Whats up with people now-a-days!!!!

[Hyundia_90250]

O.k. ....as you all know I was a supervisor for security at an oil refinery....Well I have been on suspension for 2 weeks, seems a fellow coworker has claimed that I sexually harassed her at work one day. Here's the brief story, fellow coworker is a female.....


On a sat said person and myself are on shift, I didn't know at the time that she had to work that day(that's another story in itself), she was at the asphalt plant off site of the main refinery. Now me being the supervisor on shift I'm basically H.M.F for that day, so part of my dutys are to patrol the main refinery, asphalt plant, storage tank farm and marine terminal. While on patrol I stop and chat with my guards, kill time, break up the monotony....jokes are said, trash is talked and rumors are either started or ended or just scoffed at. So myself and said guard are chatting away, misc things are said...to include "dirty" jokes and responded to in the same "dirty" manner.



Well 5 days later, on a wensday, I have to go in early to work the marine terminal for 4 hours......I get there and was told to see my supervisor...go too see he and he informs me he is suspending me due to sexual harassment investgation.


Well after buggung the hell out of my company, I finally find out who was the one that filed the claim. It was said guard, claiming that I made "sexual advances" toward her and that they were unwelcome. Well according to my companys policy....(which it semms even the person who investigated it didn't know the policy or my rights, and he was in califorina) the "victim" has to clearly say that it is offending them.

Well (1) she never gave ANY indication that it was offensive to her.....(2) No one has even talked to me to take any statement to defend myself other than me having to call the person investegating it and it ws only for about 10 min......(3) They have violated my rights according to Califorina law.....(4) Now say I am being reassigned to another account, which I have to take a "sexual harassment" before I resume working at another site.


And all this is happening a month before X-mas......So I'm the one that's getting punished for nothing cause they don't want to do the job right.... :2gunsfiri :stupid: :hammer: :bang: :pain10: :angryfire :plzdie: :wtf:


Oh and super...sorry about this thread......I just want to see if I'm the only one that's not crazy and that I got the shaft big time :bondage: :thumbsdow

[hyunelan2]

Yea, you go the shaft. With only hearing your side of the story, I'd say you were set up. I used to be in the security field too, there was always someone (female gaurds) claiming they were harassed.

Even though (from your description) it sounds like you did no wrong, in the future I would recommend avoiding ANY kind of conversation that may be considered offencive, off-color, or dirty in any way.

Hope it works out for you.

By the way, your company isn't Wackenhut is it?

[Hyundia_90250]

No its Allied-Barton Security services.....And I agree with ya,I shouldn't have but as the law states, she didn't tell me to stop, funny thing is I called corpate adn they haven't called me back yet

[ilanpro]

If they fail to prove it you should get them for all the back pay

[Hyundia_90250]

If they fail to prove it you should get them for all the back pay
:iamwithst All ready thinking about that route....my wife and my family all agree...find a new job... :ban: <-- my old company....and sue for damages...

[tharptroy]

sexual harassment (in this scenario at least) is such a joke.

if the boss says "if you want to keep your job, your going to have to do (insert sexual favor here)"

then you have harassment on your hands.

[CuddleBug1899]

Actually sexual harrassment could also be if you make someone feel uncomfortable or threatened in any way. If you want to talk law suits, the woman could actually sue the company for allowing for a hostile work environment if she was made to feel uncomfortable or threatened. I know it sounds ridiculous, but in legal terms that is her right.

[Baseballchick02]

Sucks for you dude. I'm sorry some females are like that guys. I'm not like that at all. Hell I'm usually one of the ones telling the dirty jokes and all that crap. In your case that's just plain retared and immature on her part.

My brother was actually fired over a sexual harassment case that wasn't true either. He was worked for Office Depot for a long time. Hell he was Asst. Mgr. of one out in Virgina somewhere. (can't remember where. him and his wife just moved to STL) He came in early one morning to get the store ready to open and had one of the female employees come in as well. She wasn't working at all and he nicely went over to her, asked her to get to work, and put his hand on her shoulder. Kinda like a nudge to get someone to do something. Well a few days later, after he had recieved an AWARD for running the store so smoothly since the Mgr had been out for like 2 months after being in a horrible car accident, the DM tells him about the sexual harassment suit that has been filed against him. the chick that was working with him that morning said that my brother had choked her. Well it turns out that my brother had fired her bf a few weeks prior to this b/c he was basically stealing laptops and **** from the store. They ended up firing my brother anyway, which IMO, was complete BS.

Hope everything works out for you man.

[Hyundia_90250]

Wow.....guess I don't have it that bad...but still it's not right how people abuse the system and how sue happy(at least in cali) people can get.

[Baseballchick02]

Wow.....guess I don't have it that bad...but still it's not right how people abuse the system and how sue happy(at least in cali) people can get.


Its lke that everywhere. Hell, I could have easily filed a complaint agaist numerous guys at FedEx that I worked with, but I went along with the **** that was said b/c I knew it was all fun and games. A lot of people out there don't have a sense of humor, or a dirty one at that, and take offense to a lot of things. A lot of people out there just need STFU and go on with their lives.

[Hyundia_90250]

Hence the title of the thread......we need more wemen like baseballchick!!!! :nosthumbs :clap: :imnotwort

[Baseballchick02]

Hence the title of the thread......we need more wemen like baseballchick!!!! :nosthumbs :clap: :imnotwort


LOL Hey, it's just how I think. I like to mess around with people that I work with, not on a physical level (well sometimes. ;) ) but I like to make work fun. Now I'm having to find a "real" job since I lost mine at FedEx and I gotta grow up a lil . :(

[evan938]

man this sounds crazy. where i work, me and the black guy i work with are always makin jokes about each other (about me being white or him being black) but we do it in fun, and no one is being serious, just jokin around. same thing with some of the girls there.

hell, i even make fun of my boss for being gay (which he says he isnt) but its just to push his buttons...or my other boss for being a coke head (which im sure he is) ...everyone knows that its all in good fun and no one is tryin to hurt anyones feelings or anything.

if someone tried to bust out a harassment suit on me, i would be totally suprised

talk to the said person and ask if it was making her uncomfortable, why did she not say anything. i thought that was part of the thing was "saying unwanted coments or doing unwanted actions" ...doesnt that mean said person needs to justify what is "unwanted"?

[2GTS]

It sounds like this was blown out of porportion BUT as a manager you should avoid putting youself in a situation where something can be twisted around or misinterpreted as harrassment. By all means have fun, but somethings just aren't meant to be discussed at work in these modern times.

[Jlivan]

If she didn't like the way you were talking why didn't she just walk away? To me sexual harassment is actually harassing that person either by rude comments or by touching someone in a way that makes that person uncomfortable. If she didn't want to hear a dirty joke she should of just walked away.

[hyunelan2]

I think everyone, including the law, forgets a part of sexual harassment, which is HARASSMENT. Defined, it is: "To irritate or torment persistently; To wear out; exhaust; To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids."

Even if you did say something offensive 1 time, why is it harassment? And I also think it's a crock of s_it when the 'offender' is not told or asked to stop, and just finds out later that they committed sexual harassment.

Granted, it's important that everyone at work be treated fair and equal, and not be made uncomfortable, but - and I may be wrong - in my experiences in the workplace I've seen more victims of Sexual Harassment be the accused, rather than those who actually claim to being harrassed. Basically, I think the law's f_cked.

[Hyundia_90250]

I think everyone, including the law, forgets a part of sexual harassment, which is HARASSMENT. Defined, it is: "To irritate or torment persistently; To wear out; exhaust; To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids."

Even if you did say something offensive 1 time, why is it harassment? And I also think it's a crock of s_it when the 'offender' is not told or asked to stop, and just finds out later that they committed sexual harassment.

Granted, it's important that everyone at work be treated fair and equal, and not be made uncomfortable, but - and I may be wrong - in my experiences in the workplace I've seen more victims of Sexual Harassment be the accused, rather than those who actually claim to being harrassed. Basically, I think the law's f_cked.

:iamwithst the nail has been hit on the head......

[AUTOBOT]

I have had rumors fly about me before in past jobs about sexual harassment that were no where near true. I used to manage retail stores and never once joked in any way with any of the employees (male or female) about anything sexual. But it never seems to fail that when you write a female employee up or cut her hours because of her work performance or ethic, they scream sexual harassment even though you have given several warnings.

This is why I ALWAYS discussed everything about my employees to my District Managers and always informed them before I wrote anyone up.

The policy is to never make jokes with any employees about anything sexual. Especially if you are the supervisor.

[jameswing]

California has a lot of grey area, You don't even have to be talking to them. If they overhear it they are susposted to say something & go to their supervisor imediatly. if it involes their supervisor, then it goes to the next level up, and if they are Intimadated, or feel they will get a "hostile" reaction they don't have to say anyhting to you.

In one of my HR classes we talked about this for 3 casses straight, and when I worked for the state all employees had to attend a 8 hour class, and managers/supervisors had to go to a 16 hour one.

I'm with Autobot, when I'm at work I don't say anything that could be misinterperted, or overheard.

We even talked about this at our production supervisors meeting this week. One of the younger guys has been getting teased (totally kidding around) about not getting any "action" and he complained about it to the production manager.

[SuperGLS]

I'm glad I work with mostly men. There is one old (60 or so) lady at work and I put my hand on her shoulder all the time, she's like a grandma to me, I hope I'm safe. The other lady is about 45-50 and instead of giving her a handshake (customary at my job) I give her a high five (I'm a dork, I know).

The rest of us just say whatever to each other, it's really relaxed, I'm glad I don't have to put up with stuff like this.

[Hyundia_90250]

Well I see that I'm not the only one.....I went to the main office today to take that sexual harassment class...its was computer based that I have done before...funny thing is I used it for my defense...kind of wierd..but I have got an interview for another site.....which is right near my house at a mall.

[Elantra2.001]

Damn, hope i dont get fired for having sex with some of the girls at work...

[blupupher]

man this sounds crazy. where i work, me and the black guy i work with are always makin jokes about each other (about me being white or him being black) but we do it in fun, and no one is being serious, just jokin around.

Just watch your ***. I did the same thing and was fired for racial discrimination. Eventhough I never said anything that the other had said and they never said anything about it bothering them and encouraged it.
It does not matter if it is true or not. The company just looks at being sued for discrimination, so rather than investigating it, they just fire the "problem".

[hyunelan2]

^^^ yea. They fire the 'problem' and hope it goes away... but it bites them in the *** when the 'problem' comes back and sues them for wrongful termination. A friend of mine just received a settlement for being fired for reasons that are against the law (medical). Basically, it's a lot of companies' policys to fire you, and hope you just go away... as many do. Don't let them get away with crap.

[Hyundia_90250]

Well here's an update on me......and thanks to everyone for there input and support......just called my former supervisor....seems I have been found guilty, the reccommendation for punishment was 10 day suspension without pay, reassignment and sexual harassment class. He asked me what the class was about and I told him it was the same class that was on-line that I used to research what the company "policy" was and told him what it said and what happened. His responce was as follows: " Well I just went with what the recommdation was from the district manger and (name ommitted), you did it". Me: "Yes I have ammited it, and according to what the "policy" said is she has to " tell me it was unwelcome or un warrented and that it offended her", which she never did." His responce: " Well if you want you can call (name ommited) and talk to him about it." Well I did before I called my former supervisor.....just a lil background...there was a sexual harassment filed by 2 people on another coworker that just seemed to have been forgotten.....one of the accusers is still working at the site at the marine terminal....the other was fired for threatening a fellow coworker (me)..and the accused is still there and happens to be his "assitant"..... I called the investaging person and as usual got his voice mail. Needless to say I wish I could affored a lawyer.
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