okay....i would really like to get the red alum tib calipers and sonota rotors...but i'm running short on cash....

my choices are then....the normal tib upgrade

or

kvr rotors and pads?
http://shop.hyundaiperformance.com/images/items/thumbs/kvrhy385cd.jpg
http://shop.hyundaiperformance.com/images/items/thumbs/kvrm7146d.jpg

does the inch of rotor make that much a difference over the drilled rotors?

does the inch of rotor make that much a difference over the drilled rotors?

Yes it does. I've done some comparisons between a couple of different cars (1 Accord and 1 Eclipse) that have stock-sized cross-drilled & slotted rotors, pads, and steel-braided brake lines, and the before & after improvement doesn't match the improvement I got with the Tiburon upgrade with stock components. Add onto that some performance pads and there should be no comparison. But it is a pricey upgrade especially if you get the aluminum calipers... too bad Jay doesn't sell online anymore.

Drilled just aids in cooling and in cleaning the pads. A larger rotor will have more area to clamp down on. Thats the bigger brake advantage. I have 13 inch rotors and there is no comparison.

damn thirteen inch rotors! do you have a pic??? where did you get them from??

so the tib upgrade?

it was bluegt wilwood set up

oh....i wonder how much that cost!...??

i wonder if i could get the kvr for the sonota....does anybody know how big they are??? are they the 11"? and then just get pads and calipers for the tib....instead of using the stock rotors which will probably cost the same if not more!! :eek:

When your rotors are that huge, lets say you have a flat on that tire. Do you pretty much have to get a tow? I can't see anyone lugging around a spare 17" inch rim. Do you guys think AAA would cover a tow like that?

oh....i wonder how much that cost!...??
I think elantra2.001 paid like 800 for the set up. I'm sure blue paid a hell of a lot more

i wonder about the kvr rotors for the sonota and then getting pads and calipers....

I have two cans of SUV fix-a-flat. That and triple A.

One thing you might have to check is if the spindles and the caliper brackets are the same for the sonata and the elantra. otherwise youll need an adapter.

I think that Wilwood setup retails for about $1300 right now.

if hte tib rotors fit...the sonota will fit

who is the Wilwood set up through Tricked? cuz I checked there site they don't even list our cars.

the 2004 sonata with abs uses 11 inch rotors with the same 4 lug pattern as the XD.. :)

Since I have them on my car, I know it will fit.

You will need a pair of metal shears to trim the stock rotor dust cover and thats it : )

the 2003 gt v6 tiburon calipers are a direct swap.. dont forget to buy 4 new crush washers for the brake lines and 1 can of brake fluid :) .. (small can will work)

who is the Wilwood set up through Tricked? cuz I checked there site they don't even list our cars.
Precision Brakes Co. They don't have it listed but they can make they kit.

The Calipers are Wilwood, but the rotors are DBA.

sweet sounds like something I'm going to be saving for .

ford how much did it run you??

I still have my Tib calipers sitting somewhere in the garage. I wish I had the time to put some of these mods on.

ford...how much did it cost you....i'll go look in your topic...nevermind...

my brake light came on!! i really need to get this done!

I'm thinking of getting brakes of the xg350. 12.1 in rotors and dual piston calibers

Not a smart choice once you realize the weight. XD rotor is about 12lbs each, XG 12" rotor is about 20lbs each. That is alot of increase in rotational mass.

Add in the excessive weight of each two piston caliper vs the stock single piston caliper and you have a brake upgrade that adds close to 20lbs at each wheel. That is terrible for unsprung weight.

You only have a 120-130 whp car so rotational mass is huge. Unsprung weight is also a big factor in keeping the tires in contact with the road better. The lightest brakes that do the job needed are the best choice.

I am still a big fan of stock rotors cryo treated and slotted by Frozenrotors.com and then use a set of Hawk or EBC pads. I never warped mine. The bigger brakes look cool but they are not always the best choice.

^ Agreed, good to see you're back offering mechanical advice Jay. In my opinion the ideal choice would be the 11" '04 Sonata rotors, Tiburon aluminum calipers, and Hawk pads. Those red aluminum calipers are a couple pounds lighter than the regular Tib calipers, and they look really good. As for slotting the rotors, that depends on how serious you are. Just remember that if they do warp or get damaged you can't have slotted rotors turned.

^ Agreed, good to see you're back offering mechanical advice Jay. In my opinion the ideal choice would be the 11" '04 Sonata rotors, Tiburon aluminum calipers, and Hawk pads. Those red aluminum calipers are a couple pounds lighter than the regular Tib calipers, and they look really good. As for slotting the rotors, that depends on how serious you are. Just remember that if they do warp or get damaged you can't have them turned.

If I remember right the Tib aluminum was the same weight or lighter even vs the stock XD caliper.

If I remember right the Tib aluminum was the same weight or lighter even vs the stock XD caliper.

Wow, even better. :)

Why Canada? They are avaliable at every dealer in the US.

My 4 pistons calipers weigh less than the one piston stocker. That and 13 inch rotor weighs the same as the stocker, although the size means the rotational mass it further from the center so it still hurts horsepower a bit. Still, my unsprung weight is less than stock with brakes that can cause a nose bleed.

^ That's what makes DBA rotors and Wilwood calipers cool. I knew aftermarket brake components were lightweight, but I didn't think they were that light.

Not a smart choice once you realize the weight. XD rotor is about 12lbs each, XG 12" rotor is about 20lbs each. That is allot of increase in rotational mass.

well I'm on my 3rd set of rotors I need something thats going to hold up to heat plus my next step is going to be a turbo.So I'm not too worried.Word of warning to all ebay rotors suck almost a bad as stock. Also jay what the p/n of the aluminum calipers ?

58180-2CA00 Left
58190-2CA00 Right

58101-2CA00 Pads (required)

An additional word of caution for those considering a front brake upgrade only, especially on rear drum cars. The rear brake shoe wear rate and condition needs to be monitored very carefully to preserve OE brake balance. I have had trouble with my front brakes doing all the work as the rear shoes wear down. I have the Shark racing stock size slotted and dimpled rotors, with EBC pads. Not a huge problem and not unexpected but it does deserve consideration.

how much do the stock tib calipers weigh??

When your rotors are that huge, lets say you have a flat on that tire. Do you pretty much have to get a tow? I can't see anyone lugging around a spare 17" inch rim. Do you guys think AAA would cover a tow like that?


haha funny you ask that..i work for the canton, ohio AAA and our policy (notice how i say our policy...it sometimes changes depending on which clubs' territory you're in..) pretty much states that if you have a flat, and a good spare, we'll put the good spare on, as long as it's safe to drive that way....

ANYHOO. if you don't have a spare, then yeah, they'll tow it.

When your rotors are that huge, lets say you have a flat on that tire. Do you pretty much have to get a tow? I can't see anyone lugging around a spare 17" inch rim. Do you guys think AAA would cover a tow like that?

As long as your rear brakes aren't too big, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. If a front tire blows out, mount the rear wheel on the front, and the spare on the rear.

As long as your rear brakes aren't too big, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. If a front tire blows out, mount the rear wheel on the front, and the spare on the rear.
:abovelol: Yeah I see me doing all that crap in the middle of a rainy night on the side of the road..... You are right though.

weight of the stock tib calipers....anybody...anybody....bueller....buelle r...ferris bueller

I would say that they are only a few ounces heavier than stock.

:)

I am SO HAPPY with the tib caliper / sonata disk upgrade that I could do a few back-flips...

They have already saved me a few times that I KNOW the stock brakes would have wrecked me......

I would NOT GO BACK TO STOCK FOR ANYTHING !!!!!!!

:)

...i plan on doing this...sometime this week! ford your the man....and they fit under the steelies right?

yes, according to Jay... he tried them on an xd with stock wheels and they fit.

you will need to trim the steel dust cover using sheet metal scissors...

its very easy to cut if you have the right shears... :) Only takes like 10 seconds to trim the dust covers on each knucle... :)

:) If you have questions, just ask.

Why trim it? I bent it slightly to avoid rubbing issues. It worked just fine. I just don't see the reason to cut it up when the rotors are only 1/8" wider than stock.

Why trim it? I bent it slightly to avoid rubbing issues. It worked just fine. I just don't see the reason to cut it up when the rotors are only 1/8" wider than stock.

actually they are 1/2 an inch TALLER from the center than stock...

The stock dust cover can be bent, but i prefer to trim it than have a pice of metal that looks like somebody bent it back with their bare hands... :)

The way that I trimmed it makes it look stock. :)

I bent the dust covers on my car so they're completely straight, and then I painted them with black caliper paint when I painted the calipers. So that looks pretty much stock as well. It works either way.

either way.....i will probably man handle them!!

actually they are 1/2 an inch TALLER from the center than stock...


like I didn't already know that. :rolleyes: :D