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holy ****... check out the dude with the bazooka in the back !!

i got this from the news update on yahoo.com


sheesh.. I wouldnt want to have to fight those guys...

damn I feel sorry for the US soldiers sticking their balls out in the air to fight those guys over in iraq...


damn.

the short one in front looks about 12 yo
what a bunch of f*cking cowards
I thought only their b*tches had to cover their faces
oh wait, they are some b*tches

Yea, it sucks for our guys to have to go in harms way, they've got some pretty big guns... fotunately I think the advantage is on our side:

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As much as I don't want to get shot I wouldn't be that afraid of the guys in that pic. Those guns probably haven't been cleaned in over a year, the ammo is probably old, they probably have little to no military training ............ Just because they have guns doesn't mean they know how to fight. There is alot more to shooting than pointing and pulling the trigger. If the weapons aren't cared for properly they might as well be a really cool paper weight. Our military is among the best trained and best equiped in the world if we aren't #1.

Hell, they probably bought the guns from Walmart.com

A bullet is a bullet, doesnt matter how much training the guy has had. My freinds fiance was riding in a humvee when a mine exploded recently, so all you guys over there... keep your heads down! Come home safe.

A bullet is a bullet, doesnt matter how much training the guy has had.
It does if they can't hit you with that bullet. I've hadled both an M16 and AK-47 and while they aren't difficuly weapons to handle it isn't easy to hit what you want if you haven't spent a good amount of time training with the particular rifle.

It does if they can't hit you with that bullet. I've hadled both an M16 and AK-47 and while they aren't difficuly weapons to handle it isn't easy to hit what you want if you haven't spent a good amount of time training with the particular rifle.

Not necessarily true. My first time at the range with the M-16 (law enforcement variation XM15E2S) I was 92% accurate at 100 yards. I shot competition in college, but that was with .22 bolt action rifles, not assault rifles, so I guess you could say it was my first time.

Your story is a little different being a prior competitive shooter. I wouldn't expect those results from the average joe. How big of a target were you shooting at at the 100 yard range?

they are both easy to shoot,yes. But when we the Corpsman are over there all we get is a phukin 9MM. That leads me to another thing that bothers me half of the pictures you see on T.V., internet or whatever arent even marines and soldiers, they are the Navy Corpsmen that take care of all there asses when they are shot/hurt whatever, so back to what bothers me is, all these reporters are so eager to say look at all these marines/soldiers. Cant we get some love too. Remember Iwo Jima Yup a Corpsman was there also, did he get any love....nope And yes all those weapons up top look great but that is not what we are using now is it. we used them for a couple of months then said lets go in to urban warfare (which by the way we suck at) due to geneva conventions. I say screw geneva conventions if the people we are fighting dont abide by them anyway. Its not like we are going to be fighting anyone that carries a sticking geneva convention card anyway...that my friends is my $.02. Sorry man but 100 yards isnt anything we train to shoot these at 100,300,500 and 1000 yards accurately.

the short one in front looks about 12 yo
what a bunch of f*cking cowards
I thought only their b*tches had to cover their faces
oh wait, they are some b*tches

by the same token speial ops, SWAT, etc are b*tches too? :confused: :D btw ninjas fall under the same category :D

and i'm with str8ballerz about urban warfare. there is no military no matter how well trained and equiped that can boast a winning record when it comes to urban warfare or fighting againsta gorillas

Of course you shoot up to 1000 yards, you damn well better or you'll be in trouble in a combat zone. I was just saying that the weapon can be fired well in its first use, having no familiarity on that weapon, that's all.

2GTS, we used human sillouette targets.

in my mind, if you have to use a mask while you're doing what you beleive in, then your cause is that of a criminal. that was one of my main issues with them when they killed nick berg. they also could have done it a little bit cleaner. its one thing to kill someone, its another to murder them in cold blood like they are a cow thats up for slaughter.
had they felt that their was justice in what they did, they wouldnt have been wearing masks, and they would have beheaded him more formally.

I might be on my way there.. those guys.. Blah. These are the things that have my back :cool:

javalin
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Bradly with 20mm.. awesome
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my best freind.. the m16 w/203
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All your tank belong to us
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Steel Rain
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screw those cowards..... :abovelol: your arse is mine.!!

Is just time to leave them alone

US forces should get the F^@K out of Iraq
since they dont want them there

Now I have thought about this one long and hard. Lets say we do leave Then what happens, they are going to reassemble another terrorist faction and who are they coming for, the U.S. Now I agree that we should be leaving there, but I also think that it is too soon. There has to be some form of govt. before we even think of leaving Iraq. When will that happen probably not for a long time. The U.S. and coalition will be there for at least a couple of years,and then we will be babysitting them forever....

by the same token speial ops, SWAT, etc are b*tches too? :confused: :D btw ninjas fall under the same category :D

and i'm with str8ballerz about urban warfare. there is no military no matter how well trained and equiped that can boast a winning record when it comes to urban warfare or fighting againsta gorillas
I get your point about them covering their faces (ninjas are kewl), but atleast the SWAT team ain't out posing for pictures and holding their gats like a bunch of d*cks. SWAT does their job and gets the f*ck outta dodge. BTW: S.W.A.T would have been a much better movie had it not been limited to a PG-13 rating.

My thoughts:

Iraq was never a direct threat as the reason was stated for our troops to be killed.

Now, we are there and we are getting killed every day.

I am 22 years old, my parents always told me to be lucky I didn't grow up in their era as they had to deal with vietnam... Now, lets compare the two.


Vietnam: A non declared, non santionced police action in a sovergn state.
Iraq: hmm seems familiar

Vietnam: Air.Sea, and Ground weapons proved to not be as useful as we thought since the enemy was hiding everywhere.
Iraq: ditto

Vietnam: We sent thousands of troops on foot into viet kong territory to try to contain the enemy using "jungle and urban warfare"
Iraq: replace jungle for desert

Vietnam: The enemy used any and all resources to kill us. Women, children, gorilla warfare.
Iraq: Uhm how about attacking the back of a supply chain from a truck?? or having "That 12 year old with a m16 in the top picture"

Vietnam: We were promised to be out within 6 months with a peacful solution, finally pulling out after 5 years of death and destruction
Iraq: Well, we're workin on it huh?

Vietnam: The country was split right down the middle of supporters of the "war" and people who thought it was a moronic ideal to stop communism
Iraq: The country is split right down the middle of supporters of the "war" and people who think it is a moronic ideal to get some oil.

shall I go on?

all I am saying is I support the troops that are over there, I want them all to come home safe, but enough is enough. I def. think that this president is killing our troops for absolutely no reason. We are over there, our tactics are not working. We need to WIN this "war". so, either pull out or kill them all.

shawn :/

Now I have thought about this one long and hard. Lets say we do leave Then what happens, they are going to reassemble another terrorist faction and who are they coming for, the U.S. Now I agree that we should be leaving there, but I also think that it is too soon. There has to be some form of govt. before we even think of leaving Iraq. When will that happen probably not for a long time. The U.S. and coalition will be there for at least a couple of years,and then we will be babysitting them forever....


i don't think that will work. maybe i'm wrong. but just look at the history: korea, vietnam, afghanistan (for soviet union), chechnya for russia. and now afghanistan and iraq for the US. all those wars and conflicts have lasted for years or are still going on. none have ended with a desirable outcome. the choice are still the same now as they were back then: leave them alone or try to enforce the law (very loosely used term). and if the US pick the latter then it kinda goes against the whole idea behind going there (the official one...not gonna touch the oil subject here) since in essance one opressor (saddam) has been replaced by another (the US or the US backed puppet government). you may counter this with "but we'll make sure we don't opress them..." to which i say it's still considered an occupation. and noboy is ever happy to have their country occupied no matter how noble the occupiers claim their cause is (which is mostly just loud words most of the time anyways and not the real reasons for being there)

EDIT: forgot to add the thoughts on the coalition....who is all left?? more and more pull their troops out.

I def. think that this president is killing our troops for absolutely no reason. We are over there, our tactics are not working. We need to WIN this "war". so, either pull out or kill them all.

agreed.

Iraq was never a direct threat.

disagree. they are the threat, they as being "terrorists" in general brought the war to us, hence 9-11. Question being how do you kill terrorists that are all over the world. You go to where they are BRED and kill them.

All in all I am in agreeance with your statements, mostly frustrated at the whole situation.

hell yev, I dont think it will work either, And history has proven that.. nicely said by the way.

"Iraq was never a direct threat as the reason was stated for our troops to be killed. "

AS THE REASON WE STATED.

we stated Iraq was a direct threat because of weapons of mass destruction, not because they were terrorists, not because they were harboring terrorists, not because they supported terrorits. Iraq was supposed to be about Saddam and his WMD, nothing else...

If Bush had said, we are going there to get those damned terrorists, then I would have a tad bit more respect for his administration, but he used the fear of death in a time where we were all afraid to get his way. Thats a pussy *** way to do things.

shawn :)

Iraq was never a direct threat.

disagree. they are the threat, they as being "terrorists" in general brought the war to us, hence 9-11. Question being how do you kill terrorists that are all over the world. You go to where they are BRED and kill them.

All in all I am in agreeance with your statements, mostly frustrated at the whole situation.
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thanks for the complements....hehe this thread is gonna get nice and fat soon :) but regarding the quote above......yes the only way to go after the terrorists that are all over the world is to go into the countries that support them. a perfect example is afghanistan. iraq not so much though....there were a bunch of reports that confirmed that there was little to no connection between saddam and al qaeda. if remember correctly, most of those who carried out the 9-11 attacks were from saudi arabia. why not go there or at least put some pressure on the saudi government? i don't see that happening any time soon. in other words, i can think of at least half a dozne countries off the top of my head that are very well known to have supported terrorists or if not supporting them have a lot of them within their borders and don't deal with them well or at all. there's a very strong case to be made here about bush going into iraq for revange or oil. i won't argue those points but if you think about what i wrote above ask why iraq and not malasia or pakistan ?

tired of the Bush bashing

nobody on this board is going to win a debate over politics

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I don't like Bush all that much but that is a perfect example of what I think of Kerry. That guy has more waffles in his voting record than all the IHOPs in the world have serverd.

This would be an excellen year for a third party president... too bad no-one (other than nader) has the balls (or money) to try it. Two party political systems are stupid. I think life would be much better with a viable 3rd party (or 4 or 5, etc.)

Now I know what was said 1) welcome to politics 2) how much media have you heard about wmd since all this **** started (other than last night), just about none. It was all bull-****. Think of all the other countries that have wmd , N Korea, China, Russia and they all hate us anyway.
You want to know what I really think, I think its form of population control. look at past history we go to war just about every couple decades or so. You here about all the americans killed in all those wars but you dont see numbers on every one else. I think this time it is ten-one, Plus among all this war **** the military is downsizing....tremondously, almost 90,000 for the navy by Sept. then what is going to happen. we will be spread to thin. so just bow your head and pray for them.

thats a funny picture hatchetman, no one ever wins in politics,or religion, every one has there own opinion based on how you interpret things said/or written.

i'm russian and i'm not a hater :)

your killin me yev. :bowdown: nothing meant by that.

oh no problem, and you can get up from your knees :) i didn't take it as a personal attack at all..actually didn't even come off as offensive to me till you posted your reply ;)

O.k. well I thought this might come up here in XD.....speaking from experence...yes we should be there.....concidering I was there in the begining(Oct 02-Aug 03)and missing my son being born last year ( I was at Bagdad Airport) I was out on a mission with my unit checking on a base in Karbala and after we were enroute back to base we went thru some of the towns, I remeber seeing lil kids not much older than my daughter(shes 5) holdong signs in english saying.... "Thank you USA"....people giving me cigeretts,candy, and stuff we get easily and any store...without anything in return...when the statue of sadam was torn down I was there.....I saw Iraqi people comming up to us and thanking us(in broken english)..one time while out on check point a father of 3 came by and had tea brought to us when I had gave his family some stuff sent to me by my family and sat down and talked about how his life was better with what we did....I also was in Falujia(forgive the spelling error) for a month...THAT was hell....I have lost a few friends when I was there,allmost lost 2 guys I knew in a night attack that killed a reporter in the process....as for the attacks going on now...they are not done by Iraqi's mostly....I have seen reports before I left about what has been going on with the borders of Iraq..there are merc's mostly...my best friend whose over there now just lost 2 friends in a fire fight, one he knew for a year and a half...saw the person on my way home when I left the army in Ga last year.....as for what the people say about how we should pull out :stupid: ...to the people that support our troops :thumbsup: ...one thing most people seem to forget is BECAUSE of what theses people are doing now, we have the rights to do what we want....oh yeah just to let you guys know I was a crewmember on a modified Bradley.....and its a 25mm main gun not a 20

First of all to :bowdown: Hyundia_90250 I just want to say thank you for what you did and are doing and am glad that you made it back safely. Whenever my wife sees someone in uniform or if she finds out that they have been in the service, she always thanks them, it makes me proud of her.

As far as Iraq goes...war sucks. That's about all you can really say for it, sometimes war is for a good reason, and then other times it is nothing more than far beyond pointless. Was the US justified into going into Iraq like we did? I think we were, we had the support of over 80+ countries going into this. We have lost a few, Spain for example, but look at what they are doing in their own country..they are now fighting Terrorism, maybe not in the world sense, but they have cracked down seriously on it.

WMD - What about the Saren gas that was just used the other day? What about the Mustard gas that happened a few weeks ago? Where are the stories about those?

While on the topic of WMD - let's say that we never even found a single canister of anything...would the removal of Hussein be worth the monetary cost for the lives that were saved? Even though these people are not Americans, do they not deserve the right to life just as everyone else? What about the mass graves?

As far as the lives of OUR soldiers, I think 1 is too many, but when you go into a country and try and save it by not levelling every single man, woman, and child...as cold as this sounds...then there is going to be casualties...I say a prayer for these soldiers and the families they left behind, but I'll be DAMNED if their deaths are going to be in vain.

Prison Photos:

First of all, why would anyone take pictures of that? Who would order something that stupid? This is a group of 7 - 30 people who were stupid. They have damaged the reputation of the US as far as most who just read the headlines and who only have state-run news agencies. But, you have to keep in mind that we have over 135,000 troops who are doing the right thing, people just like Hyundia_90250. It's sad that so few people can destroy singlehandedly what the others have worked so hard and given so much to.

The US Senate needs to stand up and say "This is not America. These people should be treated to the fullest extent and to possibly be deported from the US permanently." Plus, no one wants to see those other pictures that aren't released, we've got mud on our face, do you have to really see the pictures in order to know wrong has been done and that we need to find out where this leads? I agree that if Rumsfeld or Bush knew about this then they need to be out the door that afternoon.

If you want to see some pictures of Iraq, then check this out link (http://www.glennbeck.com/picsfromiraq/index.shtml) this will show you what 99.9% of the troops over in Iraq are doing.

Other Countries:

There are other countries that are harbors for terrorism, but also with Iraq it shows that we have the capability of removing a strong dictator in less than a month. We tore through that country, and it made others take note. Pakistan has been helping with finding terrorist. Saudi Arabia has been attacked (and they have always given money and looked the other way) now they are starting to crack down. Jordan just had a scare with the possiblity of 80,000 dead. 80,000 and we lost 3,000+!!! The region is going through a change like they have never seen...people fight change and that's what we are seeing at the moment.

We must be willing to stay. To me this coming election is not about the economy, it's not about the environment, but it IS about safety to me. I can always find a job, but I can't if I'm dead from another attack. Unfortunately to me Bush is the one who can keep us on the path, so I choose the lesser of the evils.

We should have let the UN run the war:

The UN had 11 years to get Iraq into shape, did they do it? No, the Food For Oil program is nothing more than a way for the UN to line their own pockets. The UN has had plenty of time to try and fix itself, but it is not doing anything. This whole planet has become complacent. The UN has become a joke and needs to be replaced. What did the UN do when we were attacked on 9/11? If I remember correctly they flew a few planes around for a few days.

Parting note - if this war was for oil...then why are gas prices at $2.00 + a gallon? Also, keep looking in the news, an Iraqi council is going to the UN about lifting sanctions.

PS - Thanks for letting me vent a little, I feel better

Thanks butterbean....... :bowdown: .....I think you got it right(and defently about the gas prices GEEZ)...as for the international community....there are as likely targets as the U.S....this is a world problem...the "United Nations" :bs: ...if they had the power they would have done it a long time ago....and we should have done this the first time we went and kicked his ***...but the U.N. is nothing but a joke....so who does that leave us but the good old U.S. to hopefully come out of this....oh and butterbean I agree 1 life is too much too loose....I was once called a "hero" by my wife and friends...No I'm not a "hero"...I did my job,the heros are the ones that didn't come back the same way I did....heros gave there lives.

O.k. well I thought this might come up here in XD.....speaking from experence...yes we should be there.....concidering I was there in the begining(Oct 02-Aug 03)and missing my son being born last year ( I was at Bagdad Airport) I was out on a mission with my unit checking on a base in Karbala and after we were enroute back to base we went thru some of the towns, I remeber seeing lil kids not much older than my daughter(shes 5) holdong signs in english saying.... "Thank you USA"....people giving me cigeretts,candy, and stuff we get easily and any store...without anything in return...when the statue of sadam was torn down I was there.....I saw Iraqi people comming up to us and thanking us(in broken english)..one time while out on check point a father of 3 came by and had tea brought to us when I had gave his family some stuff sent to me by my family and sat down and talked about how his life was better with what we did....I also was in Falujia(forgive the spelling error) for a month...THAT was hell....I have lost a few friends when I was there,allmost lost 2 guys I knew in a night attack that killed a reporter in the process....as for the attacks going on now...they are not done by Iraqi's mostly....I have seen reports before I left about what has been going on with the borders of Iraq..there are merc's mostly...my best friend whose over there now just lost 2 friends in a fire fight, one he knew for a year and a half...saw the person on my way home when I left the army in Ga last year.....as for what the people say about how we should pull out :stupid: ...to the people that support our troops :thumbsup: ...one thing most people seem to forget is BECAUSE of what theses people are doing now, we have the rights to do what we want....oh yeah just to let you guys know I was a crewmember on a modified Bradley.....and its a 25mm main gun not a 20
Thank you for your service!

Does anyone know how many people here are Active Duty anyway?? I think vabeach is, Hyundai_90250, and I am, I also think there is a canadian soldier on this forum that was just deployed. Are there any more??

I will be soon.... getting called up from National Gaurd

I am in the reserves activated right now in the balkans. probably going to iraq next year when i get home from this place.