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: Barebones Sonata or Fully Loaded Elantra?



Poopsicle
11-26-2008, 05:14 AM
Which would you buy and why? It's a hard choice but I'm leaning towards the Sonata because it has the essentials that I need; cruise control, A/C, ABS, TCS, ESC. But the Elantra has the nice goodies and a nice stereo system. IT'S TOO HARD TO CHOOSE.

Barbones Sonata: ($18,700)

– 2.4L 4-cylinder
– 5-speed manual transmission
– Electronic Stability Control (ESC) with Traction Control System (TCS)
– Anti-lock Braking System (ABS)
– Tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS)
– Front active head restraints
– Front, front seat side and curtain airbags
– AM/FM/XM/CD player/MP3 audio system with iPod®/USB
– 16-inch steel wheels with full wheel cover
– Tilt steering wheel
– Remote keyless entry and alarm
– Power windows, locks, heated mirrors
– Cruise control
– Air conditioning




Fully Loaded Elantra: ($18,620)

- Electronic Stability Control (ESC) with Traction Control System (TCS) and Brake Assist
- Leather-wrapped steering wheel & shift knob
- 16” alloy wheels with P205/55R16 tires
- Steering wheel audio controls
- Trip computer
- Tilt and telescopic steering wheel
- Air conditioning
- Windshield shade band
- Fog lights
- Cruise control
- Dual front illuminated visor vanity mirrors
- Front sunvisor extensions
- 172-watt AM/FM/XM Satellite Radio/CD/MP3 audio system w/ 6 speakers, auxiliary input jack, and in-glass antenna
- 3 months of XM Radio service
- 2.0L DOHC CVVT 4-cylinder engine
- 5-speed manual transmission
- 4-wheel independent suspension
- Tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS)
- Front, front seat side-impact & side curtain airbags
- ABS with EBD and 4-wheel disc brakes
- Electric power steering
- Power windows/door locks/heated mirrors
- Remote keyless entry with alarm, panic, trunk open
- Map/room/cargo lights
- Tilt steering wheel
- 60/40 split fold-down rear seatback
- Active front head restraints
- Adjustable head restraints for all seating positions
- Tinted glass
- Front variable intermittent wipers
- Bodycolor door handles, bumpers, rear garnish, side view mirrors
- Front door map pockets
- Seatback pockets
- Chrome accented grille
- Dual-level storage compartment with armrest
- Dual front cupholders
- Rear center armrest with dual cupholders
- Cigarette lighter/ashtray
- 12 volt outlet
- Cabin air filter
- Blue backlight illumination
- Tachometer
- Remote hood, trunk and fuel filler door releases
- Power sunroof
- Heated front seats
- Leather seating surfaces

BobMs_wht2k2
11-26-2008, 07:44 AM
I have not driven a 5-spd Elantra SE yet, so I can't compare. BUT. . I loved the 5-spd Sonata.

only1db
11-26-2008, 07:52 AM
i have driven both....do you want a bigger car or a smaller one...its that easy...if you want a little more room...the sonata is the way to go.

i liked the 5spd sonata when i drove it...that definetly needs a set of springs though...the foward to backward roll is significant. but man the interior on the new sonatas are very nice!!

hyunelan2
11-26-2008, 07:54 AM
Typically, I would pick the lesser car with all features/options. But in this instance,. I think I pick Sonata. Theta > Beta.

It also comes down to what deals the dealer will do. Often, they will reduce the price more on a loaded car, than a barebones car. An old example is when my dad bought his '89 GMC Jimmy. He wanted a barebones no-frills Jimmy. The dealer ended up giving him a fully loaded (except for sunroof) Jimmy off of the lot, for the same cost it would have cost to order the barebones.

EDIT:
Feeding off of the comment above, Tirerack has the H&R springs (1.4"/1.3" drop F/R) for the Sonata at $159, Eibach for $209 (1.2" / 1.2") http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/Susptabl.jsp?autoMake=Hyundai&autoModel=Sonata+GLS+4cyl&autoYear=2008&autoModClar=&brand=all

only1db
11-26-2008, 07:57 AM
i dont think there really is a stripped down version is there....i mean they come with power everything and keyless...and all of the other stuff just a couple of different things are not there.

hyunelan2
11-26-2008, 08:01 AM
The list the OP posted above is for the GLS.

SE adds:
- 17-inch alloy wheels with 215/55R17 performance tires
- Fog lights
- 8-way power driver seat
- Steering wheel audio controls
- Driver seat adjustable lumbar support
- Automatic headlight control
- Trip computer
- Chrome window-belt moldings
- Metalgrain interior accents
- Leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob
- Leather bolster/cloth insert sport seats
- Tilt and telescopic steering wheel
- Rear lip spoiler
- Solar control glass

Limited adds:
- Leather seating surfaces
- Heated front seats with adjustable temperature control
- Dual-zone automatic temperature control
- Auto-dimming inside mirror with integrated digital compass
- HomeLink® integrated transceiver
- Chrome insert exterior door handles
- Premium door-sill scuff plates and Limited badge
- Chrome-insert bodyside and bumper moldings
- 6-disc CD changer with Infinity® speakers, subwoofer, and external amplifier (360 watts)
- 215/55R17 touring tires



But no, it's not a strippo crank-down-the-windows, AM only, no A/C barebones. Just none of the upper options.
TRIM COMPARISON (http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/sonata/trim/comparetrim.aspx)

only1db
11-26-2008, 08:04 AM
i would be cool with a gls

hyunelan2
11-26-2008, 08:06 AM
GLS is also the only trim level that comes with a MT. I do like that they have the 5-spd AT in all trims and engines now. Something about 4-spd ATs just seems antiquated.

only1db
11-26-2008, 08:11 AM
agree...although i would like to see a manual 3.3

Qyn
11-26-2008, 08:34 AM
Get the Sonata, you'll always regret getting a lower style of car. At least I would. And the Sonata in black is sex.

Munky
11-26-2008, 09:03 AM
Agree with all of the above. I bought an '09 Sonata GLS and I absolutely love it. Even the GLS, with the limited amount of features (compared to the SE and Limited, anyway) it's still better than the Elantra. The interior is immaculate, it's a nice, quiet ride, and the Theta engine blows the Beta out of the water.

Pictures here. (http://www.crookedh.com/munky/NF)

SuperGLS
11-26-2008, 10:14 AM
I agree about the Theta being better than the Beta. Because of that I'd go with the Sonata.



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2001GLS
11-26-2008, 10:23 AM
I'm biased but as somebody who has had both an Elantra & Sonata I can say I'd much rather have the base Sonata. You're getting a lot more value for your $$ in my opinion. It's a lot roomier vehicle, safer and on the highway gets almost the same mileage.

hyunelan2
11-26-2008, 10:32 AM
Math again.

Sonata GLS MT w/ 4cyl = 3,253 lbs, 175hp. 18.59 lbs/hp
Elantra SE MT w/ 4cyl = 2,723 lbs, 138hp. 19.73 lbs/hp

Winner again, Sonata.

jacob
11-26-2008, 11:50 AM
I'm going against the grain, and I'm biased because I have an Elantra SE. I'd get the Elantra over a base model Sonata.

I'd take a loaded Sonata over the Elantra any day, but I love having a sunroof. That was a big selling point for me.

UrbanerMezei
11-26-2008, 11:51 AM
The Sonata has more junk under the trunk, but the full loaded Elantra will have more interior features, heated seats, sun roof... crap like that...

Personally I'd go with the bigger engine, I have a fully loaded 07 Elantra, it's really nice inside but the engine is absolute junk compared to a Sonata... it can out run an Accent though...

NovaResource
11-26-2008, 12:18 PM
I'd take the Sonata because even bare bones it has a lot of options. Plus, the chain-driven Theta is a much better engine than the belt-driven Beta.

hyunelan2
11-26-2008, 12:21 PM
I thought the Theta was still belt? The Lambda is chain driven, but I thought I remembered a big to-do about the Theta because it had a belt, and the Lambda got a chain. I could be wrong.

NovaResource
11-26-2008, 12:25 PM
I thought the Theta was still belt? The Lambda is chain driven, but I thought I remembered a big to-do about the Theta because it had a belt, and the Lambda got a chain. I could be wrong.

Lambda = V6 = chain
Theta = I4 = chain

hyunelan2
11-26-2008, 12:28 PM
You're right, they are both chain driven. Maybe it was the Mu 2.7 I'm thinking of?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Theta_engine

BorgWarner Morse TEC supplies the complete set of timing system that uses the company's proprietary silent timing chains.

only1db
11-26-2008, 01:05 PM
the new MU 2.7 is still a belt...but the lambda's and theta motors (including 2.0t) are chain...so is the tau (4.6 v8)

2001GLS
11-26-2008, 01:13 PM
Something else just occurred to me. You should cross shop the base Sonata against the Kia Optima too, it is the corporate twin of the Sonata. It would probably cost a bit less yet has the same 2.4L engine and 5 speed transmission.

Poopsicle
11-26-2008, 01:15 PM
Something else just occurred to me. You should cross shop the base Sonata against the Kia Optima too, it is the corporate twin of the Sonata. It would probably cost a bit less yet has the same 2.4L engine and 5 speed transmission.

From what I read, everything about the Kia Optima are lower than the Sonata in terms of quality and engineering.


I'm biased but as somebody who has had both an Elantra & Sonata I can say I'd much rather have the base Sonata. You're getting a lot more value for your $$ in my opinion. It's a lot roomier vehicle, safer and on the highway gets almost the same mileage.

How are you getting more value for your money even if the Elantra has way more features than the Sonata?


i dont think there really is a stripped down version is there....i mean they come with power everything and keyless...and all of the other stuff just a couple of different things are not there.

I meant barebones as the lowest trim model with no options.

hyunelan2
11-26-2008, 01:31 PM
How are you getting more value for your money even if the Elantra has way more features than the Sonata?


Because you are getting a bigger/more-powerful/more-modern (engine)/better vehicle. If interior features and options are all you're concerned with, such as steerinwheel mounted radio controls, then this obviously isn't a debate anymore.

Munky
11-26-2008, 02:02 PM
I meant barebones as the lowest trim model with no options.

No such thing. The lowest trim is GLS, and it comes with tons of options.

Poopsicle
11-26-2008, 02:44 PM
No such thing. The lowest trim is GLS, and it comes with tons of options.

I think you're confused with "standard" and "options". Standard is what comes with the car. Options are things you can buy to add-on to the car from the manufacturer. According to the website, there are no options for the GLS 5-speed model.

Munky
11-26-2008, 03:12 PM
I think you're confused with "standard" and "options". Standard is what comes with the car. Options are things you can buy to add-on to the car from the manufacturer. According to the website, there are no options for the GLS 5-speed model.

Not exactly. What I meant to say was, there are many options that come standard. Everything you listed in the first post.

hyunelan2
11-26-2008, 03:44 PM
If it came standard, it wouldn't be an "option." Option = optionally on the car. Munky, I think the word you are looking for is "features." There are many "features" that come standard.

You are correct, there are no option packages available for the GLS MT. There are dealer installed accessories that are available though:
Mud Guards F&R ($85)
Cargo Mat ($95)
Cargo Net ($50)
Cargo Tray ($95)
Carpeted Floor Mats ($95)
Bluetooth Hands-free phone system ($325)

Munky
11-26-2008, 03:47 PM
If it came standard, it wouldn't be an "option." Option = optionally on the car. Munky, I think the word you are looking for is "features." There are many "features" that come standard.

That's the one! Sorry, I'm about 15 minutes away form a 4-day weekend, I've completely checked out. :tongue:

jacob
11-26-2008, 04:24 PM
Because you are getting a bigger/more-powerful/more-modern (engine)/better vehicle. If interior features and options are all you're concerned with, such as steerinwheel mounted radio controls, then this obviously isn't a debate anymore.

Mileage is better on the Elantra than the Sonata, which may be a deciding factor. However, the Sonata is blessed with more HP than the Elantra.

4cyl Sonata - 24.2 mpg city / 37.9 mpg highway
4cyl Elantra - 28.6 mpg city / 39.2 mpg highway

exdtuner
11-26-2008, 04:40 PM
Sonata

h8isgr8
11-27-2008, 06:17 PM
^ What he said.

Sorry to all HD owners, but the new Elantra is the ugliest Hyundai since the first gen tib. :thumbsdow

Pete03GLS
11-27-2008, 07:10 PM
says you, i happen to like the styling on it, throw some rims and springs on it, that thing is a looker.

jacob
11-27-2008, 07:15 PM
^ What he said.

Sorry to all HD owners, but the new Elantra is the ugliest Hyundai since the first gen tib. :thumbsdow

See, I think the XD is a car that would appeal to old people and definitely do not like the look of it. So there you go, to each his own.

Tommy
11-27-2008, 11:06 PM
Id rather get a slightly used, fully loaded sonata, but thats just me.

$16k fully loaded V6 with 13k miles (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2009-09-SONATA-LIMITED-V6-ONLY-13K-FACT-W-Y-NAVI-PKG-1_W0QQitemZ250329223532QQihZ015QQcategoryZ80747QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)


Or, you could probably find a fully loaded used elantra for even less.


Id never buy a brand new car. Ill gladly sacrifice the first few months of a cars life to someone else to save 15-20%

Cujo8me
11-30-2008, 12:27 AM
i've driven both and the only thing i have to say is the size differance.... the sonata felt like i was driving a boat while the elantra just felt like it was a bigger accent

CWLTT
11-30-2008, 12:58 AM
woot woot.

hyunelan2
11-30-2008, 11:19 AM
I think the hd is actually the third best hyundai right now, 1-Gen, 2-tibby, 3-HD, but that's my opinion, and I think you should get the HD and by a cheap yet nice nice package and deck it out yourself, don't get sloppy seconds.

2-Tiburon? Are you serious? It's a 6-year old design, and the dinosaur of the Hyundai fleet. It hasn't had more than facelifts since it came out in 2002, as an '03 model.

My biggest issue with the HD is that it's still using the Beta engine. If it had a 2.0 version of the Theta in it, I think I would think much more highly of it.

i8acobra
11-30-2008, 12:34 PM
I'd go with an Elantra SE (stick) with pkg. 4, spoiler, bluetooth and floormats. Only thing pkg. 7 adds is leather and I hate leather. Should be able to get it for $17,500. If not, you suck at the negotiating. :D

Although, keep in mind that Hyundai's still have horrible resale, so you could get a much better equipped Sonata if you're willing to look at 1 year old cars with less than 15K on them. I'm guessing there's gonna be a bunch (and Azeras) with the Genesis now being available. Lots of people are gonna upgrade.

'08 Azera, $17K: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2008-08-AZERA-LIMITED-ONLY-24K-FACT-W-Y-NAVI-SLVR-BLK_W0QQitemZ250331650328QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Trucks QQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=i tem250331650328&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1308

'08 Sonata SE, $13K: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2008-Hyundai-Sonata-SE_W0QQitemZ250306203649QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQ QddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=it em250306203649&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1318

'08 Azera, UNDER 500 miles, $14.5: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___LIMITED-FACTORY-WARRANTY-LUXURY-LIKE-NEW-NEW-SAVE-BIG_W0QQitemZ220320151871QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Trucks QQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=i tem220320151871&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1318

'09 Sonata Ltd., $17.5: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2009-Hyundai-Sonata-Limited-V6-No-Reserve-Demo_W0QQitemZ320321368959QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truck sQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash= item320321368959&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Qyn
11-30-2008, 02:37 PM
HD with Ixion kit?

CWLTT
11-30-2008, 02:59 PM
woot woot.

Fox
11-30-2008, 03:25 PM
so complain all you want, but it isnt going to do anything.
Hello... Hello? are we talking to the Hyundai USA CEO right now?

Get back on earth, the tib is still using the same engines, and still hasn't changed.
Using your super-scientifict-and-fact-based-law-of-vehicle-design, if a car is popular, we shouldn't change its look?. Go buy a 89 caravan.

BTW, i thought there was a tiburon replacement coming soon? i just don't remember the name.

CWLTT
11-30-2008, 04:46 PM
woot woot.

only1db
11-30-2008, 05:20 PM
there is no way i would buy a 22k tib when the gen coupe is due out and the 2.0t starts at 22k...sorry no thanks.

it is by far the oldest car....not to mention the newer models are butt ugly!

CWLTT
11-30-2008, 05:28 PM
HD with Ixion kit?

what does the ixion kit look like??? never heard of it.

Poopsicle
11-30-2008, 09:31 PM
I'd go with an Elantra SE (stick) with pkg. 4, spoiler, bluetooth and floormats. Only thing pkg. 7 adds is leather and I hate leather. Should be able to get it for $17,500. If not, you suck at the negotiating. :D

Although, keep in mind that Hyundai's still have horrible resale, so you could get a much better equipped Sonata if you're willing to look at 1 year old cars with less than 15K on them. I'm guessing there's gonna be a bunch (and Azeras) with the Genesis now being available. Lots of people are gonna upgrade.

'08 Azera, $17K: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2008-08-AZERA-LIMITED-ONLY-24K-FACT-W-Y-NAVI-SLVR-BLK_W0QQitemZ250331650328QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Trucks QQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=i tem250331650328&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1308

'08 Sonata SE, $13K: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2008-Hyundai-Sonata-SE_W0QQitemZ250306203649QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQ QddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=it em250306203649&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1318

'08 Azera, UNDER 500 miles, $14.5: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___LIMITED-FACTORY-WARRANTY-LUXURY-LIKE-NEW-NEW-SAVE-BIG_W0QQitemZ220320151871QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Trucks QQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=i tem220320151871&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1318

'09 Sonata Ltd., $17.5: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2009-Hyundai-Sonata-Limited-V6-No-Reserve-Demo_W0QQitemZ320321368959QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truck sQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash= item320321368959&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Seriously, my next car is going to brand new. I'm tired of not knowing the previous owner's relationship of the car. CarFax sucks because if the owner paid cash, it won't show up on the report. Newer used cars with low miles are most likely a demo car or a leased car. Those cars are beaten to hell and not cared for because the owner damn well knows he/she is going to give it back.

Matrixloader
12-01-2008, 12:00 AM
i pick sonata, it looks nice fixed up, very nice interior and more HP and has alot of potential.

i8acobra
12-01-2008, 02:42 AM
Newer used cars with low miles are most likely a demo car or a leased car. Those cars are beaten to hell and not cared for because the owner damn well knows he/she is going to give it back.

I used to work for a dealership. Lease cars are usually in much better shape. People have maintenance done at the dealership, don't get damage and keep their cars immaculate. They do this because they know they're gonna take a huge hit when they turn it in if we can find anything wrong with the car. Besides, my first recommendation was for a new car, not used.

Tommy
12-01-2008, 10:56 AM
I used to work for a dealership. Lease cars are usually in much better shape. People have maintenance done at the dealership, don't get damage and keep their cars immaculate. They do this because they know they're gonna take a huge hit when they turn it in if we can find anything wrong with the car. Besides, my first recommendation was for a new car, not used.



I made the recommendation for used. Buying new is just a waste of money.

I bought my elantra with 20k miles on it. Looked brand new, still smelled new, it just happened to be a year old.

I dont know why they traded it in, I dont care. i got it for 25% off new car price, and to me, thats worth it.

Qyn
12-01-2008, 11:26 AM
what does the ixion kit look like??? never heard of it.

My bad... INCUS kit.
http://i.paultan.org/INCUS_Avante_Sport_1.jpg
http://i.paultan.org/INCUS_Avante_Sport_2.jpg
http://i.paultan.org/INCUS_Avante_Sport_6.jpg

Maybe my next car if I can't fit in the Genesis coupe.

Munky
12-01-2008, 11:37 AM
http://www.crookedh.com/munky/bobaedream/sonata

Enough said. :cool:

Qyn
12-01-2008, 01:15 PM
http://www.crookedh.com/munky/bobaedream/sonata

Enough said. :cool:

That is true, but he's talking dollar for dollar comparison. Yes, the Sonata w/a kit is awesome, but it'd be more expensive to do than a Mid-range HD INCUS kit. You'd prolly end up at the same place as the cost of the new Sonata he was talking about.

only1db
12-01-2008, 01:21 PM
i still stick with the sonata...

and an 09 the 06-08 interior is just ewwy....