engine swap

[eLantrabumb]

:confused: does anyone know if i can put any version lancer evolution engine in my 02 XD??? i heard something about it just recently at a mod show in LA... but maybe i'm dreamin. anyways it would be really cool because there are a lot of wrecked evos in so-cal with low millage engines/ :confused:

[ilanpro]

you can on the older Elantras. but I think is possible

http://www.lovehorsepower.com/images/Gtech_March27_2004/EVO_Engine.jpg

[4mynikka]

look up dangahboi, he's done it.... he's got a 93 i think

Here:

http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1492&page=1&pp=20

[ilanpro]

here you go
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33615&item=7970568135&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

[eLantrabumb]

:jerkit: hmmmmm... for 650 a local recking yard can drop me a 4G63 newly recked, just think of the possiblilites. mmmmmmm lots of power for the money thats for sure, the only problem would be finding a trany, maybe i could use one off of a regular mitsubishi lancer. hmmm... i can get one of those bad boys for like 300. hmmm... any thoughts anyone? should i do it? lots of more power yes bueno??? :halm:

[Ruffsaidthecat]

:jerkit: hmmmmm... for 650 a local recking yard can drop me a 4G63 newly recked, just think of the possiblilites. mmmmmmm lots of power for the money thats for sure, the only problem would be finding a trany, maybe i could use one off of a regular mitsubishi lancer. hmmm... i can get one of those bad boys for like 300. hmmm... any thoughts anyone? should i do it? lots of more power yes bueno??? :halm:
I thought the same company that make mitsubishi trannies is the same a the hyundai company. Couldn't you check the part number and match an engine to the tranny? I know the diff on the elantra is the same part number as the diff on the front of the awd eclipse. Althought the earlier elantras had the mitsi engines and that made them easy swaps, but I think it will require a bit more work on the newer elantras.

[evan938]

be a lot of work and $ to get that to work in an XD.

buy a turbo for an XD and you know itll work

[nogo2.0]

it would be cool to do an awd set up just what about the rear axle!!

[DocRxGLS]

I thought I read somewhere (on here) that the rear diff has a place to accept another driveshaft, however, I do not believe the undercarriage would support it without being modified.

[eLantrabumb]

:smiley_ab well i'll get back to you guys in about twenty years when i'm finished with the swaP

[eLantrabumb]

I read this on a site that talks about swaps. "Mitsubishi Evo 5 4G63
Mitsubishi Lancer Evos aren’t exactly thick on the ground but Adelaide Japanese Imports typically has a couple of Evo motors in stock.

This particular example is from an Evolution 5, which was released in 1998. The E5 engine is essentially the same as the E4’s with relatively large cams, lightweight pistons (providing an 8.8:1 static compression ratio), a straight-runner intake manifold and a standard metal head gasket. The biggest difference is the Evo 5 uses a slightly larger turbocharger and a tad more boost pressure. This results in 373Nm at 3000 rpm along with a claimed 206kW at 6500 rpm - but it’s more like 230kW.

And the price?

Well, this low kilometre Evo 5 engine is being sold together with a wiring loom, sensors and associated ECU – all for AUD$5800. Bob says these are popular for conversions into local Lancers, Mirages and 4G-series powered Hyundais.

An Evo Hyundai? Now there’s a cool conversion!"http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3736&stc=1

I can still dream!!! If only that evo 5 didn't sell on ebay a while back, they guy bought it for like 574$ or something, rediculous.

[KeWLKaT]

...... read carefully

he's sayin 4g-powered hyundais. Referring to early hyundai models with real 4g mitsu engines in them, like the post 1996 elantra, sonata, etc...

[OPZ]

Well if that mistu engine in the elantra in ilan's second pic is an older elantra, other then the mounts not lining up, shouldnt it work since theres more room in the engine bay of the XD/XD2?

[KeWLKaT]

yes, but here's the problem:

since the motor mounts don't line up you will have to weld some stuff yourself, which, if you get your vehicle inspected, does NOT PASS for sure, unless the inspector is your mom or something in those lines...

so crazy swaps like these are usually done on non-street cars... but i'm supposing elantrabumb actually rolls this car in the street as a daily driver so he cannot afford to fail inspection...

[evan938]

thats an evo in ilans pic. look @ the front end

they can be in street cars. hell nick (dweet) has/had a 4g63t 95 elantra, and it was quick as hell (i rode in it). doing a crazy swap in a new elantra is gonna be too much time/money

[KeWLKaT]

^^^^

OMG evan did you not read what i wrote

EARLY elantras already have mitsu 4g30 engines in them. They have the exact same locations for motor mounts as the 4g63t, which is the weapon of choice for swapping mitsu engines.

PRESENT elantras have hyundai engines, in which the mounts are totally different.

Swapping an engine and modifying the mount locations=ILLEGAL on the street.

thats all :)

[evan938]

wow. im glad that with all the time ive been on this board, you still think im an idiot

what im saying, is that they can still be street legal. and maybe you want to check into laws. ohio = no inspections. mount the engine upside down, it wont be illegal.

i KNOW that hyundai is powered by their own engines now. im just stating a simple fact that cars w/ swaps can still be legal

[DocRxGLS]

Some auto parts websites give an engine code when selecting stuff, like Sparkplugs.com (http://www.sparkplugs.com/Default.asp). There is a code of G4CP for my 03' GLS. LOL, I thought I remebered it saying something like 4G or something..... :rolleyes: I must be getting dyslexia.

[Cypher]

not only that the mits engine transmission is on the oppisite side of ours in the XD. its on the left whilst ours is on the right.

[KeWLKaT]

ohio = no inspections

evan, there are inspections everywhere. I am not talking about the same inspections as the yearly ones and such. When you change the engine of your car, you must get it inspected to get it approved by the group in charge of automotive insurance/lisences/plates in your state (here it's called Societe d'assurance automobile du Quebec, or SAAQ).

If they don't inspect/approve your swap, which will NOT happen in the case of ghetto rigged different engine mount location swaps, when you get into an ACCIDENT, and your engine doesn't drop to the ground like it's supposed to by the rules of DOT, you are in ****. In japan and korea they don't have the DOT, so they can swap whatever the hell they want and not be in trouble.

So, say, you swapped the mitsu engine in your car... Welded adaptors for the mounts or whatnot... Get into a frontal accident with another car... Your engine flys off of your car and smacks the other driver in the face... YOU will get SUED BIG TIME (esp. i know that you americans are fond of sueing people).

On the other hand, if you make your swap and remain street illegal but don't get into such an accident you're safe. This is another one of those case where thay say: it's not illegal unless you get caught.

You know what i mean? And bro, trust me, i know you're not an idiot, but you are hard-headed :)

[h2opunk182]

screw an engine swap and wait a few years.. my friends aunt works for hyundai us in the offices.. and she told us that there is.. dont quote me on this.. an awd lantra to compete w/ the evo, in the works. Hyundai is slowley starting to come into the import market w/ the accent sr, and all the add on mods that you can find at most dealerships now. and the awd lantra is currently on the drawing board as an future idea

[evan938]

they wont do anything to an elantra. the tib is the hyundai sports car, the elantra is the economy good gas car. it wont happen

[Vampyrate]

but, if we demand it enough and make it a worldwide want (not just america) the consideration will move into the concept stage, and from there AWD cars are always wanted more than front or rear wheel drive due to weather conditions in certain areas. AWD would be great in the desert or snow... not to mention mud, so you have all of america and most of canada and europe covered just with those three conditions. that and subaru, is huge in australia from what ive heard from a few of my aussie friends from back home.

[evan938]

AWD isnt always great in snow. my buddy a few houses down has an evo, and last year when we had some TERRIBLE snow storms, i pulled up to him @ a light, asked him "hows that AWD doing in this ****?" ...."TERRIBLE. I can't get traction for ****".. AWD is good in a truck/suv w/ a lot of weight, but isnt always good in a car. RWD is even worse..ugh

[g35doc]

AWD isnt always great in snow. my buddy a few houses down has an evo, and last year when we had some TERRIBLE snow storms, i pulled up to him @ a light, asked him "hows that AWD doing in this ****?" ...."TERRIBLE. I can't get traction for ****".. AWD is good in a truck/suv w/ a lot of weight, but isnt always good in a car. RWD is even worse..ugh

That's because the evo comes with summer tires.

[Vampyrate]

bingo... and its not that hard to throw some subs into a car for weight (which he might have). and maybe a sandbag or two couldnt hurt.

[KeWLKaT]

AWD isnt always great in snow. my buddy a few houses down has an evo, and last year when we had some TERRIBLE snow storms, i pulled up to him @ a light, asked him "hows that AWD doing in this ****?" ...."TERRIBLE. I can't get traction for ****".. AWD is good in a truck/suv w/ a lot of weight, but isnt always good in a car. RWD is even worse..ugh

evan, do i even need to say anything?

look at sig below and have proof :D :bowdown: :D :bowdown: :abovelol:

[Estopatitiana]

they wont do anything to an elantra. the tib is the hyundai sports car, the elantra is the economy good gas car. it wont happen

uh, then why did they make a GT version of the elantra

[KeWLKaT]

they also made a gt version of the accent, and the tibby :D

so that doesnt mean anything, estoiopaniatiniata.

[evan938]

lets try this. what did the EGT come w/ that really qualifies as "performance"? a 15mm swaybar and a "sport tuned suspension" which still sucks. everything else the GT came w/ was apperance. alloy wheels, fog lights, TCS, ABS, leather interior. those dont really say "sporty" to me. a stock car to GT good example is a mustang. stock LS mustang (or whatever they're called base model) has a v6. the GT gets bumped up to a v8. then the mach 1 goes up to a more powerful v8, cobra to a SC v8. GLS to GT in an elantra is not performance based, its "charge more for simple things" based IMO

and come on. you act like thats a stock car. thats a rally spec car, that probably has at least 100k dropped into it w/ a professional driver behind the wheel, and a guy in the passenger seat telling him when every turn is coming up

[KeWLKaT]

eh.....

evan thats not my point, try to pull that with a fwd car... IMPOSSIBLE

thank you have a nice day :D

and THEN start saying awd has less traction LOL

[evan938]

I didnt say "AWD sucks in snow" or "AWD gets ****ty traction". what i said was "AWD is not ALWAYS great in snow" with a light weight car, AWD isnt going to help very much.

[Estopatitiana]

my point is that i dont see any reason why hyundai would not make the elantra awd...they decided to make the new accent to compete with scion(imo the accent is about as weak and economical as you can get)..other car companies make suposed family midsize cars into "sports cars"...like the super high out put taurus v8. and spell my name right kewlekat, damn...just kidding

[evan938]

...iirc, the SHO taurus has a v6 24v yamaha motor in it

[05xd]

...iirc, the SHO taurus has a v6 24v yamaha motor in it

Actually,I think the late 90's one had a small v8 in them.Not too many made though

[Estopatitiana]

the 99 model has a 3.4l v8 in it

[evan938]

Ill look into it. i was askin a guy about his when i was delivering pizzas and i couldve swore he told me it was a v6 yamaha motor in it. maybe it was one certain year.

[05xd]

Yea,you are right about the yamaha motor.That was in the 93-94 i think..not too sure bout the year.The later sho had the v8

[eLantrabumb]

so yeah i have checked all the specs dimesnions etc. etc... and if i really wanted to California DMV law allows for an engine swap as long as the engine that you are putting in the car meets the smog requirements for the year of your car... not the smog requirements for hoses and mounts and stuff, the only smog that has to pass is the actual emissions. and i talked to my local hyundai dealer, the manager actaully swaped and evo8 into his I4 tib. and he said it isnt that hard to adjust the mounts and re-alighn the tranny. but he spent 4,500 $ on his swap... so i think im just going to upgrade the Beta 1. haha. but it works.

hopefully one day i will get these parts...
cams
pistons heads and rods bored to 83mm
cam sprokets and gears
underdrive pulley
port and pollish:TB, intake man., heads, and racing exhaust manifold
MSD ignition
Walbro pump
racing radiator
stage 3 clutch kit
short shifter
... i wonder how much whp that would be

[cclngthr]

I have done engine swaps and fabricated motor mounts before with no problems. Around here at least, the only inspection is a biannual sniff test.