Cryogenic Spark Plugs

[azwildfire]

http://www.lecryo.com/lecryocgi/main.cgi?pv,indexhome.html

they have a local distributor here in Phx Az and i was able to get a set of these plugs... i went from 36 mpg to 40 on the freeway going from chandler to glendale *about 45 miles all highway* i did both runs at 8 pm so there was no traffic and was pretty much able to keep cruise control on.

I am pretty impressed with these plugs... and am curious if anyone else has any experience with them?

p.s. i did not re gap them smaller due to my turbo like recommended... i havent seen any proof you should go with a smaller gap unless you are running higher boost so i stick with what i know.

[FordFasteRR]

this is quite interesting...

how much did you pay for them ?


Also, how can you be 100% sure that the 4 mpg increase in fuel economy is a direct result of the spark plugs ?

how old were the plugs you replaced with these new ones ?

[azwildfire]

old plugs had 3k miles on em... they were the NKG copper plugs that Tim provided with my turbo kit.

the MPG runs were made only 24 hours after eachother. no significant change in weather or driving conditions and used same tank of fuel for both

i paid 32 bucks for 4 plugs

[felixr]

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[Bnystrom]

...I'd say this is 100% pure snake oil. :lame:

Like most charlatans, they've glommed onto a hot technology, then twisted and exaggerated its benefits to suit their marketing needs. While they provide all kinds of colorful and impressive looking graphs and glowing testimonials, they provide NO meaningful data. To wit:

- What kind of plugs were originally in the cars they tested?
- How old were they?
- What other changes were made during the testing (wires, cap & rotor, filters, timing, etc.)?
- What kind of fuel was used before and after?
and most importantly:

*** Why are there no comparisons with other brands of new plugs in the same vehicles???***

- How is it that they don't even understand how electricity flows through a conductor?
- Why don't they explain their treatment process? Are they simply dipping another brand of plug in liquid nitrogen and calling it "cryogenically treated"?

My (admitedly limited) understanding of cryogenic treatment of metals is that it makes them more durable. Perhaps these plugs will last longer than other plugs with similar electrode material (which they don't specify), but I fail to see how there could be any other significant benefit to this treatment.

On a more general note, why is it that all of their listed "dealers" are motorcycle shops?

At $18.95/pair, this is a real scam!

This looks to be an orthopedic appliance company that's discovered a new "cash cow" in the automotive aftermarket.

As for the results you found with your car, there's a simple way to tell if it's due to these plugs or not. Install a set of new platinum, irridium or copper plugs and repeat your driving test. Better yet, have a friend change them several times over the course of several drives and not tell you which ones are in the car. Wanna' bet that you get the same mileage with both sets of plugs? These clowns are counting on the fact that no one is likely to test them objectively.

Also, you really need to check your long-term gas mileage to make sure this isn't a simple case of placebo effect. You think you're going to get an improvement, so you subconciously modify your driving to optimize mileage.

Edit:

I just noticed that your test drive is only 45 miles. How did you calculate your gas mileage on such a short drive? The computer in the car is nowhere near accurate enough at such short distances. If you filled up before and after, the difference between one pump and another could easily account for the differences in mileage when you're only talking about a little over a gallon each way. Do some full tank comparisons, then get back to us with the results.

[FordFasteRR]

maybe he only had 1 gallon of gas in it to begin with.. then he drove it until the car stalled, then he just poured one more gallon of gas and was able to drive 4 more miles before it stalled again ! LOL

That would be almost cool ! LOL Stupid, but cool ! LOL

[azwildfire]

I used the car's trip computer and reset it before each run... i have found the car's trip computer to be terribly accurate in the past when it compared it to my calculations with filling up my tank and jotting down milage. most it was ever off is .5 mpg in which case where or how i topped off the tank could have easily accounted for that. however i do reset the MPG computer every fill up

you are welcome to think what you like, i was jus tposting my observations and impressions... I feel happy with em and feel they were worth the money, so in my mind they were worth posting this thread even with the encombant flames

[FordFasteRR]

how were you able to compare the temperature ratings for those plugs ?

[azwildfire]

how was i able to compare temp ratings? if you mean how did i determine intake air temp i just use my laptop to view all that stuff on the OBD program.

if you are asking how to tell the heat range of the plug... i have no idea *shrug* i just trust whatever they gave me that it matches what i wanted

[Elantra2.001]

The Cryogenic process serves to align the crystal in the metal which theoretically could make them more conductive. Also if they transfer heat to the head better, they would remain cooler and therefore be more conductive. I have no idea f it really works, but that would be the benifit of the process if it did provide gains.

[FordFasteRR]

.... if you are asking how to tell the heat range of the plug... i have no idea *shrug* i just trust whatever they gave me that it matches what i wanted


SO you are saying that you installed plugs of un-known heat range on your turbo XD ?


hmmmmmmmm......................................

[azwildfire]

i told em i was turboed and needed one heat range colder... they said okay you need *blah* and that is what i got

[normalnot1]

I understand the confusion about the plugs. I can tell you, without doubt or question, that these spark plugs will make a differance when it comes to horsepower, mileage and emissions. My car, a 1992 Grand Marquis went from 17 to 22 mpg. No, there were no other changes made, and the change lasted over 2 years, when the mileage began to drop again. I put a new set of plugs in, and it is back to the 22! The differance in the horsepower was dramatic as well. I was driving from Phoenix to Cottowood at least 2 times a month, and after the plugs were put in, I could really feel the diff. on the hills.
I work for one of the guys to develop this process. I can tell you why you see most of the dealers as motorcycle shops. We have concentrated on motorcyclists because they usually have cars and trucks as well! We spend alot of time at bike rallys all over the country.
You know, you can check it out yourself. We don't promise any specific MPG diff, but we do promiste there will be a diff. Tim has said, hundreds of times, "buy the plugs, use them. If you don't like them, let us know, and we will give you your money back." After 2 years, we have replaced 1 set. Not bad out of the thousands we have sold.
You know, with gas prices as they are, can you afford not to give these a shot?
check us out at www.frozenhorsepower.com.

[tharptroy]

can we get a picture of the plug? I didnt see any images on the site you linked to

[normalnot1]

I am not sure where to get a photo. It is just an everyday spark plug. Untill we get our banding machine, with the plates to go with it, we just put a label, with E/P around the ceramic portion of the plug, to denote that it has been treated. E/P stands for Emission/Performance.
I meant to mention in the earlier post that freezing re-aligns the molucules in the electrode, creating an easier path for the electricity, as it follows the path of least resistance. This creates a larger spark kernal. What this does is burn more of the fuel in the cylinder, which creates greater horsepower. In addition, it reduces emissions. Greater horsepower means you can back off on the throttle, to get the same "work" done, and that in itself increases gas mileage.

[ricerrx7]

I'm sorry, but I have to correct what you are saying. Less resistance does not equal a stronger spark. It infact does the exact opposite. It will give a weaker spark, for a longer time. If you want a stronger spark (but for a shorter period) you have to increase resistance. Ignitions 101.

[Bnystrom]

I understand the confusion about the plugs. I can tell you, without doubt or question, that these spark plugs will make a differance when it comes to horsepower, mileage and emissions.
It's going to take a lot more than your assertions to make me believe your claims. Go back up to my post above and answer all the questions with something other than marketing babble and maybe I'll give them a second look. As for only having to replace 1 set in two year, I've seen many similar claims for "snake oil" products. With spark plugs, as long as they work, nobody is likely to send them back. On cars in need of new plugs, ANY new plug of the proper type will improve performance.

Tim has said, hundreds of times, "buy the plugs, use them. If you don't like them, let us know, and we will give you your money back."
How about this, you send me a set and I'll give them an objective test. If they do what you claim. I'll pay you double for them! If not, I'll send them back. I have 250 mile round trip drive that I do on a regular basis and I know exactly what kind of mileage my car gets under various conditions on that drive. I could tell very quickly what, if any, difference your plugs make. If I see a big gain in fuel mileage, they're worth the extra cost to me.

As always when outrageous claims are made for a product, the question is: If this product can make such a difference in horsepower and fuel efficiency, why aren't car companies knocking down your door to get them???

[normalnot1]

It's going to take a lot more than your assertions to make me believe your claims. Go back up to my post above and answer all the questions with something other than marketing babble and maybe I'll give them a second look. As for only having to replace 1 set in two year, I've seen many similar claims for "snake oil" products. With spark plugs, as long as they work, nobody is likely to send them back. On cars in need of new plugs, ANY new plug of the proper type will improve performance.


How about this, you send me a set and I'll give them an objective test. If they do what you claim. I'll pay you double for them! If not, I'll send them back. I have 250 round trip drive that I do on a regular basis and I know exactly what kind of mileage my car gets under various conditions on that drive. I could tell very quickly what, if any, difference your plugs make. If I see a big gain in fuel mileage, they're worth the extra cost to me.

Well, we have been tested by Oakridge National Labs, we have been tested by the government, we have sent out 100's of free plugs for testing. We have the dyno runs to prove what we say. How bout you buy a set, and if they don't do what we claim, we buy them back. If they do what we claim, send us a letter to use on our website, and we will send you another set at dealers cost.
As always when outrageous claims are made for a product, the question is: If this product can make such a difference in horsepower and fuel efficiency, why aren't car companies knocking down your door to get them???

I would have to say that is because when Harley wanted to put them in all their new bikes, they wanted to control and own the process. and they did not want to pay a fair price for it.
We are in the process of being tested by the EPA, and when those results are back, I will post them.
Tell you what I will do, I will show these posts to the man who can answer the questions with clarity, and hopefully to you satisfaction. If not, well... some people refused to believe in the telephone too!

[Goldenguy]

Hmm.. sounds spooky, but you can't really tell without testing them first.

If any other people test them and find something good, then maybe I will shell out a bit of dough.

[Bnystrom]

We are in the process of being tested by the EPA, and when those results are back, I will post them.
Tell you what I will do, I will show these posts to the man who can answer the questions with clarity, and hopefully to you satisfaction.
Please do, on both counts.

BTW, where are the results from all the testing you claim to have done? The Results link on your website goes nowhere. How about posting the complete reports, so people can read them and interpret the results for themselves.

If not, well... some people refused to believe in the telephone too!
And some people will believe anything...