 89 and 90 mph lead me to believe that he is making a noticeable amount more power vs others. I would like to know the details of his custom catback (I assume no cats), the intake and TB mods and and if there are other weight reductions that he did not list yet. Also what size tires was he using when he ran? And last what was the outside temp on each run he posted? Air temp can make a 5hp difference. Top all that off with a great drive and it looks like he did an excellent job of making his Elantra the fastest normally aspirated to date.

The final thing to get from this is that the Forza header could be the "right" one for the Beta. What I mean is that it could be the right combination of primary length, primary diameter and design to truly benefit the Beta motor.

[ilanpro]

He is laughing at you
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/customavatars/avatar51_2.gif

[FordFasteRR]

He is laughing at you
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/customavatars/avatar51_2.gif

huh ?



............ darnit !

[slvrsleeper]

Methinks Ilan has left the bottle on in the car a little too long LOL

[BLK02XD]

Actually i still have the 2nd cat in place, just a crush bent deal from a local muffler shop from there back, regular 2.5 tubing. in between the two runs the only thing that changed was fresher tires, less weight on the back, and i installed the intake manifold spacer.

oh yeah thats a normal throttle body, i bored mine out a while back but i didnt get a butterfly big enough, so i bought carbonmans stock one when he went with a bbtb, thats why its blue i guess he painted it, im just lazy and havent painted it yet.

[FordFasteRR]

Well, yesterday I set the adjustable cam sprocket back to the ZERO mark which is the stock setting.

[Jmontigny]

Well I knew there must have been something different between runs for BLK02XD. He said in the other thread that his car has no A/C and the power steering was disconnected. Not sure if the A/C was missing for both runs or not however.

So having no A/C takes a good amount of weight off the car coupled with not running the A/C belt that has a small parasitic drag on the motor.

I wish I had taken my car to the 1/4 mile when it was gutted and still had the engine upgrades. There was no question that the huge diet my car was on made a noticeable improvement in acceleration.

[tharptroy]

damn ford....I was at least expecting somewhere in the 15 second range for you.

bleh, looks like its time to get serious about some performance work.

[FordFasteRR]

I would say that on a scale of 1-10, I was driving my car at a 9.

I launched with a mere chirp on the tires, and perfect hook through all of first gear.. I granny shifted each gear with no wheelspin at all.

The back end just dipped down and the car went. It went straight as an arrow... Each shift was smooth and quick with no bog except for 1st gear (very very slight bog at 5000 rpm launch).

Apparently this clutch held up REALLY well... However I have managed to slip it on the street.. worst is that it is my imagination and i'm actually spinning the tires on the street...

The only way that my car will get into the 15's is if someone can drive it like a " 10 " .

All of the calculators and simulators show that the fastest it can go in the current power / weight is 16.22 and thats that.

If i want to run in the 15's.. I'll need more power or less weight. ANd I have decided that its not worth getting rid of anything else to make it lighter because that would interfere with my comfort levels.

I once had an 11 second mustang that was fully gutted with racing seats and nothing else inside... (except the nitrous bottle)... and that is just not worth it... thats why I bought a new car...

so, ultimately... I need more power. I guess if the blower can give me around 50 more hp then I might be able to get into the low 15's.

If i want more, then i'll need to add alcohol injection or nitrous and I dont think i'm gonna go that far with this. But a low 15 second daily driven elantra makes for a super fun car :)

[sed]

ugh I don't even get credit for the photo..

I tell you what, no respect in this world

shawn :)

oh and hi everyone

[slvrsleeper]

Sed-rick the entertainer has returned! Ford I agree with you one hundred percent about comfort in a drag car. I had a Dodge Dart that would run high twelves all day long but it was a real ***** on the street. My XD is my everyday car and it gonna stay that way.

[FordFasteRR]

Sed took some pictures of me @ the track last friday :)

HE was laughing so hard when I ran 17 seconds in my first run... lol :)

anyway, if all goes as planned, i'm heading back to the track this friday.. I plan to hit the 15's if i'm lucky...

I set my cam sprocket back to stock... i'll see if that gives me back 2-3 tenths of a second... :)

[Elantra2.001]

I had snow tires and stock exhaust manifold and i got a provable (have slip) 16.01 and a not so provable (lost slip) 15.9. I did have the rear seat out though. And i had coilovers to limit squating. I think the coilovers did more than anything.

[FordFasteRR]

sweet :)

I'm going back to the strip on wednesday.. we'll see how it goes. :)

[CTele02]

To reduce weight on that drag day some suggestions: you should remove seats (unless you have passengers that day) or if you have a friend with a truck, stuff all the unnecessary, easily removable things in there before you run. Take out the sound system. And run with all your windows rolled down, to have the weight closer to the ground. Take off your dashboard and side door plastic components :) , you wont need them with the windows rolled down, but i only suggest that if you take off every panel you see in the car and have a friend's car to temporarily store it, since you could remove all that at the track. Antenna is about 1lb.. and im sure you can sweat off a few pounds if you work out all tomorrow... floor mats can go too, and ofcourse spare tire. But if you don't want to seem so desperate then go without all the extreme removals...

[FordFasteRR]

..........all the extreme removals...

Thanks for the useless response... I'll be sure to use it when i'm wiping my a$$. lol :)

[OdessitPashka]

Mad props to you for going to the track finaly! but I'm very dissapointed in the results!
it just doesn't make any sense that you run mid 16s with so many mods when I ran mind 15s with a homemade CAI and some weight reduction! even my auto XD got mid 16s with less mods than yours.... not trying to offend ya, but it just doesn't make any sense!!!

and im so happy to see damn gtech not workin!!! lol

[FordFasteRR]

...I'm very dissapointed in the results!....

So am I. And I agree, the gtech sucks.

Like I posted earlier, I dont think that this car could be driven better by anyone else. Or made to go faster by improved driver skill. With 5000 rpm launch & No wheelspin, shifting at redline every gear with surgical precision... the only problem is the weight not the power.

Maybe the tib brakes & front and rear sway bar upgrades counter-balanced the weight reduction of the front seat swap... I would say that the car weighs stock. When I ran my 99 j2 elantra with the 90 shot (100% stock except for the spray & auto) I only ran a 15.2 (with only 600 psi bottle pressure) and the car weighed 2800 lb... The trick here is power to weight.

obviously, I'm not going to make more power unless I do something radical. And i'm not going to reduce any weight without doing something even more radical...

So the only thing I can do is adjust the powerband with the cam sprocket as best I can , then wish for the best. I have already set the adjustable cam back to stock settings.. I'm going back to the track to try and break into the 15's.. if it happens ... great.. if not... too bad.

I'll just have to get the blower to do any better :)

[OdessitPashka]

I think one of the problem is that you shift near the redline, its not good because our powerband ends at 6000rpms, thats when I shift.

good luck next time!

[Elantra2.001]

Just take the rear seat out and spare if you still have it. Bet it helps a bunch.

[FordFasteRR]

the trunk is 100% gutted, it doesnt even have the black felt stuff on there or the spare tire cover..

All i keep in the back is 1 jumper cable kit... and its just tucked down into the passenger side fender hole...


And as far as shifting at 6000 rpms... I think that based on the shift point thread on the NA section.. it has been determined that shifting at redline is required based on our torque and gearing specs. :)

[OdessitPashka]

Not gonna argue, because 1st gen tib have different gear ratios.
But for me shifting near 6000rpms yelled best results :)

[sed]

wow,

Ford you cyberpimp you owned that dude.... lol jeez man take it easy on the new guys ;)

I think you gained a truer perspective of your car on friday... thats worth the time and money at the very least. You also gained knowledge about your g-spunk, so you can stop being like the "unofficial spokesperson" of wendy's on TV for that thing. :)

Oh and i have been thinking about something. If you installed the CAI in my car in your car and shifted at 5k and hold it through the middle of second, you would shave a good .2 - .3 off the e/t.

we'll see on friday ;)

shawn :)

[FordFasteRR]

I dont know what the hell youre talking about but i dont want to change any of my mods ... I want to see what the cam sprocket adjust ment does first...

If that helps, I'll consider swapping the cai back in... Did you get your tires yet ?

[slvrsleeper]

oh and i have been thinking about something. If you installed the CAI in my car in your car and shifted at 5k and hold it through the middle of second, you would shave a good .2 - .3 off the e/t.

Course you could shave a few tenths off your E.T. if you took the cam sprocket OFF and threw it away! LOL JFWY :D

[FordFasteRR]

hey, you better back up that gtech run slvrsleeper !

[slvrsleeper]

Like everybody sez around here "slips?" Hehehe!

[FordFasteRR]

Like everybody sez around here "slips?" Hehehe!


yeah.. let me see yours then ? LOL

[sed]

yeah i got tires, now need alignment, methinks i would run into the wall if i tried to race :(

ahwell

what i said earlier made sense to me in the state i was in at the time, leave me alone

shawn :)

[FordFasteRR]

sweet :)

We are gonna hit the track tonight.. .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.


Lets see if I can get this thing into the 15's tonight ! LOL


.

[sed]

i haven't gotten the alignment dumbdumb, but i'll go with you again if you like

shawn :)

[slvrsleeper]

i haven't gotten the alignment dumbdumb, but i'll go with you again if you like

shawn :)
What a sissy! You don't need a front end alignment to run the 1/4 ! Besides then you could give all of us a DIY on how to drag race with the wheel a quarter turn to the left! LOL

[FordFasteRR]

yeah, that sounds like a crappy excuse not to race the FORD dude ! :)

[OdessitPashka]

What a sissy! You don't need a front end alignment to run the 1/4 ! Besides then you could give all of us a DIY on how to drag race with the wheel a quarter turn to the left! LOL
actually alignment plays a big role in your traction, so it must play huge role in your ET.

[NCspecV81]

HEY! you finally went! congrats....now atleast you have some stable #'s to work upon bettering....


*rubs crystal balls* ahhhhh :eek:


*rubs crystal BALL* ha-hooooooooooooooooooooom ha-hooooooooooooooooooooooooom....

i see supercharger & nitrous in your near future

i say spray the whirling sheee-yat out of it

[aLoNe I bReAk]

I'm about to hit the track for the first time, and I came across this thread. Just wanted to see what people were running with what mods etc... By the way Ford, you never posted your new times. Seeing as this thread ended in November, maybe there was a new thread started, I don't know. Anyway, I have one question. What octane were you all running? I run normal 87 because frankly, that is all the car needs, and with gas prices (by me at least) close to $2.20 a gallon......yeah. I guess what I'm wondering is should I put 93 in the car? If so, would I have to keep it at 93, because I have heard rumors about damage (in any car) when octanes are not kept constant.

[FordFasteRR]

ok.. my best time before the SC was 15.5 @ 89 mph.

This was with the stock hood also... otherwise, I basically had everything else that I have now except the SC ... :)

BLK02xd and OD are the fastest 2 drivers on the forum, however OD is not driving an XD .. both ran 15.2 and OD did it with an RD tiburon which is more aero dynamic and lighter than an XD...

I also could be wrong about this, but i think someone with nitrous ran 14.1 1/4 mile a ways back.. but maybe not... lol

[sed]

yeah,

nx2k1gls ran a 14.1

http://www.elantraxd.com/yabbse/index.php?op=download;id=21

:)

[FordFasteRR]

that was SAM right ? Dang I miss that guy ( that sounded gh3y but still ) ...

lol, where did he go ? he never goes on AIM anymore either.

[sed]

he hydrolocked his engine and blew it up..

he posted like 5 or 6 months ago that he was ditchin the XD for something else since it was all fugged up

shawn :) (The king of EXD triva)

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=981

[OdessitPashka]

yeah,

nx2k1gls ran a 14.1

http://www.elantraxd.com/yabbse/index.php?op=download;id=21

:)

Looks like 14.7 to me, or not?

I ran 15.3 with bad traction with I/H/E and 80Lbs of weight reduction. With my trap speed I will definitely hit 15.1 on a good track day with good traction.

My auto XD with I/H/E ran 16.5.

There is no need to put 93 Octane in your car, unless your car is tuned for it or you have some power adder like turbo or nitrous.

[Pumbaa]

I am getting my OBX cam sprocket either this weekend or monday. I will have it installed for next saturday *9th or April* and will be taking it to a Dyno day with a few hyundai guys. I will dyno tune the sprocket using 3 runs with airfuel ratio. Then we're going to the track. I have my fringers crossed that the weather will be good, considering its been raining in Seattle now for the last 3 days and they're expecting it for 1 more week. I will be running without the rear seats this time and on 87 octane. We'll see how fast I can get it. My fastest is posted in the official timeslip post. I raced against a Nitrous Elantra using a ZEX kit, 75 shot, it ran a 14.625 against me, but its fastest was 14.14. He smoked an SRT-4, it was funny!

[acarzt]

you will loose a little bit of time if you loose 300 lbs, but not much. from what ive heard from quite a few people who drag all the time (guys who have ws6's runnin low 11's) say that for every 1,000lbs in the car, it adds 1 second. so if you loose 300 lbs, youre only gonna go 3/10ths of a second faster.


sorry to bring this back from the dead... but that theory is WAY off... according to that theory... if i lost 2,000 pounds i should only be running 14s even tho i'd have a better power to weight ratio than a SRT-10 Viper...

From what i hear... you should shave about .1 second for every 50 pounds you lose

[OdessitPashka]

Good comment man. I didn't catch this post.

100lb for 1 second is complete BS :) It's all power VS weight relationship. If you have 140whp and weigh 2600lbs, loosing 40lbs will theoreticly drop .1 of a second. There is a sticky at the top of this section with links. Play with those calculators and see what goes where :)

[tharptroy]

sorry to bring this back from the dead... but that theory is WAY off... according to that theory... if i lost 2,000 pounds i should only be running 14s even tho i'd have a better power to weight ratio than a SRT-10 Viper...

From what i hear... you should shave about .1 second for every 50 pounds you lose


well, that sounds a bit high to me as well (.1 for 50 lbs)

just suffice it to say that you you lose weight, your ET should drop

[OdessitPashka]

Tharpoy, go play with the calculators that I have listed at the top of the page, and see for yourself :)

[xHolmeZxGT]

wow this is all crazy! I cant believe that the elantras with the same engine are slower then the tibs. huh! Well I used to have a 1997 Tib, and used to have the slips to prove it. Had customer intake, 4-2-1 headers, 61mm BBTB, port matched intake, port matched exhaust, 2.5in exhaust piping, Dragun Fire straight through muffler, lowered 2.7 in, strut tower braces and dunlop sport w-10s with stock 15in rims, Bosch Plat +4 plugs, and 94 oct fuel and STP 104+ oct booster. I was running 14.8 in the 1/4. I didnt think that was alot of mods either. DAMN i miss that car.

[FordFasteRR]

good point.

the XD does not have the aerodynamic advantage of the RD tiburon.. :(

[slvrsleeper]

^^^Of course thats what the SC is for right?^^^

[WytchDctr]

Elantras seem to be a little heavier, a little harder to push thru the air, between the RD and XD slightly higher gearing (mainly 2nd and 4th), and that damn ECM that wants to run lean to get good gasmilage/emissions. Put all that together and thats why the XD is a little slower than the RD (Or in reality RC tiburon) I wouldn't mind droping a GK 4cyl trans into mine. Final is 4.0something heh. Not worth the money it would cost right now to do that.