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PSUsouthpaw
03-24-2006, 11:00 PM
for an 04 Elantra auto to take on a 04 Mustang v6 manual at the track? Anyone know roughly what kind of times the mustang is looking at running stock? I have a friend back home who spent 19k on a brand new v6 and now talks loads of trash how he's faster than everyone else. So I kinda want to take him down to shut him up. I'm wondering if anyone knows offhand what kind of times he's looking at running (he sucks at shifting) and what kind of extra stuff I'd need to level the field (have exhaust, intake, plugs. etc.)

I also may go up against another friend in a 99 Malibu v6 and one with a Caprice police interceptor package v8...he's fast but his car is heavy!

Thanks guys!

hyunelan2
03-24-2006, 11:03 PM
Well, for that caprice interceptor, you'll need a jet turbine strapped to the roof. The mustang v6 is also going to be a reach, but maybe with enough Nitrous? Dunno, having the auto limits your power to a max of about 200hp before the trans lets go.

korai9989
03-24-2006, 11:05 PM
mustang v6 is alright, but if it isn't an 8, he can't talk smack. i have a friend with a newer cobra, beautiful car.

2loud2k2xd
03-24-2006, 11:09 PM
throw a 100 shot of nitrous. the v6's are slow..well almost as slow as the elantras. 3.6ltr stang, without decent tires and maby a bad driver you might tie/loose by a little. with spray, you should beat him.

03SilverBullet
03-25-2006, 04:26 AM
You have no chance against the caprice police interceptor, haha I would laugh at you if your tried to race me in a elantra if I had that caprice. As for the v6 ford, with enough work to your car you could take him.

PSUsouthpaw
03-25-2006, 07:05 AM
Hehe. I'm not planning on going up against that interceptor in the Elantra. If I did he'd probably respond "nice try, but you can make it quicker. He was the guy that helped get me into modding way back at the begining, so we're just friends in a perpetual P****ing contest. When the Fiero swap is complete, we might tie off evenly. AS for that mustang, getting him to the track would be the hard part...guy is a real P**** and rarely backs up half the stuff he says.

2loud2k2xd
03-25-2006, 09:44 AM
i have beaten v6 stangs w/my xd. of course i sprayed, but i beat her (some chick at work talking a bunch of ****) by a car + (she spun 1st and i was already gone). at the track when i ran my friends '90 5.0 convertable (dynoed 225whp and 260 wtq), i took him till the 60' mark, then when he hit 3rd, it was all over (i got smoked).

Cypher
03-25-2006, 10:44 AM
bah on v6 mustangs!

4.6L SOHC EFI V-8 260 hp @ 5250 RPM
302 lb-ft @ 4,000 RPM 6.0 sec N/A sec 14.7 sec @ 98 mph 139 mph

thats for a 4.6L V8 2004 mustang. with 260hp they only pull a 14.7!!! i'd say a v6 could hit mid to high 15s depending on the driver. i'd say at this point i'd give one a run for their money.

PSUsouthpaw
03-25-2006, 05:21 PM
14.7...wow...one of my friends GTPs will do that with just an intake...

What kind of mod list did you have Cypher? I have a few months to contemplate what I'm going to do about this guy, since I won't be back in PA until early June.

My main problem: Automatic transmission and semi-limited budget (Limited if I want to do other things in life than mod the Elantra...)

FordFasteRR
03-25-2006, 05:28 PM
you need wet nitrous kit.

lots of it.

enough to blow up the motor to beat him. lol

Also, you'll need a trans-oil cooler.

You'll want some stiffer springs and some good rubber to make it hook up on the launch.

A single stage, single fogger - 100 shot with a progressive controller should do it.

Start off at 50% and ramp up to 100% at 4000 rpms and youre golden.


Get a set of NGKBKR6E-11 spark plugs... those can handle the nitrous without melting. Make sure to run premium fuel for at least one full tank before you spray.

Get a bottle heater and a guage, heat up the bottle to at least 1000 psi before you race.

Good luck !

2loud2k2xd
03-25-2006, 05:39 PM
nitrous, nitrous, nitrous, nitrous...best damn bang for your buck :D

dayum ford, why did i have to go and get rid of mine? :( i had soooooo much fun with nitrous. :)

05TidalWave
03-25-2006, 05:49 PM
The V6 Stang is no joke.... And who knows what that guy has done to it. I've seen V6 Mustangs smoke GTs... I think he'll take you until, specially after you blow your motor. That Caprice, my wife has an 01 Malibu... Why is that 99 at the track? The Caprice will def take it.

PSUsouthpaw
03-25-2006, 05:51 PM
the v6 stang might have an intake at most. The malibu is another friend of mine who will most likely end up tagging along to the track with us and may just race...

tricked03gls
03-25-2006, 05:58 PM
u shouldnt have a ruff time beating the stang, go for the normal I/H/E maybe bore throttle body (switch the damn thing to a 5 speed) , and like the rest said maybe throw a 50shot in it shouldnt have a problem

BlkElntraDrvr
03-25-2006, 06:05 PM
Well, for that caprice interceptor, you'll need a jet turbine strapped to the roof. .



:abovelol: :abovelol: :abovelol: :abovelol: LMAO!

WytchDctr
03-25-2006, 08:09 PM
I have a freind who with a stock 4.0ltre mustang with an AUTO ran 15.3 all day long. Look for right around 15.0 from the 5spd. The newish 4.6 ran 14.3 and the new body mustangs can put it in the 13s on a good day. Your gonna need a nice N/a tune and 75shot to keep with/beat that stang. Good luck.

Cypher
03-25-2006, 11:31 PM
i'm sorry but i don't think a stock (or mostly stock) v6 mustang is something to fear. i'd run one in a heart beat. hell i'd run a gt. just because if the driver is a ****ing moron he'll spin the tires or something while i take off! the v6 is an underpowered car in my opinion.

PSUsouthpaw
03-26-2006, 12:04 AM
if the driver is a ****ing moron he'll spin the tires or something

Yes. He is a very big one. He bought the stang for 19k with the v6, sayijng he wanted a fast, nice looking car. What he won't tell anyone is that our friend matt (Interceptor) had found him a 99 GT 5 spd with 40k for $6500, cammed, exhaust, intake, etc. Mustang boy whined it was too much power, bought the 6 cylinder...and now whines he doesn't have enough power since the looks got boring.

His girlfriend arrived days after he bought the mustang...he drives it every time he goes to see her...even in icy weather...yet denies there's a connection here...in fact gets very loud and angry about it when we point this out...

His daily driver is a cavalier...he claims he wants to sell it and get an RSX-S...which will be faster than his precious Stang....so yeah..I want to beat him just for the fun of it.

OdessitPashka
03-26-2006, 01:50 AM
i'm sorry but i don't think a stock (or mostly stock) v6 mustang is something to fear. i'd run one in a heart beat. hell i'd run a gt. just because if the driver is a ****ing moron he'll spin the tires or something while i take off! the v6 is an underpowered car in my opinion.

Well said, and even a GT is underpowered IMO.

Your main problem is the tranny. With 5 sp and basic bolt ons you should be able to beat him, but auto will need some nitrous.

Cypher
03-26-2006, 07:38 AM
if that one car was that heavily modified then its likely the driver beat the hell outta the car ya know? probably a good thing he didn't buy it. i wouldn't buy a car thats been heavily modified for that reason. you never know how the previous owner treated the car

ArunSenior04
03-26-2006, 12:49 PM
Actually what you need is a high stall torque converter. A tc would raise the shifting points of your engine, allowing you to shift at the strong pts, like that of a manual. They take off anywhere from .5-1 sec off track times in other cars. Only 2 guys on here have them, but they havent track tested them. But from their response, the difference is amazing. It would be like having a perfect shifting 5sp, but in an auto.

Not to mention that it only costs $500 for level10 to do it. IMO, that is the best bang for the buck.

PSUsouthpaw
03-26-2006, 04:10 PM
Question about the high stall torque converter is how much will strain on the trans will it cause, and also how arduous of an install would it be, since the entire engine/axles and everything has to be removed to get at the tranny?

05xd
03-26-2006, 04:18 PM
Question about the high stall torque converter is how much will strain on the trans will it cause, and also how arduous of an install would it be, since the entire engine/axles and everything has to be removed to get at the tranny?
You will have to run a trans cooler for sure.It wont strain the trans as much as people think it will.You will notice a big difference with it though.As for install,you will have to drop the trans from the bottom.This requires the removal of the subframe assembly.Not too bad of a job.

CTele02
03-26-2006, 04:19 PM
I'd recommend upgrading your tranny AFTER your powertrain warranty is all used up since recently I'm having my whole tranny replaced (for free) on my 1yr old/ 19k mile car... now maybe mine was an extreme case but I'm happy I dont have to pay a dime! Also what warranty does level 10 offer on the work that they do?

Cypher
03-26-2006, 04:38 PM
i can't see a torque converter putting more strain on the engine and installing a torque converter is no harder than putting in a clutch. just takes some time is all.

WytchDctr
03-26-2006, 04:44 PM
Have you guys raced a non 3.8 v6 mustang? Those who say they are uber slow. There is a big diffrence in that .2 worth of motor.

Cypher
03-26-2006, 05:38 PM
4.0L SOHC V-6 210 hp @ 5250 RPM
240 lb-ft @ 3500 RPM 6.9 sec 19 sec 15.3 sec @ 91 mph 113 mph

thats the new 2005 mustang from mustangtuning.com. the newer ones have more power and still only pull a low 15. nuff said.

WytchDctr
03-26-2006, 06:15 PM
That.. would smoke even a nicly modded 5spd elantra.

Cypher
03-26-2006, 06:30 PM
just for that i'm going to make sure i hit 15.3 :p

WytchDctr
03-26-2006, 06:35 PM
The 3.8s that came to houston where in the low 16s at best.... big improvment. That would be stupid of ford to bring the v6 any closer to the v8 in the 1/4.

05TidalWave
03-26-2006, 07:27 PM
Like I said, that 6 is no joke. I drove an 04 wit hdual (actual dual) exhaust ... That was a bad car. But it was 15k and I only got approved for 13k. So I think the Elantra out the door final 12999 price was a good deal.